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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI

Bill Nye debates Ken Ham thread #2

>> No.6332525

How long has this been on for just tuned in?

>> No.6332534

BILL NYE THE SEX GUY

>> No.6332535

>>6332525
1:19:25

>> No.6332541

#basedbill

>> No.6332545

>>6332525

1:20

>> No.6332547

>>6332525
Hour and 20 minutes

>> No.6332549

I'm a Christian and Ken Ham is full of shit.

>> No.6332551

Bill's cousin confirmed for inbred

>> No.6332540

SEX

>> No.6332536

>>6332525
since 7 est

>> No.6332537

>>6332525
An hour, you missed Ham's retarded argument

>> No.6332557

THREAD MUSIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwG2newDukk

THREAD MUSIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwG2newDukk

THREAD MUSIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwG2newDukk

THREAD MUSIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwG2newDukk

>> No.6332558

FUCK MORE BE IMMORTAL

>> No.6332559

inb4 traditional fish sex

>> No.6332560

"The Talk" with Bill Nye

>> No.6332562

I'm convinced the audience isn't even understanding his arguments.

>> No.6332564

OH SHIT

GETTING BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

>> No.6332567

>the outside world

You're playing with fire Bill

>> No.6332568

Danville is a giant shithole

>> No.6332581

>>6332562
I'm pretty sure most of them are fans of Ham, judging by their facial expressions.

>> No.6332572
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>>6332537
There's more bullshit to come.

>> No.6332574

Bill sounds like he's having a rough time. Sounds like he's pulling half of this shit out his asshole and it doesn't seem like he knows how to argue.

This is painful to watch. I love bill nye cause science n shit but he seems so out of his damn element that not only he will lose this debate but its gonna make him look like a jackass.

Sounds like he doesn't even have a damn point half the time. like hes just talking to talk.

>> No.6332575

>>6332557
mayo mayo mayo mayo mayo mayo mayo mayo mayo mayo

>> No.6332576

He's just kind of meandering at this point.

>> No.6332577

>FUCK MORE BE IMMORTAL

it's the new board motto

>> No.6332580

>>6332537
I'll sum it up:

Observational science is a religion too, which makes it untrustworthy and shouldn't be taught in schools.

Actual fucking Christian beliefs are saving us from savagery and every child should be taught that jeezus died on the cross for his sins and god loves him.

>> No.6332583

>>6332574
are you retarded?

>> No.6332587

>Big Bang Theory

If there was a God, that show wouldn't exist.

Your move, creationists.

>> No.6332589

>>6332523
top kek

>> No.6332590

Those find bred Kentuckians cannot understand Bill Nye because they are too busy thinking about how they are going to abuse a horse later.

>> No.6332591

Does Bill really think the crowd will understand his crash course of redshifting, let alone buy it?

>> No.6332593

>>6332574
You misspelled Ken

>> No.6332595

>>6332574
>>6332557

BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT

>> No.6332596

>>6332574
gb2 /b/ little kid

>> No.6332597

thanks for this important lesson of different electromagnetic waves :)

>> No.6332598

>>6332581
i spotted a fat fedora-wearing person

BINGO

>> No.6332603

#shotsfired

>> No.6332604

>>6332574

tbh I love bill but he's not a very good debater. i don't like him debating. he's great at spitting out science and teaching, but constructing an argument for a whole debate he never seems to do well at. but whatever he's still blowing ham out with FACTS

>> No.6332606

>DISCUSSING THE BIG BANG VIA WHITE NOISE

BLOWN.

THE.

FUCK.

OUT.

>> No.6332607

>>6332598
One euphoric! and two bowties!

>> No.6332608

>predictions
That's what the other retard will argue about.

>> No.6332602

>>6332574
Most are probably pro-Ham making it Nye against the crowd, instead of the ability to preach to the choir

>> No.6332610

SATANIC MATH DOESN'T PROVE ANYTTHING

>> No.6332611
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6332611

BING BANG ENERGY, BRING IT HOME BILL

>> No.6332613

Scientists - We predict the future but we don't believe in prophecies

>> No.6332614

periodic table of chemicals, eh bill?

>> No.6332616
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>>6331959
I would just like to take this small moment to reremind you about my reminder

>> No.6332618

none of these bible belt retards are going to have the slightest idea if they should believe these things

>> No.6332620

BILL NYE BRAND PERIODIC TABLE
OH MY GOD, MY SIDES HAVE BEEN OBLITERATED

>> No.6332622

>>6332613
>predictions =/= prophecies

one is a guess, the other is a guess dressing up as fact

>> No.6332624

>Rubidium becomes strontium
That's witchcraft

>> No.6332627

>>6332622
But can you SEE predictions?
I think not!
#BillNyeTheHistoricalScienceGuy

>> No.6332630

>>6332604
By participating in this debate, Bill Nye is giving creationism more legitimacy no matter what he says.

Bill does not have a degree nor has he published anything academic and conducted research papers on ecological biology and life sciences.

This guy basically is spewing out common sense that can be found on wikipedia and I would most definility prefer to have an expert instead as the expert would educate those who actually believe in creationism

>> No.6332631

THE BAD OLD DAYS

>> No.6332636

REKT.

>> No.6332634

>>6332627
#HamForDinner

>> No.6332637
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6332637

BTFO

>> No.6332639

BILL NYE CONFIRMED FOR ALCHEMIST

>> No.6332641
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6332641

I made a wallpaper on his great quote

>> No.6332642

>>6332637
#rekt

>> No.6332644

BILLIONS of stars
BILLIONS
BILLIONS

>> No.6332646

>>6332630
>This guy basically is spewing out common sense that can be found on wikipedia

Yeah, so isnt that making creationism look really bad?

>>6332637
PARKER!

>> No.6332647

OH SHIT

KENTUCKY EDUCATION GETTING

B
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O
W
N

T
H
E

F
U
C
K

O
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>> No.6332648

>My Kentucky friends
He said that with such disdain, oh my god

>> No.6332649

>Understand this is understood

Goddammit, Bill.

>> No.6332651

hahaha fucking telling kentucky where they can shove it

>> No.6332645
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>> No.6332656

ADOLPHE!?
HITLER!?
NAW NAW NAW, CREATIONISTS DON'T LISTEN TO COMMIE SCUMS LIKE HIM

>> No.6332657

**ADOLF** katel???

BILL CONFIRMED FOR SATAN & CONGLOMERATES CONFIRMED FOR DEMONS

>> No.6332659

FUCKING DROPPED.

>> No.6332660

>>6332616
Thanks, from a Catholic.

>> No.6332661

>>6332630
HE HAS A DEGREE IN ENGINEERING THAT MEANS HE IS LOCKED IN TO THE KNOWLEDGE HE CAN HIMSELF LEARN ABOUT AND TEACH.

That what you said. People can continue to become experts at any type of subject without having a degree.

>> No.6332662

>Implying God didn't make every star

>> No.6332663
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6332663

>lightyear is a unit of distance not of time

>> No.6332664

KNOCK 'EM DEAD WITH THOSE POWERPOINT SPECIAL EFFECTS

>> No.6332665
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>>6332637
#annihilated

>> No.6332666

OH SHIT CONSTITUTION TIME

>> No.6332668

>>6332518
>Nye stuttering
>not connecting with the audience
>argument is falling apart
Ham won easily.

>> No.6332671

>bill of rights
oh boy

>> No.6332673
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>> No.6332674

KENTUCKY'S CHICKEN JUST GOT FRIED

>> No.6332675

aw shit
he got cheering

>> No.6332676

They didnt even need to be told to clap

>> No.6332677

>>6332668
>in kentucky

What did you expect

>> No.6332678

nye said there are billions of stars thousands of light years away, emphasizing distance not time, then went on to compare the age of the earth, wtf

>> No.6332687

CROSS FIRE STARTS NOW

>> No.6332688

>>6332668
0/10 try harder

>> No.6332690

o boy here we go

>> No.6332680

Anybody catch the shouting at the end? I was busy aborting a fetus for fun.

>> No.6332682

Did Nye go full Sagan in the end of that?

>> No.6332685
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GEORGE WASHINGTON DIED FOR SCIENCE

>> No.6332686

>>6332663
he then proceeded to imply being a distance away from the Earth meant it was over 6000 years old.

>> No.6332691

compare those claps to his first ones lel

>> No.6332692

I want to see a debate like this discussing whether or not mathematics were discovered or invented, instead of this bullshit.

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6332693

uh oh here comes rebuttal, INCOMING CONVINCING BULLSHIT

>> No.6332694

YEEAAAHH!
ONE ON ONE TIME!

>> No.6332695

here it comes

"jesus and satan did those things"

>> No.6332696

This moderator is mad shit yo

>> No.6332697

OH BOY HERE WE GO

>> No.6332698

CHOKE
CHOKE
CHOKE

>> No.6332699

Dis rebuttal gun be good

>> No.6332700

>>6332630
I think a BS from an Ivy League institution allows him to appear credible

>> No.6332701

KEN CALLING BILL NYE OUT FOR THE OLD GISH GALLOP

>> No.6332703

>those laughs

although admittedly that joke was funnier than any of bill's

>> No.6332704

Fucking inbreds

>> No.6332706

>>6332678
To calculate the distance we need to understand that light takes time to travel a certain distance, this time is longer than earth has been around

>> No.6332714

ADAM AND EVE

>> No.6332707

4chan went down for a minute, I think Moot tripped on a cable.

>> No.6332709

>no clapping
How will the audience survive?
>dat awful joke getting a laugh
scum

>> No.6332710

>origins of historical science
Huh?

