/sci/ - Science & Math

>>6285249
>hurrr Mars One REEL
They don't even have physicists or engineers in their team.

>>6285249
>What is /sci/'s opinion on Mars One?

it's marketing bullshit. they have no scientists on board. they're just making money off idiots.

read this today

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-student-trip-mars-danielle-6496018

>I know it would be a one way mission. I would miss my family and friends and they would miss me, but we would still be able to Skype.

>>6285257

I'd plot her

>>6285257
>PhD student

>>6285273
>>PhD student in stripper arts

http://www.mars-one.com/technology/life-support-unit
>Potable water will be created through the heating of water ice in the local ground soil.
This life support system sounds kind of edgy. Not to even mention the lack of a food source.

I'm laughing so hard at this

https://applicants.mars-one.com/profile/5f025dee-08c3-49f9-a2ae-c04ad30e8846

>>6285501
https://applicants.mars-one.com/profile/d2715812-b6d4-4985-ada1-c841a44393a1

>>6285532
>>6285501

I fucking dare you to find a better applicant:

https://applicants.mars-one.com/profile/91d47404-b7c8-4484-91e7-36738a835578

>>6285542
She'd be the first trans woman in space. Have we had black astronauts yet? It would be pretty funny if we had trans women up in space before blacks.

https://applicants.mars-one.com/profile/d905d992-0bb5-40da-8454-18649bf593ae

>>6285542

haha self reproducing

This is the biggest bullshit ever. The Mars One is pure shit, they don't even have real physicists or engineers in most of the team.

Like the first anon said, it's mostly marketing bullshit. It takes dozens of years of finding Humans of astronaut-quality worth, some of the smartest people on Earth with the greatest physique and a psychological state of mind impossible to break down or destroy due to the isolation of space, yet they're recruiting amateurs and fucking retards on board for such a big project?

What a fucking joke, anyway China has been really promising in the new space technology recently. They're starting to invest more and more in space technology and are currently doing better than the disorganized with budget cuts Nasa today. They have said about wanting to send unmanned machines on Mars soon, and if possible, manned missions on Mars. Currently Mars is probably the only Economic juggernaut capable of doing such a task like this. US is in a gigantic shithole and Russia just doesn't give a fuck anymore. JAXA and the ESA haven't been too strong on this lately, neither the Canadians, so our hopes for any manned mission on Mars go to China.

>>6286077
Currently China is probably the only*

Oops my bad for typo.

>>6286077
Whats with Russia not caring?

>>6286085
>Whats with Russia not caring?

They are. They just recently completed few test with people living in small spaces for 7 months (average trip to Mars).

Russians + Americans really need to get their shit together and jointly attack this problem. It's too big for either of them if they try it alone.

>>6286085
I'm not saying they stopped caring, I'm just saying they lost their competitive edge. They just aren't the Russians they used to be. Now in a desperate attempt, NASA has abandoned the Shuttle-design and has started using old rocket models and started needing the help of the Soyuz to get to the ISS.

Both the US and the Russians completed themselves when they fought the space race. Now it's completely dead. The US just stopped caring about investing in NASA and the Russians see no profit in investing in space technology. Go do any google search of China vs Russia vs US, you'll see China has been sending the most tech in space, most satelites, etc. They're showing more activity, which is a good thing for any hope for more missions on Mars in the future.

I feel bad when I think about them being torn to shreds by giant hominid cockroaches

>>6286105
>Now in a desperate attempt, NASA has abandoned the Shuttle

it's because its budget is so small and manned space exploration is completely pointless from the scientific point of view. Now, establishing a colony on Mars would be great because humanity would survive if there's a extinction level cataclysm here on Earth but let's be real… if there's no economic incentive or no imminent threat to humanity, nothing will get done.

>>6286110
Oh God this lol.
Was thinking the same. But the idea of giant cockroaches killing the retards who applied for Mars One doesn't really bother me.

>>6286120
Pretty sure that back then with the space race between the US and the Soviet Union, there was also no economic incentive or imminent threat to humanity, but both sides still got shit done. Russia still sent a man, woman and animals in space. The first satelite as well. While the US got the first man on the moon. Just imagine how hard it was back then with the shitty tech they had. Today some of the most advanced countries are struggling to send people in space.

