/sci/ - Science & Math

>>6585698

It's genetics and culture and historical accident, all combined.

Just a note,

>Israel, having the same culture, tradition, everyday life, education etc etc

Israel has NONE of those things, except in the form of Ashkenazi refuges/immigrants.

>>6585698

Environment I guess. I'm just an average guy and I grew up around people who didn't care for science, math or how the world worked so nobody showed me these things. I'm trying to catch up but I'm a 25 year old high school drop-out who mostly educated himself through books to get through college.

I remember a lot of rap music and overly politically correct bullshit as well as religion but simply nobody stimulated me to study things. I guess living in a desert you have little else to do? I kid of course. It's probably their culture, like how indians always push their children to study to become doctors, the japanese == math, china == business, the netherlands == drugs and water. It's very uncommon to find chess players at all where I live. It's just not a thing that people do here. Always with the fucking televisions and the mindless chatter on them. It gets old fast.

I'm not even joking but I had to teach myself algebra through books, that's how bad things are here.

>>6585723
Where do you live?
I generally agree with this guy >>6585719.

Also you can't really dismiss an issue like this under the catalog of simply "environmental", it's much more complex than that. I think this is fallacy of "first-find" or something like that, can't remember.
Which means, just because there IS an actual and important factor that might cause an effect you can't take it as the sole convinient agent to explain something, reality simply doesn't care about such things, even less when it comes to ultra complex system like history/microevolution/education/culture/etc all in just one "intelligence" outcome.
All am saying is that I don't find quick fixes as rigorous, at least not in this case.

Which is why even jews having the same education and environment, the Ashkenazi Jews have significantly greater IQ (which I think measures just one of the facets of intelligence) and also Ashkenazi Jews are the highest achievers within Israel, despite having almost the same portion of the population.

>>6585698
Stable supportive families
>mfw

>>6585698

I don't know why you interchangeably use ashkenazi jews and jews in general, then go on to distinguish between two jewish sects. One is a subset of the other, make up your mind which you are providing facts for and asking questions about.

You ask
>why are ashkenazi jews so over-represented
then go on to support this with facts about all jewish people

then go on to ask why ashkenazi are so over-represented over sephardic jews, another jewish people.

Rewrite your question or get the right facts down.

Selection, because of the Christard ban on gentile money-lending Ashkenazi Jews were solely responsible for banking in Europe. Other jobs were unavailable to them since Christards viewed banking as evil and the other jobs as noble so the Jews in Europe were solely 'relegated', for lack of better word, to banking. Now to succeed in banking intelligence is a great asset as it allows the banker to make better decisions, those Jews who were stupid made less smart decisions and didn't have the monetary means to afford a family. Several generations passed and the stupid genes were weeded out of the Ashkenazi population. This also explains why Ashkenazi Jews have more often than not wealthy families, they were practically given a monopoly on banking by Christards.

>>6585766
Not sure if you're being sarcastic.
But I generally assume you have a short term/working memory of an adult and overall reading comprehention.
I don't think anyone here is really confused by that.
I start the thread talking about Ashkenazi Jews and since then when talking about Jews I clearly mean Ashkenazi and when I make the distinction is to be specific.

I feel weird that I had to explain such a trivial thing.

>>6585698
>>6585719
>>6585723
>>6585750
>>6585757
>>6585766
>>6585773
The actual answer is found here:

http://youtu.be/MOnQPXuU81Q?t=16m30s

>>6585799
>/pol/ getting BTFO

>>6585799
This.
Fuck culture, there's a fucking limit to what a culture can do.
Oh well, I guess people need a universal positive scapegoat to sleep better.

>>6585812
Culture doesn't even exist. It's just misappropriation of the products of human biology interacting with environment and other human biology.

>>6585816
Lol

>>6585816
umm, yes? That's the name we've given to all that enterprise you just described.

It's like saying apples don't exist because it's just arragements of atoms, you sure call them apple and eat those juicy fuckers.