>> No.6332712

>>6332660
They should get a papist like Father George V. Coyne so that he could connect on a faith level and not just be "a godless heathen against a good christian man"

it's a shame we're idol worshipers

>> No.6332716

"you can't observe the age of the universe"

lol you fuckwit

>> No.6332717

>historical science
>the bible says so
This guy doesn't have anything else to say.

>> No.6332718

Bill doesn't know how to debate yet creationism is so fucking stupid he still wins by a landslide...

>> No.6332720

>that hand waving
>that under the breath script reading

MY FUCKING SIDES

GET DECKED HAM

>> No.6332721

>>6332714
NOT ADAM AND STEVE k?

>> No.6332723

>>6332696
Who is the moderator? He looks familiar but I can't recognize his name.

>> No.6332724

>Bill, you've made so many good points it would take me millions of years to refute them all

SICK BURN KEN

>> No.6332725

YOU CAN'T OBSERVE IT

GET FUCKED BILL

>> No.6332726

>Bill Nye
>Heres proof

>Ken Ham rebuttal
>well heres my opening argument again

>> No.6332727

MUH HISTORICAL SCIENCE

Holy fuck is he ever desperate

>> No.6332729

The Ham got slammed and he knows it

>> No.6332730

oh boy, ken's stuttering too now
and bill was doing better at the end
i think it'll get better

>> No.6332735

>>6332726
>sucking on faggot nye's dick this hard

>> No.6332737

>>6332723
Some asslord from CNN.

>> No.6332738

Muh "historical science".

>> No.6332739

>Wood bit found under the ground, must be ark
BAHAHAHAHHA

>> No.6332740

45 THOUSAND YEAR OLD WOOD IN 45 MILLION YEAR OLD ROCK

>> No.6332741

>>6332707
>45,000,000 old rock
>45,000 year old wood

Maybe they just made a typo?

>> No.6332742

>steve austin

BAW GAWD
BAW GAWD
HERE COMES THE STUNNER

>> No.6332743

GOODNIGHT HAM

>> No.6332745

BAH GAWD DR. STEVE AUSTIN

>> No.6332748

Dr. STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN

>> No.6332749

arent rocks generally older than trees?

yes?

>> No.6332750

Did Bill even mention carbon dating?

>> No.6332751

>this thread is full of high schoolers
Are you serious /sci/? Bill Nye makes a highschool argument yet uses popular science to fight creationism?
>big bang
>not understanding fish sex

Yet on the other hand you have Ken Ham who provides a worse argument than a middle school student.

Can we get a real scientist to debate this guy? An accredited professor maybe?

>> No.6332755

3:16 SAYS I JUST DISPROVED YOUR PREMISE!!!!!!

>> No.6332757

this thread is so fucking euphoric holy shit

>> No.6332759

>>6332742

Just show show this roodypoo jabroni The Rock.

>> No.6332760
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>>6332742
>>6332745

>> No.6332761

>YOU WEREN'T THERE SO YOU DON'T KNOW
>THERE'S LOTS OF EVIDENCE
it's over

>> No.6332762

>here's my evidence
>there's a lot of evidence

NYE JUST GOT BTFO

>> No.6332763

what the fuck is he talking about?

>> No.6332764

>Y-You don't kn-kn-know that!

>> No.6332765

If Bill says [citation needed] I will fist myself out of happiness

>> No.6332766

>>6332751
>Can we get a real scientist to debate this guy? An accredited professor maybe?
It'll be beneath their dignity. Besides, debating with actual scientists will lend Ham even more "credibility".

>> No.6332767

DEATH SUFFERING DISEASE BLOODSHED DEATH SUFFERING DISEASE BLOODSHED DEATH SUFFERING DISEASE BLOODSHED DEATH SUFFERING DISEASE BLOODSHED DEATH SUFFERING DISEASE BLOODSHED DEATH SUFFERING DISEASE BLOODSHED

>> No.6332768

so, this rebuttal has a prepared powerpoint.

Ken had no intention of responding to Bills actual points, just to re-iterate his bullshit.

>> No.6332773

>people aren't getting smarter
>THAT MEANS CREATIONISM IS RIGHT!

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yoo wehren't theyhhr

and still >Genesis
>Genesis
>Genesis
>Genesis
>Genesis

>> No.6332775

"I'm going to pathos the shit out of you."
-Ken Ham the religious man

>> No.6332777

Why you fuckers fall so easily to confirmation bias? All I got from this debate was that I actually misunderstood creationism and just thought it was southern baptists wanting to shove religion into science; but his arguments are actually pretty sound, or at least the ones not backed solely on the Bible.

>> No.6332778

>>6332630
Sure, in the short term, and only through publicity. In the long term, it could bleed out the validity of even having a debate, since this is being very widely publicized. Once/if Bill's statements are accepted as common knowledge and verified publicly by more reputable scientists, society could take another step forward.

>> No.6332779

IF I TALK FAST AND LOUD ENOUGH MAYBE I'LL SOUND SMART.

>> No.6332780

>the curse

>> No.6332772

>>6332750
He did mention dating rocks, but not specifically carbon dating.

>> No.6332782
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>> No.6332783

>>6332751
There is no debating this guy because he discards any and all evidence and regurgitates his "Historical science" bullshit

>> No.6332784

>Evolution isn't true because I don't like the sound of it
>It's impossible to ever date anything, ever
God damn

>> No.6332785

>>6332750
no, because scientists dont conduct carbon dating anymore

>> No.6332786

>>6332757

>basic science for 5th graders being refuted by a retard
>laughing at him

if he just thought these things it'd be fine to make fun of him but because he thinks these things because of some religion we shouldn't? fuck off aspie

>> No.6332787

Did this guy just debate himself

>god says tumors are bad
>this dinosaur has a tumor
>therefore it's bad

Im so fucking confused by what he's trying to debate right now

>> No.6332788

>>6332751
Well, Bill did what was necessary to attack the age stipulated by the Creation argument, which does technically render Ham's argument incorrect.

However, Bill hasn't disproved God by any means, just the age stipulated by the Creation argument.

>> No.6332790

that death bloodshed picture was rough, jesus

looked like a parody

>> No.6332792

"The bible is true because it says it is."

what the fuck is this shit

>> No.6332793

>90% of dating methods contradict the billions of years
Oh really?

>> No.6332794

>>6332768
No way!
I'm shocked.

>> No.6332795

HAHAHAHAHAH OH MAN TURBO REKT.

>> No.6332797

If we were all vegetarians, then why do we have wisdom teeth?

>> No.6332799
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>>6332782

>> No.6332802

>the rock slid on top

B
T
F
O
O
O
O
O
O

>> No.6332803

>>6332782
dat smug looking human

>> No.6332804

>>6332791
"Millions of years of DETH"
Sounds like a killer Dethklok album

>> No.6332805

>>6332782
that's hard fucking core

>> No.6332806

>>6332782
but suffering, disease and bloodshed still exists

>> No.6332791
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6332791

This is so fucking metal.

>> No.6332800

http://strawpoll.me/1127109/r
http://strawpoll.me/1127109/r
http://strawpoll.me/1127109/r

>> No.6332801

Yes, let's ask God who's right then.

>> No.6332808

THE ROCK SLID ON TOP

NYE JUST OCCAM RAZORED HAM'S ASS

i'm so happy

>> No.6332810

>what I can observe

You can observe the bible

Checkmate Bill

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>>6332792
Circular logic.

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>this fucking proddy telling me I can't believe in evolution and christ at the same time
>muh modernist heretical biblical literalism
>muh making all Christians look bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htxOjJHB5-8

>> No.6332813

>That to me, unsettling.

-Bill Nye

>> No.6332815

You now, there's some ways to argue for intelligent design.

But this guy sure as hell ain't using them.

>> No.6332817

Bill Nye confirmed fish lover

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>>6332661

>> No.6332819

oh shit
blowing the fuck outta the bible
less stuttering, better points
this is p amazing

>> No.6332807

Did anyone get a screen of that SIN----->DEATH slide? That was gold.

>> No.6332820

>Ham says piece of wood was 45,000 years old
>Then goes on to say that the Earth is still only 6000 years old

WHAT THE FUCK

>> No.6332821

NO BILL THEY'RE FUCKING RETARDS

THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT

>> No.6332823

>>6332786
how about you actually go learn shit and earn some degrees instead of shitting on mental disorders?

>> No.6332825

MAGICAL

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>The people at the back look a little younger
>kid looks behind him

>> No.6332827

>>6332811
do you have one of those where they don't erase the lines?

>> No.6332830

THE FISH WHO DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN TRADITIONAL FISH SEX WILL FEEL THE WRATH OF GOD UPON THEM!

>> No.6332831

>bill calling religion magic

B
T
F
O

>> No.6332832

>>6332815
Yeah, nothing here has disproved ALL iterations of intelligent design, just Ham's notion, which defeats itself when it poses a specific age of the Earth.

>> No.6332856

>>6332848
blown the fuck out

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>Asking creationists for proof

>> No.6332836

>>6332827
No, sorry.

>> No.6332838

>YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PAST NOW
BTFO
>No one laughing at his light joke
goddammit it

>> No.6332839

>>6332783
Yet that's why it's necessary for an actual say physicist to explain the actuality of radioactive decay or any respect of nuclear of physics in order to reinforce the actual science behind it... Even simply undergraduate level explanations instead of this middle school science retaliations. It'd show how uneducated Ken Ham and creationists are instead of giving their argument credibility by not showing actual scientific data or concepts at an adequate level.

>> No.6332840

>>6332819
stuttering doesnt mean shit when your points are valid

get fucked high schooler

>> No.6332841

Are the fish sinners /sci/?

