/sci/ - Science & Math

>>6163357
>I've chosen the subject Atheism
>The majority of my school is religious
Do you realize how fucked you'll be if you start a flamewar in a place like that?
Anyway, just show them some search papers that prove something against their religion, and be ready to get hated.

>>6163357
prove them god doesn't exist
protip: you can't
you're no different from them
also this is a 18+ board

>>6163357

you're an idiot.

>>6163357
how about the argument of how religious people kill others and atheists dont!

>>6163406
or how great an atheist society would be compared to religious societies! and how religion causes people to be intolerant of others! you can use these stats to prove it OP!

It makes sense to not believe is mythical things unless proven. (You can't prove unicorns don't exist, therefore they do. This is retarded)

There's no good evidence for god, just religious methphysical bullshit. Muh first cause, muy meaning of life, muh problem of evil, muh soul, muh etc.

Science answers most of these and the rest are retarded in the first place.

>>6163410
Implying this proves god exists
Implying that atheism is bad, therefore god exists

>>6163357
First step to winning your audience will be to pull out a few good arguments /against/ atheism. If you can't hold a subject well enough to defend it, you cannot defend against it. It also makes you "sympathetic," which allows much more leeway while you present.

As to actual arguements, you have to be systematic without being aggressive. There are a few tactics, but I'll give you a quick runthrough of the one I use whenever I need to end a debate.

1: endearment (agreeing that they might be right). For instance, the universe is self consistent. Everything inside our universe requires coming from something else, all the way back to the big bang (avoid using the big bang as a baseline theory as opposed to a single slide, there's a lot of defense around it). For the universe to exist, there has to be something that exists outside of our laws and understanding that can exist absolutely. This could easily be interpreted to be God.

2: Gently attack preconceptions. The first preconception that all people hold is that they are /right/, and that everyone else either agrees or is wrong. To loosen this (which I assume is your goal in giving the presentation), point out how many major religions there are (include dead historical religions), how many branches each religion has, and even then there's dissent in the church over details (add buzzwords in quick succession without focusing on any particular to add impact without pulling up defenses) Avoid saying that any of these are wrong.

3: Introduce the concept of athiesm as a theoretical possibility. ("But what if they were all wrong? What if these Gods they worship were all created by people? What would you believe") Avoid saying that it is right at this stage (only imply it later if that's the point you're trying to make), and avoid tying it into evolution as much as possible. Also try to bring up agnosticism, and define it separately.

1/2

why dont you bring up how evil the church is for helping millions of people while atheists have the lowest charity rates of any religion?

>>6163422
All your doing is showing that religious people are "nicer"

How the fuck does this have any relavance?

>>6163424
4: Facts. Statistics showing anything about moral relativism, how many athiests there are, studies showing that altruistic actions make people feel good regardless of religious background, psychology, everything. Hold nothing back, but at the same time don't do it to judge: don't say that they're wrong.

5: Ask questions that have no answers. Both to athiests and to the religious. This ties back with endearment, but it also hold several strong keys in making them /think/, which is, after all, the whole point of presenting (other than grades, dolla billz and bitches)

>>6163427
what? OP didnt specify what about atheism he wanted help on.

>>6163424
>>6163429
Post Note: use the same system to argue against atheism, it works just as well. Nothing more glorious than snuffing an arrogant atheist and an obnoxious theologists in the same conversation with the same process and different facts.

>>6163424
>>6163429
>>6163442

Do this OP. Try for maximum lulz.

Just remember, you won't be changing any minds. And you may want to preface your presentation that way; you're just here to talk about your topic. Not to preach or evangelize, but just share some knowledge.

This fedora meme really needs to die

>>6163498
as long as the word nigger exist for insult bases, so will fedora.

>>6163442
I found the /lit/ guy

Good post.

>>6163514

>Comparing word that's been around for over 200 years and has a deep cultural root to a forced meme from reddit

intellectual midget please go

>>6163527
>implying memes aren't the epitome of our modern internet culture

Go with the times, gramps.

Here's OP again.
Some constructive criticism please?

>>6163537

Yeah, I sure see a lot of those rage comics around

>>6163527
>implying fedora as a meme and an insult to atheists wasnt created by /pol/
the original post we laughed at came from reddit, not the meme

>>6163545

It was basically a forced meme on reddit. Someone posted it to /r/atheism where it was immidiately locked by a mod, but still accessible by direct link. It was spammed on circlejerk and cringepics. pol would like you to believe it was their doing, but the fact still remains that this was the first major homegrown reddit meme.

>>6163541
Constructive criticism of what?

>>6163550
Giving a presentation about Atheism.
Just to share knowledge, not to convert people or anything like that.
I know i need to look a both sides, so arguments again Theism and Atheism.

>>6163558
Ok. Give us what you have to constructively criticize, then.

