/sci/ - Science & Math

why wouldn't it be considered a science?

>>6551652
Engineering.

>>6551652
>>6551660
>>6551662

>>6551652
Jerking it to your rock collection

>>6551668
what is a "real" science? studying the Earth doesn't apply now? it's not the hardest discipline out there, but it is a science.

"Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe"
If you aren't doing some science
then you cannot be doing any geology

>>6551652
>If geology is not a science
It is, though. Sorry to burst your bubble.

>what is geology ?
Applied physics.

>>6551671
As far as I gather, there is no real understanding in geology, it's just observing what has happened on earth and using it to predict similar behaviour other places. As such there doesn't seem to be much room for theoretical predictions like the Higgs boson. Without a theoretical framework, it's just birdwatching.

>>6551671
Exactly, so even setting out to have this discussion is to be considered troll action.

>>6551671
>studying rocks
>not the hardest science

it's a method of observation.

>>6551776
>>6551696

Isn't all science fundamentally observing something and trying to understand it?

>>6551696
>it's just observing what has happened on earth and using it to predict similar behavior other places
That's science. And there is theory in there, plate tectonics is a big one.

>>6551696
Birdwatching is also science.

It's a form of ecology.

>>6551696
Here's a prediction: If I find any exposed strata of rock that no one has ever documented before, the layers that date the furthest back will always be located at the bottom with successively younger layers built on top. The only exceptions to this will be where strata have been upended or overturned, in which case the same pattern will play out just in a different direction.

Anyone who falls for that Ken Ham "historical science is different" bullshit deserves to be mocked.

>>6551652

>Geology (from the Greek γῆ, gē, i.e. "earth" and -λoγία, -logia, i.e. "study of, discourse"[1][2]) is the science comprising the study of solid Earth, the rocks of which it is composed, and the processes by which they change. Geology can also refer generally to the study of the solid features of any celestial body (such as the geology of the Moon or Mars).
> is the science comprising the study of solid Earth
> is the science
>science

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Stamp collecting.

As a geologist I approve of this thread.
Geology does in fact make predictions based on evidence. A good example of this is in minerals and resource exploration.
When people say Geology isn't science, I ask them how they think oil and ground water is discovered. Then I point out that observations lead to predictions being made (Salt dome often means oil underneath for various reasons). Those predictions are then tested and verified countless times.

So, when people say "Geology isn't a science" I always laugh and ignore them for it.

If it isn't science, I have no idea what the fuck I am doing.

>>6555586
Birdwatching with pebbles.

>>6555586
This picture and beer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q29578ZF_7o

>>6551711
>studying rocks
Jesus Christ, Marie.

>>6551652
>If geology is not a science
It's not exactly correct to say that geology is not a science.

More precisely, geology is the application of other sciences to specifically studying the Earth.

>>6555619
If you put it that way, the only two real sciences are physics and chemistry.

Oh biology is just the application of other sciences to specifically studying organisms.

Oh astronomy is just the application of other sciences to specifically studying space.

Daily reminder that The Big Bang Theory is not funny and never will be.

Geology is absolutely science, so don't quote a shitty show to make a shitty thread.

>>6555631
Physics and chemistry are certainly what dictates what is going on in geology. Then of course we got what we see out in the field and in the lab. This shit is complicated since you can have so many things going on. For example, go back to >>6555586 . Look at the Yb/Gd. There is quite a bit of ways to look at why it is changing through time. As it stands now, we can't know for certain what is going down in magmatic bodies without drilling into them all over, if they still exist. Most of the data I collect is from stuff from the now eroded magmatic bodies.

Geology to me is beautiful since it is so complicated and pretty.

>>6555631
>If you put it that way, the only two real sciences are physics and chemistry.
I never said that geology isn't a "real" science. It's "real", but it's not a very pure and fundamental science.

>Oh biology is just the application of other sciences to specifically studying organisms.
But the separation between biology and physics&chem is much greater than the separation between geology and physics&chem.
A lot of the results of geology stem directly from physics.
In biology, however, you obviously can't derive things like evolution and genetics directly from physical principles.

>Oh astronomy is just the application of other sciences to specifically studying space.
Astrophysics, astrogeology, etc. can be thought of as specializations of physics, geology, etc.
They are specialized sciences, similarly to geology itself.

>>6555713
This is an interesting map.
Stratiographic maps are some of my favorite things to look at though.

>>6555555

if geology isn't a science then biology and a bunch of other things aren't as well

>>6551652
Its a weird hobby, just like biology.

Allow to restate OP's troll post in general form:

If <false statment> than <meaningless question based on first statment being true, which it isn't>

>>6551696
>physicists?
>Go outside, look at rocks then try to explain with numbers.

>>6555586
I want you physicists to explain to me this because clearly I don't do science. It's from my bachelor thesis.

>>6558264
This looks like ChemE shit.
The top-left and top-right graphs are composition graphs, of how many x are there per y. I don't into salsatequila language, but it looks like the dividing lines are phases of the rocks or something.

>>6558264
>science = graphs + jargon

>>6558264

The best part of this is that it's written in spanish and there are beans on the graph. 10/10

>>6558288
Really? The "composicion geoquimica de volcanismo" part in the caption didn't tell you exactly what it is?

>>6555503
>only posting arguments from others to prove your point (argument from assertion)
>some dude wrote this article in Wikipedia so it must be true
>being this gullible

>>6551652
If shitposting is not allowed, WHY ARE YOU HERE?

>>6551687
Elaborate further.

>>6558373
If you can't explain your point, why are you here?

>>6558289
What is science ?

>>6558264
>>6555586 here...
At least some of the words are easy enough get. I also think you should of asked for a chemist. This sort of stuff should be up their alley since we're working with solidified lava which was a liquid solution of a shit load of stuff that tells us about the magma's formation and evolution before it erupted out. Anyways...

a) Hawker diagram showing that this volcano is plotting in the field of rhyolite. Pretty felsic.

b) For the plot itself, I'm not sure why they didn't name the axes SiO2 / FeO+MgO+any other Fe or Mg mineral that I am forgetting. I don't think there is any... Either way, it doesn't have much of the FeO+MgO minerals. Make sense since the rocks already plots pretty felsic. Not sure what comendita means though.

c) Another Hawker diagram. It's still plotting in the comendita area.

d) REE plot. LREE on the left and the HREE on the right. The concentrations are normalized to chondrite. Makes sense considering this is a volcanic rock. Though, the HREE seems kind of flat.

e) I'm quite sure this is a spider diagram but I haven't seen this type before. Either way, LIL should be from Cs to Ba and the HFS are from Th to Lu.

I might have gotten some stuff wrong but either way, neat. I believe this volcano is in Italy so I'm not quite sure how those volcanoes exactly work. I can more or less tell you the story about North America but Europe? No idea.

>>6558338
It's Italian. If it isn't, I'll toss myself into a volcano.

>>6558448
>It's Italian. If it isn't, I'll toss myself into a volcano.
It isn't.

>>6558378
if you honestly can't understand his point, you should just fucking kill yourself.

and if you do understand but respond that way anyhow, you should fucking kill yourself.

>>6558373
If shitposting is not allowed, why are any of us here?