/sci/ - Science & Math

>>6680602
*crickets*

*OP sucking cocks*

*crickets*

>>6680602
natural deterministic empiricism are the only philosophies fit for this board, everything else is unscientific speculation.

>>6680724
can you give an example?

what is consciousness?

Kwalia weel xD

In the works of Burroughs, a predominant concept is the distinction between figure and ground. Foucault uses the term ‘textual sublimation’ to denote not, in fact, narrative, but neonarrative. In a sense, Brophy[1] states that the works of Burroughs are an example of self-justifying objectivism. Derrida suggests the use of subcultural textual theory to attack sexism. Thus, Debord uses the term ‘nationalism’ to denote the bridge between class and culture. The premise of the postpatriarchialist paradigm of reality holds that narrative comes from the masses, given that Foucault’s critique of nationalism is invalid. “Society is impossible,” says Lyotard; however, according to Scuglia[2] , it is not so much society that is impossible, but rather the meaninglessness, and thus the futility, of society. Therefore, the characteristic theme of the works of Burroughs is a mythopoetical reality. Lyotard promotes the use of the postpatriarchialist paradigm of reality to modify sexual identity. It could be said that if nationalism holds, we have to choose between cultural discourse and neomaterial construction. The primary theme of von Junz’s[3] essay on textual sublimation is the difference between consciousness and society. But Lacan suggests the use of nationalism to deconstruct colonialist perceptions of sexual identity. Sontag uses the term ‘textual sublimation’ to denote the role of the participant as writer. Thus, an abundance of narratives concerning the economy, and subsequent fatal flaw, of textual art exist. The example of postcultural capitalist theory intrinsic to Madonna’s Sex is also evident in Erotica, although in a more neotextual sense.

1. Brophy, J. ed. (1976) The Fatal flaw of Society: Nationalism in the works of Lynch. O’Reilly & Associates
2. Scuglia, W. K. C. (1995) Textual sublimation and nationalism. Panic Button Books
3. von Junz, Q. E. ed. (1987) Consensuses of Stasis: Textual sublimation in the works of Madonna. Loompanics

>>6680746
Physics

duuuude I just ate a weed brownie and got zapped into another dimension

we're all just one breathing universe maaan

>>6680760
If one examines dialectic theory, one is faced with a choice: either accept modernist theory or conclude that the Constitution is part of the defining characteristic of truth. Neopatriarchialist discourse states that reality is a product of the masses. In a sense, any number of narratives concerning the textual paradigm of narrative may be found. The example of posttextual discourse prevalent in Tarantino’s Pulp Fiction is also evident in Four Rooms. Thus, Baudrillard’s essay on neopatriarchialist discourse holds that the task of the observer is social comment. A number of narratives concerning the bridge between society and art exist. The characteristic theme of the works of Tarantino is the absurdity, and hence the genre, of cultural sexual identity. Therefore, the subject is interpolated into a Sontagist camp that includes language as a reality. The primary theme of Dahmus’s[1] model of modernist theory is a self-sufficient paradox. In the works of Tarantino, a predominant concept is the concept of capitalist consciousness. Thus, Foucault suggests the use of Derridaist reading to analyse and modify art. Baudrillard uses the term ‘modernist theory’ to denote the fatal flaw of presemioticist society. However, the main theme of the works of Tarantino is not theory, as the textual paradigm of narrative suggests, but neotheory. Many narratives concerning Sontagist camp may be discovered. Thus, if modernist theory holds, we have to choose between Sontagist camp and the dialectic paradigm of consensus. Any number of theories concerning the common ground between sexual identity and society exist. But the subject is contextualised into a modernist theory that includes reality as a reality. A number of discourses concerning Sontagist camp may be revealed.

1. Dahmus, V. K. (1982) Neoconstructive socialism, the textual paradigm of narrative and nationalism. Panic Button Books

>>6680757
So like this?
"When punishments are not properly awarded, the people do not know how to move hand or foot."
--Confucius

Dude. This is boring.

Why is this here?

>>6680766
Nope like these.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalism_%28philosophy%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empiricism

My dick is huge

>>6680771
I suspect there is no overlap of any philosophical significance?

>>6680776
Those three philosophies all overlap and any demonstrably valid philosophy will be compatible with all of them.

It's not that I think which proves my existence, but that I experience.

>>6680781
is this not demonstratable? >>6680766

also what a word lol
demon ?
monstrate / monster ?

de-monster-able?

>>6680602
Nothing to talk about.

The universe is deterministic.