There's really no hope for the US or Russia to mindblow us anymore. I'm just saying I'm bidding any hope on China. So while the Chinese are working hard on their space programs, we see Americans expanding their military bases all around China. Some at Kazakhstan, Mongola, etc. And are also trying to ally themselves with all the countries that dispute their territories with China. The US has been a really shitty country recently that has been only caring about imperialism and expanding their military bases.

You guys should start doing something about the assholes in the top.

>>6286135
>there was also no economic incentive

There actually was but not in a way that can be easily calculated. Space race was all about prestige and dick waving. It was a way for US & Soviets to use space as propaganda and a way to spread their influence around the world.

Now that the age of western/euro empires is winding down, there's no more incentives to do any of that.

>>6285249
>What is /sci/'s opinion on Mars One?
Massive publicity stunt.
/thread

>>6285249
>>6285249
it's bullshit
anyone who thinks of going there is retarded.
it's stupid going to a planet where there is constant solar radiation bombardment and there is no protection against it

China and space? yeah ok, 100 million in need let's go explore space.

>>6287811
Everywhere has people in need but you can't help people without money and you need industry and growth for that. The space industry is a huge opportunity for that. The amount spent on communications, weather and Earth observation satellites is much greater than any national funding.

>>6287811
>needs of the few out weigh the needs of the many

>>6287811
no reason not to

>>6287838
>needs of the few out weigh the needs of the many

remember that next time you get screwed over

why did they run the competition to select people when they haven't even developed a means to communicate with a proposed base on mars?

pr?

will it take the applicants 10 years to prepare for this?

Oh my aching sides!

Mars One is a sham, snake oil for plebs.

There is nothing behind it except an brilliant marketing team who want to create the newest and most popular reality TV show .

Think about it. Surely you can see it now? A one way trip to Mars for untrained idiots with absolutely no basis in reality? There's no details, no substance, even the science behind the idea is more than dodgy.

There is no real Mars One. But there will be an endless supply of suckers who subscribe to the idea. Its a bit like that Venus project, but that is run by naive idealists, this is run by people wanting to make a buck by being parasites on the backs of ignorant people's wishful thinking.

What the Mars One TV reality show hit the screens. Watch as the ratings soar higher then any reality TV show in history.

Sorry to burst your bubble but anyone who believes this nonsense has been sucked in by arguably the greatest marketing hoax in history.

>>6285263
wonder if y'd say the same thing 10+ years later.

It's been done before.

>A group of twelve contestants (who answered an advert looking for "thrill seekers") were selected to become the first British televised space tourists, including going to Russia to train as cosmonauts at the "Space Tourist Agency of Russia" (STAR) military base, with the series culminating in a group of four embarking on a five-day space mission in low Earth orbit. The show and space mission contained aspects of Reality TV, including hidden cameras, soundproofed 'video diary' rooms and group dormitories.

>However, the show was in fact an elaborate practical joke, [...] and the "space trip" was entirely fake

>The intention was to obtain a group of Cadets who were highly gullible, conformist, and ignorant about the show's subject matter; and also ideally suited to appearing in a Reality TV show (e.g. uninhibited extroverts, "wacky personalities", or characters otherwise able to capture the public's attention).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Cadets_%28TV_series%29
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34wjPxl1DAE

>>6285501
>https://applicants.mars-one.com/profile/91d47404-b7c8-4484-91e7-36738a835578
>Do you have a good sense of humor?
>Gangam Style

>>6285542
Does she realize synthesizing estrogen probably won't be a priority over there?

I'm calling one of them gets cabin fever and goes ape shit a la sunshine or

>>6286077

You're full of shit on your China supremacy beliefs. All China did was put a rover on the moon, that did not invalidate the ongoing space efforts of the other space agencies nor does it portend China eclipsing those agencies.

>NASA
>5 Billion Dollar Budget
>Can't afford a trip to Mars

>Start up group
>Not nearly as funded
>Can afford not only multiple unmanned trips to Mars, but a manned mission involving permanent settlement of currently untrained civilians

Yeah....

