/sci/ - Science & Math

Major in communications then kill yourself

>>6893513
pls no bully

>>6893509
don't do it just be an engineer or something and dream about this for the rest of your life
i did a shitton of programming and worked with networks all my life, trust me don't do it

>“Stay a dreamer, and you'll never have your dream; get down in the nitty-gritty, and when you get your dream you see what horseshit it was in the first place.”

>>6893523
What if I'd rather be an unsuccessful failure that followed my dream instead of being successful but empty on the inside?

>>6886090

>>6893538
oh no, i never meant you won't be successful or happy, just that it won't turn out the way you expect
and regardless, you will invariably wake up one day feeling empty on the inside

>>6893542
not OP, but what does AI have to do with transhumanism?

Did you even watch Ghost in the Shell? In the anime the shadow government can literally hack into any brain it chooses with little to no oversight. Much the same way goverments can hack into or spy on any computer today it chooses today with no oversight. And you want to put connect an easy to hack computer directly to a persons brain so your very brain can be spied and hacked by the government, much like in GITS. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see this kind of stuff exist. But I don't think humanity is ready for it.

>>6893553
If you can create a true AI, you've probably made an artificial brain to house that artificial intelligence.

Did you even watch Ghost in the Shell? In the anime the shadow government can literally hack into any brain it chooses with little to no oversight. Much the same way that right now goverments can hack into or spy on any computer it chooses with no oversight. And you want to put a easy to hack computer directly to a persons brain so your very brain can be spied and hacked by the government, much like in GITS. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see this kind of stuff exist. But I don't think humanity is ready for it.

Sounds like you're passionate about this subject. I would recommend looking into nanotechnology and quantum mechanics/physics. see what you can learn online and find out what classes in college will eventually lead up to these fields. there many branches you can choose once you have the basics down. It will take time but if this is really your calling then you'll find a way to pursue this.

>>6893571
I do hope I didn't give off the impression that I want to be just like muh animu right down to every basic detail..
I find the basic ideology of mixing brain and machine for the sake of improving the brain to be the interesting thing and simply used those mentioned in the OP as examples. I'm well aware that making a real life neuromancer would be an absolute nightmare.

>>6893588
I think the power of the cyberbrain would be incredible, but it would have to be disconnected from everything(like it already is). The only problem would be possible back doors put in by manufacturers

>>6893597
Or secret government mandated backdoor

muh terrorists

Molecular biology might be a possible route to take. There's still a fair amount we don't understand about how our own systems work on such a low level, and how we could mimic and improve them.

>>6893592
I'm very passionate about it. But the entire reason for me making this thread was to find out what exactly those fields required are. I've always thought they would be neurology and cybernetics, but chances are I'll need much more than that. I made this thread in order ask /sci/ what fields I'll need under my belt.

>>6893592
>>6893604
>nanotechnology
>quantum mechanics/physics
>Molecular biology

So is this the pop-sci general or what?

Here's an answer, OP: study creative writing so that you can write the next big cyberpunk novel. That's the closest you're going to get in your lifetime to any of the things you're talking about.

Scroll towards the bottom of the page, OP. You'll find a list of all the disciplines in the field.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurocybernetics

>>6893609
Thanks for the answer, friend. Now kindly fuck off.

Obviously these fields are going to take hundreds of years to develop and master, but I want to get started on them. I have no interest in making novels or whatever your arrogant ass thinks I'm interested in.

>>6893588
And the if an individual or government wanted you dead then they could shoot you, and that can and does happen, but that doesn't mean humans shouldn't have developed the technology leading up to guns.

It would just be another method of harming people, as is the case of every new power humanity attains. The possibility of misuse comes with the territory.

Plus the ability to access any information you have ever accessed in your life at any moment via an memory bank external to your basic brains functions that can be accessed via thought in the same way you move your arms and displayed on optical implants would be amazing. Every technical field would benefit from that and it would be the first significant increase in the human abilities since homo sapiens first evolved. We would be able to create better augmentations more quickly, which would allow us to create better augmentations more quickly, which would allow us to create better augmentations more quickly... it's basically a form of the technological singularity. We can't pass that up.

>>6893600
If it's to fight terrorism then it is more a philosophical infringement on individual rights than an actual one. I'd be more worried about less liberal nations using the technology to simply delete dissident thoughts from the population.