People are not deterministic.

Philosophy is for whiners that flip burgers.

>>6680797
People are part of the universe.

>>6680797
It would be interesting to see if the flip-burgers themselves do philosophy.

>>6680799
Russel's Paradox?

>>6680602
I enjoy philosophy, but you'll probably get a better thread on /lit/

>>6680792
Nope, its vague and not empirical with a bit of superstition.
Babies can move their hands and feet and don't understand as thing about punishment.

>>6680800
You have to be philosophical about working for minimum wage.

>>6680797
>People are not deterministic.
Example?

People may say and believe things that aren't true, but their actions are still deterministic and governed by natural law.

>>6680809
Hollywood.

>>6680808
That would create more problems than what they have now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5fGSBsfq8

>>6680807
aw, but they're babies... they don't really know anything anyway.. Plus that's taking it too literally

eg. I punish you whatever you do
Find a way to avoid punishment

>>6680817
Not at all. Philosophers get fired from jobs all the time for annoying people.

Eventually you learn to stop acting like a retarded evangelist of the human condition or you starve to death.

>>6680813
How is that not deterministic, do you just not understand how movies are made, so you apply some supernatural explanation for "movie magic" and worship it?

>>6680826
What are you babbling about? I'm not talking about the movies.

What kind of miracle is a deterministic miracle? Can you think of an example for it?

>>6680819
Yes, but a baby born paralyzed can not be taught to move hand and foot no matter how much and how long you punish them for.

>taking it too literally
That is literally what it means to be a valid scientific philosophy and that was my point is saying it was too vague and not empirical.

>>6680828
What are you babbling about?

This board isn't for slow stupid people, if you can't keep up try your luck back at >>>/s4s my question was clear and simple.
>How is that (Hollywood) not deterministic?

>>6680828
>What are you babbling about?
This board isn't for slow stupid people, if you can't keep up try your luck back at >>>/s4s/ my question was clear and simple.
>How is that (Hollywood) not deterministic?

>>6680834
I said "Hollywood", not "movies".

If you think they're the same, then explaining why I am right will be impossible because you have no basis for comparison.

>>6680838
Hollywood is still deterministic though, you never actually provided an example that countered determinism, it operates with empirical money and measurable sequential actions that follow natural law, just like everything else.

>>6680842
>empirical money
Wut? You mean Gold Standard?
>measurable sequential actions
What? This is nonsensical.
>that follow natural law
How?
>just like everything else
Like what?

>>6680842
Like I said, no basis.

You can't conceive of an environment where cause and effect have nothing to do with the environment.

>>6680830
Knowledge is like a fixed point, it's a constant..
Wisdom is more like a variable, maybe even a function..

Religion is what happens when people write wisdom yet read knowledge

>>6680847
Nope I mean the enumerated exchange of fiat debt in exchange for services and resources.

Nope its pretty self explanatory the process of making individual movies in hollywood is clearly explained and documented in many documentary movies.

>that follow natural law
Again, they have never actually done anything physically impossible and use perspective, camera tricks, hidden wires and sets, and computer animation to create the illusion of separation from natural law.

>just like everything else
>Like what?
Photosynthesis
Cathedral Construction
The International Space Station

>>6680854
Knowledge constantly evolves, though, it is not a fixed point.
Wisdom is an illusion created by uncertainty, a god of the gaps.

>>6680861
Why are you so attached to movies?

You need to calm down, you obsess too much.

>>6680863
Knowledge constantly accumulates, but it advances in leaps or sits still...

Science is at the other end of the spectrum, but it too mistakes knowledge for wisdom

level 1) Purpose.
level 2) What is my purpose?
level 3) What if I have no purpose? What then?
level 4) X

>>6680864
Thank you, I will take that as a retraction of your earlier claim that Hollywood was not deterministic.

It seems the more knowledge you have, the more wisdom you need to keep it in check

>>6680869
The fuck are talking about, you just said knowledge was a fixed point, you dipshit.

All you have demonstrated is that you don't have a working knowledge of science, wisdom, advances, philosophy, or ironically, knowledge itself.

>>6680869
>wisdom

Buddy, you are all kinds of ways in the WRONG place...

>>6680874
And you continue to put words ion other peoples mouths. If you're going to get angry, go ahead.

Hollywood is the most random messed up place possible. Being in 2 places at once doesn't even make people blink.

>>6680888
Yea because people their understand film and broadcast, they aren't mesmerized like a faggot by someone on who is sitting behind them, but also in front of them on a monitor.

