/sci/ - Science & Math

Can we replicate the results?
No
Is there solid evidence?
No
Is there anecdotal evidence?
Yes

But, yes they are UFO's. Past that we cannot really say much.

>>6337702
>anecdotal evidence

Using that argument, all of history is anecdotal evidence and not worth considering seriously.

Also, you can "replicate" it but that will involve going to the San Luis valley(if your in colorado like me) and video taping the night sky.

>>6337702
Also, if you looked up what I posted, you'd realize that they are more than just undefined objects in the sky.

>>>/x/
>That's the true spirit of science, right?
you mean hours of lab work?

Yup and each time most likely there were human beings inside those

>>6337736
Human beings flying ships made by human beings
>big deal

The only things people have ever seen were lights in the sky.

I saw lights in the sky that could definitely be described like a UFO, above my city one day, they moved erratically and fast, I remember they were green, and certainly not a plane or anything else, and moved very quickly away.

If that was an alien spacecraft why would they cloak but show up lights? I have no fucking clue what I saw that day but I dont think it was an alien spacecraft

>>6337708
>all of history is anecdotal evidence and not worth considering seriously
But it is.
What, you think history majors are scientists ?

>>6337738
Well, your experience was anecdotal. You should click the wiki link and research some of the sightings if you give a shit.

>>6337746
It's not anecdotal if it repeats by multiple(countless in this case) observers.

OK, so what are they?

Obviously they are UFOs in the sense that they are objects, were flying, and aren't identified, but aside from that what are you trying to prove?

>>6337760
You know very well what I'm trying to prove.

Look up what I posted and get back to me. Your excepting to argue with me when you dot even know what I'm specifically talking about. Aliums!!


Honestly, I'm just surprised that people haven't research this stuff for themselves. I don't except everyone to blindly believe it but at least consider it. Fuck.

>>6337766
Well, what part makes you think it's extraterrestrials?

Assume that there is a advanced extra terrestrial race out there. Lets say they are at the same level we will be in 5,000 years. Its very probable unless you assume that there isn't life anywhere else.

At this level, it's probable that they discovered a way around interstellar travel.

Now, of course they are gonna visit/monitor places with life. Life Is rare after all.


Also, I'm sorry OP but this is not STEM related.

>>6337768
High ranking government testimonies is the best evidence run my opinion.

Nevermind that. Take the 1952 ufo incident(one out of many). There were strange lights in the sky that were hovering above the White House. The gov. Sent fighter pilots after them and they(instantly)shot off at speed current madmade aircraft aren't capable of.

If that's not aliums then... Well, there is no other logical explanation for it.

Just look it up and think for yourself if you are interested.

>>6337781
>If that's not aliums then... Well, there is no other logical explanation for it.
There's no way to test for aliens currently. All we have are datasets and we can try fitting them into as many explanations as we like, but there simply aren't any experiments we can carry out or further observations we can do to verify any theories.

But what does it matter if they were aliens or weather phenomena or fairies? They seem like isolated incidents, they can't be intentionally reproduced, they don't affect anyone in day-to-day life. It would be fascinating to study but it's unfortunate that it's so difficult to go about it.

>>6337788
>But what does it matter if they were aliens
Official contact(a.k.a. The government admiring what they have been doing) will be THE most significant event in human history.

It will also open up new energy and propulsion technology opportunities for us. Some of the races seem to be willing to share but the governments aren't to keen on that


Also, I'm sorry. This really isn't STEM related. I don't know why I made this thread here. Mods, feel free to perma ban me.

>The vast majority of humanity has been carrying a camera around with them 24/7 for the last 7 years.
>Still almost no good pictures of UFOs have been captured and the ones that have are usually proven to be fake
>Sightings have been reported over large cities and at most there are only three different views out of hundreds of thousands of people

>>6337801
You are just blatantly wrong.

>>6337793
But how do you know that our government has contacted them and is hiding it from us?
By the way, once we get to a question like this we've officially officially left the purview of science, so I'm going leave the thread once I read your answer.

>>6337808
Government testimonials of course.

>not credible
It's good enough for the courts but now good enough for you?

I admit that I'm not 100% sure. I can never be but the evidence points to it.

I agree though, this isn't STEM related, I'm just waiting for the mods to delete this thread(except they wont because they are bad at what they do)

I'm of the opinion that it could be a as of yet unknown weather phenomena, but I do agree that it needs more serious research and less bias. If it's aliens though it's going to be complicated to follow the conventional rules of investigation to produce results, it would be another implied intelligence after all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNc9w44ZUaE

This hearing was pretty interesting stuff, especially when they bring out the witness testimonies by government and military professionals.