But obviously the ability to change thoughts is a long way down the road and there are a lot of benefits from the stuff in between now and then. Cybernetic external networking wold be great, but augmentations that only amount to "autistic mode" (without networking) would be great too.

>>6893609
>pop-sci

Why do people throw that term at goddamn everything?

You're talking years of research regardless. what you mention is technology not yet discovered, yet many theories could probe that this type of stuff will be a reality however. I personally agree that this type of technology will reach our hands in the near future. This stuff if finally becoming somewhat mainstream compared to the last 100 years. however, you need to do a lot of research on your own because its very broad what you're looking at. Now, there is talk about this new scanner (can't remember the name tbh) that mapped out every single nerve in the human brain. this means we can closely observe it as we execute different functions and emotions. (this alone will take years) This is a very good find for what you're looking to get into anon. On top of that you'd need to be efficient with high mathematics and know bio molecular nanotechnology (which itself takes years as well). The good news is that less people will think you're crazy if you tell them about your dream than people would 30-50 years ago. This ties with the fact that there's modern day scientists and physicists in these research fields who talk passionately about this stuff as well. Just remember almost every genius in this world was ridiculed at one point in their life.. very harshly so if they were thinking far ahead of what is considered to be within the status quo.

prove*

>>6893646
This thread is literally pop-sci

>>6893509
Neuroscience and computer science

/thread

>>6893652

>>6893649
I know it will take years of research. Maybe my entire lifetime and then some.
What I'm curious is to what I should be researching so I can get on the right track and maybe give an easier time to those with similar interest when I'm gone.
I have no interest in fame or any shallow shit like that.

>I'd be more worried about less liberal nations using the technology to simply delete dissident thoughts from the population.

There is a physical fire wall separating the brain from computers making it difficult for this to happen. But every fire wall can be bypassed with enough effort and that doesn't mean this type of brain hacking doesn't happen today. It's called propaganda. Hitler literally wrote the book on it and it's how he was able to turn an entire country into genocidal maniacs. It's still happening today and I'm afraid you're a victim of it.
>If it's to fight terrorism then it is more a philosophical infringement on individual rights than an actual one
Founding fathers would be spinning in their graves if they heard this. You literally just said government hacking into your brain is not an actual infringement of your rights. You, YOU are why we can't have nice things

>>6893652
>people are talking about idea and tech that doesn't exist yet
>ergo it must be daydreams born of comic books and movies

you are literally the cancer of /sci/

I admire your mindset and recommend you dive into high mathematics (calculus/ calc-based physics/ multivariable/ etc) as well as chemistry biodchemistry. That would be a start. Maybe start playing around with technology as a pass time. Build your own pc, write your own code for an iphone app, break stuff up and put it back together, you'll always be learning something i guarantee it. Of course programming is also a necessity i forgot to mention that. Java is very good or C++.
Do this in your free time, make it a habit. As the years pass you'll only get closer and closer. Not to mention these skill sets alone will grant you many advantageous opportunities in life...

>>6893663
No it's literally daydream born of anime and movies. Read the fucking OP.

>>6893668
Everything is mentioned in fiction before it actually is attained.

>>6893668
OP said he was inspired by books(namely Gibson) and anime.
being inspired by something isn't a sin you fucking retard. and it certainly isn't pseudo-science just because it doesn't exist yet

>>6893646
/sci/ is mortally allergic to pop science
and use the term the way pol uses degeneracy

>>6893658
>le ebin nic cage maymay
>"memes and funny images" watermark
ok...

>>6893674
Whatever helps you rationalize your unhealthy obsession with fantasy.

>>6893675
This thread is pop-sci you retard.

Talking about possible implementations of the technology and sharing scientific papers about the subject is acceptable for /sci/.

Jerking off over "muh anime" and pseudo-theorizing about the philosophical implications of something that is still highly speculative is pop-sci and should be kept in /x/.

>>6893674
"Everything" includes shit that never made sense in the first place. If you guess every answer you'll be right eventually.

>>6893509
>reading Gibson
Why wouldn't you just hack the Gibson?

>>6893675
I never said it was a "sin" you illiterate piece of shit. Pop-sci is being dazzled by fiction without an understanding of the reality. One decision to pursue some scientific career should be inspired by understanding and ability as much as "this would be so cool".

>>6893709
>Whatever helps you rationalize your unhealthy obsession with fantasy.
I just got here and was pointing out the logical flaw in your argument. Is that how you usually respond to being corrected?