>>6163552
nah youre wrong. it was never a meme until 4chan associated it with euphoria and reddit and atheism. on reddit it was just a cringe post by some /r/atheism faggot.

>>6163573

It must hurt to hear that your favorite meme is from reddit, but it really shouldnt come as a surprise considering how fucking awful it is.

Well, there isn't really too many funny arguments to bash the belief in god in general, just specifically retarted religions, like mormanism, scientology and Catholicism. By the way, I hope you have a lot of friends, cause you're about to lose access to a lot.
Oh yeah, you can also put this in it.

>>6163576
keep crying fedora. i use both reddit and 4chan, i experienced the meme live as it happened.

>>6163579
The serpent wasn't satan, though.

Don't waste time on retards.

>>6163600
According to the bible, everything evil is Satan.

http://www.4chan.org/rules#sci

>>6163605
According to the real bible, there's no such thing as satan or hell, and god is 2x as evil as he is good.

>>6163357
>i'm

retard

>>6163357

If you want some more credible arguments about why religion is inferior, you should definitely check out Karl Marx. He's got a (in)famous quote (depending on who you ask) saying '...religion is the opiate of the people.' I can't remember off the top of my head what text its from, but it shouldn't be hard to find

Try this one OP, it will be sure to convince them of the wonders of atheism for a future full of diversity and progress!

>>6163605
you didn't read it

>>6163410
>or how great an atheist society would be compared to religious societies!
Ever heard of Scandinavia? Up to 90% of us are atheist. Not just a number i made up, saw a survey once that showed it was between 80 - 90%.

An atheist can work, as long people get roof over their head and food on their table.

>>6163626
and what were the questions asked and how were they formed on the survey?

A question like "do you believe in the christian God?"

1) yes
2) no

and you and the other 88.999% answer no, doesn't make it a good filter for knowing how atheist your country is.

>>6163626
scandinavia? hmm, yes ive heard of that place before... hmm, where have i heard about this place? ah thats right, the place whose "atheist utopia" is getting ravaged by multiculturalism and the once shining example of secular liberalism is quickly becoming one of the most dangerous places in europe

>>6163632
yeye, that's Sweden, and only Sweden. I'm from Denmark, we're fine.

>>6163363
His only hope is to make a presentation about the dangers of atheism. How it'll bring about the end of society and the wrath of the all mighty spaghetti lord.

>>6163635
theyll come after you too, just you wait

is sweden even majority atheist anymore? im pretty sure stockholm doesnt even have majority white births anymore, theyre all muslim arabs and africans

>>6163624
>>6163616
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>>6163406
whoever's samefagging this it isn't really constructive. I'm not an atheist but political happenings have no bearing on the validity or lack thereof of religious belief

>>6163626
>Scandinavia

Scandinavia, and especially Sweden, are fucked. Sweden won't have any real Swedish in it by 2100. It's sad but true. Sweden's full of sducidal libtards who are hell-bent on destroying their own culture, their country and their way of life. It's insane really.

Sweden = shithole.

>>6163644
I don't know. But don't feel sorry for them. It's their own damn fault.

We tried to tell them whats up, but they won't listen.

>>6163647
op never specified he wanted to talk about the philosophy of atheism, pay attention, this was already brought up

>>6163632
>>6163644
Is /pol/ still posting that silly bird meme? top lel

>>6163648
For, almost to the date, two years ago, Denmark had closed it borders for 4 months and had a point system similar to the Canadians for foreigners. But sadly a socialist party won the election and removed our defence.

According to all the polls the last one and a half years, we get the old party back to power, and our borders will again be closed. The EU will be pissed, but they need our money.

The next election will be within two years. Denmark know immigration is a problem for welfare countries, and we won't let them fuck us over.

PS. it's a myth (if anyone have heard it) that we're racist. We're quite the opposite. But we're not dumb.

>>6163673
Nationalism is the only solution for Scandinavia. And it is rising in EU. There might be hope for them. This multicult insanity is fucking crazy.

If you're offensive the school will hate you regardless of how logical you are.

Show the facts, be respectful, say you respect everybody and everyone else beliefs even if you don't, then leave.

This seems like your only option if you want to even make a slight change to what people in your school think about atheism.

>>6163673
>we're not racist
>we're not dumb
choose one

This is all you need to put on the board.

/thread

>>6163694
This is a perfect example for you OP.

Atheists can see that there is a problem with a particular population group, without being racist. They have no problem in distinguishing between the two. They use logic.

>>6163657
SRS, go away. and quit posting fake bird comics.

>>6163713
>that childish shit a tween atheist would say
>/thread
this is a parody of fedorans right?

>>6163726
>religitard being mad when he cannot refute his own logic applied against himself

>>6163735
im agnostic

>>6163741
>fence sitting coward disbelieves a million made-up things a day except the most obvious one

/sci/ does not care for your petty squabbles against religion.

