/sci/ - Science & Math

Forever is intangible.

but Yes.

define particle

>>6397478
unfortunately yes

>>6397478

Don't atom bombs create a consideration for that rule? I.e. I thought they turned atoms into energy.

>>6397487
they just convert one form of energy into another, none is truly lost

"You are nothing but stardust!"

Can't find the comic, but there is this strip where "evil Carl Sagan" is saying out to a kid that molecule in his body were once in Hitlers ass.

gu-guys, conscience is energy... isn't?

>inb4 conscience doesn't exist, go back to /x/, define conscience, etc.

>>6397501
your question makes no sense

please sage your posts if you have more like it

>>6397487
Matter is a form of energy

>>6397509
isn't everything in the universe a form of energy?

>>6397519
Yup

>>6397501
yes and you will live forever, but the bad news is, your personality is not a whole thing, but modular and fractioned. 'your' consience will, after you die, dissolve into millions and millions of 'conscience-quanta', a good deal of which will be shared in the future by hookers, criminals, worms, shit bacteria and food industry pigs.

>>6397523
What about anti-matter

WOOOOAAAAAHHH

>>6397581
anti-matter is not a form of energy?

>"The 1st Law of Thermodyamics simply states that energy can be neither created nor destroyed"

not exactly, this is conservation of energy, they are different concepts.

>This means that the particles that are building my body are going to exist forever?

no. Particles have energy, they aren't energy.

>>6397478
Sorta, in a drawn out way. They won't remain as particles. The energy that defines the particle will be the same, not the particles themselves will be preserved

Particles that enter the body and leave the body do not maintain the same macromolecule or molecular structure. The same elements or so. Even then "exist forever" includes a time of the end or blackholes or something. If elements were to degrade into energy, the energy were to still be conserved.

>>6397604
the first law is conservation of energy.

>>6397581
Also a form of energy. How else would we make it in particle accelerators?

>>6397613
not really, they are similar in form but they are different statements. The first law in axiomatic thermodynamics can be thought more as a definition of heat. Mechanical energy is not conserved and thus we define the difference as heat.

You cannot talk about conservation of energy in axiomatic thermo because there is absolutely no way to know or define the total energy a priori.

The actual conservation of total energy in a physical theory is a different statement arising from noether's theorem under some (not necessarily true in actuality) assumptions.

>>6397648
so conservation of energy in Newtonian mechanics is not conservation of energy because its an assumption and not derived from noether's theorem?

>>6397653
conservation of energy in newtonian mechanics, whenever it applies, it's derived from noether's theorem, not assumed.

>>6397655
>implying Newtonian mechanics wast used hundreds of years before noethers was born

>>6397658
>implying that the standard proof of conservation of mechanical energy isn't just a simplification of a special case of noether's theorem
>implying this changes anything about conservation being assumed or derived

>>6397648
>autism

>>6397478
>The 1st Law of Thermodyamics simply states that energy can be neither created nor destroyed
Mmmmno.
Lrn2thermodynamix

In quantum mechanics, energy conservation can be violated on short time scales. Look up "time-energy uncertainty principle."

>>6397501
>Conscience
You mean an inner feeling or voice viewed as acting as a guide to the rightness or wrongness of one's behavior? No, that's not energy.

>>6397773
isn't energy used to 'create' it?

>>6397478
No, because your body is not equilibrium system.

>>6397777
I was making a joke because I think what that guy meant was consciousness.

Particles decay. Even protons. I guess the quarks inside you will keep existing though.

>>6397777
Consciousness is an event. The energy that causes it doesn't come from nowhere, nor does it stop existing afterwards.