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6840915 No.6840915 [Reply] [Original]

Over 2,100 years ago, greeks made this device without CAD, without computers, without paper, without mechanical pencils, without a calculator!


Yet it can predict eclipses, moon phases, motions of some of the planets, motion though zodiac etc.

What the fuck have you done lately!? What's your excuse for not doing something great and amazing???

>> No.6840922

>>6840915

>What's your excuse for not doing something great and amazing???

I'm a lazy, useless piece of shit.

>> No.6840929 [DELETED] 

A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!”

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the United States stood up and held up a rock.

”How old is this rock, pinhead?”

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian”

”Wrong. It’s been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be an animal now”
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Origin of the Species. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears. The same tears liberals cry for the “poor” (who today live in such luxury that most own refrigerators) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the deserving job creators. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, DeShawn Washington, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist liberal professor. He wished so much that he had a gun to shoot himself from embarrassment, but he himself had petitioned against them!
The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named “Small Government” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.

>> No.6840935

>>6840915
You are aware, I'm sure, that the majority of Greeks, like us, did nothing of any account whatsoever, only the most talented did anything that we have knowledge of today, the great philosophers and what have you. You basically what you're asking is, why aren't you among the most talented people western civilisation has ever produced?

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>>6840922
>I'm a lazy, useless piece of shit.

Are you me?

>>6840935
>lag blah excuses excuses excuses

>> No.6840940

I am working on writing up my research on the nature of a possible non-abelian state of matter. That is what I have done lately.

>> No.6840942

>>6840915
I made a program that does the same and more in like half an hour

Check mate greeks

>> No.6840943

>>6840942
>I made a program that does the same and more in like half an hour

Odds @ 100 to 1 that you're full of shit.

>> No.6840947

>>6840943
Odds @ <span class="math">\infty[/spoiler] to 1 I fucked ur mom

>> No.6840948

>>6840943
Yea I lied
>took me 45 minutes instead
>:^)

>> No.6840953

>>6840943
I'd give it 5-1. Such a program really isn't that hard; all the Antikythera device does is multiplication and division. Given the fact that Google exists to look all the relevant numbers up, you totally could write a program to do all that shit and more in about half an hour.

>> No.6840958

>>6840953
>I'd give it 5-1. Such a program really isn't that hard; all the Antikythera device does is multiplication and division. Given the fact that Google exists to look all the relevant numbers up, you totally could write a program to do all that shit and more in about half an hour.

Lets see you do it. I'll give you $20 through Paypal if you can reproduce Antikythera device in software an hour from now (that's double your time). It's 4:04PM EST so lets see if you can produce it by 5:04PM EST.

>> No.6840960

>>6840958
Got it.

>> No.6840962

>>6840960
Does it have to work off the Greek calendar, or should it instead do equivalent things with the calendar we use today?

>> No.6840963

They must have had a lot of time on their hands. They'd conquered food and water, didn't have to go out hunting or farming all day (not everyone atleast), no internet to waste your time on, better invent a computer

>> No.6840964

>>6840915

here's an amazing docu on Antikythera. it will blow your mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_SYdqPB40Q

>> No.6840967

>>6840962
Do it with a modern calendar.

>> No.6841009

>>6840943
It would take about 5 seconds of googling and about 20 minutes of coding to make a program that can spit out eclipses and moon phases for the next 10,000 years.

>> No.6841013

>>6840915

I think you're vastly overestimating the knowledge and skill required to build that thing.

>> No.6841015

>>6841009
I'm still at the 30-minute mark on Googling. Admittedly, 15 were spent finding out what all the words meant.

Ecliptic longitude of the Moon is pretty complicated.

>> No.6841044

>>6840958
Sorry, man. I had to take a call and I just realized I don't actually know how to get user input in Python. (I started learning it literally last night.)

I'm going to have to concede.

Still, I stand by my statement that this would take perhaps 30 minutes to program - for someone who was familiar with programming and didn't have to look everything up, and who was at least passingly familiar with astronomy. It was having to look up and understand what all the terms involved meant that killed me.

I'm still going to do this and post it, because it's a neat project.

>> No.6841050

The modern way of checking on stars is reality tv.

>> No.6841051

>>6841044
Aaand I just noticed that the Antikythera Mechanism Wikipedia page has a literal table of all the functions used by the Antikythera mechanism.

>> No.6841069

>>6840915
Thats great OP

But think of how many people they whipped for getting x cog wrong for the 8th time.

>> No.6841072

>>6841013
>I think you're vastly overestimating the knowledge and skill required to build that thing.

implying you could do it today.

>> No.6841076

>>6840953
>>6840953
>>6840953


So, it's 5:09PM EST. Where's the app?

>> No.6841078

>>6841069
>But think of how many people they whipped for getting x cog wrong for the 8th time.

Who gives the fuck about that? THey got the results done.