>> No.6332842

Broccoli-eating Lions

>> No.6332843

Nye is blowing ham the fuck out.

>> No.6332844

BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

No seriously Ham looks like a fucking retard.

>> No.6332848

>>6332831
>>6332838
BTFO?

>> No.6332849

>>6332838

>light joke

That's a turbo pun

>> No.6332851

N Y E
Y
E

>> No.6332853

TL:DR version

Believe rocks or Believe a book passed down over "6000" years

>> No.6332855

BILL JUST [CITATION NEEDED] KEN'S ASS ON THE VEGETARIAN BULLSHIT!

HOLY SHIT, SO FUCKING BASED!

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bow tie, smooth move

>> No.6332861

>>6332788
Has he? All I've seen is some half assed middle school science isn't really knocking the creationalist argument out of the water...

>> No.6332862

>>6332838
it's too complicated for kentucky audiences

>> No.6332863

>>6332848
see
>>6332844

>> No.6332864

You know what Ham will say? Ham will say that giant pandas are proof that lions ate broccoli too once, because pandas have sharp teeth but they only eat bamboo. That's what he'll say. Calling it.

>> No.6332865

>>6332827
One on the Chaos Theory wiki
>>6324356

>> No.6332866

>>6332827
it's already posted:
>>6324356

it's on wikipedia page for double pendulum

>> No.6332867

>>6332848
GETTIN BLOWN THE FUCK OUT BITCH

>> No.6332868

>>6332841
Damn straight!
Traditional fish sex is sinful as fuck! eleventh commandment!

>> No.6332870

Why does Ken bring up Adam and Eve? I read it as the prospering of human agriculture with wacky characters.

>> No.6332871

SHOTS FIRED

>> No.6332872

>>6332832

Yeah, he should have done himself a favor and left the 6000 years bullshit out of it.

>> No.6332876

>>6332864
I'll be waiting

>> No.6332878

>>6332861
That's all it needs to be to discredit any sort of creationist claims.

>> No.6332879

http://strawpoll.me/1127109/r
http://strawpoll.me/1127109/r
http://strawpoll.me/1127109/r
http://strawpoll.me/1127109/r
http://strawpoll.me/1127109/r

>> No.6332880

>whites are not the best
Beg to disagree.

>> No.6332881

"a number"

w-we have like seven scientists. it's a number

>> No.6332883

hook line and sinker
ken took the bait
gg
shows over

>> No.6332885

Oh boy, here we go. More appeals to authority from Ken Ham.

>> No.6332886

>muh phd scientists
here we fucking go again

>> No.6332889

THEY HAVE A DOCTORATE THEREFORE THEY ARE RESPECTED, MONITORED, AND CORRECT.

>> No.6332890

Nye keeps stopping because he's trying REALLY, REALLY hard to be as inoffensive as possible. I'm sure he wants to call the dude a fucking idiot and leave it at that.

>> No.6332891

>"They're not MY models"
>"Therefore I am right"

>> No.6332892

OH SHIT
HAM LAYING THE CITATION SMACKDOWN

>> No.6332893

>ham not understanding bill's context of "model" to mean "the creation model as ken ham presents it"

what a FUCKING moron

>> No.6332894

>creation scientist

>> No.6332895

>appeal to authority yet again

>> No.6332897

>PhD scientists and staff
Okay then, why aren't they here debating instead, Hammy?

>> No.6332902

>I have a PhD in Music Theory
>Mozart never happened
disprove this faggots

>> No.6332903

>"There are other guys with phds that believe this bullshit too!"

>> No.6332904

>>6332897
why isn't a "real" scientist debating instead of nye?

>> No.6332906

>species
>kinds

stop arguing semantics you tool

>> No.6332907

>Species != kinds

FUCK

>> No.6332898

>I believe you're confusing species and kinds
>That smirk Bill had to hold back like "really nigga?"

>> No.6332915

>we didn't see the tree rings forming

but that's wrong you stupid fuck

>> No.6332916
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6332916

>There's so much that I can say
>But I won't

>> No.6332917

>just over 2000 animals on the ark
>millions of species exist today
>but evolution doesnt exist

uhhhhhh

>> No.6332918

>THIS is the Superbowl of Science
Fucking
Sad

"We're talking about the past when we weren't there"

>> No.6332920

>You're confused about terms
>We have researchers working on what this term means.

>> No.6332908

>we have a number of PhD scientists
>doesn't state in which field

>> No.6332909
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6332909

>There's so much I can say
>says nothing of value

Also, 'kinds?' the Bible mentioned some pretty specific examples.

>> No.6332910

"t-there's s-s-so much I can say" - Ken Ham

YOU SURE ABOUT THAT, BITCH?

>> No.6332911

>>6332866
>>6332865
thanks

>> No.6332912

THE FUCKING ARK BRO

FUCKING LAND BRIDGE

>> No.6332913

>Kinds
Oh my god.

>> No.6332914
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6332914

>Kinds
>Less than 1000
>But somehow nothing evolves

>> No.6332921

WE DIDN'T SEE KANGAROOS GO TO AUSTRALIA.

STOP ASSUMING THINGS

>> No.6332923

This KIND of thingy is kinda of a thingy.

poop

>> No.6332924

>go to /pol/
>people actually believing ham is winning
>nope
>back to /sci/

>> No.6332925

>it was in the past!
u cannot know nuffin

>> No.6332926
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6332926

>BILL QUOTING LEWONTIN'S FALLACY

Absolutely sickening.

Obviously some truths are too dangerous.

>> No.6332927

>>6332791
saved

>> No.6332928

Most bears are vegetarian?

>> No.6332929

>>6332861
Well, Ham stipulated that the age of the earth is roughly (I think, I didn't hear all of Ham's first argument), 6,000 years. Since Bill pointed out that there are layers of rock and ice MUCH older than 6,000 years (using dating techniques and predictive models), which is a contradiction. But how can this be, if everything was created 6,000 years ago? It's a contradiction, and a contradiction is indicative of a faulty premise. Now, Ham is trying to cast doubt on dating methods and the fossil record using iterative skepticism (How do you KNOW, since you weren't there?), which is only good if you want to engage in infinite logical regression, but the fact remains that the observed facts contradict Ham's premise.

>> No.6332930

>>6332864
OH SHIT

>> No.6332931

>>6332864

YOU FUCKING CALLED IT

>> No.6332932

>>6332864
>>6332864
>>6332864
>>6332864
>>6332864
FUCKING CALLED IT

>> No.6332934

>>6332864
FUCKING CALLED IT. NICE.

>> No.6332936

>That lie by omission

>> No.6332937

>>6332924
sasuga /pol/

>> No.6332938

>>6332924
/pol/ is /troll/

>> No.6332939

>PANDAS
LITERALLY PREDICTED
BY SCIENCE

>> No.6332940

I don't know who got BTFO harder, Ham or the Broncos

>> No.6332941

>>6332864

10/10

>> No.6332942

>>6332777
I wouldn't say Ken's arguments are sound. They're structurally valid, as in consecutive statements flow logically from prior statements, but many of his arguments are based on vague or ambiguous, difficult to disprove, or demonstrably false premises. I feel like he's exploiting the amount of information that may have been missed given the time limitations, Bill's area of expertise, and the very wide breadth of potential arguments.

>> No.6332944
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6332944

>> No.6332945

"you can't see the tree rings form"

>how did u see the ark built FAGGOT

>> No.6332946

>>6332924
>go to /pol/
There's your problem.

>> No.6332947
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6332947

>>6332864
HORY SHITTTTTT

>> No.6332948

>We didn't see the rings form, so they don't count

My first major debate I've watched. Is there always one delusional homeless man like this?

>> No.6332951

>>6332924
/pol/ are literal retards. like, it's scary how stupid everyone is there. it's not about politics it's about modern-American patriotism and Christianity.

>> No.6332952

>>6332864
well done

>> No.6332954

>>6332864
HO
LEEE
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

>> No.6332955

>I never saw noah, therefore he's real
>You never saw kangaroos going to australia, therefore they aren't real

uh

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6332956

>>6332864

>> No.6332957

YOU CANT LOOK INTO THE PAST KEN

>> No.6332958

Hey, Ken, you do know that there are no animals in the feline family that can survive without eating meat? You fucking retard? Feed any cat a vegetarian diet and it will die.

>> No.6332959

>older civilizations where more advanced

kill me please

>> No.6332962

>we built a model with three interlocking parts so that's what noah did!
are you fucking srs m8

>> No.6332963

>Debate ends with Nye baring his fangs and revealing himself as a 7263 million year old vampire

>> No.6332964

This debate man... Fucking Ham is only up there because his paycheck depends on it, he has to convince his dumb hick followers to keep giving him money to interpret a work of fiction. Where as Based Bill is up there fucking ripping him apart for the sake of science alone, he probably didn't even want any money for participating or anything. It's like a whole euphemism for religion; one giant shilling circle jerk and its millions of participants versus the few elite and dedicated scientists doing it for the sake of advancing and improving humantiy

>> No.6332966

You can't see air, how do we know it exists?

Checkmate atheists.

>> No.6332967

How do you know noah wasn't skilled?
YOU WEREN'T THERE
YOU DON'T KNOW ME SON
YOU DON'T KNOW

>> No.6332969

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Salem_Hypothesis

>> No.6332970

>>6332957
>We've built a model of %1 of the ark, not to scale to demonstrate
Are you shitting me right now/?

>> No.6332971

>>6332864

Is that you Bill? Are you posting on /sci/ secretly?

