/sci/ - Science & Math

>>6770505
Depends on what they know.

In wealth of knowledge, the difference is negligible at best.

In my opinion, your title doesn't equal how smart you are. I work with technicians who I think are a lot smarter than me. Everyone grows up in different situations and don't have the same opportunities as some other people.

>>6770505
When compared the immense intellect and creative spirit of a synthetic organic chemist, both engineers and physicists tend to the same level.

Biologists, physicists, and engineers have no concept of creativity. Some mathematicians break the mould, though.

Not really. You obviously can't be stupid to do engineering, but everyone knows that the hierarchy is

>1: Theoretical physicists
Figuring out deep aspects about the universe and then actually having it experimentally verified is the the most difficult thing human mind can do

>2: Mathematicians
Not as smart as physicists, but proving arbitrary theorems about abstract objects is easier than trying to figure stuff out about the real world. Basically, just because mathematics uses more complicated looking symbols doesn't mean it's more difficult.

>3: Experimental physicists
Better than mathematicians but unfortunately not as smart

>4: Engineers
And I'm talking about engineers with PhD's

>5: Biologists, chemists, etc.

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><span class="math">\frac{e^i\pi}{11.999}[/spoiler] : Social "scientists"

>>6770984
youre talking about average, right?

cause terence tao's iq> average of physicists IQ

>>6770990
Who?

>>6770990
>comparing the smartest mathematician with the average physicist

That's not average.

>>6770990
How's social science working out for you?

>>6770984
>Physicists think their babby concepts are difficult.

Directed_acyclic_graph_of_laughing_pure_mathematicians.gv

>>6770984

Engineer with PhD's are different from engineers.

>>6770984
what about Engineering Physicist?

>>6770505

The best physicists are smarter than the best engineers. The best mathematicians are smarter than the best physicists.

The greatest physicist is Einstein but his intelligence isn't even close to that of Euler, Gauss, Von Neumann and Hilbert.

>>6773080
>The greatest physicist is Einstein but his intelligence isn't even close to that of Euler, Gauss, Von Neumann and Hilbert.
He went there, but of course I cannot refute it.

But Einstein over Dirac...

>>6772954

It means it's their turn to jizz on the undergrads

>>6773080
>The best physicists are smarter than the best engineers

Rly?

The fun thing is that the people arguing in this thread will never be near the level of the people they claim are lowest here.

>>6770505
Too broad of a statement, you can't accurately compare large groups like that, especially when dealing with a subject as abstract as intelligence. You can compare the intelligence of individuals, but it does not work to compare the intelligence of large, non homogenous, groups. I know plenty of mechanics who are smarter than doctors, or carpenters who are more knowledgable than lawyers, but that does not mean all mechanics are smarter than doctors.

>>6773103
In other words,

Blanket statements like the one OP made don't work

>>6770505
the relationship between a physicist and an engineer is the same than the relationship between an architect and a construction worker

>>6773098

Physicits
>Dick around with balls on strings
>Appropriate mathematics from mathematicians
>Become leading experts in balls and strings
>Call it pendulums and waves
>Appropriate glass prisms and lightbulbs
>Ram a circle through a rectangle
>Get confused at resulting pattern
>Complain their appropriated mathematics isn't good enough
>Bastardise more mathematics
>Blend matrices and wave mechanics like chocolate fudge and shit
>Call it quantum mechanics
>Use telescopes
>Complain their bastardised mathematics won't sum the entire universe correctly
>Just start making things up
>Call it dark matter
>Compile a theory of everything that doesn't cover everything
>Wait for new information to make all prior work essentially irrelevant


Engineers
>Formulate a strict set of laws that the universe is known to work with
>Call it thermodynamics
>Be responsible for providing everything the civilised world has ever known
>Live a rich and comfortable life knowing you won't be contradicted until (figurative) hell (literally) freezes over

since they don't apply their intelligence to anything demanding, we'll never know.

>>6772615
physics major here

hows psych going?

gender studies has the highest IQ by far

>>6770617
>Biologists have no creativity.

Roger Tsien takes a small fluorescent protein from an insignificant jellyfish species and revolutionizes biology with it, wins Nobel Prize.

Researchers in CRISPR technology figure out how to turn a bacterial defense against viral infection into an incredibly powerful tool for introducing whatever genes you want into an organism.

Some college kid takes a cruise one day and figures out the origin of species.