>>6585819
Cultural determinists (liberal fart majors) try to act as though biology play no role in society but that is retarded.

>In the 20th century, "culture" emerged as a central concept in anthropology, encompassing the range of human phenomena that cannot be directly attributed to biological inheritance.

But that is stupid as our physiology is responsible for the making of art, food, architecture, etc. Ergo everything cultural is the product of biology in interaction with environment. You can't separate the two or it doesn't exist.

>>6585826
Actually no, that wasn't the point at all. I was arguing that culture is just the product of biology and environment not absent of biology as the definition today seems to be.

>>6585829
(not the guy you replied to)
But you can't say that culture "doesn't exist." It's an emergent property. It's like saying "evolution doesn't exist, it's just the result of the physical laws of the universe"

>>6585836
That's not the point again. I'm saying culture as defined as things absent from biology doesn't exist.

>>6585837
>culture as defined as things absent from biology doesn't exist.
Ok sure, that works.

But culture can't simply be "derived directly" from biology. Environment and biology aren't the only factors; a lot of culture can happen just by chance, in ways that are practically impossible to predict.

>inb4 "physics is deterministic"

>>6585833
Ugh.
The same rule apply, buddy friend.

You could eventually say everything that we experience is biological, any culture, thoughts, feeling, blahbity blah is biological, since everything we experience is biological, genes and so forth.

But that is extremely redundant.
It seems you have some issue with hippies and their non-understanding of the world, it's the wrong place to chase such arguments, you're beating a dead straw horse.
Chill the fuck out scienceman.

>>6585843
>Environment and biology aren't the only factors
Name one more.

Chance isn't a factor that influences this, it's just a fact that we can't determine how these two factors will play out.

>>6585846
>But that is extremely redundant.
But true.

>It seems you have some issue with hippies and their non-understanding of the world
You read me like a book, buddy friend.

>>6585853
>You read me like a book, buddy friend.
That was just an indirect empathetic handshake, guyman.

>but true
Been through that phase, #itgetsbetter

>>6585859
I hope so. Thanks for the understanding.

Culture

>>6585890
see
>>6585799

>>6585893
/pol/ go home

Bell Curve is known bullshit

>>6585894
HHEY GUYS GENES RE A SCOAIAL STRUCTURE
EVEYRIHING IS THE SAEM EXCEPT INTELLIGENCE, THE BRAIN DOESN"T HAVE GENES SILLY BOYS

>>6585894
You're stupid.

tfw got those juicy jewish brain genes

>>6585905
prove it

>>6585698
>Ashkenazi Jews
jews have strong family values. thats why many are successful in many fields. their families know education is important, so they support their children through the education process more than other people, who either lack a strong family unite, or who have a strong family unite but dont value education as highly.

its that or a combination of them being the choosen people + controlling the world. your pick.

>>6587957
>jews have strong family values.

They have an insular religious culture. Jews hate their family, the mother is particularly hated and feared, especially by sons.

>get monies
>convince stupid goy to do shit for you because you have monies
>anything good they do, keep it, anything bad, tell them to keep trying
>loan money for free to other Jews, charge stupid goy outrageous percents (literally in the Torah)
>cut off parts of your kids penises so they'll obey culture better from lack of pair bonding, and they'll do it to their kids too
>when its found as a marker, force it on the stupid goy but keep the culture
>progressively remove financial mobility from stupid goy by illegally acquiring cheaper labor and substandard material
>goy throw EVEN MORE money at you because you can't mistrust people with money and power

Well I guess there used to be a lot of middle class Jewish people, until the genocide...

Maybe today's Jews are overrepresented in highly intellectual fields because the only Jews who managed to escape Europe before the genocide were the already rich ones and they managed to maintain their level wealth until today. So the rich/middle class ration seems higher for Jews than for white people because the Nazis got rid of a lot of middle class Jews.

Could be an explanation.

>>6585905

tfw got that juicy gentile foreskin