/sci/ - Science & Math

>>6521841

I don't get it either, everyone knows geology rocks.

>>6521847
nah man. Geology is for stoners.

>>6521841
geology is the odd-ball in natural sciences. same goes for environmental science

>>6521841
> Chemistery

>>6521841
>biology
>science and math

no

Physics is best pony

>>6521853
W-what about g-geophysics?

>chemistery
its a mystery for you OP, because you're dumb

>>6521841
One of the children isn't labeled. Dumb shit pleb high school faget.

>>6521847
... but oceanography gets me so moist.

>>6521867
>biology
>not science
I bet you are part of the vaccine deniers party too.

>>6521841
Biology should be halfway between Geology and Math.
Chemistry should be halfway between Biology and Math.
Physics and Math should be twins, with Physics sitting slightly to the front of Math.

>>6523160
More math in biology than in geology ? Seriously ?

>>6523239
Please tell me what kind of math there is in geology.

>>6521841
Geologist here, it's cause we like being out in the field

>>6523241
Geophysics

>>6523246
good one

>>6523247
But biology has things like population growth models and stuff.
Also, it's placed closer to math not because it actually uses more math, but because it's a more active and more relevant field in today's world.

>>6523251
>it's a more active and more relevant field in today's world
I feel like I'm being baited here, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologist#Areas_of_specialization

>>6523251
Guy geology its :
- Sismology
- Magnetism
- Gravimetry
- Mechanics
- Optics
- Geodesy
- Stats
- Electrics
and other shit

>>6523253
How does this prove that geology is more active and relevant than biology?

>>6523133
No. The vast amount of Biology is just pure conjecture based on conjecture backed up with plausibility arguments. There are of frighting few real biological physicists that actually use mathematics to describe what's going on and preform experiments to verify it.

It's garbage no better than philosophy really.

>>6523340
>preform
>Biology no better than philosophy

Molecular Genetics here, at least I'll have a future in employment.

>>6523294
Did you drive a car today? Live in a house? Drink some water? Use a computer? Take advantage of electricity? How bout breathe some air, did you do that?

Geology has a hand in nearly facet of your life.
>Did you drive a car today?
Runs on gas that a petroleum geologist prospected
>Live in a house?
An environmental geologist inspected the underlying strata to make sure that the area was geologically safe for construction.
>Drink some water?
Hydrogeologists find groundwater and study it to ensure its safety for consumption
>Use a computer?
Made from metals and elements that were prospected by a geologist
>Take advantage of electricity?
Power plants run on coal prospected by a geologist, nuclear materials prospected by a geologist, or from a hydroelectric dam that was okayed to build there by an engineering geologist.

I'm not saying geology is more important than biology, I'm saying it's just as important as biology. Just as biology studies living organisms geology studies the ground and environments those living organisms live upon. How those creatures live, migrate, evolve, and die is affected by the geology of their landscape. The quality of your life is affected by geology.

>>6523350
extremely tenuous. stop being embarrassing and accept your place.

If bio, chem or physics resorted to that level of self-aggrandisement their picks would be orders of magnitude more impressive.

>>6523344
>pointing out a letter swap mistake
>majoring in a jobless field

>>>/lit/ is that way

>>6523344
>Molecular genetics
>Future employment

Pick one.

>>6523350
>Runs on gas that a petroleum geologist prospected

You mean Petroleum Engineers prospected

>An environmental geologist inspected the underlying strata to make sure that the area was geologically safe for construction.

You mean Civil Engineers surveyed

>Hydrogeologists find groundwater and study it to ensure its safety for consumption

You mean Environmental Engineers studied and Chemical Engineers cleaned

>Made from metals and elements that were prospected by a geologist

More like Mining Engineers

>Power plants run on coal prospected by a geologist, nuclear materials prospected by a geologist, or from a hydroelectric dam that was okayed to build there by an engineering geologist.

Expect those were Mining, Nuclear, & Civil Engineers.

>>6523357
>tripfag
>telling someone else not to self-aggrandize

Geology is the application of math, physics, chemistry and biology as it pertains to physical processes on Earth and other planets.

I've never understood why /sci/ has such a difficult time grasping this concept

>>6523377
In order to do their thing, engineers have to know where to look first.

>>6523350
>Take advantage of electricity?
>Did you drive a car today?

Gee thanks geology for finding fossil fuels for us, You've done a great favour for the world

>Live in a house?
My house is 100 years old, I doubt a geologist inspected shit.

>Drink some water?
Don't pretend like water is a product of geologists, humans have literally been drinking water since forever.

>Use a computer?
Another thing geologists didn't invent, don't pretend that you did, no one believes it.

>>6523386
Most of /sci/ never goes outside, so it's not a big surprise that they have a limited understanding of the world they live one. Out of sight, out of mind.

>>6523377
You clearly know fuck all about what engineers do.

>>6523340
bioinformatics here, get fucked.

>>6523389
The ground is a good place to start.

Geology is the most 'impure' of sciences so it will always be looked down on. Muh purity and all that.

Geology draws on ideas from Physics, Chemistry, Biology, and uses mathematical concepts to explain various interactions. Often times Engineering and Geology are pretty close together, with no better example then mining engineering.

Personally, I love Geology, especially Earth History. It combines all of the theories and applies them to what is actually observed on Earth. I get out in the field, hike around, explore and find new outcrops. When I take what I've found back to the lab, I examine and determine what it is, and if we're talking fossils here, I do statistical analyses on said fossils to determine relationships. Then I get to theorize and develop hypotheses on these relationships.