I dunno, bruh, I just don't see it.

degree cockstroking to the max here. People who excel in one field would probably excel in any other field anyway, the 'smart' people are the smart people.

>>6773124
>engineers
>could do fuck all if they didn't have mathematicians and physicists coming up with the needed knowledge in the first place
Engineers are like code monkeys, with the mathematicians/physicists being the game designers.

>>6773206
Fuck you. Xenobiology is a totally valid field! We've got journals and everything!

/sci/ is like a miniature model of academia.

/sci/
>IQ threads
>Physics / engineering / chem / bio sucks

Acamede
>Obviously you are wrong, here is no proof
>Markov chains? Lel, only countable number of states
>Linear processes are not realistic
>Nonlinear models - enjoy your numerical results
>You are not my buddy, hence your paper will be rejected

Just let me get my fucking PhD and do real work.

>>6773183
Physical/cell biologists are superior

>>6773080
Newton > mathematicians

>>6773117
and mathematicians are designers

gay as fuck

>>6773124
how come you know us physicists so well?

>>6773183

Compare those "great feats" of biology to the paltry throwaway achievements of physicists and chemists.

Who's laughing now? Also look up some Nobel price stats, since that seems to matter so much to you.

>>6773210
More like mathematicians and physicists wrote the manual for the engine (which was made by [insert deity/natural phenomena here]), while engineers made the game itself

>>6773250

You said they didn't have creativity, but that's wrong. Taking a niche protein used naturally for bioluminescence, subjecting it to manipulation, and introducing it into radically different organisms to report where proteins are being expressed IS creative. It's not even the only example, just a very prominent one.

I don't give a shit that you think that the achievements of physics and chemistry are better, because that's irrelevant to the original comment. Stop moving the goalposts.

>>6770505

> I was watching today's new Big Bang Theory

well that right there's the problem

>>6773100

exactly. only thing you can do is grab popcorn and laugh.

>>6770984
Please append Computer Scientist below Social Scientist. Thanks.

>>6773238

Because when you're a genius you know things.

>>6774320
>know things
That's a mighty fancy way of saying
>are batshit insane

>>6773206
>People who excel in one field would probably excel in any other field anyway, the 'smart' people are the smart people.

I highly doubt this. I think the main reason for excelling in a field is devoting almost every waking second working on it in some way or another. That's just not possible if you aren't really, really interested in it.

>>6770505
My opinion is that your really stupid and a huge faggot because you've been watching TBBT.

>>6773263
>I don't give a shit that you think that the achievements of physics and chemistry are better, because that's irrelevant to the original comment. Stop moving the goalposts.

lol, you and I do not define the "goalposts." They are apparent to anyone involved in actual research.

Why does everyone always take this bait when it's posted? Go back to /b/ fags

>>6773210
>implying engineers don't do research and advance their fields
fucking NEET dickheads like you spouting muh math and phys because you're autistic and don't know what engineers do.

>>6773124
You're just mad because if you integrate infinity over a really small number you just get the magnitude of that infinity. (Integrating over the Dirac Delta)

>>6772954
Yeah, it means they couldn't pull an internship so they are stuck with academia

>>6773080
You're an idiot. The smartest people in the world have been great phycisists which requires you to be a great mathematician. Newton outclasses all of those babbies.

>>6773791
>computer science

>>6774716
There's so many fuckin opportunities in CS, it's not even funny. We don't claim to be the smartest but we are most definitely above SS and way more employable. If you know a CS major who is unemployed, he or she isn't even trying.

Im writing a paper on why math is objectively the best and hardest subject.

can someone provide a hook/intro?

>>6774737
Wow I see why you are sweating because it's not true. I'll give you hardest.

>>6774745
I am really writing a paper on that topic though
I started with "Mathematics is the language of the universe.", but that seems cliche and tryhard

>>6774747
Math is objectively the best subject to study, and all sciences are slaves to the math major. The fizzix major designs my car to be faster, the chemistry major designs my drugs to be more dank, the biology major tells the models I copulate with how to please me more.

The greatest part of being a math major is counting; that is, counting all of my money.

>>6774747
Tell them the anecdote of Simon the mathematician who had to help his physicist friends with their e.mag. Or how he had to help them the previous year with their babby math. Or how he had to help a master student help a candidate student because "the math is not necessary for a physicist". I actually looked up to these mongoloids my first year.

>>6774745
> I'll give you hardest.
even that's wrong though