>>6286105
>>6286120

The space shuttle was shit. The only reason it was continued was to be a make work graft program, and it was cancelled in the wake of the Columbia disaster.

>>6285569

10/10

Would pick for manned landing on Saturn.

>>6286120

I feel like people completely ignore the significance of what NASA does right now.

Yeah, we're not sending people into space. Who fucking cares? We're learning way more information about the universe from the machinery we sent up there. Look at everything the Hubble has done for us. You know within the next few years we're sending a satellite to orbit around the sun within 8 times the radius of the sun? That's pretty fucking cool shit.

Look at Curiosity, one of the most advanced things ever created, and it's doing pretty awesome shit on Mars right now. A lot of people don't even know it's up there.

>>6288111

It was cancelled because the amount of science we could gain from the missions was becoming drastically low, and the cost per flight was enormously high. We could use the money we had from not launching shuttles to fund other, way more interesting projects.

>>6288121
This. Manned missions barely outside the Earth's atmosphere are shit compared to probes and robots that explore actual alien worlds.

I wish we'd send proper probes to some of Jupiter's moons...

>>6288128

Columbia exploded, and the make work graft program sold the Shuttle for a few years based upon the false idea that only it could finish ISS, and then it would be cancelled. When ISS was done it was over. The shuttle money went to a new make work graft program.

You are stating that the manned space program makes its decisions based upon economically rational decisions, when they make their decisions based upon belligerent groupthink ideology and graft.

>>6288139
>the false idea that only it could finish ISS
At that stage it was. The modules were already in late production, there was no alternative vehicle and making something else would have been very expensive.

>>6285249

Say, is there any reason why my dog cant apply?

I imagine chasing balls on mars would be quite exciting.

>>6288153

United Launch Alliance would later pitch a payload shroud that could mimic the Shuttle's interfaces thus allowing no modifications to the payloads. Such an option was possible in the post-Columbia timeframe were any investigation made into alternatives to Shuttle launch. Ariane 5, Proton, Atlas 5, Delta 4, were all available launch options for ISS payloads with this method. Keep in mind that significant resources were pumped into the Shuttle program to reactivate it for continued launch for those years.

http://www.ulalaunch.com/site/docs/publications/AIAASpace2008PaperMarkAFoster.pdf

>>6286120
I give you a more useful graph.

>>6285257
>I would
Not I will?

>>6286077
>Like the first anon said, it's mostly marketing bullshit. It takes dozens of years of finding Humans of astronaut-quality worth, some of the smartest people on Earth with the greatest physique and a psychological state of mind impossible to break down or destroy due to the isolation of space, yet they're recruiting amateurs and fucking retards on board for such a big project?

Almost correct. Fugelsang trained 14 years to install a solar panel and dick around with an ammonia tank in two mission. He trained 14 years to become a glorified electrician and a plumber. Of course being a pioneer takes great skills. But it wasn't Ivy League doctors in theoretical agronomy that settled the west.

>>6288057
>Space Cadets
Swedish TV3 was earlier. At least it wasn't a joke. (Comedy a shit.)

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronauterna_(dokus%C3%A5pa)

>>6288115
rather manned landing on the Sun

>>6288647

Don't worry, friend. Both would kill you.

>>6286077

> a psychological state of mind impossible to break down or destroy

Uhhh....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak

>>6285257
>http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-student-trip-mars-danielle-6496018

>""It would be a bit like living in Antarctica."
kek

>>6290176
sure, if by 'like' they mean 'where the atmosphere will also kill you and where there is no hope of rescue or, in all likelihood, return'.
also a distinct lack of penguins.

>>6286051
>implying the only answer isn't John Cleese
>implying Monty Python On Mars isn't the next big thing
>implying John Cleese wouldn't do it to escape alimony

>>6285257
>implying she still looks good in 11 years

When I was little, my grandpa told me about how he spent some money in college on a 'ticket to the moon', sold by a company offering to get round-trip lunar flybys going within 'a few years' for commercial passengers.
This would have been in the early 70's.

>>6290866

At least that's believable. Given the space explosion of the 1960's, it was reasonable to believe that we could be commercially flying to space by now, and moon trips would be trivial.

;_;