/sci/ - Science & Math

>>6912660

The thomist notion of God is not bound by physical laws since he exists outside of the universe and essentially created them.

>>6912663
so what about dark matter? does it fall into a black hole? and does it leave said black hole?
i mean it's nearly the same, except it's bound to gravity

>>6912668

>except it's bound to gravity

Then it's not the same. God isn't even bound by logic.

>>6912660
>People still having this philosophical ideology
I thought it died with the 900s. This is like Neitzsche all over again, but with more bullshit and less emo.

>>6912668
I'll take the bait:

We don't know, but it probably cannot interact with gravity or all of general relativity mould've been a major bullshit.

>>6912660
>God

What is this "God" you speak of? And what "Proof" do you have it exists?

>>6912720
gr8 b8 m8

>>6912725
>asking for proof of soothing
>bait

Pick one

>>6912725
>asking for proof that something exists
>bait

Pick one

>>6912720
i don't have any proof. in fact i am working here with an unproven theory... uh just like most of science does and i try to find a way to win wisdom through said theory... but that only works if someone who knows the theory better can answer what the outcome should be of said experiment

>>6912738
>I don't have any proof for my claim

Okay. Well come back when you have the proof. Until then no one has reason to believe you or read the rest of your shit.

>>6912747
in other words:
dark matter does not exist
dark energy does not exist
string theory is bullshit
and the list goes on...

right

Im starting to think someone wrote a bot that automatically generates garbage OPs and post them at regular intervals

>>6912748
>gives a list of scientific hypotheses

A scientific hypothesis isn't a claim to truth. And FYI: dark matter actually has proof, aka the neutrino. Please educate yourself, and feel free to come back when you have proof for your claim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis#Scientific_hypothesis

>>6912738
You are fucking retarded. Science don't work that way at all.

>>6912770
>dark matter actually has proof, aka the neutrino
now i know that you are trolling.

>>6912764
We all hope so. Sadly I think he is serious.

>>6912720
I'll bite:

What proof do you and other Dawkin tier atheists have against the notion of God in itself, and not some religion bullshit people like you 'disprove' through evolution, that may 'debunk' it?

>>6912764
>>6912782
it's your own fault /sci/entists. never will you see a thread in /sci/ that talks about real science. and if you see it you can follow it to page 10 and beyond with no replies.

but the bullshit and homework threads stay and get many posts

>>6912785
We don't have proof for the existence of the gfilghhjdk, so it don't exist in regard of logic.

Now, what are your proofs for your claims ?

>>6912791
None. I'm a strict agnostic masterrace. I don't spend my day shitposting on imageboards and forums about how much god doesn't exist and theists are just dumb fucks and should all be killed, unlike some Gnostic, Dawking tier atheist shitposters.

>>6912798
Nice b8 m8

>>6912779
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_dark_matter

Even if "dark matter" were just a hypothesis, so what? If there is no proof for "dark matter" (aka it is just a hypothesis), then I simply won't claim it exists. I'll wait for the proof (just like science). I don't have a problem with that. Thanks for the possible correction though.

The point of >>6912770 still stands.

>>6912785
>What proof do you and other Dawkin tier atheists have against the notion of God in itself

Nice straw man. Please show me where I said or implied this. Me asking for proof of your claim, is not the same thing as me saying your claim is automatically wrong.

>>6912798
Are you also "agnostic" about ghosts, demons, aliens, leprechauns, Santa Clause and the tooth fairy? No, you know they don't exist. The question of belief is a "yes or no" question, no third option. Stop being a hippocrite.

>>6912798
>implying anyone claimed gnostic atheism

[citation needed]

>>6912785
>Dawkin tier atheists
I seriously doubt the question means much to Dawkins
He has a job mocking other's traditions and culture in a snide self-important bitch-like way and his audience shares the bullshit feeling of superiority. It's the same feeling some religious sects promote and it is done t out of the same emotional need.
The Church of Dawkins is an embarrassment to other rationalists just like the judgmental Baptists are an embarrassment to other Christians.