Also, Greeks didn't whip people into submission. You're thinking of Egyptian slaves.

>> No.6841081

>>6841072

Yes I could, and so could you. It's just a bunch of gears. It is remarkable because there is nothing else known that is like it from that time, not because it would have been a big stretch for their technical abilities.

>> No.6841082

>>6841078
>greeks didnt have slaves

>> No.6841100

>>6841044
>taking a coding challenge
>doesn't know how to get user input on python

Valiant effort though.

In practical terms the things is excessively easy to code just a starting point of known values, target point from user and a bunch of functions

All the trouble is in researching the starting point and the functions coding itself might take like 5 minutes tops if you knew everything from the start.

>> No.6841102

>>6841076
see
>>6841044

>> No.6841104

>>6841044
>Python. (I started learning it literally last night.)
>>6841044
>Still, I stand by my statement that this would take perhaps 30 minutes to program -

I stand by my statement that you're a mental midget and a complete shithead.

GTFO /sci/! You're lowering the collective intelligence with your room=temperature IQ.

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>>6840929
yee

>> No.6841114

I'm fucking stupid.

>> No.6841118

>>6840915
>What's your excuse for not doing something great and amazing???
I'm being distracted by retarded threads on /sci/

>Be Greek thinker
>Think everything is water
>Someone disagrees, he think's it all fire
>We do experiment
????
?It's both

>>6840929
10/10 would patriot again

>> No.6841127

Some here will do something great and amazing.

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>>6841127
>Some here will do something great and amazing.

Oh god my sides… they're in the orbit by now.

>> No.6841135

>>6841131
I also get happy when I think about it.

>> No.6841169

>>6841081
The design is much more sophisticated than the craftsmanship though.

>> No.6841174

>>6841131
>implying smart people don't need someplace to shitpost

>> No.6841197

>>6840915
>What's your excuse for not doing something great and amazing???
Dota 2
A really good excuse.

>> No.6841208

>>6841197
why not be amazing at dota 2

>> No.6841242

>without paper
Well duh, what kind of dumb shit would make a mechanical device out of paper

>> No.6841286

>>6841197
>>6841208
rekt, 1k mmr scum

>> No.6841630

>>6841242
>Well duh, what kind of dumb shit would make a mechanical device out of paper

they had no paper to use for calculations of drafting you retard.

>> No.6841762

>>6841630
Where are you getting this bullshit from? The greeks had papyrus and vellum.

>> No.6841769

>>6840935
every Athenian found a new highest prime before age 8, else they wouldn't be allowed pederast sex with hamsom old men. every Spartan child was duty bound to calculate a better rational approximation to pi, else would be left naked on the mountain side.

>> No.6841959

>>6841762
they didn't use it for scratch-work.

>> No.6841969

>>6841050
this, my fellow anons is our main societal problem at present

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>>6840929
Thank you. That's the greatest thing I've read all day. 10/10

>> No.6842168

>>6841769
>you will never work hard to pass your maths test for a chance of sucking old man cock
fuck the 21st century

>> No.6842207

>>6841104
in other news this nigga mad as fuck lolol

>> No.6843603

this puts things into a perspective… doesn't it?

>> No.6843909

>>6840915
In 2014 me and a couple of friends built a stair climbing robot without using a quantum computer nor a hive mind. Whats your excuse op?

>> No.6844358

>>6841959

They could probably still use sand like it was etch-a-scetch.

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>>6844358
>They could probably still use sand like it was etch-a-scetch.

That's exactly what they did. They had sand boxes and would sit/stand around and draw with a stick.

They didn't use vellum ( skin of animals) or papyrus for doing calculations. It was extremely expensive and basically one-time use. You'd write on vellum once you wanted to record it for future generations in a well-thought out book.

Also, pic related.

>> No.6844532

>>6840915
I don't have smart friends to do cool shit with.

>> No.6844693

I made an animatronic velociraptor that parts the branches next to my front door when someone stands there for a few seconds.

Scares the shit out of Mormons and those guys who want to dig tiny holes in my lawn.

Also, I have a gargoyle on my roof that tracks heat signatures on the street and follows passers-by with its gaze. I don't know if anyone has noticed this yet.

I keep promising myself that I'll go back and publish the papers I was working on when I finished grad school, but... there are garden-roaming triceratopses to be built (going to make them an agent-based herd), and I've got a batch of synthetic emeralds getting to the point where I can learn to cut them.

My life sounds way cooler when I type it out like this.

>> No.6844929

>>6844693

Do you also have a Delorean in your garage?

>> No.6844936

>>6840929
>>>/pol/

>> No.6844950

>>6840915
I'm a lazy nigger that is majoring in math and physics , that's why.

>> No.6845143

>>6844693
>those guys who want to dig tiny holes in my lawn
wat

>> No.6845153

>>6840915
I recently designed two electric conversion devices without SPICE and have stumped
4chan participants with 3 simple questions.