>>6893734
Well that's not the same person you originally replied to, and simply pointing out that fiction contains mentions everything does nothing to respond to my post.

>>6893730
Because Gibson is a hack

>>6893709
Holy shit it really is /pol/

>>6893725
But that doesn't matter. I was just pointing out that the if nothing that has ever been discussed in fiction and has yet seen application is relevant to a discussion then one can't discuss anything that has never seen application. That would mean no discussion of fusion technology or thorium reactors or pretty much everything else.

>>6893709
>Jerking off over "muh anime"

Did you read a single thing in the thread or did you just see "Ghost in the Shell" in the OP and proceed to go full shitposting-mode from there?

>>6893755
You need to read the other posts in the discussion if you think that has anything to do with what we're talking about.

holy fuck
>>6893694
was right on the mark

>>6893758
he lurks for days waiting for someone he perceives is from outside the board and/or indulges in anime so he can scare them away and show everyone what not a beta he is and how he protects the sanctity and virginity of this board from the newfag hordes
good job by the way anon you really let yourself go this time
it's probably compensation for some sort of inadequacy irl, i dunno we try to ignore him

>>6893750
Maybe they are getting tired of their echo chamber and are spreading to other boards. moot may have to remove /pol/ for a few months just to corral them again once its added back lest we be overrun with people who can't help but angrily confront everyone who isn't their carbon copy.

>>6893734
You seriously consider saying something as asinine as
>Everything is mentioned in fiction before it actually is attained.

To be "pointing out the logical flaw in your argument"?

Get fucked kid.

>>6893758
Hence the rest of the sentence
>pseudo-theorizing about the philosophical implications of something that is still highly speculative is pop-sci and should be kept in /x/.

>>6893778
>i dunno we try to ignore him
>point him out to everyone and say 'lets all laugh at him"

Amazing how 1 troll can so effectively derail a thread. Kinda like how 1 troll can effectively derail congress or any other body of government/business. More experimentation is necessary to fully understand this phenomenon.

>>6893788
>People are making fun of me for my childish fantasies!
>They must be from /pol/!

>>6893778
You're an idiot. Read the OP's post repeatedly until you understand this. How can OP decide that he wants to devote his life to cybernetics when he has no understanding of what cybernetics even is beyond what he gleaned from anime and movies? The simple fact that OP is asking what fields cybernetics is involved in tells me that OP doesn't have an inkling what cybernetics even means. He is not interested in cybernetics, he is interested in the animes and movies he watched. This is the essence of pop-sci. It is "I love X" without understanding anything about X. OP should do some research and then see what he's actually interested in. That is the only thing I'm saying. I'm not keeping anyone from discussing anything you retards.

>>6893790
I'm more amazed that he's still going this late into the thread.
>>6893789
>>6893792

You'd think he'd take the hint by now.

>>6893790
>implying there's no underlying sarcasm
>implying this thread was still on the rails
glad i could help with the cause

>>6893799
Yeah, why don't they let us discuss our fantasy sci-fi totalitarian gubment conspiracy brain-hacking in peace? I fucking love science!!

>>6893802
>implying this thread was still on the rails

where we're going, we don't need rails

>>6893797
OP here. Holy fucking god you are a retard. I suggest you read the post you seem to be such an expert and proceed to reread it until you realize how much of a fucking moron you're coming across as right now.

At nowhere in my post did I say I want to build gundams and replace my cock with a laser rifle. I said I was -inspired-(read that over and over) by works of fiction I read and watched all the way from early childhood and wanted to devote my life to the blueprints of those fields, no matter how primitive they may be compared to the works of fiction I mentioned.

I know it's a troll and all, but goddamn I can't help be mad at such a smug shithead.

>>6893797
yes, well we tried telling him that and gave him a choice within 5 posts
he chooses to pursue a career and make some choices based on his dreams and while that is naive, it is also noble
your problem isn't with him it's with this boogeyman-like entity you call popsci, which you swear is the cancer of this board
>>6893694 this is where it's at

>>6893806
>Yeah, why don't they let us discuss our fantasy sci-fi totalitarian gubment conspiracy brain-hacking in peace? I fucking love science!!

did the troll just imply the government is intentionally trolling this thread? if the troll is the one who's saying this....is this an admission that he's really working with the government? wow ...... he's really taking this to the next level now. His troll powers are multiplying.