>>6912831
The problem with the world is that smart people are full of doubt and stupid people have absolute certainty

>>6912838
Questioning established facts is an indicator of low intelligence.

>>6912831
I sometimes suspect that people adopt this simple minded materialistic mindset because the possibility of an incredibly complex universe is so terrifying.

>>6912841
Dismissing obvious nonsense is a natural reaction for anyone with a functioning brain.

>>6912839
Sorry, there are no established facts. I have reason to believe that 2+2=4 and I strongly suspect the sun will rise tomorrow but the moment you assume immutable certainty you have completely lost the ability to learn or discover anything new.

reminder that black holes cannot exist because of the information paradox and are therefore just a mathematical construction

>>6912660
>"god"

What is "god" you speak of? What is your proof that it exists?

>>6912844
Look, in our minds we have models. approximations of how the world works. My cat has a map of the apartment in his head and a physicist has a model of space-time. Some models are more accurate than others but none of them is ever perfect .
We assume we understand most things because our models are close enough to be useful. I bet early man made the same assumption. Can't blame them. It's the only way to sleep at night.

>>6912846
Never go full retard.

>>6912857
What does this have to do with my post? Dismissing obvious nonsense is the only logical choice.

>>6912846
My autism force me to point out axioms

>>6912660
>Did UYTGOYUIYG fall into a black hole

I don't know what this "god" thing is OP. Is it a sci-fi thing? Harry Potter? Please provide a definition. Also, if we aren't taking about hypotheticals, please provide the proof it exists.

>>6912660
Why is god drawn as a Caucasian man when the human race is million of years old with different variants?

>>6912871
>with different variants

There are no different varients. All humans are equal. We are all the same species.

>>6912872
i don't think you understood what >>6912871
is saying. try again.

>>6912660
>god

>>6912877
He's posting some racist >>>/pol/ shit. I have no reason to read this garbage again.

It's funny how you're all shitting on the sky wizard while accepting the black hole. Black holes are just as questionable. Their is no evidence of their existence at all.

>>6912831
No. I do not believe in souls because there's not reason for them to exist, but I still am ready to believe in them provided there's a proof. I am 'agnostic' (indifferent) about extraterrestrial life because why not. Not believing in aliens is essentially a theistic feature because most theists (Religious people, at the very least) believe that we're some special life form and there's no room for other life forms. I do not believe in ghosts, demons, lprechauns, Santa Clause and tooth fairies because, again, there's absolutely no reason, let it be physical or philosophical, for their existence and the reasoning in itself is flawed. Just like I don't believe in the Trinity, Allah, Zeus and other Greek gods. The arguments behind them are flawed and their existence serves no purpose.

Whereas with god, there's a logical reasoning for and against him. Whether it's for explaining the existence of the Universe (inb4 big bang, intelligent design and other models. Those merely explain how it came into being and shit. They don't explain where they came from) or whether it's another philosophical reasoning that defines God as the beginning or the creator. Hell, if the big bang was the beginning of everything, then that's technically God. Arguments like these also leave place for multiple Gods, but tend to only focus on one, divine God. Arguments against it are the ones that state that God doesn't exist because there's no proof for his existence (Gonna assume it's >>6912823), which is philosophically correct. There are other various arguments that are all pretty rational, but still don't get close to one side or the other.

Also, being agnostic doesn't mean you can't pick sides. You can be an agnostic theists, that is you are indifferent but lean towards the belief that god exists. You can also be an agnostic atheists, that is you are indifferent but lean towards the belief that god doesn't exist.

>>6912905
I don't really care about your belief so long as you don't shitpost it everywhere and force it on other people. But, I have a bit more respect for agnostic people than I have for gnostic people.

>>6912905
I'm pretty surprised that ones puts a well-thought out arguments for why the magic sky wizard isn't real.