With Geology, I get to experience the entire scientific process, from getting my hands dirty in the field to writing original research and experimenting in the lab.

Tl dr; Geology can be as interesting and challenging as the major STEM fields, if you give it a chance.

>>6523446
There's a lot of ground to cover, do you know what you're looking for?

>>6523419
Not that anon, but I work with a lot of them every day, and even I know fuck all about what they do.

(I don't mean that in a good way. Seriously, they take two hour lunch breaks and mostly just screw things up for those of us who work in the real-time environment.)

>>6521841 (OP)

I don't think anyone really looks down on geology. It's just much more specific than the others, with discoveries that aren't shocking/easy to sensationalize.

>>6523455

Your insight falls upon death ears, /sci/ only cares about pure math , and sometimes applied math & physics, and god forbid engineering.

>>6523486
>discoveries that aren't shocking/easy to sensationalize
Any time geologists say a volcano is about to erupt people tend to freak out.

But yeah, you're right for the most part. Nobody gives a shit about the earth they stand on until it's about to kill them, despite the geologists over in the corner muttering nonstop about >muh slope gradient >muh VEI >muh benioff seismic zone >muh subsidence rates.

>>6523483
>Can't even comprehend an engineer's role in the worklplace

Get off this board you fucking stupid pleb.

>>6523455
Are you a paleontologist?

>>6523541

Yeah, never really outgrew Dinosaurs... Though vertebrate paleontology is kind of a dead end in a museum. Invertebrates are where it's at!

>>6523547
Like, actual "i-have-a-degree-AND-a-paying-job" paleontologist? I did a few paleontology independent researches in my undergrad (Holocene diatoms and Paleozoic sharks), I wasn't very impressed overall.

>>6523547
Micropaleontology is where it's really at.

>>6523559
I hear that oil companies pay top dollar for geologists who know how to utilize microfossils like forams and diatoms, but it's so dull compared to even other fields in petroleum geology even if the little buggers are neat to look at.

>>6523554

Yeah, though no surprise, it's a teaching position, where I also do research. You really have to find a topic you like. My area of interest lies in the rise of metazoans, and life's origins in general.

>>6523559

Very true, Conodonts, diatoms, and pretty much anything that can serve as climate proxies are popular these days.

>>6523565

If you don't mind the work load, the cool thing is most companies will support your independent research in topics outside microfossils, so long as you also perform the tasks they ask for.

>>6523340
>every single "-omics" field and bioinformatics
>population studies
>molecular biology
>chemical biology

>>6523566
It's pretty cool that you get to do research on the side. My paleontology professor told me there's only about eight new paleontology jobs in the US every year, and I know from hanging out with a bunch of paleontologists at GSA that that's primarily because the older bastards aren't letting go until they die. I figured I didn't have the necessary autismic drive to compete, so I've focused my attention more on coastal and environmental geology as a result.

>>6523386
because /sci/ is filled with insecure undergrads who only chose their fields out of a desire for money or a misinformed idea of what that field actually entails. As such any field that they didn't choose must be attacked such that they feel that their decisions were correct.

>>6523581
Wtf im from france, its around 2-3 jobs per year for my little country ( and only for researcher, he dont count works in oil companies )

>>6523571
>>6523565
The vast majority of paleontological work done for oil companies is short contract. Very few are actually salaried employees. There are plenty of paleontologists out there for the demand, and more than enough are competent micropaleontologists. To anyone considering a career in paleontology, it is a very academic subject and employment prospects are rather bleak.

>>6523589
Well, he may have been exaggerating. I doubt there's ONLY eight new paleo research jobs in all of the US each year, but the field's pretty limited in jobs and competition is fierce. Plus if my undergrad studies were anything to go by, paleontology is 80% labwork and 20% fieldwork, 2% of which is actually finding something to get excited about. Three weeks just washing sieves looking for shark teeth... didn't even find any. Found lungfish skin though!

>>6523597
>it is a very academic subject and employment prospects are rather bleak.
That's what my impression was. Maybe I'll return to it later when I'm an old fuddy-duddy. For now I'm focusing on finding a mudlogging job, then I'm going back to grad school to... I don't know. Maybe coastal? Maybe environmental? Maybe stick with petroleum (although who knows how long this boom will last)?

That's the problem with geology, there's too many friggin' subdisciplines. I still have no idea what I want to focus on, even though I'm graduating in two days. I needed more time, dammit!

>>6523611
Better go in mineral ressources than go in petroleum imo.

>>6523628
Don't offer advice on subjects that you know nothing about.

>>6523648
But i know this

>>6523658
A paleontological education lends itself much more readily to a job in the petroleum industry rather than mining.

>>6523688
Ah yes, forgot u have a paleontological education, i said that for a geological one.

>>6523724
I am not the person who previously mentioned their paleontology education. I do however have a fundamental understanding of invertebrate paleontology.

>>6523688
>the petroleum industry rather than mining.
they're the same damn thing.
we mine coal, we mine gas, we mine oil, we mine shale.

energy is just a part of mining.

>>6523611
>Maybe I'll return to it later when I'm an old fuddy-duddy.
this is what most of us do.
retire in grand scale from industry and then play with fossils as a hobby.

academia is for suckers and stress addicts.

Geofag here. I'll graduate soon. Should I go for oil related fields or do I go with my favorite of igneous and metamorphic geochemistry for my masters?

>>6523367
Are you trying to say that in order to move forward and become more intelligent cumulatively as a race, we won't need molecular genetics in the near future?