>> No.6332972

NYE GETTING MAD

>> No.6332975

680,000 KEN

YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT

>> No.6332976

wtf is a kind

>> No.6332977

Can any logical, self thinking human, actually believe the shit this guy is spewing? We can't focus on the past?

>> No.6332978

COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED

>> No.6332979

>>6332942
Right, but his skepticism does not support his own premises, and even if it came to pass that our dating methods were disproved, that does not constitute positive proof that the Earth is 6,000 y/o, because his own argument defeats itself (he's not 6,000 years old, how does he know?

>> No.6332973

>>6332942
That's what good liars or people with agendas use as tools of the trade.

>> No.6332974

>unsatisfied

BLOWN

THE

FUCKITY

FUCK

OUT

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6332983

>I am completely unsatisfied

>> No.6332984
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6332984

>You didn't satisfy me
Let it flow, Bill

>> No.6332985

superpowers
oh shit

>> No.6332986
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6332986

Wow, Bill is going Ham

>> No.6332988

>>6332964
I was surprised he was an Aussie, probably came to Kentuky just to hustle money from those fucking rubes
it's like a bad sitcom

>> No.6332981

> I am completely unsatisfied

COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY TROUNCED BEYOND COMPARE

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6332982

>>6332924
>>6332937
>>6332938
>>6332946
>>6332951

>> No.6332980

>accuses bill of using assumptions
>starts trying to support his position with assumptions

>> No.6332989

>>6332924
Where the fuck do you see that? I see most of them agreeing that Nye is winning.

>> No.6332990

>>6332966
Bill Nye is an embarrassment here, is he senile?

>> No.6332991

>Noat had superpowers
Why are you doing this to my sides Bill?

>> No.6332993

did anybody else catch ham say "we're not saying god created all kinds of species"

>> No.6332994

>>6332864
Wizard confirmed

>> No.6332995
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6332995

>Is this fucking guy serious?

>> No.6332996

oh god here it comes

>> No.6332998

Bill is unsatisfied

>> No.6332999

Bill, call him out on the meat-eating thing. Please.

>> No.6333000

Don't get frustrated Bill, that was his plan all along. His retard tactics are just bait to make you fluster.

>> No.6333001

COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
> COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
> COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
> COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
> COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
> COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
> COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
> COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
> COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
> COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
> COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
> COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
> COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
> COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED
> COMPLETELY UNSATISFIED

>> No.6333016

>>6333000
>>6332999
DOUBLE TRIPS. /sci/ CONFIRMED FOR SLOW EXCEPT FOR THIS THREAD

>> No.6333002

>>6332986
shut the fuck up carlos

>> No.6333003

>>6332979
skepticism is about asking for evidence, and studying that evidence.

It's not being close-minded

>> No.6333004

Bill is mad as fuck. BREAK OUT THE UNCOUTH

>> No.6333005

No, fuck you, Nye, one guy and his two kids without iron or steel or nonwooden nails could totally make a ship that large because ALIENS.

>> No.6333006

>>6332996

>using the lord's name in vain

>> No.6333007

He should have used light which is traveling from >6000 light years away to basically disprove everything once and for all


May have been too much work for these retards to follow

>> No.6333008

>>6332986
Fucking Carlos.

>> No.6333009

>>6332864
noice

>> No.6333010

WTF IS A "KIND?"

>> No.6333012

>superpowers
BILL, COOL IT. COOL IT BILL, YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING AD HOMINEM RELATED ON THE DEBATE RECORD.

>> No.6333013
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6333013

I kind of wish Bill would stop talking about the fucking ark.

>> No.6333014
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6333014

>>6332976
I don't know. The definition changes all the fucking time.

>> No.6333017
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6333017

>Completely unsatisfied
>That is unsettling.

-Bill Nye the blow out guy.

>> No.6333018

>Science that attempts to construct a theory that explains data observed in nature isn't science.

So according to Ken Ham, there is in fact no such thing as science.

Which actually really does explain his viewpoint.

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6333019

>>6332924
Good fucking god, /pol/.
For Christ's sake, they have a fucking CHART OF LOGICAL FALLACIES stickied to their goddamn board and they can't even pull their head out of Ken Ham's ass.

Jesus...

>> No.6333020

Hindu scientists > Christian scientists

Prove me wrong.

>> No.6333021

"Perhaps to you it is very obvious that Noah had super powers."


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

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6333022

>>6332864

>> No.6333023

LAY INTO HIM BILL. GO IN FOR THE KILL

>> No.6333024

BILL. BILL CALM DOWN

>> No.6333025

>>6332976
another word for "hand-wave"

>> No.6333027

>>6333020
I would if I could.

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6333028

>>6332924
/pol/ actually agrees that Ken is getting BTFO

>>26182955

>> No.6333029
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6333029

BILL MAKING US LOOK GOOD
I
L
L

M
A
K
I
N
G

U
S

L
O
O
K

G
O
O
D

>> No.6333030

>making assumptions based on previous experience

>why we should accept your word

>heck, Christians son't believe you

>your shit is based on the New Testament

>I'm looking for explanations and SCIENCE

BILL THROWS DOWN THE FACT GAUNTLET AND SHOUTS "PROVE IT BITCH"

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6333031

>>6332926
>>6332926
>>6332926

NO-ONE ELSE NOTICED THIS?

ON FUCKING /SCI/?

He just LIED to millions of people.

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lewontin's_Fallacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genetic_Diversity:_Lewontin's_Fallacy

Some fucking sceptics you are.

>> No.6333032

My wife is a "christian", but also a chemist working with antivirals...

The church she used to go to was the bible is truth variety as well, I don't know how she does it...

>> No.6333035

Did he ever bring up Dinosaurs?

>> No.6333036

BRING IT ON

>> No.6333037

>>6332864

gfg

>> No.6333038

>>6333003
Right, but skepticism is not proof of one view against another, it's simply speculation regarding the truth of certain premises. I don't think Ham is totally wrong to speculate about the nature of proof, but when his own argument posits a specific age of the earth, an age that HE did not specifically observe (which he argues, is why science fails), then it defeats itself.

>> No.6333039

>>6333019
This is a board where Jews are evil for perpetrating the Holocaust myth but Nazis are good guys for starving Russian women and children for no strategic reason

>> No.6333040

>>6333029
>>>reddit

>> No.6333041
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6333041

>noah has super powers

>> No.6333043

OH SHIT HE'S TALKING TO US!

>> No.6333044

ENGINEERS CONFIRMED FOR BEST SCIENTISTS

SUCK IT /SCI/

>> No.6333045

>Bring it on! Prove us wrong, be a hero!

Based Bill

>> No.6333046

Fuck, Bill Nye is talking to us

>> No.6333048

>b-but muh immutability of nature
>b-but you cant know nuthin
>b-but *dodges your point*
>b-but *dodges your point*

Both of them have tremendous flaws in their arguments.

>> No.6333049

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
FUCK YES

>> No.6333050

how god stupidity is about to go through the roof

>> No.6333051

TEAR IT UP OH MY FUCKING OH SHIT WHAT THE FUCKING TEAR IT UP TEAR IT UPPPPP

>> No.6333052

>>6333048
>Q&A
How boy here we go with bullshit.

>> No.6333047
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6333047

>> No.6333062

>Q&A FROM THE AUDIENCE
HERE WE FUCKING GO

>> No.6333063

>Questions from creationists

This is going to be a cringe-a-thon.

>> No.6333064

>>6333052
Brace yourselves.

>> No.6333065

>IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
TOP LEL

>> No.6333067

Q&A

THESE HILLBILLIES GON' GET MENTALLY #REKT

>> No.6333053

oh god audience questions

>> No.6333056

>>6332864
Holy shit.

>>6333048
This. Bill was doing okay at first but now he's stooping to Ham's level.

>> No.6333058

>Religion is wrong because you can't prove it

Oh fucking wow, Bill is missing the entire point of faith. Does he have alzheimers by any chance?

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6333059

>>6333047

>> No.6333068

>>6333041
I died laughing. He has no respect for the man anymore and is shitting on him now.

>> No.6333069

>>6333047
8/10

>> No.6333070
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6333070

Can we just send this cunt back to Australia?
I'm sick of Americans being misrepresented by people like this.

>> No.6333071

>>6333019
You are an idiot. Go there yourself and see how wrong you are. You read a post and took it as fact, so you are as bad as Ham.

>> No.6333072

>"What cause does that serve in the grand design"
ANON RECKING ASS

>> No.6333073
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6333073

>"creationist astronomers"

>> No.6333075

>the bible says

>> No.6333076

>stream is going to shit

PULL THE PLUG, PULL THE PLUG!

>> No.6333077

STRETCHING OUT HEAVEN

>> No.6333085

Universe confirmed goatse, god is the hands

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6333086

le not amused face

>> No.6333087
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6333087

>>6333013

>> No.6333088
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6333088

Bill looks like he's about to punch the other guy

>> No.6333089

>muh preaching
>muh dodging

my fucking sides i cant

>> No.6333078
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6333078

>stretches out the heavens

>> No.6333079

Wow Ham, so you're fine with worshipping a non-existent egomaniac huh

>> No.6333080

>>6333070
Not Australian, but do you know if they'd want him back? Why not just send him to Antarctica?

>> No.6333081

>god made the universe just so humans can go "huh, this is cool"

get #REKT faggot

>> No.6333083

Take a shot everytime Ham dodges the questions and says how Great God is

>> No.6333084
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6333084

>heaven is in space

>> No.6333094

>god is great because making the stars was a sidenote

genius

>> No.6333097

god is a show off

>> No.6333098

Christian God confirmed for schizophrenic.