>>6912905
>there's a logical reasoning for and against him

There is only logical reasoning against him. Every "reasoning" for him is fallacious baseless belief and the opposite or even outright denial of logic. You are not agnostic. Either you're smart and accept his non-existence or you're dumb and believe in fairy tales.

>>6912905
>Not believing in aliens is essentially a theistic feature

No, you idiot. Rationality is an atheist feature. It is rational to dismiss bullshit without evidence.

>>6912905
So much philosophic bullshit. This is /sci/, so when u redefine something (ie : god), you must have some proof to do it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

>>6912846
>Wat are axioms
We could've used 5 to describe 2. It's just a way of communicating thought that we've come to. 2+2=4 pretty much means that a pack of two 'things' brought together to a pack of two 'things' will give you a total of 'four' things. Call it whatever you want, but this 'thing' (Implying it's fundamental) will still be only 'one' thing.

>>6912855
Read: >>6912835
Plz stop shitposting.

>>6912863
What's this 'nonsense' you're speaking of?

>>6912869
He's just repeating Neitzsche but explaining the 'death of god' by him being sucked into a black hole. He's just adding more bullshit to an ego-centric philosophical ideology created by a permavirgin emo that spent the last years of his life in a psych while his sister changed his work so it becomes pro-Nazi.

>>6912871
Because those are some bullshit the Greeks and Christians said about their god(s).

>>6912912
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8

>>6912905
>Whether it's for explaining the existence of the Universe

God does not explain the existence of the universe. "A wizard did magic" is not an explanation. On the contrary it's an expression of ignorance. It does not propose a mechanism or anything we can understand, but tells us "you do not understand the origin of the universe and you should never try to understand it".

>>6912930
This

>>6912929
Name one argument in favor of your sky daddy. Protip: "Muh fiction book says so" is not an argument or else you'd have to believe in hobbits as well.

>>6912924
>not reading the post
Go on, dismiss extraterrestrial life using scientific methods and not some bullshit. I'd really like to see you do that.

>>6912927
b8

>>6912930
I said that God is pretty much the 'beginning'. I didn't define him as a person or any other bullshit. I even stated that the big bang, technically, could be god (Implying it's the absolute beginning).

You're just making up bullshit based on the arguments you see between gnostic atheists and agnostic atheists.

I have also clearly stated that I am a strict agnostic. I didn't state that I was an (agnostic) atheist nor a (agnostic) theist.

>>6912933
>that pic related
Has there been some increase in the number of euphoric gamma autists in /sci/ recently or something?

>>6912938
between gnostic atheists and gnostic theists*

>>6912929
>asking for a definition is shit posting

>asking for a proof of a claim is shit posting

Nothing you say makes sense. Just because you call something a "god" (whatever that is), doesn't mean I can't ask you about it or demand proof of your claims about it. Nice special pleading fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading

>>6912938
>b8

You said that if there is no god, the big bang itself is god. The same way, clouds are zeus

>>6912948
b8, again.

Also, what's the reasoning behind clouds being Zeus.

>>6912951
Grecs said that zeus make thunder. Cloud make thunder. Therefore coulds are zeus. Exactly your own retarded comment about god, applied to zeus here .

>>6912938
>I said that God is pretty much the 'beginning'.

If "god" is just a word for "beginning"? Why not just say beginning? If I tell you "ice cream" is just another name for "sweets", I haven't defined sweets.

So, is OP post about the "beginning" falling a in black hole? WUT? That doesn't make any sense.

>>6912938
>Go on, dismiss extraterrestrial life using scientific methods and not some bullshit
I don't need scientific method to dismiss bullshit which has no evidence. Ghosts and leprechauns don't need to be disproved in the lab, because it's obvious they aren't real. Scientific method doesn't give a shit about unobservable garbage claims.

