/sci/ - Science & Math

>>6801538
>How do I avoid being depressed, /sci/?
Post on /sci/ and thus ensure that you're a complete idiot because no intelligent person would come to this degenerate backwater.

>>6801547
Why are you degrading yourself like that?

>>6801547
Believe it or not, there are some intelligent people on 4chan that just enjoy anonymity.

>>6802062
And there are many more people on 4chan that just enjoy shitposting

>>6802062
>>6802072
Now here's the real kicker: There are some intelligent people on 4chan that just enjoy shitposting

>>6801538
no, that's just what depressed people tell themselves to make them feel better

it doesn't work because they aren't actually depressed, they just think they'll get attention by pretending to have the world figured out and acting sad about it, it's basically a continuation of the angsty/emo angle but with an "i'm intelligent" addition to it

if you pay attention you'll notice that people who play angle (and there are lots, especially on this messageboard) always have their facts wrong (usually reversed from reality), because their getting their info from other pretenders from themselves, rather than actually spending the time to learn something about the world

no, that's just what depressed people tell themselves to make them feel better

it doesn't work because they aren't actually depressed, they just think they'll get attention by pretending to have the world figured out and acting sad about it, it's basically a continuation of the angsty/emo angle but with an "i'm intelligent" addition to it

if you pay attention you'll notice that people who play this angle (and there are lots, especially on this messageboard) always have their facts wrong (usually reversed from reality), because they are getting their info from other pretenders like themselves, rather than actually spending the time to read and learn something about the world

>>6801538
I like to think I'm pretty smart, and I spent a couple of hours in bed hugging my pillow this afternoon because of anxiety attacks and depression. This of course meant I had less time to study, which made me feel even worse. I've been generally unhappy and depressed for most of my life. Don't know if it's because I'm smart or just because im a shitty person though

>>6801538
>Is it true that an intelligent peson is more likely to be depressed?

No, it's actually the opposite. Intelligence correlates with happiness.

>>6801538
>Any of you faggots ever experienced depression
yes, regularly.


>How do I avoid being depressed
as cliche and bullshit as it sounds - toughen up.
it won't get any easier. there's no easy way out. it'll always be this shitty. you can either try and overcome it through sheer force of will NOW or succumb and slowly wither away.

whatever you do, DO SOMETHING. keep yourself busy.

ALWAYS have something to do, the more productive the better. lots of time with no purpose will bring your thoughts back into depressive patterns.

id say its pointing out the obvious but center yourself,

like a still pond.

only then will you realise what causes the ripples..

...young grasshopper

so basically be like a crazy person thats aware hes crazy..

so hes probably not crazy.

>>6802597
>toughen up to your defective brain not producing enough serotonin
okay.png

>>6802132
This

>>6802871
The whole "chemical imbalance" thing was a brilliant marketing scheme. Too bad it's bullshit. Keep telling yourself that your depression is real and serious and legitimate and that you need your magik pills to cure it when all the non-biased science has concluded they're effectively placebos.

"you wudnlt git it normal-fag"
I was diagnosed with depression, even hospitalized for it, and took a variety of psychiatric drugs for it. Guess what? there's no cure short of "rewiring" your entire brain. changing one chemical isn't going to cut it.

HI.
HI.
HI.

I'M MR. MATHSEEKES. THIS THREAD IS BAD. SO I'M HERE TO CLEAN IT UP!!!

IF A IS SMART, THEN A IS DEPRESSED. THIS IS THE LOGICAL PREMISE THAT YOU'RE WORKING UNDER, OP. IT IS THE CONDITIONAL STATEMENT OF YOUR "UNIVERSE."

BUT THIS DOES NOT IMPLY THAT IF A IS DEPRESSED, THEN A IS SMART. IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.

THE CONDITIONAL IS NOT ALWAYS LOGICALLY EQUIVALENT TO THE CONVERSE. HENCE, YOU BEING DEPRESSED HAS PROBABLY NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR INTELLECT OR LACK THEREOF. AS SUCH, THIS THREAD IS IDIOTIC, YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD AND CONSIDER HAVING SEX AND EXERCISING. THE FORMER BETTER THAN THE LATER, BUT HEY, THEY BOTH ACHIEVE THE END RESULT:

SEROTONIN RELEASE.

GOODBYE.

>>6802895
> drugs don't make you happy.
> I'm not happier now that I've drunk that glass of bourbon

>>6802908
Good luck staying perpetually drunk. I think there's a name for that - alcoholism. I heard it's a great "cure" for "depression."

are you disabled? in pain? sick? dying? starving? no? then you got no reason to be depressed.