>> No.6333099
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6333099

>> No.6333100

>>6333083
>encouraging people to drink a lethal amount of alcohol
shame on you, anon

>> No.6333090

>stretches out the heavens
>observational science
>god did it i can't explain it

Its over.

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6333091

>>6333047
Shit, beat me to it

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6333092

>"I can't answer that question"

>> No.6333093

>god will never stretch out your heaven

tfw

>> No.6333109

>>6333038
Arguing for unprovable things like creationism always relies upon either misinterpreting facts or in making skeptical claims and acting as though those claims are a counter to truths based on science.

>we know the age of the universe because we can measure the distance that stars are away from use using the parallax method and the speed of light
>Well how do you know the speed of light?
>We tested it with rather simple and provable methods.
>Well how do you know those methods aren't just giving bad data?
>ad infinitum

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6333110

I have this face too Bill, I do too.

>> No.6333111

>>6333086
>I'm gonna hate fuck your wife

>> No.6333113
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6333113

>THE BIBLE SAYS
>THE BIBLE SAYS
>THE BIBLE SAYS

>> No.6333114

>He doesn't know why God made the universe expand
>He does know why God made the stars

>> No.6333103

>>6333070

America is the place where idiots are free to be idiots.

I'm mostly okay with it.

>> No.6333104

>>6333077
I'm now picturing God stretching his asshole to create the heavens, Goatse-style.

>> No.6333105

THE BIBLE SAYS
GOD SAYS
ALL POWERFUL
STRETCHING OUT HEAVEN
BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS

>> No.6333106
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6333106

>stretching out the heavens

>> No.6333107

jesus fuck this is embarrassing

>> No.6333108

GOD IS LITERALLY STRETCHING THE HEAVEN'S WITH HIS HANDS LIKE JESUS STRETCHED MARY'S VAGINA TO HER ASS.

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6333116

>>6333085
>Stretching out the heavens

>> No.6333123
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6333123

>STRETCHES OUT THE UNIVERSE

>> No.6333124
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6333124

>>6333078
so the bible fucking proved expanding universe ages ago
i'm convinced

>> No.6333125

>>6333056
I missed most of the first part (stopped watching during Ham's exposition and picked back up when he was laying out his argument).

So far, both Bill Nye and Ken Ham keep falling into huge logical fallacies in their arguments, namely talking about things that they do not understand and dodging each other's points (Bill completely ignored the trees in the basalt after Ham said there wasn't just a layer of basalt over some trees, for example).

>> No.6333126

wow such god, so impressive

>> No.6333127

if god is so great, and he can use his magic to build the universe, why can't he use his magic to build me a well paying job

>> No.6333118

>>6333106
christ almighty

>> No.6333119

OH MY GOD KEN SAVE FACE AND JUST STOP

>> No.6333121
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6333121

>>6333099
>>6333091
>>6333047
make the text look like this

>> No.6333122

>>6333106

thanks god

>> No.6333129

>>6333106
>>6333104
haha

>> No.6333132

>>6333091

11/10

>> No.6333133

>>6333106
oh

>> No.6333138
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6333138

from /pol/

>> No.6333140

>no air

>> No.6333142

>>6333106
fucking hell.

>> No.6333143 [DELETED] 

>>6333071
> to show us his power

Because An omnipotent , omniscient god would need validation from us mere mortals right?

>> No.6333144

>>6333116

kek

>> No.6333135

NYE IS STUMPED

#REKT

>> No.6333136

>>6333070
fuck off we're full

>> No.6333137

"What came before the Big Bang?"
dis gon b gud.

>> No.6333146
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6333146

>Bill bringing the fucking house down on their heads.

>> No.6333147

>Religion fag
"MUH GOD DID THIS MUH GOD DID THAT"
>Science Bro
"WE DID THIS, WE DID THAT"

Whose side will you be on when the war comes?

>> No.6333148

it's like this
BOOOOOM
except there's no air so it's like this

lost my shit

>> No.6333149

>>6333127

Also why can't use his magic to find me a girlfriend?

Please god

>> No.6333150

Some Kentuckian trolling Nye with the origin of the Big Bang question.

>> No.6333145

>what created the atoms

what created god

>> No.6333154

wut does asintoticalliy mean, bill huh

>> No.6333156

Did Nye just use 'asymptotically' in front of a Creation Museum audience?

>> No.6333157
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6333157

from /b/

>> No.6333159

Guys, how does live youtube work? Will I be able to watch this later? I have to leave for work and I just tuned in a bit ago.

Silly question I know.

>> No.6333160

>>6333109
Right. To some extent, arguments regarding past knowledge are inductive to some extent, and given the fact that scientific arguments HAVE evidence that support them make them more plausible than other arguments and iterative skepticisms. But, I don't think that anything in this argument has shown that God is incompatible with scientific observations (until you get specific enough) just not PROVABLE via logic and observation.

>> No.6333161

>How did the atoms get there for the big bang
>WE DON'T KNOW, LET'S FIND OUT

At least Bill sticks to science instead of MUH BIBLE

>> No.6333162

>>6333154

Asymptotically you pleb.

>> No.6333158

>>6333149
>dark matter
>mathematical
pick 1

>> No.6333164

>muh bible

>> No.6333165

THIS BIBLE SHIT

>> No.6333166

>"MUH BIBLE"
THIS SHIT AGAIN!?

>> No.6333167
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6333167

>>6333086

>> No.6333168

>The Bible

Again and again, Jesus fuck, stop appealing to authority you fucking fagggoooootottt

>> No.6333170

>GOD CREATED MATTER

>> No.6333171

>>6333159
Yes.

>> No.6333172

>>6333159
yeah it should be archived on that channel, if its not uploaded anywhere else

>> No.6333180

>>6333161
>MUH BIBLE

Guess what, more of that right now

>> No.6333181
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6333181

HOLY SHIT

FUCKING REKT

BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

BILL NYE IS DONE

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6333182

>> No.6333183
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6333183

>There is a book that tells us where matter's from
Me: Woah, what?? Oh....

Good night, everybody. It's ogre.

>> No.6333184

>there's a book that tells us where matter came from

Holy

Fucking

Shit

I hate this man.

>> No.6333163 [DELETED] 

Sorry that comment was meant as a standalone not towards the person I quoted

>> No.6333173

IT'S ALL IN THE BIBLE

>> No.6333174
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6333174

ok

that was funny

>> No.6333175

>Student from Kentucky solving the mystery of where we came from
Good one Bill

>> No.6333176
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6333176

>there is a book out there that explains

>> No.6333178

>"There is a book out there that tells you where matter came from"
>People laugh

What the fuck

>> No.6333179

>ken resorting to playing to the audience

oh god

#rekt

#itsover

#breakitbill

>> No.6333185

>The Bible is the only thing that makes logical sense

>> No.6333186

>The Bible said
Okay, kill me now

>> No.6333187

>no proof
Free dibs on fake proof!

>> No.6333188

[LACK OF SATISFACTION INTENSIFYING]

>> No.6333192

Fucking braindead kentuckians.

>> No.6333194

>>6333148
please someone give me the exact time moment when this happened

>> No.6333195

ohhhhhh shit that's a good question
evidence is gold

and here ken goes with some bullshit that doesn't answer anything

>> No.6333196

does this fuck memorize every line of the bible

>> No.6333197

>there's a book out there

>> No.6333190
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6333190

GENESIS 1:1 MOTHERFUCKA LOOK IT UP

>> No.6333191
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6333191

>There's a book
Fuck this guy
Seriously

>> No.6333200

>"there's a book that tells us where matter comes from"
>hillbillies laugh because they think he's going to call bill an idiot for not doing his research
>"it's called the bible"

ya blew it

>> No.6333201

>Trying to explain facts to kid on the playground
>"NUH UH MY MOM SAID YOU'RE WRONG"

This is exactly what this is.

>> No.6333202

>>6333157
>going to /b/ ever

>> No.6333204

>completely dodging the question

>> No.6333205

>You can't use the bible

>eh uh eh, the majority can be wrong!

>> No.6333206

>THE MAJORITY IS WRONG

AAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHH

>> No.6333207

>>6333171
>>6333172
Thanks bros. I'll try and have a laugh after work tonight!

>> No.6333208

>there's a book out there

holy shit. this dude is a moron

>> No.6333209

I just want Bill to use the magic "what proves the bible" and implode his argument.

>> No.6333214
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6333214

>God created everything
>only thing that makes sense

>> No.6333215

OH SHIT LETS SEE IF HE WILL MENTION THE BIBLE NOW.

>> No.6333216
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6333216

>christians misunderstanding middle school introductory theory of evolution homework packet

>> No.6333217
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6333217

>mfw from Kentucky

I p-promise we're not all like this, guys.

>> No.6333220

BUT THUH MAJOWITY

>> No.6333210

GOD = THE BIG BANG
CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANT NIGGERS. I JUST WON THE DEBATE

>> No.6333213

>There's a boo-

>Americans start clapping and shitting themselves with laughter as BBT's laughtrack plays in the background

>> No.6333223

>There's this book


HUEHEUHEUHEUHEU BRETTY GUD KEN HAMB HOLLY BIBBEL

>> No.6333230

>Just because the majority believe something, it doesn't mean it's true

But the majority of people believe in some kind of religion...

>> No.6333232

He's refuting his own argument.
>Just because the majority believes it, doesn't mean it's true
The majority believes in the Bible.

Ham BTFO

>> No.6333224

>Ham making predictions
>Ham is god

>> No.6333226

>>6333160
The issue is that God would be a totally unobservable phenomena. Anything God would do could be attributed to the mechanics of nature (since God would have created those mechanics anyways). Observing God would be like trying to observe whether the admin of a server was fucking with people when the server doesn't keep logs of admin activity. It might as well have been the game itself spawning those exploding barrels.