>I said that God is pretty much the 'beginning' I didn't define him as a person or any other bullshit. I even stated that the big bang, technically, could be god
If I define to call my feces "chocolate", do I suddenly have food? You're retarded and you're shifting the goalposts because you're grasping at straws. When talking about "god", you are talking about a concept with various cultural and historical defining connotations. You want to talk about the big bang? THen talk about the big bang. But that's not "god" and will never be "god" because "god" is a fictional omnipotent entity. You're not in a position to redefine words and then to expect others to play along with your private autism language. Adjust your fedora, moron. It must of cut off the blood supply to your brain.

>I have also clearly stated that I am a strict agnostic
And I explained why there is no such thing as "agnostic". Either you belive or you don't.

>>6912660
prepare to have your minds blown faggots

a black hole is a singularity, time, light, information, and matter in all forms are trapped in it, once the universe is consumed into the singularity we will all be at one and at peace with the universe

all will make sense as we bask in the presence of divine enlightenment

All black holes are connected into the same omnipresent singularity, the farther you move away from a black hole the farther your atoms separate from themselves until your atoms split and your information is lost and you enter the void, condemned to relive life over ad over until your consciousness can be at one with the universe, and all information and knowledge from every life in every world will be in your memory, you will feel every persons pain & every persons joy that has ever excised and you will be part of god

They say personality and the choices you make is made by your past experiences, by experiencing everything you join the singularity of all information and become God, God is everyone's consciousness in the form of one entity

eventually all matter will be at one with the universe, because the universe is not flat, and if you move far enough away from the singularity eventuality you will be moving towards it

the universe is all matter in the same space, the universe is expanding, but eventually it will be one again, and then we will experience the big bang,

all information will be lost and we will start over

>>6912989
>God is everyone's consciousness in the form of one entity

Okay. Do you have proof that this "god" amalgamation thingy exists?

>>6912938
>I am a strict agnostic
>god is the beginning

You are directly contradicting yourself Anon. You do not claim to "know" about deities (agnostic), but then you claim to "know" about deities (not agnostic).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

Do you even know what you believe? It doesn't seem like you do. It seems like you're just making up bullshit as you go. Trolling?

>>6912989
0/10

Troll or retarded

>>6912989
>All black holes are connected into the same omnipresent singularity

[citation needed]

>the farther you move away from a black hole the farther your atoms separate from themselves

You're straight up retarded or trolling.

>>6912660
>god

What is that?

>>6912989
Before you guys berate this man for being >>>x just remember: It's people like him who will be amongst the first willing participants to fly into aforementioned black hole and give us that opportunity as /sci/entists to study what happens.

>>6913084
If he jumps into a black hole, we're never gonna receive the information he sends.

They have determined the OBSERVABLE universe is flat tucker. They used science and fucking mathematics. A triangle angles add up to 180degrees. If you put the triangle on a sphere it'll be more than 180 degrees. Scientist have determined from the big bangs radiation left over that the angles in the triangles they see are exactly 180 degrees. Bam, universe is flat.

>>6913088
Doesn't stop us from measuring the psychological impact he has on the remaining population in the form of epic lulz

>>6913088
Unless he uses quantum communications reminiscent of mass effect.

>>6913091
If triangles are flat then why can quantum particles accidentally happen at the corners? hmm?

>>6913091
Do you know what you're saying?

>>6913109
Do you know what he is saying?
See my post here:
>>6913106
I think it's pretty clear that "light" is just a pinch in space (or a bulge if you're anti-matter, or a bulge if you're looking at the other part of the light wave, you know the bit we draw on graphs as going below the Y axis, the negative bit).

Wow, I have never seen so much fedora tipping in one thread before!
Enjoy your "not religion", atheistlets.

>>6913116
Woops I said "pinch" I should have said "Bulge."
Just multiply everything I said by -1.
fix'd

>>6913106
What are you trying to say?

>>6913123
Leave 'em, m8. I'd rather have them shitpost in a containment post about how much Dawkin is such a god and how much theists are retarded over them leaking into the rest of /sci/.

What I don't understand is where all of these euphoric, beta fedora tippers came from. Is this some joke from /r/atheism or something?

>>6913128
The mass of these particles will bend the space at these corners and reduce or increase the angle at these corners.