/sci/ - Science & Math

>>6226293
Yes it does because it is less mathematical.
Yes I would, /sci/fu material.

There's also a lot of women in chemistry.

is there somebody on this planet that wouldn't?

>>6226562
Faggots?

Watching one of her talks right now, I would.

If I think in "people will conform to stereotypes", then the reason could be that there are more "feminine" uses of biology, like testing products on animals, make-up... Or, on the other hand that males tend to conform to stereotypes and become engineers or mathematicians, leaving more women to cover the rest of the ground.

>>6226565
You're in /sci/ so you mean engineers

>>6226569
well damn why is she wearing that outfit to a TED talk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO3pIMjKYck

I would not have sex with the girl in the OP.

It does, and that's because despite efforts, there are still social pressures on women to not go into fields like engineering or physics which are "men's" sciences. Biology is seen as more "feminine" because it's less math intensive and possibly even because people can more closely relate it to "feminine" professions like nursing.

And I would not.

>>6226582
Where does that social pressure even comes from? Maybe it's because I'm a man, but I never felt like any field was more "masculine" or "feminine"

>>6226293
It's just closer to equal gender ratio at biology (and as time goes on, chemistry) because there is no pressure agaisnt it.

>>6226582
>social pressures
yeah women are taught not go into physics.
i remeber when i was a young boy and i had to do patriarchy classes, we were taught to rape and excel in maths.
and then taught HIS-Story, now that im neutered and lobotmised i can see the patriachy for what it really is.

pro tip, men and women are different and have different aspirations and desires.

>>6226587

Seriously, i feel like it goes like this:

>I'm a smart woman, I should go into medicine because of DOCTOR BARBIE
>I'm not feeling medicine, what should I do with my pre med degree
>oh I know, i'll finish up bio and go further with it.

> would you a Aoife McLysaght?
Well, she'd be the least attractive woman I'd ever banged, but I like her name, and realistically I will put my penis in just about anything... so yes.

Huh, she looks like one of my professors...

...so yes.

>>6226584
Feminists, mostly.

>>6226591
>she'd be the least attractive woman I'd ever banged

You seems picky

>>6226570
I'm an engineer and I'd fill her holes with my pole if you know what I mean.

>>6226582
>social pressures
Even in Sweden where there are social pressures encouraging women to go in male-dominated fields (for the sake of "equality"), women still become nurses and whatnot.

Oh well, must be "the patriarchy".

>>6226293
Statistically, girls often do better than boys in physics and mathematics but few go on to major in engineering in higher education. The reasons are primarily cultural.

>>6226606
>physics and mathematics

[citation needed]

Women have stronger maternal instincts and this affects their motivations.

>>6226584
It's not like a direct pressure or anything, but even now there's still this prevalent idea that women aren't good at math and thus math intensive professions are then considered "manly" professions. In some cases girls feel anxious about being worse at math and incidentally do worse from the anxiety. Thus they won't go into those professions because they perceive themselves to be bad at math. Read up on stereotype threat if you're curious about that. In other cases girls just do it because they don't want to deal with sausagefest classes. And then there are the women who simply don't want to get into those majors because they don't care for them.

I just grew up never seeing girls becoming engineers and whatnot in any medium whatsoever. All the things I was exposed to made me think that mechanically inclined jobs were jobs for men and that jobs that involved taking care of people were more for women. It's not a belief I still carry, but I recognize that it was something I picked up, not from any specific place, just kinda everything pointed to it.

>>6226588
>>6226603
>Strawmanning this hard

>>6226606
>The reasons are primarily cultural.

No. The reason is that women instinctively prefer human contact and social situations.

>>6226614
>prevalent idea that women aren't good at math
Simply does not exist.

>All the things I was exposed to made me think that mechanically inclined jobs were jobs for men and that jobs that involved taking care of people were more for women
But it's true.

>>6226614
>>All the things I was exposed to made me think that mechanically inclined jobs were jobs for men and that jobs that involved taking care of people were more for women
that is actually true, check out a guy called simon baron cohen, and lrn2evolution.

>>6226293

>>6226629
How many people do you think actually go to biology because Physics and chemistry is too hard for them?

>>6226594
Nope, just aim high and pull the trigger often.

>>6226622
>But you're wrong!
I'm surprised you've never experienced people who think this, but a lot of people assume that the lack of women in STEM fields is because we tend to be bad at math.

