/sci/ - Science & Math

>>6343289

Actually it's quite refreshing.

To know that any day could be your last... It put things in perspective... Allows one to take... Inventory of their life.

You'll get over it, OP.

>>6343289

>>6343289
There's nothing we can do about it so there's no point worrying about it.

>>6343289
S'how it goes.

Also, humans have only really built up things for tens of thousands of years at best. Human civilization is a spec of dust compared to the universe. The entire Homo genus is a spec of dust compared to the span of complex life on Earth.

It does give me comfort, however. If Australopithecus could give way to modern man in 3.5mya, then given similar conditions, sapience may rise again in a very short period of time, relatively...

>>6343307
>what are redundancies

>>6343289
I've said it before on here but this is why we need to create virtual human brains/AI and stick them into robots to carry on our species' legacy even if environmental conditions become unfavorable.

That or genetically engineer really tough biological bodies.

It's comforting, I think.

No matter how bad I fuck up. No matter how bad the world fucks up, the universe will keep doing its own thing. In the grand scheme of things, our little lives mean nothing, and I think that's pretty relaxing.

>All of the Earth in ash clouds, all its history, culture, heritage gone forever. Everything we humans have built up for hundreds of thousands of years vanished, just like that. Every story every living person has, lost into space.

It's always interesting to see how these things are of concern and value to society, when in the pre-humanism they were considered unimportant and ultimately irrelevant (which they kind of are, as >>6343322 pointed out).

However, schools that are a priori aren't concerned with that as much. Even everyone who knows about the communicative property of addition dies, that won't change anything in terms of mathematics. Similarly, if humans who know any degree of geology die -- or even if the earth is destroyed outright -- that won't alter the principle of superposition in any way.

Medieval thinkers shared a very similar perspective to yours, OP, but with more optimism. The laws of god -- the divine laws of his design; the logic of the universe -- will inevitably prevail over man-made laws and histories: the wars, the crimes, the lies, etc..

>>6343289
Nothing we can do about it. Just keep on truckin.

>>6343398
>>6343307
Attitudes like this make me ill. Luddites.

>>6343289
>It is quite scary actually
Why? Who gives a shit?

Everything will be lost during heatdeath anyways.

>>6343526
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_an_expanding_universe

This is the most ominous article on Wikipedia.

>>6343542
kinda makes me sick to my stomache

>>6343289
>Everything we have ever known can be destroyed,

Voyager one will live on.

>>6343555
stomach too

>>6343358
I was posting about that a couple months ago.

Basically these highly intelligent robots will be able to go on standby for millions of years as they travel through space, looking for a suitable planet. Then they can land on the planet and create humans from DNA they have stored.

Or maybe the robots will just do their own thing. They'll live forever and have forever to build whatever they need to build to do whatever it is they want to do. What could robots make in 1 millions years? A death star like creation?

The standby mod means A robot person, could just sleep, and in a blink of an eye, millions of years could go by, so the robot wouldn't have to wait, consciously, for the creation to be built.

>>6343400
They don't mean 'fuck science, we're dead anyway', just, we can't stop all of creation from fucking up, and odds are if a gamma ray burst hits Earth it'll be boned. Way I see it, the solution is to have enough shit away from Earth just in case. If anything, it's more incentive to spread out so we aren't all fucked the next time the Sun or some other star forgets to hold a towel over its' cock

>>6343564
Yeah I figure that they'll kind of just use their own hyper-intelligent judgement in deciding what kind of shit they want to do. If they believe an advanced biological substrate is more suited to intergalactic life, they will engineer an organism as such. We just need to trust them, as our ancestors trust us.

Of course, if they believe that their existence really isn't worth perpetuating, then they'll just extinguish themselves, but if they're truly modeled in our neurological image (though with greatly expanded capacities) I don't think that'll happen. Ultimately though, it's important to accept the transient nature of existence, but that shouldn't be an argument against self-preservation.

If we get wiped out by a single random cosmic event then we probably aren't worth remembering anyway.

Hey OP, there's still Voyager 1 & 2. And all the radio signals we've sent into space will keep going. Not all that easy to completely erase all evidence of our existence. Chill out.