>>6337815
>I'm of the opinion that it could be a as of yet unknown weather phenomena

Really? You seem like you do know some stuff about it. Do you really think that it's probably weather phenomena? The object are obviously under the control of an intelligent being.


If it turns out to be all government planes, then they have been hiding anti-gravity and fee energy technology from us for over 50 years.

FORMER DEFENSE MINISTER PAUL HELLYER ON ALIEN/GOVERNMENT INTERACTION & BILL NYE REACTION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcb9CUVmHiw

>>6337869
Tl;dr it for me. Does he believe or not?

Either way, he's a cunt and I am sad that he represents STEM to the rest of the world.

did you seriously omitted motherfucking 1942 Battle of Los Angeles?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhjkMoWLE_Y

>>6337877
Oh shit I forgot. It's not like any non believers will even look into it anyways.

>>6337697
You want proof?
>posts blurry image

>>6337801
>implying the majoity of cameras can capture clear photos of objects far away
>implying people pay attention to the sky
>implying everybody that saw an ufo talks about it

>>6337877
wat
havent seen or hear of anything like this before
more?

>>6337876
Bro it's like 5:00 just watch
Basically he writes off the question like a douche

First of all, a bit of an overview of the book itself: it begins with a short introduction on the way news media has covered (or not covered) big UFO stories, particularly the 1975 Malmstrom Air Force Base UFO/ICBM encounters (www.nicap.org/articles/CI-Malmstrom.htm). Widely reported in the local and regional press, it took a full two years for these highly sensational (i.e., newsworthy) events to reach the national news.

Hansen observes that there are two realities in media: the official reality, represented by major national news corporations (which reflect official government views), and folk reality, which is often represented in local or regional, 'small-town' reporting. UFO stories, in particular, often make it into the local press, where they're reported fairly accurately, but rarely if ever do they get serious coverage in the national press. And when they do, it's usually because the story has already become so large that they need to cover it or risk looking like they are censoring it. Even then, their reporting is rarely if ever serious or objective. Rather, it's loaded with 'spin', name-calling, and 'wink-and-nod' levity. What's the reason?

www.sott.net/article/273337

i saw elvis in the supermarket today. really

>>6337801
The average camera can't zoom in to a faraway object without it looking like a fuzzy dot. Speaking from personal experience, most UFO's look like featureless shiny points, which wouldn't be much information.

>>6337906
Just watched it. Wether you believe in it or not, he's just a giant cunt. Even /pol/ is not that arrogant

>>6338270
Will read


Do you guys ever think that the gov. will admit it? I don't know why the aliums don't just land on the White House lawn or some shit like that. Then again, there is never a shortage of soldiers who blindly shoot when given orders.

>>6337801
>no good pictures of UFOs

I won't even post them because it poor evidence since photoshop exists.

>>6338319
The only reason I can imagine why aliens don't settle the mystery about their presence is that they really don't value our opinion that much.
There is so much lying and corruption on the planet and the only ones powerful enough to break through it would be aliens. But they don't care. Maybe we're just a petri dish to them.

>>6338322
I love Bill Nye but like every other mainstream public figure he has to dismiss all UFOs or else the media will ostracize him.

>>6338382
Or maybe it's that fact that we send fighter jets after them ever time they enter out atmosphere.

Maybe you're right. Most humans will flip their shit if they made their presence known.

Anyone interested in the UFO phenomenon should look at Jacques Vallee. He's one of the only researchers who approaches the subject honestly and doesn't immediately go to the 'its aliens' or 'its all hallucinations' belief systems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ETMzkhBQ6w

>>6337801
This. Also the the amount of UFO sightings has declined anti-proportional to the increase of people who carry a camera around with them over the last decade(s).

>>6337697
>You want proof?

Proof of what?

>>6337710
>they are more than just undefined objects in the sky
but that's wrong. that's EXACTLY what they are. UFO is an acronym for Unidentified Flying Object.

They appear to be flying. And they are Unidentified. And they're apparently objects.

>>6338804
What does he believe they are?(can't watch the video right now)
>>6338820
>anti-proportional
Again, blatantly false

>>6337753
is the evidence still coming from the observation and retelling by human observers?

then it's anecdotal. the only difference the amount of observers makes is the credibility of said evidence. but that doesn't prove anything regardless.

>>6337771
>life is rare after all
prove it.

and you should really think about all of those assumptions that you made there for any of your argument to remain credible. seriously.

>>6337781
How is aliens a logical explanation? how is "humans doing something that other humans don't know about and can't directly identify" not more logical, at least compared to aliens?

>>6338835
He doesn't have a belief of what they actually are. He takes the view that people ARE experiencing something and they are having an impact on there lives. Regardless of whether or not they actually physically exist they are having an effect on the world. Many people who observe these things have radical changes in their belief systems,they start thinking more mystically and many of them develop ecological beliefs.