>>6680889
> film and broadcast,

You see, you don't even know. You're just blathering your irritated assumptions everywhere and making up arguments I never said.

You really need to spend a week there, and go out at night.

You would need to see why it must be observed.

>>6680878
unless the advanced point is yet another unique fixed point..?
Consider the world flat vs the world round... did it have rounded corners between?

>>6680899
Only if you consider that you very probably have a neurological condition and none of your words make intelligible sense.

Luckily you probably just have a bad case of being a dumbfuck teenager, but if you are older than 20, you might be a high functioning retarded.

>>6680898
So, you still can't actually provide an example?

Its ok, I still accept your earlier retraction.

>>6680908
Hollywood is an example, and if you actually see it you can see why.

>>6680911
I have seen it and I have been there, the land mass is just like any other land mass on earth, but with different buildings, resources, and individuals.

>>6680900
Yes, my neurologicals are in mint condition, the rest is subjective =)

>>6680915
Then you had your eyes closed.

>>6680921
According to your retracted nonsense, that would be too deterministic to happen in Hollywood, no wonder you retracted your nonsense.

>>6680602
cogito ergo non sum... because Decartes' theory was based on an intuition, which is nothing more than a feeling. Feelings to Descartes were rejected.

>>6680927
Actually, it would fit in. The problem is you really didn't see it. I kinda doubt you went there.

this post is where communists come to vomit their shit on the masses.

Hail hydra.

So then, if knowledge and wisdom are the same, why are they different?

>>6680941
Closing your eyes to prevent seeing is a result of deterministic natural law in regards to light reflecting off matter.
I kinda know you have failed to provide an example of something nondeterministic in hollywood, which is why you were forced to retract your nonsense.

>>6680943
what's so bad about communism

>>6681007
It's a system of political governance.

>>6680847
>>empirical money
>gold standard
>not another middleman

Humes' problem of induction could be discussed in a sci/ thread.
Inductive reasoning is at the basis of all theories.

>>6680953
You are being massively trolled you idiot. Hollywood guy is just spamming nonsense to make you look retarded for even responding.

>>Implying anyone in this post knows anything about philosophy
>>Implying you aren't all completely retarded

⇒philosophy
⇒the love of wisdom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1siWHmKV5c

>>6681056
I was doing the same thing basically.

>>6681047
Hume's causality thesis too.

>>6681067
No, you were trying to win. He was just trying to continue the game.

>>6681075
what anime is this from? I tried doing an image search but just got countless shitty meme sites that don't help at all

>>6681075
I was making excessively pedantic and condescending remarks to make him look like more of an idiot than need be, that is the game, I am winning.

>>6680602
I think the reason that some plebs insult philosophy is that they're not aware that modern philosophy has deep interconnections with math. In fact, many PhDs in math work at philosophy departments.

>>6681047
⇒Humes' problem of induction could be discussed in a sci/ thread.

There is nothing to discuss. The scientific method solves the problem of induction.

>>6681099
How?

>>6681126
When induction fails, i.e. when a hypothesis gets falsified, we drop the hypothesis and develop an improved one accounting for the new observation. You should have learned this in 3rd grade.

>>6681127
Popper falsifiability has its own host of problems. You should have learned this in 4th grade.

>>6681129
I neither mentioned Popper nor his concept of falsifiability. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, obviously.

>>6681132
>when a hypothesis gets falsified
Your mommy must have had a really hard time taking care of a retarded child.

>>6681129
>>6681132
really original guys.

>>6681136
"When a hypothesis gets falsified" is not the same as "Every hypothesis has to be falsifiable". A single instance of falsification is not the same as a general falsifiability requirement. Why are you so stupid? Did you hit your head against the wall during an autistic seizure?

>>6680781
toppest of keks. Could you please defend your position solely on the basis of your waifus?

>>6680835
>This board isn't for slow stupid people
Yes only the best and brightest. The Truly Great Minds willing to ask the Bigger Questions...

>>6681141
Sorry hipster, I don't understand your new age funky groove talk.

>>6681144
What is it like always bouncing around between two extremes, never really getting a valid perspective on anything except your head going up your own arse?

>>6681075
I think it's best to try and meet arguments and positions head on even if you highly suspect they are trolling, at least it's better then calling each others idiots and trolls in an endless circle of shitposting.

