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I cannot, no matter how many times it is explained to me, fathom the Heliocentric Model. This isn't a religious thing. There are many things I find wrong with it.

If the Sun is the center of it all and taking up most of the mass in the Solar System, how can other planets have their own moons?! Shouldn't all the matter in the Solar System be overtaken by the Sun's gravity?

If the Sun was at the center of the Solar System, we wouldn't feel like we were at the center of the Solar System - it would feel like the Sun was at the center of the Solar System and we would merely be going around it. Kind of like that carnival ride where everybody stands aback from the center then the ride begins and we all start spinning. Nobody feels like they're at the center of that ride when they go in it - if you were standing in the center of that ride then YOU WOULD feel like the center of it, and that's what we feel here on Earth, whereas we would feel like just the third planet from the Sun if that were true, but I fear that it isn't..

Why do the stars and planets at night appear to be a perfect circle around us rather than looking miles off and not looking perfect at all - instead they look like a perfect circle, as though they are going around us instead of looking like they're being thrown around the Sun.

Even the scientists themselves haven't fully adopted the Heliocentric Model. They probably know that it is false, otherwise, why do they relate all scientific models to the Earth, like Grenwich Meantime being used in space. Why don't they have a brand new model that relates to the Sun when doing space walks?! If we're living in a Solar-centered model, they should change these things, but they don't entirely believe the Heliocentric Model 100%?!

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>> No.6261444

>>6261437
OP here are some things to read up on. Your knowledge is so lacking it isn't even funny

Gravity is an inverse square relation
Perspective of things at near infinite distance
Centripetal force vs gravitational force
Forces in general
Spacecraft alignment and navigation

Also spaceflight in general. If heliocentrism was wrong why didn't we notice this huge problem with our worldview with the voyager probes?

>> No.6261449

I hope to god this is a troll thread, otherwise perhaps I am wasting my time with the nightly apod threads.

>> No.6261461

>>6261444
We're talking about gravity, yes. Yes, there's a perspective of gravity for things in the center, but there is also a perspective for things that are part of a series, which we aren't experiencing.

> Centripetal force vs gravitational force
Meaning, we feel our planet going around the Sun every day, while gravity maintains a sort of daily constant making up for it. But I don't feel like I'm traveling at 300 thousand miles a second, even when I try to tune in to it. There is just nothing there. Nada. It is just still as the trunk of a tree, or stiller.

Also, if there EVER WAS a scientific experiment in space solely dedicated to proving or disproving Geocentricism, then please, by all means, direct me to it, because I haven't been able to find a single experiment specifically done just on that issue.

>> No.6261465

>>6261461
>Also, if there EVER WAS a scientific experiment in space solely dedicated to proving or disproving Geocentricism, then please, by all means, direct me to it,
While it wasn't SOLELY dedicated to proving or disproving geocentricism, the hunt for and discovery of exoplanets by means of watching their transits is pretty solid evidence in favor of heliocentrism.

>> No.6261471

>>6261461
>feel
Leave, get disposed of. That's not how science works; Goethe was wrong. You're obviously incapable of understanding even simple ideas.

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>>6261461
>But I don't feel like I'm traveling at 300 thousand miles a second
>not feeling a constant velocity

this is actually a common misconception. You can't "feel" velocity, you can only feel a force. And force requires acceleration. Like when you're in a car if it's going the same speed you don't feel anything, only when it stops or speeds up. If the earth started slowing down fast enough stopped movie you would feel it.

>> No.6261483

>>6261480
Not OP, but the velocity isn't really constant. It's only constant in magnitude, not direction.

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>>6261437
Why do the stars and planets at night appear to be a perfect circle around us rather than looking miles off and not looking perfect at all - instead they look like a perfect circle, as though they are going around us instead of looking like they're being thrown around the Sun.

does this seriously look like a perfect circle to you? you might be mentally retarded.

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>>6261484
>retrograde up in this bitch!

>> No.6261489

This is a really good troll. 8/10

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>>6261465
That's their solar systems, not ours.

>>6261471
I understand simple ideas. Nothing simpler than this topic. I would like an experiment to prove, once and for all, that the Earth is not the center of the Universe. I would love to pitch an idea for this experiment...

Select some planets and put powerful sensors that will go off with a sensor on Earth whenever they pass by it in space. If the Geocentric model is true then they will always be going off, because if the Earth is the center of the solar system then they will always set our sensor off, since all of the planets are going around us.