>>6163741
Are you also agnostic with respect to ghosts, aliens, spirits, demons and unicorns? No? That's what I thought, you fucking hypocrite.

>>6163761
>>6163754
those childish dawkins catch phrases dont work on me, leave the philosophy to the real adults. ill leave the political engineering to you reddit tier "scienz lurvers"

>>6163357
Tell them why you're euphoric

>>6163762
>Why do you believe YOUR thing?
It makes sense, evidence, etc.
>No! You're supposed to say you read it in YOUR holy book!
Sorry?

>>6163762
>philosophy

What are you doing to my sides?

>>6163762
>that pic

well you should pretty much start by telling what atheism actually means.
i bet they think its a belief that no gods exists, OR that atheists hate god because they want to sin or something stupid like that.

>>6163843
like by saying "for an atheist, atheism is not a belief, it's a conclusion."
should offend no one.

>>6163843
>muh lack of belief
this dawkins propaganda never gets old

>>6163713
Nothing on earth can prove or disprove whether god exists.

What's the point in arguing about it?

>>6163843
I don't know what definition of atheism you're using but the way you just described it is pretty much how every dictionary I used said it.

talk about how miracles are just fairy tails and give them this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hume#Problem_of_miracles

>>6163357
> a English
You've lost nigger

Why is this thread still up.
Report and minimize

>mfw I have proof for the existence of God

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds4q-Qmaj5s

>>6164294
because the mod wont delete it, he only deletes stuff that makes the "modern atheist science lurving religion" look bad

>>6164430
Religion threads are specifically disallowed.
Maslow's hierarchy of needs is philosophy.
I'm not gonna touch the last one.

>>6163357
>I've chosen the subject Atheism
>i'm looking for some good arguments
do you mean, by this, that you've all ready decided to promote an atheist position without having a good argument as to why? do you not realize how retardedly irrational that is?

>>6163357 tell them that over 90% of all scientists are athiest/agnostic, because they know enough about how the universe works to realize that all religion is bullshit.

>>6164445
I doubt he doesn't have any ideas, I think he's just looking for more.

>>6163981
All published self-described atheists of the last 300 years have defined atheism to include "I know there is no god" and "I do not know if there is a god or not".

>>6163974
>Nothing on earth can prove or disprove whether god exists.
Literally true, but in practice false .

I cannot talk about evidence for or against a non-interfering god. I can certainly bring up evidence against against the god hypothesis described in the christian bible, and every other popular god hypothesis.

>>6164617
You can bring up evidence against theological interpretations. This doesnt disprove anything.

i like how OP's picture implies all non-abrahamic faiths are satanic

>>6164626
Yes, it does. It proves that that god hypothesis is false. Furthermore, it proves that the book is basically man-made fiction.

>>6164599
but thats false, most are agnostic and theists, and more physicians are theists. also stop trying to conflate atheism and agnosticism.

>>6164648
The other post was wrong with what he said. However, if you look at the most prestigious of the most prestigious scientific organizations, their members are like roughly 90% non-believers. The numbers for the average professional "scientist" are still more non-believers than the general public, but not 90% high.

>>6164641
*tips dora*

>>6164641
No it proves theological interpretation OF the book false, thats it.

Where does everyone get this 90% of scientists are atheist stuff from.

>>6164660
their asshole

>>6164660
from other internet teen atheists who think atheists have a monopoly on science despite the fact that theyve had no hand in science for the most part

>>6164660
niel degrasse tyson speaks about it.

>>6164654
I don't know what this "theological" word means. The book makes certain factual claims about our shared reality. A lot of those claims are materially false, demonstrably false. From that and a little more, the most probable conclusion is that the book's contents is made up.

>>6164660
Like England's Royal Society and the effective American equivalent.

>>6164676
How do you come to the conclusion that the claims are meant to be interpreted factually rather than metaphorically?

>>6164660
heres a study that comes up with 60% who don't believe in god and 50% that self identify as none, compared to the 14% of general populance. This is in US
It's quite likely it's much higher in europe.

The 90% figure likely comes from the "science elite" e.g. figures from organisations like National Academy of Sciences and such.

>>6164686
http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~ehe/doc/Ecklund_SocialProblems_54_2.pdf
would probably be good to link the study too

>>6164599

>how the universe works

>thinks the universe is a machine
>thinks the mechanism of the machine has anything to do with the ontology

>mfw fundies/evangelicals and atheists have never read the church fathers

It's always these two gravely ignorant camps battling it out.

'for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life'
2 Cor. 3:6

A book without a tradition is not only erroneous, but heretical.

>>6163357
>atheism

>>6163410
>still hasn't read Hinton

Evolution is the best argument but only if you make sure to conflate it with the big bang and abiogenesis.