There's a reason its called "faith". I think those that hold faith often forget that.

>> No.6333227

"I missed the last part of the quesiton"

he's trying to kill time

>> No.6333229

>WHAT EVIDENCE OTHER THAN THE BIBLE
>ADAM AND EVE

>> No.6333242

>>6333217
this would be in kentucky lol
have you ever gone to this museum?

>> No.6333243

>admit that you can never know what happened in the past except you already can but i'm ignoring that fact

>> No.6333244

>>6333217
Mfw I'm from Quebec.

I know how you feel.

>> No.6333246

>>6332979
Absolutely, it's like he was trying to re-frame creationism as a "kind" of science and never intended to use the forum to validate creationism as a origins explanation.

>>6332973
I think if this debate is publicly analyzed it should be easily demonstrable even to the uneducated majority that Ham DEFINITELY came in with an agenda, and almost never refuted Bill's central points.

Related, I think everyone should note how Ham hid behind the grammatical ambiguity in his "kinds/species" argument and made it look like Bill attacked a strawman, when in all likelihood Ham probably prepared rebuttals for both interpretations of his original "kinds/species" argument. It's particularly interesting how Ham's "rebuttal", pre-readied slides only barely related to Bill's argument and mainly served to expand on his introductory remarks.

I can't really comment on the science as a math/philosophy senior, and I think we'd all benefit if people studying the respective fields could outline the contradictions between the two sides. Also, I'm pretty tired, so I'm sorry if my writing is lacking in good structure, and English isn't my first language.

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6333248

>What evidence supports your model besides the bible
>points to the Bible
>we can't observe the past

>> No.6333234

>the majority was wrong this time
>therefore the majority is wrong
jesus fucking christ

>> No.6333235

ONE RACE CONFIRMED

NEVER MIND THAT MOUNTAIN OF GENETIC EVIDENCE

>> No.6333236
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6333236

>muh bible
>muh book
>muh prediction
>muh majority

>> No.6333237

And if everyone thought like Ken Ham we would've kept on thinking that God designed hospitals to be filthy death traps, instead of developing germ theory.

>> No.6333238
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6333238

>matter can't create langue
mother fucker doesn't understand that shit prefers to be in the most thermodynamically configuration, like this shit right here

>> No.6333239

>Prove creationism, don't use the bible
>THE MAJORITY ISN'T ALWAYS RIGHT!
>YOU CAN'T PROVE NUFFIN!

>> No.6333241

>>6333217
I truly feel for you

>> No.6333251

TIME KEEPER CALLED HAM OUT

>> No.6333252

>I wasn't there so it didn't fucking happen

>> No.6333253

>what evidence apart from the bible proves creation
>the bible says

>> No.6333254

>I have to disabuse you of a fundamental idea
You tell him Bill

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6333257

>can you give us proof thats not the bible
>lol heres the bible
this fuckin guy

>> No.6333259
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6333259

>> No.6333260

>i missed the last part of the question
holy fuck i lol'd

>> No.6333267
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6333267

>There is a book that explains it all. /argument

why...

>> No.6333268

>DON'T KNOW
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
DON'T SAY THAT

>> No.6333269

We are into free will noa!!!

>> No.6333270
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6333270

"Don't know"

IT'S OGRE

>> No.6333271
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6333271

>Kinds

>> No.6333264

>consciousness
top lel

>> No.6333266

>>6333217
It's ok bro, I'm from louisiana, I know the feel

>> No.6333274

>>6333210
>all caps
>saying niggers
>>>/b/

>> No.6333277

Bill pls, you don't have time to talk about dogs

>> No.6333278
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6333278

HAMm'S LOOKIN GREASY

>> No.6333279

>>6333268
But we don't, it's the right fucking answer

>> No.6333280

I'm pretty disappointed.

I thought Ham might actually make some points about intelligent design from a somewhat philosophical perspective.

But using the Bible as a primary source doesn't work unless you first justify the Bible, and that's not what this was supposed to be about.

Forget whether you believe in the Bible or not, its not a *USEFUL* explanation for anything. It has no real-world application. You can believe it but not much you can do with it.

>> No.6333272

>>6333248

So I guess all forensic science is moot.
Best kill everyone in jail and let jesus sort them out since we cant prove the past.

>> No.6333283

>>6333268
>>6333277
I love ya Bill but this is too much

>> No.6333284
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6333284

>Don't know

And now he's stuttering and flustered, holy fuck Bill is so far out of his depth, is this what happens when Fedora fags talk in front of an audience?

>> No.6333285

All of these people are going to take these "I don't know"s and instantly say "Ham wins" and that's really upsetting. It gives him a huge advantage.

>> No.6333286

new thread
>>6333282
>>6333282
>>6333282
>>6333282
>>6333282

>> No.6333287

>>6333268
why the fuck wouldn't he, no one knows

>> No.6333289
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6333289

Where is he going with this dogs thing?

>> No.6333291

>>6333274
>afraid of a word
*tips fedora*

>> No.6333293

>the answer to everything is: the bible said so

>> No.6333298

>THERE'S A BOOK OUT THERE
HOLY FUCKING SHIT HE'S DOING IT AGAIN

>> No.6333301

AGAIN WITH THE BOOK

>> No.6333303

THERE IS A BOOK OUT THERE, BILL

MAKE IT STOP

M
A
K
E

I
T

S
T
O
P

>> No.6333305

>There's a book out there
JESUS FUCK
AGAIN

>> No.6333306

THERE'S A BOOK OUT THERE

>> No.6333307
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6333307

>There is a book out there

>> No.6333308

>tax money is being used for science
WHY ISN'T THIS TAX MONEY BEING USED FOR DEFENSE? FUCK YOU BILL
>MUH GUNS

>> No.6333310

HE DID IT AGAIN

>> No.6333313

>>6333285
this is true, and theres going to be a lot more of this

>> No.6333320
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6333320

WHAT IS THIS?!?!?!

BIBLE THUMPING, AGAIN????

>> No.6333321

>>6333280
william lane craig makes much better points, like 50 times better

and william craig is a fucking retard

basically every point from ham was "bible says" and "you werent there" and "look at this one scientist say this thing". at least craig tries

>> No.6333323
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6333323

This motherfucker and his book

>> No.6333324

Wow.

>> No.6333328

This shit makes me rage, going to do my differential equations homework

>> No.6333329

guys
theres a fucking book out there

>> No.6333330

HE DID THE BIBLE JOKE AGAIN

WHY

>> No.6333331

Are you fucking for real, Ken?

>> No.6333333
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6333333

>The bibble

NOT A-FUCKIN-GAIN

>> No.6333338

>there's a book

So, this guy could be replaced with a chatty katy doll with Jesus catchphrases.

>> No.6333339

>>6333267
AGAIN

>> No.6333342

>There a book out there...
Oh boy he we go again

>> No.6333344

That fucking book again.

>> No.6333346

>>6333268
>>6333270
>>6333284
He's right though, would you rather he dodge the question or just bullshit?

>> No.6333348

Did he just admit to bestiality with dogs?
And now he's talking about crystal life forms like life is a video game...

Is Bill Nye senile?

>> No.6333353

>What is the point of discovering?

>If you don't believe in god you cannot enjoy knowledge

>> No.6333358

LOL he hasn't given anything! What a dumbass! He's finished! No evidence given! HAHAHAHA

>> No.6333361

>that question
#FUCKINGREKT

>> No.6333363

I'M A CHRISTIAN

>> No.6333365

>>6333268
He's right, he doesn't know. Science's strength is, in my opinion, that someday, with the shoulders of giants, we may figure things like that out.

>> No.6333366

>>6333346
Admitting you don't know is part of the scientific method.

>> No.6333368

>>6333342
Nigga, you don't understand: THERE'S A BOOK. That explains everything.

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6333370

God fucking dammit.

>> No.6333375

>I CAN'T PROVE IT BUT GOD SAID SO

>IM WRONG BUT IM NOT WRONG

>> No.6333377

>if there's nothing after death why do anything?
BECAUSE WE OWE SOMETHING TO THE NEXT GENERATION. IF WE DON'T LEAVE SOMETHING BEHIND WHAT ARE WE?

>> No.6333378

>I'll never change my mind. Bibble shilling continues

>> No.6333379

For every time Ham uses the bible as evidence from now on I am going to donate $5 to my local Church of Satan.

>> No.6333381

You're not answering the question, you fuck.

>> No.6333384

"Im a Christian..."
stop...just stop

>> No.6333386

THE OFFICIAL DEBATE CONCLUSIONS, EVERYONE:

Earth Is NOT 6k years old
Flood and story of Ark not likely probable without God/Scientifically proven today.
ALL HUMANS ARE ONE SPECIES
Science cannot explain consciousness nor explain origins of matter, while the Bible can.

Creationist here, but Ken Ham wasted everyones time for the most part.

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6333389

>the answer is i'm a christian
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.6333391
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6333391

>I can't change my mind. I JUST know I'm right.

IT'S OVER.

>> No.6333393

IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN AN AFTERLIFE

THERE IS NO POINT TO ENJOYING THINGS ON EARTH

HE LITERALLY SAID THAT

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>> No.6333396
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6333396

Fucking Kentuckians laughing at the same joke twice AND being so fucking retarded. Im staring across the frozen river hating you.

>> No.6333397

>>6333333
nice get mate

>> No.6333399

>I can't prove shit but there's a book out there

>> No.6333402
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6333402

>no matter what evidence I see I won't change my mind
>I'm a scientist

>> No.6333403

There you have it gentlemen, eloquence and rhetoric is taking over logic and evidence.