>>6343526
heatdeath is just a speculation

>>6343289
no that voyager thing survives

Perhaps no one in five billion years will ever come upon them. Five billion years is a long time. In five billion years, all human beings will have become extinct or evolved into other beings, none of our artifacts will have survived on Earth, the continents will have become unrecognizably altered or destroyed, and the evolution of the Sun will have burned the Earth to a crisp or reduced it to a whirl of atoms.
Far from home, untouched by these remote events, the Voyagers, bearing the memories of a world that is no more, will fly on.

wait so everyone talking about the universe ending

>how can it possibly end
>why did it start
>why was it there in the first place
>how can something like the universe really have a timeline
>why is there really a universe in the first place

as much as we are insignificant in the cosmic scale, we have that significance that we exist, we are here, when the universe is alive. If we are truly alone, then this entire universe's product was US, THIS PLANET

>>6343755
this is why I refuse to believe in anything other than the Big Crunch, because it allows for another Universe to be created, and if that is true, how many trillion universes would have existed before us, each with only a few planets with intelligent life (or maybe just one, like many of us think, or maybe billions).

I didn't want this feel. How soul crushing.

>>6343768
> believing because you like the implications
Get the fuck out.

Which would be theoretically better for our distant ancestors? Eternal oscillating universe or heat death flat universe?

Could one theoretically travel continuously beyond the "crunch" horizon in the oscillating universe to escape destruction?

And would we be possibly able to manufacture atomic structures which will never degenerate?

>>6343938
yeah i know its really unscientific, but there isn't much study or data available on this topic

>>6343768
>Being afraid of entropy

>>6343944
http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm

I know
>Science fiction

But its still a good story and its related to the subject.

>>6343955

Thanks but already read it, captain. Love Asimov's work, currently reading through the Robot series.

What the fuck, why would you post that

When there is a problem, where there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING we can do about it, why worry about it?

still this is going to keep me up at night

wtf

its completely out of my control so worrying about it is just a waste. If it happens it happens.

>>6343958
Oldfag here. You can die at any time for essentially no reason. Just completely unpredictable random events you have no involvement in. A plane can fall on your house. Someone can shoot up your school or workplace. These things happen.
Accept that you're going to die. Intellectually you understand that you will, but emotionally you haven't made peace with the idea. It's not that hard, though. Think of it as going to join tens of thousands of generations of your ancestors. Our Earth is the tomb of all mankind, is it not?

>>6343955
most overrated work of science fiction ever.

That's why humanity has to do its best to reach at least level 1 as a civilization.

>mfw we actually thought alien life could understand this

>>6343967
I like your post, it makes me feel like I should be fine with failure of becoming immortal.

>>6344027
How do you understand any of that anyway?

>>6344027
if they are intelligent to grab a small capsule floating through space, they will be able to figure it out.

>>6345732
Samefagging.
But then again, I'm kind of young so immortality will happen in my lifetime.

The effect of this achievement will be that everyone will be immortal but will fear violence and accidents a lot more because they will understand the sad irony of dying while immortal. Because of this, research and the accidental death prevention market will explode.
That's badass.

>>6345744
I guess if you stare at pulsars long enough you start to see the pattern
The bottom and right seem pretty obvious.
It shows that it came from the third rock from the sun.

>>6345744
the first symbol is a hyperfine translation of hydrogen, the one below it is 14 pulsars or some shit, the bottom shows our solar system with trajectory of the craft, and the humans are obvious

What's more disturbing is that we can send a spaceship to another star and the parts will turn to dust by the time it gets there.

Without FTL we truly will die in this stupid solar system.

>>6345754
hey

>>6344027
>tfw it will drift unseen through space for billions of years until the universe goes dark or implodes in on itself

>>6345754
We don't need FTL I think because I believe there are habitable planets in the closest star system from us.
If you can reach close to the speed of light, you can get there by spacecraft in four years.

>>6345764

>No known way to get "close to FTL" besides brute force.

Just remember, half the fuel has to be used to slow down. Even if we can achieve 0.2c which means we average 0.1c for the trip it will still take 43 years to reach the nearest star.

>>6345747
>>6345732
Immortality is the scariest thing because of the chance that it may be proven something will happen when you die, whereas you're stuck in your body forever.

I don't even necessarily mean religious, but even something like "minds are a property of electrons and you can fly around freely as a cloud of electrons once your body stops holding you back" or something. Meanwhile, you'll be a meatblob forever while all the dead people have fun.

>>6343967
>Our Earth is the tomb of all mankind, is it not?
I'll make it my mission then for Earth not to be the final tomb for all our species

>>6344027
>It still includes Pluto
Welp

>>6343289
Keep in mind, though, that the Sun has kept burning for several billions years without blowing up. It's a two billion billion billion ball of hot gas. It's not exactly temperamental.

The Sun has basically no chance of blowing up randomly for the next few billion years.

Earth's pretty hard to destroy, too.

>>6345904
Not necessarily, it's not like your head was severed and you still continued to live indefinetely. It's more along the lines of "you'll never die of old age, but accidents, injuries and suicide can still work on you".

>>6345942
while the planet is hard to destroy, we are not.