>>6226627
Link me then. Most of the guy's work is on autism. Also, I know enough about evolution, thanks.

I'll gladly rescind my statement if you can link me to a proper study that proves this. Until then, I'm going to go on with the belief that jobs are intended for whomever is best suited for them, not just one gender.

>>6226293
>Is it me or does biology has more women compared to any other science field? If so, why?

Has anyone here taken any bio classes? Come on!

Biology requires a lot of memorizations. You go through courses by memorizing how things work, how they're classified, how they relate to other things etc. It requires near-ZERO abstract thinking! I took Bio101 and Bio102 and I had to basically memorize large portions of the textbook to get an A.

>>6226645
this goes into some detail.


>http://edge.org/conversation/testosterone-on-my-mind

ou find that the male brain, on average, is about eight percent larger than the female brain. We're talking about a volumetric difference. It doesn't necessarily mean anything, but that's just a finding that's consistently found. You find that difference from the earliest point you can put babies into the scanner, so some of the studies are at two weeks old in terms of infants.

You also find that if you look at postmortem tissue, looking at the human brain in terms of postmortem tissue, that the male brain has more connections, more synapses between nerve cells. It's about a 30 percent difference on average between males and females. These differences are there.

The second big difference between males and females is about how much gray matter and white matter we see in the brain: that males have more gray matter and more white matter on average than the female brain does. White matter, just to be succinct, is mostly about connections between different parts of the brain. The gray matter is more about the cell bodies in the brain. But those differences exist. Then when you probe a bit further, you find that there are differences between the male and female brain in different lobes, the frontal lobe, the temporal lobe, in terms of how much gray and white matter there is.
part 1

>>6226657

emales are developing empathy at a faster rate than males Empathy seems to be developing faster in girls and in contrast, in boys there seems to be a stronger drive to systemize. I use that word ‘systemizing’, which is all about trying to figure out how systems work, becoming fascinated with systems. And systems could take a variety of different forms. It could be a mechanical system, like a computer; it could be a natural system, like the weather; it could be an abstract system, like mathematics; but boys seem to have a stronger interest in systematic information.
We did a study that we call the Newborn Baby Study, where we studied just over 100 babies aged 24 hours old. This was a study conducted in Cambridge. The babies had just popped out of the womb. We would have loved to study the babies as soon as they came out, but the obstetricians asked us, out of respect for mother and baby, if we would wait 24 hours, which we were happy to do; and then when the babies were settled and the mother was settled, we presented these babies with two objects: a human face or a mechanical mobile suspended above the crib. So, two very different kinds of objects, one mechanical and one animate and human. And we looked to see whether babies, aged one day old, looked longer at the human face, a social stimulus, or looked longer at the mechanical object.

The objects were presented one at a time, and we counterbalanced, that's to say we varied the order, whether the baby saw the face first or the mechanical object first. What we found, just cutting to the chase, was that if we compared babies in terms of looking longer at a social stimulus or looking longer at a mechanical stimulus, more boys seemed to look longer at the mechanical stimulus, and more girls seemed to look longer at the social stimulus, the face. We were finding a difference that was there as early as 24 hours old; and that, to me, was pointing to biology being a contributing factor to sex differences.

>>6226657
If male brain is bigger on average, it souldn't be a surprise that there is more grey and white matter. I don't see how relevant it is

>>6226629
What about people who study chemical engineering with mind to contribute to the pharmaceuticals industry?

>>6226645
Here's a study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19016318

>>6226657
>>6226663

It's not social pressure then

>>6226663
and then just that females have evoltuonarily been geared towards nurturing children, you see it in gorillas the female ones play with dolls, the practice for child rearing throught childhood, you see this in human females too, the male humans build and destroy.
males are evolutionarily speaking geared towards hunting, systematizing , adapting etc....
simply due to physical and mental differences.

males have distinct bodies, on avergae taller, by far stronger and faster, higher levels of haemoglobin, better spacial ability and coordination, this also translates to mental differences

>>6226673

could you please read it all?
size had little to do with the actual substance

>>6226594
Well it would also be the most attractive, so it's not a big deal.

>>6226616
Biology is one factor among many that influences culture, but culture is highly malleable, if every girl was raised like Margaret Thatcher or Ayn Rand the world would be a better place. All scientists must replace liberalism with classical liberalism as their most popular political orientation, for the greater good.