This is the day that i reaffirmed how the common population is so gullible.

>> No.6333405

>I'm a Christian

/debate
RIP science

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6333406

>>6333386

leave /sci/

>> No.6333407

>>6333386
>Science cannot explain consciousness AT THIS MOMENT nor explain origins of matter, while the Bible can.
Fixed that

>> No.6333411

I've realized right now that Bill Nye is a saint. I have no idea how he hasn't just grabbed Ken by the throat to choke him to death after saying, "Muh bible," for the I don't know how many fucking times he's given a fucking nonanswer.

>> No.6333412

>>6333396
>tfw Kojima was the man who got me into genes and science as a kid when I played MGS1
>tfw people are still retarded

>> No.6333413

>>6333226
Right. Isolating God is difficult given the varied interpretations of certain premises.

>> No.6333420
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6333420

>>6333386
>creationist here

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6333423

>There is a book out there!

>Might as well kill yourself since you think Heaven isn't real, what's the point of living!
"real" christians fucking terrify me, I feel like they'd be the first to descend into savagery if they didn't have a book of morals to follow unquestioningly.

>> No.6333424

>>6333396
Maybe they laughed at Ken and not the joke, I know I did.

"Is he really fucking doing this?"

>> No.6333430

If you don't remember what happened before your were born then how do you know what will happen when you die?

>> No.6333431

INCOMING #REKT

>> No.6333433

>>6333407

>THE BOOK
check yourself

>> No.6333439

>>6333406
>hurrder creationists can't into science
Fuck off

Adding to the chart: There is no point of science absent God and Medicine

>> No.6333441

What can you prove?
THERE'S A BOOK OUT THERE!

>> No.6333443

>What can you prove?
THE BIG ONE

>> No.6333444

What.

Can.

You.

Prove?

>> No.6333446

>what can you prove?
B
L
O
W
N

T
H
E

F
U
C
K

O
U
T

>> No.6333448

WHAT CAN YOU PROVE ITS OGRE

>> No.6333451

>>6333420
Tri.moon ? Is that you ?

Conclusion, this debate served nothing.
>I am a christian so I know, fuck your bullshit.

Okay.

>> No.6333452

>>6333424
It's Kentucky. I know what they where laughing at....

>> No.6333455

>Lord Kelvin

>> No.6333456

>>6333423
Well yes.

>> No.6333458

Bill Nye stumbling.

Bill pls

>> No.6333459

>>6333407
>At this moment
That phrase implies faith, check yourself

>> No.6333463

>>6333452
I always thought the shittiest state was Iowa... Is kentucky worst ?

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6333467

>>6333202
Shockingly, It's not as bad as other boards from a /sci/ perspective. Randomly you'll find science and math threads on /b/. MRI anon here used to crosspost his guides/threads over there too.

/pol/ is probably the most anti-science board.

>> No.6333469

AS A REASONABLE MAN

>> No.6333472

how do neutrons become protons, i thought they were different particles

>> No.6333473
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This entire QA
>Bill
>I dont know

>Ken
>MUH BIBLE

How exciting...

>> No.6333487

>EARTH IS NO THAT OLD BILL!!!!

>> No.6333488

>>6333472

They eject an electron.

>> No.6333489

>>6333472
How are you allowed to browse /sci/

>> No.6333494

>>6333439


Creationists spit on science.

>> No.6333481

>>6333463
Not sure if it's the worst. But it's god damn close.

>> No.6333482

>>6333472
Decay of atoms.

>> No.6333483

>>6333386
ADDING TO THE CHART: Creationists cannot draw conclusions, Nye continues to imply Creationism is a separate science, Ham does not seem to refute this claim.

>> No.6333497

>>6333472
Beta Decay
Weak force

>> No.6333500

>>6332616
Fuck you the bible goes against evolution, you cant squiggle out of this one son.

>> No.6333501

>>6333473
thats the very best thing bill could say though

>> No.6333505

>>6333482
but it's not an atom its a fundamental particle. and atom is like hydrogen, oxygen etc....

>> No.6333507

>Creationists telling scientists they can't prove anything

>> No.6333508

>>6333473

gee, things we don't currently know how works we don't know how currently works? what you want bill to start lying?

>> No.6333509

dat good fuckin question bout to stump the fuck outta Ham

>> No.6333515

>>6333494
Nope

>> No.6333520

>>6333439
the foundations of belief in creationism are in direct opposition to scientific fact. So no, creationists CAN'T into science

>> No.6333522

>>6333473
That's pretty much the entire evolutionists vs creationists debate, I don't know why anyone expected different.

>> No.6333528

I love how earlier Bill tried to make a reference to a sports team thinking the lowest common denominators making up his audience would appreciate it. Fucking complete crickets.

Pretty sure people from that part of the country view Seattle as the liberal seat of the goat'n'horns Satan on earth, plucking unborn babies out of wombs and fucking straight men gay.

>> No.6333531

>>6333507

>YOU CANNOT PREDICT BILL BECAUSE IS JUST ASSUMPTIONS!!!

>> No.6333532

>>6333520
>Scientific fact
Science by nature is not allowed to have facts.

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>>6333500
oh really tell me more

>> No.6333536

i miss hitchens, i would have loved to see him fuck this guys asshole and make fun of his retardation

>> No.6333539

>>6333528
>Seattle as the liberal seat of the goat'n'horns Satan on earth, plucking unborn babies out of wombs and fucking straight men gay.

>Implying it isn't

>> No.6333541

is this crowd full of hicks or something?

>> No.6333542

THE SPEED THE CONTINENTS ARE DRIFTING IS AN ASSUMPTION, YOU CAN'T PROVE IT BILL.

>> No.6333544

>>6333520
Can you prove God did not exist or the origin of matter? It's impossible.

>> No.6333548

>mfw Bill represents /sci/ and Ham /pol/

>> No.6333550

>>6333541
Yes. Old hicks who have been religious since youth.

>> No.6333551

So if the kind of science Hamburger is criticizing is invalid because it assumes that things functioned in the past as they do today despite not having been around to see it, wouldn't the fact that he wasn't around to see the events of the bible equivalently render his own position undefendable?

>> No.6333556

inb4 Ham says 'Bible' is his favorite color

>> No.6333557

>>6333467

>/pol/ is probably the most anti-science board.

Wow really?

Is that why population genetics and HBD discussion is de-facto banned on /sci/ and now lives on /pol/?

Because /pol/ is anti-science?

>> No.6333558

>how WE do it
>not you dumb fucking hicks

>> No.6333559

>>6333541
yep.

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>> No.6333570

>>6333551
Shhhh.

Though I am wondering why Bill hasn't brought that up.

>> No.6333572

It's impossible to debate this guy because of how close minded he is

>> No.6333573

HAHAHAHAHAH THERMODYNAMICS

>> No.6333587

>>6333544
No, but I can prove how old the earth is, and that man was not created with the first living organisms on earth, etc...which all contradict claims in the bible

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>2nd Law of Thermodynamics
it had to happen at some point

>> No.6333596

>>6333551
God said it and was written in a book by some old dude who followed a hippie through a desert.

>> No.6333600

CLOSED SYSTEM

>> No.6333603

>>6333587
No it doesn't, it contradicts Ken Ham's interpretation of the Bible, which I never claimed to be true.

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>entropy

>> No.6333610

Oh man, Ken is such a smug cunt.

>> No.6333613

>Energy and matter cannot ever produce life

OPARIN IS FUCKING RAGING IN HIS TOMB!

>> No.6333627

Liar's. Paradox.

>> No.6333632

this shit is staged as fuck

>> No.6333634

WHAT THE FUCK DID HE JUST SAY?!
Don't tell me ya'll missed that.

>> No.6333637

>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
>ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE
ENERGY AND MATTER WILL NEVER PRODUCE LIFE

>> No.6333639

>>6333632
this.

>> No.6333642

YOU CANNOT PROVE THE AGE OF THE EARTH!!

>> No.6333643

>Energy and Matter will never produce life
Is this buster for real?

>> No.6333647

YOU CAN'T PROVE THE AGE
THERE IS NO HYPOTHETICAL

>> No.6333650

>there is no hypothetical
u wot

>> No.6333653

>>6333603
Just to be clear we are talking about Creationism right? I can't disprove God himself or shake you faith in Christianity, but the idea that God created the Earth 4,000 years ago and evolution didn't happen can be disproven

>> No.6333654

inb4 AI is made in 2015

>> No.6333673

>>6333544

>refer to philosophical burden of proof

why is a proof of the origin of matter necessary for creationists to lose credence in the scientific community

>> No.6333660

What if we found a stone tablet that said "The Earth is more than four-thousand years old" that was signed by God?

Checkmate, Ham.

>> No.6333664

The fact that he said that while being a creature made up purely of matter and the energy in its various forms or storage is disgusting.

>> No.6333666

>I reject your hypothetical scenario and substitute my own dogma

>> No.6333683

>>6333632
>tfw you realize this isn't a traditional debate, but an attempt to educate in the format of debate. neither contender can win, but the audience member that learns to think about something differently wins.

>> No.6333701

>>6333653
We are, many Creationists believe rightfully the Bible does not literally claim the earth to be 6000 years old, the date of the flood being 4000 years ago. Ken Ham is wrong, you can make estimated guesses on the age of the Earth, using the ice method Nye said etc. He's just lying right now.

>>6333673
Because that undermines the entire theory, and a lack of evidence to the contrary, or a misinterpretation of said "evidence" actually boosts the faith of followers.