>>6893509

i would tell you to do neuroscience (medical field, or biologist fiel), but i think it's the hardest way, and even being neuroscientist will not make you automatically work for the thing you want.

i think the better way is to go by the physic way (think it'll gonna be easier, since theire would be less concurence then the greedy medical field).

For physics, aim to bio-physics it would be a great way, also nanophysics could be a path (since it would be devices nanosensitives)

>>6893811
He may be a dick, but he's completely right.
>Naturally I want this to be my life's calling and career
when you don't even know which fields of science they fall under, just fucking stupid as all hell.

You're in love with fictional sci-fi concepts, not the field of cybernetics, the sooner you realize this the better. Because right now, you're literally on the same level as some dumbass stoner who gets high and looks up at the stars and decides he wants to become an astrophysicist.

And your plan of specializing in a field and then expanding your work to contribute to neurocybernetics or what the fuck ever is just so ridiculously unrealistic it's not worthy of a serious response, if you do go into science you're gonna end up working for years in a lab on some extremely specific problem that marginally relates to one aspect of your interests at best, you are never going to be anything close to the super cool scifi cyborg making computer wizard you want to be.

Sorry to be a dick about it, but it's the truth.

>>6893821
Goddamn son, did Motoko bugger your little sister or something?

>>6893854
>He may be a dick

If you're going to samefag, at least have the balls to admission.

>>6893694
I remember when pic related was /sci/.

But eventually /sci/ was overcome with freshmen STEM majors who only want a STEM degree as means of claiming they are smarter than everyone else. Such people take every chance they get to elevate themselves above others and on /sci/ that takes the form of hard science chauvinism. Hard science is great, but /sci/ can't maintain a decent post frequency when sticking to hard science. Eventually the number of more speculative threads diminished and with them went most of /sci/'s posters. The aforementioned undergrads eventually left as well because they have no real passion for science and stop valuing /sci/ as soon as their knowledge of their respective field exceeds what usually shows up in /sci/, but every year brings new undergrads. Now /sci/ is almost completely devoid of oldfags, the only people who actually care about the health of /sci/.

>>6893933
Nice try retard. I've been on /sci/ a long ass time and it was never like that. But you know what? We have archive!

https://archive.moe/sci/search/type/op/start/2010-01-01/end/2011-02-01/

It's the same as it has ever been.

This is my rec, op: you want to get an MD with a focus in neurology alongside at least some study in engineering - look specifically for universities with strong research assets and programs that prov cross training between medical and engineering. UWa and MIT have a partnership - or had, dunno current status - that was pursuing cybernetics, mostly relating to assistive technologies.

Research current medical tech developments and note down the schools involves as well as the main researchers. One area you will find research actively pursued is seizure remediation and other neurological disorders - implant technology is in active development and testing.

You need to actively pursue cross-specialisation. Even in lower level or unrelated classes, pay A LOT of attention, and conceptualise ways everything you learn may aid you in your endeavour - the better you are at applying ideas from disparate disciplines, the better your resources for something as extremely complex as what you're discussing.

Especially track "unrelated" assistive technologies such as developments in limb replacement, labrotory organ growth, etc - you want to keep abreast of frontier medical developments.

Learning programming would probably be helpful but it probably shouldn't be your focus if you want to get anywhere near wet ware development. You can get quite far without it being your focus - my uncle dual majored maths and medicine and self taught programming on the job after by essentially looking at tasks and going "and now we are going to apply programming to this" to a rather frightening amount of success.

You won't really get far, I don't think, without neurological expertise. Getting in to a dual engineering and medical program would be ideal though. You likely will also have to pursue animal studies - we're a lot further along in, say, technology we're willing to shove into a monkey brain than we arm with humans.

sorry for gross typos in last post, mobile is not my friend today.

>>6893960
Why are you arguing against someone who supports such threads if you yourself value them? If you don't value them then you likely weren't aware of how frequent they were because you didn't post in them.

>there are people on this very board who think science and creativity aren't mutually exclusive

why the fuck would you get into a STEM field in the first place if you want nothing to do with creativity?

>>6894045
I think you may have mistyped something. Your greentext and non-greentext seem to be communicating two different things.

>>6894045
Nobody ever said this.