>>6802920
If someone was dying or starving, they'd have every reason to be ecstatic.

There are plenty of reasons to be "depressed", the best one being that life is shit and everyone is miserable.

Depression is caused by lack of good food, lack of activity, and lack of sunlight. The weather causes more suicides than any other factor.

>>6802111
Trips confirm

I love how all you idiots are saying tough it out! It doesn't work that way! Depression for most people can be due to several factors, including but not limited to social life, stress and health. Honestly, I have seen sooooo many depressed smart kids and when I ask them about their diet, it's all shit. Eating bread all day is not healthy. So if you improve your self and just try and address any issues that you may be having you can work yourself out of it.

>>6802072
this is true. after a hard day at the lab nothing beats bad grammer poor form and putting on an insulting and demeaning attutide towards kids who just want to pass calc to get their business degree

lol i assume that intelligent persons are more optimistic.

>>6802920
Being sad at a misadventure isn't depression m8tey.

>>6802953
Eating bread is just another symptom, like depression itself.

>>6802953
>correlation=causation
>on muh sci
Hume pls go to bed.

>>6802895
oh shit your experiences speak for everyone else's?

HOLY FUCK!!!

>>6802895
>there's no cure short of "rewiring" your entire brain
Psychedelics.

>>6802908
>i'm depressed, what do :I
>just drink alcohol it helps :)

great advice

>>6802132
Top kek. Examine you first sentance .

>>6802968
>insulting and demeaning attutide towards kids who just want to pass calc to get their business degree

You may be talking about my post asking for integrals help, there was a guy talking shit about my question. Fortunately I got help from others people.

>>6802895
>The whole "chemical imbalance" thing was a brilliant marketing scheme. Too bad it's bullshit
I thought this was a science board

>>6801538
no

>>6802132
[citation needed]

I'm pretty sure intelligence has been correlated with depression on many measures.

Also intelligent =/= always being right.

yeah. I've been on various antidepressants and antianxiety meds on and off since I was 11 or 12. been to various psychologists. none of that helped really. meditation, magnesium, st john's wort tea and weed helped me.

>>6805645
not sure about my intelligence though, never tested that. meditation I discovered myself reading the tibetan book of the dead, having a magnesium deficiency is something my mother warned me about and apparently it could cause symptoms similar to depression, st john's wort was suggested by my grandma, weed is an old remedy of mine.

dont discount that paranoia isnt functional
or rather, if something is going to be one way or another, regardless of how you perceive it
its sometimes better just to substitute a general view of what should be and let that be what is

its so hard to do this, to convince yourself against what you are becoming convinced of randomly

but if you just use a general rule it gets easier

yea, sometimes just to get past certain things you have to deceive yourself

but as long as you never know when this may be so

ie you always assume the same neutral, allowing for positive interpretation as well, as what would be the point otherwise

and just assume that things are generally ok which works as long as you have your own source of motivation

OP. Just go outside, please.

>>6805764
this. feed some ducks, but not with bread because they can blow up

No, Intelligent people are usually happier

>>6805603
How would you possibly know that I am the person trolling that thread?

I don't touch integral threads. I can already do a trip.

>>6801538

My instincts tell me life shouldnt be this horrible

>>6801538
The amount of misinformation being thrown around in this thread is just completely upsetting. And here I thought that humanity having a wealth of information at their fingertips would allow them to be more well versed and capable.

>>6805677
Jesus fuck how come there are so many insufferable retards on that board.

>>6802132
what would you say to the individual who believes he is chronically depressed as a result of his reading and knowledge.

I.e. The classic Steppenwolf complex. The tortured genius - Camus, Hemingway, Mozart etc.

higher intelligence = more cognitive adaptability to deal with internal/external stressors = resistance to depression

this can be seen even in mice genetically engineered to be smarter

>>6804347
Stop making excuses for your shitty existence in denial and grow up.

>>6802393
Only slightly.
IQ has almost no correlation with happiness or depression rates.

>>6808070
That doesn't make any sense.

If anything, the more intelligent and curious you are, the more you know, the more likely you are to be depressed. 'Ignorance is bliss'.

>>6802895
>The whole "chemical imbalance" thing was a brilliant marketing scheme.
I had a depression once due to a concussion. I was very sudden. I couldn't get up in the morning, I just sat in front of the television, no interest in my hobbies, nothing. Just sat there thinking nothing. I had some damage at the frontal lobe. Heaviest depression I ever had. People who are in that position simply can't help themselves by "manning up". It's more than that.