>> No.6333703

>>6333557
/pol/ never actually posts modern population genetics. It only posts articles from before the human genome was sequenced. Its users also fail to understand the scientific method, rates of speciation, controlled experiments, statistics, even their first order logic grasp seems shoddy.

The people you encounter posting research papers in /pol/ are just bloggers who see those things linked on other blogs and repost it without understanding or reading it. I know because we see them post it here and then have to explain that the populations in the paper aren't talking about caucasoids vs negroids.

>> No.6333713

>>6333683

This. This is going to hurt Creationism and it's followers greatly because a lot of people will see just how fucking insane Creationists are.

>> No.6333716

>>6333703
Way to go Bill

>> No.6333723

>>6333701
Well through all of the Who begats whom business in the bible you can measure the amount of timw between the creation of Adam to the time of Jesus, so they assume that Adam was created within 7 days of the creation of earth.

>> No.6333727

>>6333701

Can you prove that god does not not exist?

>> No.6333728

GOD IS NECESSARY FOR SCIENCE!!!

>> No.6333729

/pol/ here

We don't have many Ham Flams as people are saying
The polls we had are averaging 75% for Bill while 25% for Ham

>> No.6333730

"We are feeding 7 billion people"

I heard that, yup

>> No.6333731

>>6333683
I think the inherit issue with discussing with...lesser educated people about such topics is that a creatitionist's "argument" is easy. The Bible says it and God did it.

Using science, you have to point to theories built upon theories built upon axioms. In my earlier example about knowing the minimum age of the universe based upon the age of the stars (which you can garner through parallax method and the speed of light) requires that the person being talked to understand the parallax method and the speed of light. So if they dispute that, you now have to teach them those theories and their experiments to prove them, and so on.

Now imagine doing this with a Kentuckian.

>> No.6333732

Ham not responding to the question, and going with the same bullshit.

>> No.6333747

>what do you mean by literally

>> No.6333757

Ham dodging shit with semantics.
How am I not surprised

>> No.6333759

>>6332864
our prophet

>> No.6333762

>define 'is'

>> No.6333766

>>6333727
Yes, the bible makes many claims about the future, and through further study of our current day. If these things were to not occur, the bible would be proven wrong.

>> No.6333774

another fucking nonanswer

>> No.6333786

Ham should have been a logician, he would have been really good at it, too bad he was raised by dumbfucks in dumbfuckistan.

>> No.6333789

>2014
>Not being polytheist
Why are polytheist religions (nordic, egyptians etc...) should be considered as not relevant but those "books" should ?

>> No.6333792

>>6333723
I believe humans are 6000 years old, but you don't understand that the days are not 24 hours each. I'm sorry if it sounds condescending. For example, what would you say if I asserted the 7th day, of "rest" has not ended yet?

>> No.6333793

>>6333730
Give him a break, he hasn't backhanded Ham despite listening to all this rhetoric bullshit.

>> No.6333809

>>6333786

How do you figure?

>> No.6333813

>>6333793
He already won, but touting that arrogant ignorance needs to be toned down a little

>> No.6333814

>>6333792
That's an explanation that I'm prepared to get down with, but most creationists, and mr. ham himself do not.

>> No.6333818

>>6333792
>I believe humans are 6000 years old

Holy shit you're retarded. Just kill yourself, seriously.

>> No.6333831

>>6333789
I only feel slightly less confused by people that follow the major three religions because there is a likelihood they were indoctrinated from birth.

Most people that are pagans and wiccans or whatever sought it out as adults.

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>>6333703

>It only posts articles from before the human genome was sequenced

You've obviously never even read a HDB thread on /pol/.

Go ahead and check how many of these papers are prior to 2000.

http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/

Pictured is /sci/'s tolerance for contentious scientific issues.

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>>6333613
Fucking finally I found it.

>> No.6333835

>>6333818
Like, no, jk, i might now that you told me to Anon...

>> No.6333841

>>6333786
No.

>> No.6333850

>>6333792
Oh yeah, well I also have the power of invisibility so you can't even see me, YOU'RE IT!

>> No.6333858

>>6333786
Politician. FTFY.

>> No.6333859

wheels

Your move, ken

>> No.6333860

>genetic adaption
the flu?

>> No.6333863

>>6333809
well he's good at first making strict definitions of things and then using that to prove something, that's what we do in mathematics but it's also the basic of logic. Basically, he has the right idea of how to prove things, but he's using it on illogical things like the bible.

>> No.6333874

>>6333833
Psychology Journals don't use controlled experiments and largely handwave the scientific method. They (like the other social sciences) are considered pseudosciences on /sci/ for this reason.

>> No.6333876

>why should we trust the laws of nature

>> No.6333883

Did this motherfucker just say that logic was invented by Christians and not FUCKING PLATO?

>> No.6333886

WE ARE CREATIONIST NIGGAS; YO HAVE TO BELIEVE US!!

>> No.6333889

>>6333850
Eaat shieeeeeeeeeeeeeet

>> No.6333897

>>6333766
what makes you think that today is the 'future' the bible predicted?

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>>6333899

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>>6333874

Well at least you're right about something.

http://radishmag.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/crazy-talk/

>> No.6333917

I know Bill Nye was the patron saint of /sci/, but seriously, this man deserves a hug for being so in control of himself. A lesser man would have already left the stage.

I think Bill is going to get heart palpitations from this or something. Seriously.

>> No.6333918

>>6333897
Through the self-claimed inspired interpretations of prophetic writings by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. It sounds stupid, I know.

>> No.6333959

>>6333912
It's worse than that. Check this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

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>These fucking retarded questions...

>> No.6333978

>it's not survival of the fittest when animals who die and are thus unfit die

>> No.6333989

Is this what this debate has come down to?

>> No.6333990

>>6333883
No, he's saying the only possible answer to Hume's problem of induction is God, which is also stupid.

Really, though, if you believe in an omnipotent and omniscient entity, then that entity necessarily has to be responsible for everything.

>> No.6333998

FUCKIN BIBLE AGAIN GODDAMMIT

>> No.6333999

>not survival of the fittest?
>survival of those fit to survive
Survival of the fittest??? DUH
ugh and requesting Bill's Boss dance in gif please

>> No.6334004

>>6333959

Haha yeah I know about that.

Fucking hilarious.

>> No.6334018

HAVE YOU GUYS HEARD OF THIS BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE?

>> No.6334019

"It's not survival of the fittest, it's the survival of those who survive" -Ken Ham

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THERE
IS
A
MOTHER
FUCKING
BOOK

>> No.6334029

>MUH FUCKING BOOK IS THE ONLY ONE WITH A MYTHIC ORIGIN OF EVERYTHING!!!

DO you even other ancient cultures?

>> No.6334043

>>6334018
IT'S VERY UNIQUE

>> No.6334062

Does the Quran account the same things like the Bible?

>> No.6334068

MY OLD PROFFESSOR CARL SAGAN!!

>> No.6334069

Ham has never read any other religious text except for the Bible, apparently.

>> No.6334073

BILL NYE
ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL/10

>> No.6334074

"I don't know that htere's any other religion that starts out with a book that tells you where things came from!"

How about the religion you "borrowed" your book from?

>> No.6334082

>Carl Sagan

Nye wins. Final nail in the Ark.

>> No.6334126

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbzouFaMJU4

>> No.6334112

>>6334082
CARLOS

>> No.6334115

more words = good argument

>> No.6334121

BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILLBILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILLBILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILLBILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILLBILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILLBILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL

>> No.6334137

BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL
THAT FUCKING CHANTING

>> No.6334139

Who win?

>> No.6334141

>>6334115
Um, no, actually.

Facts, logic, and reason = good argument

>> No.6334144

Bill: Evidence

Ken: MUH BOOK THO

>> No.6334150

LEVEL 2 SNOW WARNING

IT"S HABBENING

>> No.6334154

>>6334062
No, it has stories like Noahs ark but it doesn't say that it was a global flood or that he carried both kinds of every animal, so its more logical. And the Quran also describes evolution.

>> No.6334165

>>6334121
>>6334126
>>6334137
MOD PLS PUT THIS IN BACKGROUND ON /SCI/

PLS

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Bill's a true patriot

>> No.6334181

>>6334150
GOD MAD

>> No.6334183

>>6334139
BILL BILL BILL BILL

>> No.6334191

>>6334141
sorry, I forgot my greentext

>> No.6334215

This was the intellectual equivalent of Bill Nye, Carl Sagan, Dickie Dawkins, and NDT running a train on Ken's wife.

>> No.6334219

>>6332518
HAM FOR DINNER, CAN'T GRILL THE BILL

>> No.6334230

>>6333386
FINAL UPDATE:

BILL NYE HAS WON THE DEBATE ON THE BASE KEN HAM INTRODUCED MORE DOCTRINE THAN SCIENCE TO PROVE THE SCIENTIFIC VALUE OF THE CREATIONIST THEORY.

>> No.6334372

facebook com/theblaze/posts/10152221748256499

it hurts

>> No.6334413

I still don't understand why Ken Ham thinks Christians invented logic. Was Socrates and Plato just prechristian Christians or something?

>> No.6334420

>>6334413
well, there's this book, and it says that everyone is descendant from Adam and Eve, who were christian.

therefore everyone is christian.

>> No.6334428

>>6334413
no, he just asserted logic cannot be a produce of evolution

>> No.6334431

>>6334413
that whole "human logic is more reliable than natural laws" thing made me laugh

>> No.6335892

http://www.albertmohler.com/2014/02/05/bill-nyes-reasonable-man-the-central-worldview-clash-of-the-ham-nye-debate/