>>6894047
the entire thread is filled with people calling OP and people who think similar things may be possible in the future are faggots with pipedreams

Go into neuroscience you big dummy. Maybe some courses in the physics of electromagnetics

Well physics does the trick. I'm studing physics in my 3rd year and specialize in complex and neural network dynamics. Which is the main point you got to understand if you want to stick electrodes into a brain and augment it with computers.

>>6894053
You may need some sleep because not only was (presumably) your original post contradictory and your new post seems unrelated as it has nothing to do with creativity in science.

>>6894082
Read the thread.
>your

Am I OP now because I disagree with you?
>>6893694
is right on all levels.

>>6893789
>Get fucked kid

Ahaha, oh wow

>>6894053
It's not about thinking whether things will be possible in the future, it's about thinking that you, personally, as an individual are interested in doing hard scientific bitch work for your entire career to contribute a tiny amount of progress to a field simply because you're interested in fictional stories about the technology.

>>6894101
>you, personally, as an individual

Lemme guess, everybody who isn't you is OP?

>>6894105
"you, personally, as an individual" wasn't directed just at the poster I was replying to but to everyone in the thread with the same question

>>6894082
Not THE original post, YOUR original post (>>6894045).

>>6893509
OP I love people like you
we need more dreamers, especially in this day and age.

stick to it,

In terms of field, you'd want some sort of combination of
>computer science
>biology.
>neuroscience.
>medical engineering
as far as i could imagine.

for you, maybe get into neuroscience / medical engineering?

to be honest, im not entirely sure. I'm in mechatronics.

>>6893509
>I have been fascinated with the concept and idea of neurocybernetics

You're shit out of luck because neuroimplant development is a multidisciplinary field that have no simple path into it.

Your best bet is probably cognitive modelling which would allow you to create models of how interfaces affect real brains and thus be able to design interfaces.

Not OP.
I feel like if you basically just put any computational tech into a brain, especially a young one, the brain will learn how to use it. Would need proper electrodes n stuff tho

Who wants to be my first candidate?

>>6894255
While it is true younger brains are more adaptive what is lacking is the physical brain to machine interface. You can't solder electronics to a brain.

>>6894275
They did it with flies.

http://www.nld.ds.mpg.de/research/groups/theoretical-neurophysics

PhD. John Hopkins best uni for.

>>6893509
OP I'm in your same shoes and about to graduate as undergrad in microbiology. I switched from biomedical engineering because it was too hard, but that's probably what you'd want to get into. I doubt I will get to make anything like ghost in the shell or the matrix a reality, more likely I will be lucky if I can get a decent job making botox for rich housewives to inject into their wrinkly bougie fucking faces.

The research system is fucked up, and there aren't as many jobs out there doing this stuff as you would hope. We're just not quite there yet. But who knows, if you start now maybe in 20 years you'll get lucky and be in a position where you can do meaningful research/experimentation.

>>6894292
>I doubt I will get to make anything like ghost in the shell or the matrix

Why would anybody want to create the matrix?!

I can respect being inspired by something, but how uncreative do you need to use a dystopian fiction as a template for your worldly aspirations. If you're going to dedicate your life to something at last put some fucking effort and creativity into it and brainstorm something that will help humanity.

>>6894292
>OP I'm in your same shoes and about to graduate as undergrad in microbiology.
Once you graduate, you'll spend 6 months trying to find a job in microbe fields and then the reality will hit you and you'll start applying for Subway & MickeyDees. Good luck.

>>6893509
I didn't watch Ghost in the Shell and I'm not quite sure I get you perfectly with all the recommendations given to you. But, Neuroscience and Computer Science will get you the furthest. You won't be able to achieve it, but you'll be able to advance in the field, especially Neuroscience.

For CS, get into Machine Learning, Data Mining, Cognitive Science, Knowledge Representation and Networking. Those will get you the furthest in enhancing the 'function' and 'power' of the brain through the use of computers and machines, which is what I imagine you want.

As for Neuroscience, get into Cellular Neuroscience, Computational Neuroscience, Molecular Neuroscience, Neuroengineering, Neuroinformatics and Systems Neuroscience. Those are the absolute necessary fields to get into if you wanna do shit with what you learn in CS. These are what you need to do most research into, as they're pretty immature fields. If any advancement will be made by you, it's in these fields. So, if you're thinking about going this road, do these first and give them the priority. As for CS, find a partner or something when you're far into these fields that people call you "master".