/sci/ - Science & Math

>>6398031
The problem is that you are interacting with other people, not that they are doing science.

>>6398031

Well son, your English is shit too.

Find people who can speak your language(s).

Alternatively, try learning a common one like Chinese so you don't have to deal with that bullshit.

>>6398036
yes, and?

>>6398031
south asians
>indians?

>>6398031
>50-60% native american
They are a studious bunch.

where do you go to school?

most accredited universities in the US require basic English proficiency for domestic and international students.

>>6398031
>Does 'diversity' have a place in science?
Obviously. It's an international effort. Don't ask dumb questions.

I don't understand why you're experiencing these problems in communication. Is it possible that the positions at your uni don't attract that many applicants? I mean, why else would your PI hire students who are clearly incapable of speaking and writing English?

>>6398031
thats shits annoying. ive also had to work with people who can barely talk English (English isnt even my first language but I learned it to be able to communicate professionally), I don't know why they cant take that into account when determining where people do what research. i mean im not going to go to the middle of china or somewhere while only knowing 3 words to do research there.

at least when its face to face you can ask them what they mean, but the written reports i had to decipher was hell.

diversity is good if you can communicate (work together) and everyone is sufficiently competent.

Diversity definitely has a place in science. It's not like labs hire foreign grad students to be 'diverse', its so that insights and techniques from other countries can make their way into their lab. This also encourages collaborations with other labs rather than bitter rivalries that make data sharing more difficult.

You're right that their English is often absymal, though, especially the Chinese. They probably got lucky in that they applied for a position not a lot of others with similar technical skills but better communication skills wanted.

>>6398031
I'm in France, and profs or students that don't speak English well or French are our education's worst enemies. Seriously. I know they're here only to say our school is open to foreign students and researchers.

>>6398069
in the real world, it doesn't work because the first condition is never met.

>>6398031
Isn't this a question for science to answer?

Set up a bunch research groups of varying homogeneity and establish metrics to grade the quality of their work.

Science is inherently an international and hence multilingual effort. We all have to work with people who speak primarily other languages, there's no way around it. That said, I'm totally familiar with those types of difficulties.

>>6398114
>Set up a bunch research groups of varying homogeneity and establish metrics to grade the quality of their work.

Even a totally homogeneous research group will have to be very familiar with the work of foreign groups working in the same field.

>>6398062
When they're not drunk or raping their women

>>6398063
They do, but the process for verifying proficiency is inherently flawed. OP's dilemma with southeast Asians matches this article's observations, too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/education/edlife/the-china-conundrum.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

In this case? Its obviously a tangible impediment to what everyones supposed to be doing, but >>6398116 is kinda right, though it is debatable. It depends a bit on the other specifics of the situation. Regardless I do think going to school in a different nation should require matched proficiency in its/one of its main language/s
Ive never understood modern cultures obsession with diversity. It makes no sense. Note, im not some /pol/ racist, I dont really have issue with other cultures unless theres some specific thing that gives -good- reason to generally disapprove. But all diversity does is cause the involved cultures to homogenize over time. Diversity does far more to destroy other cultures than intolerance, not that aimless xenophobia is good. "Asian" or "middle eastern" kids born more than 1 or 2 generations down the line in america are good examples.
On this note, I ask /sci/, why this is the case? Why?

>>6398206

well, obviously mixing sometimes causes homogenization.

sometimes homogenization allows for greater uniformity and transmits beneficial ideas between cultures.

sometimes it ultimately reduces cultural diversity.

probably some balance is necessary between uniformity, separation, and diversity.

>why

why do cultures homogenize?
primarily driver is economic benefit.
expanded trade relations is good motivation for getting to know one another better, and adopting each others' customs.

>>6398206
>"Asian" or "middle eastern" kids born more than 1 or 2 generations down the line in america are good examples.
That's hardly destroying culture. I mean, Asia and the Middle East still exist regardless of a few emigrants adapting to the culture of their new coutry.

>>6398063

Yeah but they don't check at all. My Chemistry program was about half chinese people who didn't speak english well enough to read the notes. The professor was forced to put chinese notes on the website too.

>>6398031
no, science is too important and should be the exception and immune to any kind of political interference

the rule should be ruthless practicality, always

If you want to figure out why women hate STEM so much and fix that, go right ahead, I want real answers to that too, but if it gets to the point where you grab some poor asian nerd who isn't successful in life anywhere except science and tell him "hey, asshole, you don't got a vaj, you're not black enough, I'll be taking that scholarship and giving it Jamal even though he has lower grades" then I'm going to have to stop you there.

>>6398296
>jfw nobody likes jamal
;_;

>>6398390
jamal can still get in DeVry

>>6398031
I have a few Chinese colleges from Beijing who speak English well. They also happen to come from the wealthiest families ... in the country.

They're not chosen for the sake of diversity alone, they're chosen because the academic culture of those areas makes them good lab monkeys. They do things without asking questions and to the specifics of what the PI wants. The diversity part really only comes down to getting grants.

Protip: Chinese cheat and bribe. They generally see nothing wrong with this and find it strange that westerners have a problem with it.

Universities don't care because it makes them look good on paper.

Brain drain makes America great!

>>6398296
That's disgusting and outrageous.

Whites and Asians are getting robbed while quality suffers. All sacrificed at the altar of "diversity".

No, "diversity" as such does not have a place in science. If there is sufficient reason to do something and you're not just pushing an agenda, you don't need to motivate it with buzzwords.

>>6398031
Stop being an anti-semite / racist / shitlord / transphobe

>>6400560
you can just say "hatin' " in that case.

This isn't science related
>>>/pol/
Please stop shitposting

>>6400535
This stuff happens because of a very simple, yet completely wrong, belief:
If you try to make people perform at an academic level that is imply beyond them, they eventually will.
This is just naive. If someone just absolutely couldn't do something earlier, he can't do it if you force him, and probably never will.

>>6398031
Do I smell jealousy OP?