UFOs are kind of like magic tricks. They seem amazing and impossible until you figure out how its done, then you feel stupid and wonder how you were ever fooled. But even then, the next trick still seems amazing and impossible.

>>6337697
People are really retarded, engineer reporting in...

Mathematically speaking is impossible to any alien visit in our present day, our galaxy is to new. Assuming there is no form of traveling than light because you would need more energy than the universe has; and assuming you can't broke space-time.

So the most simple explanation is... HUMANS.

Remember when ground frequencies communications, submarines, and other new scientific applied concepts remained a secret for decades? It's new form of vehicle not familiar with the public knowledge.

>inb4 not native speaker

>>6338873
you're going to get replies saying that "they know how to travel faster than light we just don't know how to do it yet"

prepare your angus

>>6338873
>Because of their large wavelengths, VLF radio waves can diffract around large obstacles and so are not blocked by mountain ranges, and can propagate as a ground wave following the curvature of the Earth. The main mode of long distance propagation is an Earth-ionosphere waveguide mechanism.[1] The Earth is surrounded by a conductive layer of electrons and ions in the upper atmosphere, the ionosphere D layer at 60 km altitude,[2] which reflects VLF radio waves. The ionosphere and the conductive Earth, form a horizontal "duct" a few VLF wavelengths high, which acts as a waveguide confining the waves so they don't escape into space. The waves travel in a zigzag path around the Earth, reflected alternately by the Earth and the ionosphere, in TM (transverse magnetic) mode.

>>6338840
>is the evidence still coming from the observation and retelling by human observers?


No. Look up what I posted before you spout your ignorance

>>6338873
HURR DURR IM ENGI I NO MATHS DURRPDEE DURR MY MATH IS INFALLIBLE NVR WRONG ALIUMS ARE IMPOSSIBLE DURRR I KNOW ALL
Thats you, faggot.

>>6338852
Except that the are radar reports to back up a lot of the sightings. There were also a lot of mass sighting. So ye, he's bullshiting. Ill watch his shit later
>>6338873
So I posted the evidence and your trying to argue about some irrelevant BS? Fuck off or research and address what I posted

>>6338849
Like I said, if you bothered to look up what I posted then it would be obvious that these aren't humans.

It's never aliens

Sage

>>6339048
how would, I dunno, lightning balls, be less logical than sentient beings building spaceships capable of violating the laws of phisics, or alternatively spending hundreds of thousands of years traveling from their home planet to Earth, and then randomly flashing lights in the sky every few years?

Also, cellphones.
Nowadays almost everyone has phones with good quality cameras around. And the number of ufo sightings has decreased.

>>6339198
the increased accessibility of video and image editing software leads to an increase in ufo sightings

>>6339198
>how would, I dunno, lightning balls, be less logical than sentient beings building spaceships capable of violating the....

You obviously never looked up the stuff I posted. If you want a serious answer from me then do it.

>And the number of ufo sightings has decreased.

*citation needed

as much as I WANT TO BELIEVE, the truth is, in the last 10 years almost every single person on earth has begun carrying always accessible, high quality cameras, and we have collectively proven that there is no proof of ufo's in modern airspace

>>6339427
De fuck are you people talking about. Were are you getting this information from? I really would like a citation.

Until then you are plain wrong.

>>6337771
and then what? they were drunk so they decided to flash their space headlights to freak us out?

>>6339466
What information are you talking about?
The fact that people now carry cameras with them at all times? Because that's like asking for citation that the sky is blue.

>>6339732
>and we have collectively proven that there is no proof of ufo's in modern airspace

UFO sightings are going up every year. I don't know wtf you're talking about. Provide a citation and I will an hero live on camera.

>>6339758
>UFO sightings are going up every year
and no one seems to bother pulling out their phones and snapping a selfy with one

I have it on good authority that it's not aliens responsible for UFO's. It's us from the future. Imagine this:

> Far in the future
> Time travel
> Commercialised and regulated time travel
> Hey let's take the kids to the year 2000
> Super safe UFO from a corporation
> Observation only

>>6337869
I can't hear shit.

Why do people care?

It is established that UFOs are a real phenomenon by multiple eyewitness accounts (including military and government personel, pilots, astronauts etc.), much radar data corresponding to eyewitnesses, photographical evidence and also government studies. Please look up the french "GEIPAN" research, that concludes that there is a need for urgent investigation, because it may hold revolutionary scientific discoveries.

All contra arguments in this discussion so far were premature and ignorant.
Can you PLEASE admit that there is something curious going on there and that we NEED to objectively investigate this phenomenon to find out what the hell it is?!?!