>>6681067
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>6681087
autism detected

>>6681139
What the fuck are you talking about, retard? I made absolutely no statements regarding Popper's solution to the demarcation problem. I'm referring to Popper's solution to the problem of induction, which is what we're talking about, and which is also completely equivalent in form to what you proposed in >>6681127. You should ask your neurologist to try you on donepezil. That's had some great results for intellectual disability in clinical trials.

>>6681145
Defend empiricism, determinism and naturalism on the basis of these three positions

>>6681155
no see
>>6681087
I wasn't being retarded at all, just dense and insulting.

>>6681159
see
>>6681156

Just leave man, your discussion methods are tiresome at best.

>>6681157
I don't give a shit about Popper. The scientific method works and it continues to work. Cry me a river, philosotard.

>>6681161
Yes, someone who has been mesmerized by the psychology religion and can't think outside of the framework of immeasurable double speak nonsense would probably have trouble keeping up with high level conversation.

>>6681159
>dat backpedaling

>>6681158
All valid universal knowledge is derived from measurement of stochastic causal processes.

>>6681165
Just because you can't grasp subtlety and the only method of trolling you can identify with is playing the retard card, that doesn't mean I was playing it like you insist on doing and making outright stupid claims. Enforcing my previous claims with a direct contradiction of your claim is not backpedalling, it is strengthening my argument.

>>6681164
>psychology religion
What?

>>6681166
What stochastic causal process have you measured that validates this claim?

>>6681171
Keep telling that to yourself, kid. You know it isn't true.

>>6681162
You don't give a shit about plagiarism or having sound epistemological grounds? Maybe that's why you couldn't make it past the 3rd grade.

>>6681175
I need to keep telling you that, because constant repetition is the only way the dumb dumbs can comprehend new true information.

>>6681171
It's like seeing a small deer trying to fight his way out of quicksand, but alas, he is only making it worse. Soon his little snout will be fully submerged in the unforgiving ooze

>>6681174
packet loss

>>6681172
Yep, it is a subjective judgmental belief system instead of a science of objective physical measurement.

>>6681180
I know, right, that guy with his backpedaling bullshit comments is pretty stupid and quite obviously incorrect.

>>6681179
I'm not even the guy you've been arguing with. It's amazing how you're willing to spend hours in this thread to prove that you were "only pretending". I don't think you understood the concept of anonymous image board culture. Go be autistic on reddit.

>>6681182
>Psychology is an academic and applied discipline that involves the scientific study of mental functions and behaviors
Nobody is going to accept your arbitrary redefinition.

>>6681177
My epistemological grounds are extremely sound. Can't get anything more sound than the scientific method, bitch. And why should I give a shit about plagiarism? As a self-diagnosed sociopath and nihilist I am morally flexible. Get on my level, pleb.

>>6681185
Its amazing you think hours have gone by since this comment>>6681155, how many drugs is too many drugs, do you think maybe you should slow down a bit on the hippie dust?

>>6681190
This isn't articulate. The minute I say something that would prove my point the program restarts and forgets everything.

>>6681187
Oh its a discipline is it, like a craft, maybe like witchcraft?

Notice how they avoid calling it a science and distance themselves from empiricism by only saying it involves scientific study?

Also the psyche cult members have operated on the superstition assumption of the mind dating back to the greeks all the way through modern psychoanalysis which more than qualifies it to be categorized as religious over scientific.

>>6681190
That comment is literally 7 hours ago

>>6681199
Yea maybe if you are adding in a six our timezone differential otherwise it hasn't even been 30 minutes.

>>6681198
you're beginning to sound more and more like a true crackpot. What fumes do I need to inhale to be able to have such a clear and deep understanding with such a breath and depth?

>>6681182
Why do you assert this nonsense? Psychology is the objective scientific study of behavior and cognitive processes. You're clueless and probably have never gotten any formal psychology education.

>>6681200
:^)

>>6681198
Why do you assert this nonsense? Psychology is the objective scientific study of behavior and cognitive processes. You're clueless and probably have never gotten any formal psychology education.

>>6681200
There are no different timezones on 4chan. 4chan is located in the american timezone.

>>6681210
That was ages ago, 4chan now automatically adjusts the posts times to your local time

I vote to introduce color codes to aid our autistic friends understanding connotations. One day you'r riding with the best, bashing pseudoscience and celebrating the scientific method. The next day you get all these negative comments when you redefine psychology and proclaim adhering to the One True Method. It must be frustrating.

>>6681209
How do they objectively measure brain spirit feelings again?

How are the DSM, IQ and psychometrics in generally objectively and physically justified?

That's right, they aren't they are unreproducible self reported judgement calls.