>>6226682
>if every girl was raised like Margaret Thatcher or Ayn Rand
lel'd

>>6226682
>raising your daughter like Margaret Thatcher

>>6226663

Does it say how long, on average, the babies stared?

>>6226701
i dont see any in the link they were specified somewhere but i cant find them, thislink however seems to show a smaller
>>6226671
scale study

>>6226686
Why wouldn't such a thing be possible?

In the future we will inevitable see the effects of climate change, resource depletion and overpopulation. The perfect opportunity for a charismatic figure from the far-right to come onto the political stage and interject ideas like social darwinism and laissez faire capitalism, the idea that one can hoarde wealth, keep your property safe (including your body) and pass it on to your family without interference by the state would appeal to women as it would afford them financial security during pregnancy and childcare, it would appeal to any sane person really.

>>6226706
>Why wouldn't such a thing be possible?
It's not impossible, I'm just amused by the idea of a society full of Margaret Thatchers and Ayn Rands.
>tfw no qt3.14 Margaret Thatcher

>>6226695
>not wanting your daughter to be a chaste christian mother with strong moral principles yet also highly career oriented

>>6226657
>>6226671
Thanks for those. I'll amend my statement then, biological factors aren't the only reason why women aren't going into math heavy fields. Even the study you linked recognizes that there are social influences at play.

I'd also like to point out that your study doesn't prove that mechanical jobs are for men and service jobs are for women. Simply that at a young age there is evidence to support that children tend to gravitate towards certain things based upon gender. There is a difference.

>>6226722
>christian

Do you have any idea where you're posting?!?!?!

>>6226293
Women go in biology because its easy. And I would only fuck her in the ass.

>>6226682
>Ayn Rand

>>6226739
of course, biological factors are one of many factors,arguably a very important factor, but yes one amongst many.

>
I'd also like to point out that your study doesn't prove that mechanical jobs are for men and service jobs are for women.
didnt intend to, it was intended to show that the reason its seen as male or female is due to biology, you should read>>6226677

but of course yes, different genders are disposed to different things, but they arent set in stone and are averages,not laws.

>>6226671
Needs to be younger, by that time the child is already absorbing traits from his father.

>>6226750
3 to 8 months?
regardless, its already been done a day after birth with similar results.

>>6226751
Well, that study didn't tell how significant it was

>>6226749
Then we were never in disagreement in the first place.

>>6226758
i cant find the link now but it was quite significant,any gtg sleep.

>>6226722
i have a classmate that literally fits into that description and she is a very sad person.sometimes we discuss stuff about religion or sexuality and i feel bad about how repressed her parents raised her.

>>6226649
>I took Bio101 and Bio102 and I had to basically memorize large portions of the textbook to get an A.
Oh Christ, good one.

Gems like you are the reason I love TA-ing bio101 exams.

>>6226657
Couldn't it be than men are just taller and bigger, and thus have bigger brains? Is the difference still there when adjuested for body mass?

>>6226629
Yeah science would go so far if there were only two fields.

>>6226682
>If every women was raised by greedy insane bitches the world would be a better place

>>6226630
As a Biology/Chemistry double major. I can say for sure that a fucking lot of them do. Biology students are some of the worst math students struggling very much at simple Pre-Calculus

>>6226573
or with any other

>>6226293
Human sciences have more women compared to any other science field.

>>6226682
Culture doesn't influence people as much as you would like to think.

>>6226606
Where the fuck do you get your statistics from?
Girls outperform boys in all fields in early years because they develop faster, with time they are left behind.

>>6226641
>just aim high and pull the trigger often.

Benjamin Franklin detected.

>>6226629
I went into Biology because I like phylogenetics a lot.

>>6226629
I'm a genetic engineer, not because I want to cure disease and discover ways in which the Human body can be enhanced, but because I can't do math.

Fuck off.

>>6226293
>Is it me
Yeah, pretty much.

>>6227357
I kind of ignored social sciences on purpose.

>>6226299
but math also has more women compared to other fields in science and engineering

Biology is the most consequential of all sciences.

>>6227669
for example, for men it is intuitive to think in space. physics is a lot like this, justifying male prevalence
(mechanical engineering is similar)

>>6227378
The whole argument about females outperforming men in math/physics is an argument some people like to bring up to try to empower women (not saying its wrong, but sometimes people go overboard). Just like how bad basketball players keep saying MJ was kicked off his HS team.