If the Heliocentric explanation is correct, then the sensors will only go off when they come in contact with our sensor at certain times of the year because we are just traveling our orbit and certain planets will only pass by our sensor occasionally, whereas they will always hit our sensor if they always orbited us (see the picture).

>> No.6261502

>>6261498
Why would another solar system have different laws of physics than ours? You can dismiss evidence like that just because it doesn't fit your ideas.
>If the Heliocentric explanation is correct, then the sensors will only go off when they come in contact with our sensor at certain times of the year
This is exactly what happens with communication between earth and the many rovers and satellites on/around planets in our solar system. For certain periods of the year equipment like the Curiosity Rover is out of contact with NASA due to interference from the Sun being between the two planets.

>> No.6261503

>>6261502
>can
>can't*
>fix'd

>> No.6261508

this troll makes me hard

>> No.6261506

>>6261502
and just in case you want some evidence of these disruptions in communication before I go to bed, OP, here's this: http://www.space.com/20501-mars-rover-curiosity-solar-conjunction.html

>> No.6261513

>>6261508
Sorry, but this "troll" is heading in for the night. I didn't come here to be agreed upon, but I thought that Science was about testing the parameters of our knowledge. To go where no man has gone before. I guess I was wrong, but in some ways, I feel I was right.

>> No.6261520

>>6261437

I actually thought you might be legit up until
>Why do the stars and planets at night appear to be a perfect circle around us rather than looking miles off and not looking perfect at all - instead they look like a perfect circle, as though they are going around us instead of looking like they're being thrown around the Sun.

You over-did it, OP.

>> No.6261523

>>6261520
Silly Anon - I recognize that those stars are perfect, because God made them as a sort of layer of protection in case the Devil tries to intervene with His creation. We're like, surrounded by divine thistle as a last resort against attacks from Satan.

>> No.6261632

>>6261437
Man......I really hope you're trolling right now because if you're not, fucking kill yourself.

But on an actually serious note, pretty much the theory of relativity and special relativity sums up what you're wanting to know, because it describes the relationship between gravity and large celestial bodies as well as small bodies (in comparison to the large celestial bodies). Just....do research please

>> No.6261634

>>6261513
You haven't been right in this thread ever since you posted 1st thing.

Why would you actually require powerful detectors for measuring whether or not we're heliocentric or geocentric? Are you actually fucking retarded? Ever heard of ''sun rises and sets every day''? With obvious exceptions on poles where you have sun up for 1/2 a year and then you have 1/2 a year of night. But you simply ignore facts like sun eclipse caused by other terrestrial bodies. Yes, most common is moon eclipse but guess why, because it's orbiting us. Others are not so common. Oh jesus christ, why am I wasting time with this troll/retard? It just makes me mad...

>> No.6261653

>>6261523

Keep digging.

>> No.6261661

>>6261483
Constant speed then.

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>>6261437
Nobody tell this guy about the Milky Way Galaxy. He's going to lose his shit.

>> No.6261676

YES! It's like in WW2. The British RAF said they fed their pilots lots of carrots to improve their night vision. They even had pictures of orange skinned pilots. What they didn't tell anyone was that they had RADAR, radio detection and range-finding.

Heliocentric may be just another disinformation. It's all just a conspiracy. Well, I don't mind that. But they won't let me in on it, those bastards!

>> No.6261687

>>6261461
humans cannot perceive speed - you can only perceive acceleration. hint: skydiving doesn't kill you, hitting the floor does.

>> No.6261708

But according to relativity we should treat every reference frame as equal: meaning we can develop our physics with the Earth at the origin, or with the sun. If we develop everything with the Earth at the origin, we will get extra "fictitious forces" because of the movement of the Earth around the sun. That's why you'd prefer to develop your equations with the sun at the origin, only so stuff simplifies.

But having the Earth at the center is just as valid.

>> No.6261747

>ctrl + f angular momentum
>0 results
is /sci/ really this stupid?

>> No.6261813

>>6261437
>what are space probes
>what are gravity assists
>how do physics work
Back to /x/ OP

>> No.6263290

>>6261437
>Shouldn't all the matter in the Solar System be overtaken by the Sun's gravity?

If this was true, you would be falling towards the sun right now.

>> No.6263310

>>6261747
There are many, many reasons why OP is wrong. Don't be so autistic.