>>6808108
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?aid=8905934&fileId=S0033291712002139

BACKGROUND:
Happiness and higher intelligent quotient (IQ) are independently related to positive health outcomes. However, there are inconsistent reports about the relationship between IQ and happiness. The aim was to examine the association between IQ and happiness and whether it is mediated by social and clinical factors. Method The authors analysed data from the 2007 Adult Psychiatric Morbidity Survey in England. The participants were adults aged 16 years or over, living in private households in 2007. Data from 6870 participants were included in the study. Happiness was measured using a validated question on a three-point scale. Verbal IQ was estimated using the National Adult Reading Test and both categorical and continuous IQ was analysed.

RESULTS:
Happiness is significantly associated with IQ. Those in the lowest IQ range (70-99) reported the lowest levels of happiness compared with the highest IQ group (120-129). Mediation analysis using the continuous IQ variable found dependency in activities of daily living, income, health and neurotic symptoms were strong mediators of the relationship, as they reduced the association between happiness and IQ by 50%.

CONCLUSIONS:
Those with lower IQ are less happy than those with higher IQ. Interventions that target modifiable variables such as income (e.g. through enhancing education and employment opportunities) and neurotic symptoms (e.g. through better detection of mental health problems) may improve levels of happiness in the lower IQ groups.

>>6802968
ahahahah
>being in a lab
>being smart
Pick one sub-mathfags. Enjoy your lmaoNODESK
enjoy your lmaoMICROPENIS for not being a math major
lmao enjoy your lmao biology dolphin fucker

>>6801538
No, emotions are subjective.
Under the same logic that a rich man!=happy man(in which case problems tend to be pettier), an intelligent man is just going to have more meaningful problems.

Human desire and brain chemistry pretty much dictate depression, not intelligence.
Otherwise there wouldn't be prolific academics committing suicide or engaging in other self harming behaviors as much(not counting amphetamines used for work purposes).

>>6808133
Though intelligence does seem to be inversely correlated with suicide:

http://www.bmj.com/content/330/7484/167
>The risk of suicide was two to three times higher in those with lowest compared with the highest test scores. The strongest associations were seen with the logic test: for each unit increase in test score the risk of suicide decreased by 12% (95% confidence interval 10% to 14%).

>>6808070
How do they mesure happiness in mouses?

>>6801538
It's the opposite. If you are universally intelligent, you will smartly deal with your problems and obstacles and end up as a person making mad dosh in a job you like and surround yourself with people you like and who like you and lead an enjoyable, fulfilling life.

Different depressions are caused by different problems.

People with different IQs have different problems.

Therefore IQ and depression aren't related.

>>6808160
Educated!=intelligence
There are many genius slackers in school systems who are unmotivated, bored, depressed, preoccupied
Not that anything I say discredits that study, just saying
If you are stupid you'd probably have lower self esteem and want to off yourself as well.
I think its more of a deviation from normalcy thing-either way you won't have a large support group; either a few autist/nerds or others with a depressingly low iq/social situation.
Extremes tend to be less social than the norm and this can be harmful when you attempt to cope with things.

bump

>>6801538
It's true that dumb people who think themselves intelligent will suffer depression.

Dumb people who know they're dumb won't and smart people who know they're smart won't.

:^)

(Seriously though, don't embrace depression as a sign of being intelligent in your weird "smart persona". Push it away already, it's stupid.)

>>6808130
>lmaoNODESK

b-but i have a desk....its covered in lab notebooks and papers and reports and my fucking NIH GRANT THAT I CAN'T FUCKING BRING MYSELF TO FINISH BUT ITS DUE ON WEDNESDAY FUCK MY PI IS GONNA BE CLIMBING UP MY ASS ALL DAY TOMORROW AND TUESDAY.

bump

>>6802895
>first time on science board
>see thread about depression, very optimistic that a science board will understand the topic in depth after experiences with retards on /lit/ and /pol/
>"The whole "chemical imbalance" thing was a brilliant marketing scheme."
>" all the non-biased science has concluded they're effectively placebos. " [no citation on this radical claim]

bye guys

>>6811864
BAWWWW PLEASE GIVE ME ATTENTION ON MY REAL DEPRESSION I USE TO GET ATTENTION BAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW

>>6801538
Depression: Chemical imbalance = Chemical reaction

Yes, our brains are assholes. Deal with it.

Remember that pick up line you were supposed to use back in the day? Too bad!

>>6802897
I read it all in that tone.
Oh god, my head hurts.