>>6227963
right. it's all about lying and make-believe and pretending certain things to be true because of PC.

it's all basically just insanity and shows how crazy west has become.

I am a woman studying to go into biology. Let's be honest, I can't do maths. I've struggled the majority of my life. Those girls who can do maths, do maths; those that can't aren't encouraged or provided with help to overcome the problem. I am a very visual learner so I struggle with some maths concepts.

Maths, physics and other such subjects are male dominated. I'm all for equality and everything but I don't think they should freely let in women to these subjects willy nilly just the balance out the books. It would decline the quality of the work and research. They shouldn't be allowed to take it easy on women in these subjects but I believe that women should be encouraged to explore the more male areas. A feminine touch might be able to help solve some harder problems by having a different take on it.

>>6228006
Unfortunately this is how the world works. I have seen some great colleagues of mine in engineering lose jobs/internships to women (even though they had superior marks, experience, and team skills) just because they want a feminine touch in the workplace.
Its nice that the science and engineering field is starting to gather women, but I believe it should be deserved not granted.

>>6228006
>but I believe that women should be encouraged to explore the more male areas. A feminine touch might be able to help solve some harder problems by having a different take on it.

Can you cite some examples of this delusion ever working out?

The most women are in biology. In chemistry, biological and organic have a few girls, not much beyond that.

Within biology, neuroscience attracts the most hot chicks. Seriously, at every place I've been, neuroscience has the best looking girls.

>>6228061
Well lots of people believe women are 'wired' differently and think differently. So maybe in whatever way women think, someone might come up with an abstract idea to overcome a problem.

>>6228006
>those that can't aren't encouraged or provided with help to overcome the problem.

And the boys that struggle with maths are?

>A feminine touch might be able to help solve some harder problems by having a different take on it.

Source?

because it has the least maths.

all you have to do in biology and medicine is learn a lot of stories.

if you go into research you might have to actually start using your noggin a bit to work out how to investigate something, but most women studying biology as a first degree will only be required to learn a bunch of stories which they should be able to regurgitate as essays or short answers to questions.

Same with medicine. The only part that has a bit of problem solving in it is Pharmacokinetics.

>>6228077
>Well lots of people believe women are 'wired' differently

It's not a belief, it's a fact.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/brains-of-women-and-men-are-wired-differently/2013/12/06/4cf2242c-5d1a-11e3-bc56-c6ca94801fac_print.html

>So maybe in whatever way women think, someone might come up with an abstract idea to overcome a problem.

Sorry, don't follow this part.

>>6228081
What I have seen, yes they are encouraged more to go into those areas and to develop their maths skills. Also, I don't have sources, it's an idea and I'm sure I'm not the first to think of it.

>>6228086
So if they have a different way of thinking they might approach the problem from a different angle.

>>6228084
Have you actually studied biology or is this just an outside observation?

>>6228092
>So if they have a different way of thinking they might approach the problem from a different angle.

Problem is that these are highly abstract types of problems.

>>6228092
>What I have seen
>I don't have sources
>It's an idea
>I'm not the first to think of it

Into the trash it goes.

>>6228092
I studied biological subjects in my first and second years of university.

>>6228105
What happened to the third and fourth years?

>>6226649
Clearly your two first year courses have given you a comprehensive understanding of the entirely of biology and biological research.

Idiot.

>>6228111
just chemistry.

I was doing chemistry subjects in my first and second years as well

>>6228122
Well, compare that with CS or math first year courses (or even later courses). Very little memorization required and you're required to think.

> Idiot.

Aren't you late for your Subway shift?

>>6226603
>Even in Sweden where there are social pressures encouraging women to go in male-dominated fields

Because they are already in an egalitarian environment they feel no such pressure

They feel free to pursue whatever they want to pursue

>>6226293
>Aoife is pronounced eefaa

Yes OP.

And that's exactly how I like it.

>>6230180
As for #2 no, because I'm already married to a hot geneticist.

>>6228061
>>6228081

>muh noether
>muh maria chudnovsky
>muh fan chung
>muh dusa mcduff

noether alone outshines most mathematicians insofar as her contributions are concerned.

>>6226629
>mathematically rigorous
>physics and chemistry

Hahahaha, holy fuck. 5/5 joke.

Can someone remind me again why we should even care about this?

>>6230242
>noether alone outshines most mathematicians insofar as her contributions are concerned.

Do you actually believe this?