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physics and biophysics are above god tier

I think the absolute shit tier should include the science which attempts to rank subjects after only being exposed to one, in some cases two, of them.

Your "top tier" is broken.

>>6156391
So is architecture shit tier because it is not listed or god tier because it's similar to engineering?

>>6156429
Alright, what the hell is "biophysics?"

>>6156450
boils down to engineering

>>6156446
>architecture
>similar to engineering

yeah except for the part where it's completely different and doesn't even compete in terms of intensiveness and application of mathematics. Architecture goes under arts so yes, it is shit tier.

>>6156429
what about biophysical chemistry then

where the fuck is chemistry dumbass

For me the art of great literature and music is above Law.

I am a lawyer but the thing that really turns me on is literature. Law is mostly boring and deprived of color, while the best literature (and music) seems almost to be a justification for the existence of Civilization.

Beauty and truth are the greatest goals of great minds.

>>6156450
Biologists are really shitty at actually understanding how their physical systems behave beyond a qualitative description. Biophysicists try to put math into it. Most application arise in biomedical engineering.

The guy in the office next to the room I'm in is studying the voltage function (or action potential) of the human heart and I guess trying to work on a way to artificially recreate that in a 'new' human heart made in the lab, whether it be biological or plastic.

It's more useful than pure biology and progresses faster.

>>6156540

For everyone, Law is about as shit-tier a degree as you can suggest

98% of people do it just for the money, it's precipiced on gaming the legal system, and it involves nothing but endless rote memorization of banal and utterly useless facts and court cases

>>6156539
Chemistry is easy, that's why you see a lot of girls doing it. Chemical engineering however is God Tier

>>6156548
>98% of people do it just for the money,

That's me ;)

I know that nobody is going to help me in my solitary quest to create the greatest body of drama work that the Portuguese language has ever seen. Nobody is going to sustain me while I forge my metaphor and similes and sew them in my Tragedies and Comedies. And the publication of such works (even the theatrical presentation) will most likely don’t bring enough money for me to live a confortable and dignified life.

So, what to do? My answer to this problem was this one: work from 08:00am to 06:00pm in a Law office, and then, finally back at home at 06:15pm, work in my literature until 09:00pm, 5 days a week. It’s working until now, but if I discovered some medicine that made me feel less sleepy and more energetic (and that ate the same time did not destroyed my health in the long term) I would be very grateful.

Where do I rank with Economics and Mathematics?

I'd say stop waving your dick about and get a life.

>>6156564
Somewhere between despicable and respectable.

>>6156569

Field rivalry isn't something just constrained to 4chan

At my university the faculty from different departments like to throw in subtle jabs at each other, mostly playful but there's an evident sense of competition

It's human nature

>>6156391
>If /sci/ was asked to make a list of GOD TIER subjects

We did years ago

>>6156585

Ah, it would a appear the anti-CS troll has arrived

3/10

>>6156585
pure maths Subway sandwich artists has arrived. I bet he hates McDonalds just as much because their new sandwich is killing his bellowed Subway.

Stay mad, butthurt fаggоt!

>>6156585

You can't feed your kids proofs, sonny. Sorry you waste your time doing useless math all day.

>>6156585
Wanting to focus on physics, neuroscience, language and dabble in philosophy, psychology, art... I'm all over the place

>>6156391
>3. Computer Science / Programming (To do something useful in modern society)

>That's right: According to BLS, 62% of the growth in jobs in science-related fields will be in computer science. That's more than 750,000 new jobs, and a total of more than 1,350,000 job openings. How does that compare with the number of degrees likely to be granted by U.S. institutions? In 2009, those institutions granted something like 95,000 computer science degrees, including about 32,000 associate's degrees and fewer than 1600 Ph.D.s. Over 10 years, that adds up to more than the number of new jobs that BLS expects will be added, but significantly fewer than the number of job openings.

>It's when you compare these numbers to other fields that you realize how much better prospects are likely to be in computer science. Consider that in the physical sciences, for example, BLS predicts that fewer than 36,000 new jobs will be created—a 3% increase. Counting replacements, BLS predicts 121,900 openings in all fields of physical science, at all degree levels, before 2020. According to the National Science Foundation, about 27,000 people were granted degrees in the physical sciences in 2009, at all degree levels, including associate's degrees. Multiply that by 10 and compare. You'll quickly see that supply is predicted to surpass demand.

>"Finding: All indicators—all historical data, and all projections—argue that [computer science] is the dominant factor in America's science and technology employment, and that the gap between the demand for [computer science] talent and the supply of that talent is and will remain large.

>While there will be inevitable variations in demand for every field, the long-term prospects for employment in [computer science] occupations in the United States are exceedingly strong. All other S&T fields pale by comparison."

http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2013_03_25/caredit.a1300053

>>6156610

It makes sense

Pretty soon every fact of our lives will involve automation

guess who has to program that

>>6156616
We're doomed. Macfags who can't hello world at the end of the semester.

>>6156616
sir, you are 100% correct. it's all becoming automated and AI is taking over.

>How Technology Is Destroying Jobs

>That robots, automation, and software can replace people might seem obvious to anyone who’s worked in automotive manufacturing or as a travel agent. But Brynjolfsson and McAfee’s claim is more troubling and controversial. They believe that rapid technological change has been destroying jobs faster than it is creating them, contributing to the stagnation of median income and the growth of inequality in the United States. And, they suspect, something similar is happening in other technologically advanced countries.

http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/515926/how-technology-is-destroying-jobs/


>Report Suggests Nearly Half of U.S. Jobs Are Vulnerable to Computerization

>Oxford researchers say that 45 percent of America’s occupations will be automated within the next 20 years.

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/519241/report-suggests-nearly-half-of-us-jobs-are-vulnerable-to-computerization/

>An army of robot baristas could mean the end of Starbucks as we know it

http://qz.com/134661/briggo-coffee-army-of-robot-baristas-could-mean-the-end-of-starbucks-as-we-know-it/

>Even the finest restaurants are serving coffee made with capsules. Have we lost faith in the human touch?

http://www.aeonmagazine.com/being-human/julian-baggini-coffee-artisans/

>Hamburger-making machine churns out custom burgers at industrial speeds

http://www.gizmag.com/hamburger-machine/25159/

>>6156625
>implying this is not obvious

>>6156391

biology, chemistry, physics, mathematics, biochemstry, physico-chemistry, microbiology, astrology are god-tier
if you got that shit down, everything else makes perfect sense/will come to you, if you're not 100% autistic

>>6156622
>We're doomed. Macfags who can't hello world at the end of the semester.

Say what?

>>6156625

>army of robot baristas

Haha math and artsfags, we're ruining your last occupational prospects

>>6156626
it's not.

http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20131001/19110024723/luddites-are-almost-always-wrong-technology-rarely-destroys-jobs.shtml

^^^
this is actually the prevailing economic position today.

>>6156636
In the future it is

>>6156636

the grocery store (Kroger) near my house has only one human-operated checkout line and the rest is a sea of self-checkout automators

It's gradually going to happen, the only thing subject to speculation is the timeline

>everyone putting math at or above physics

You people have no clue. Are you aware that physics majors get twice the workload as math majors (which is easy-mode by comparison) and have to learn pretty much the same shit, except they have to actually demonstrate their competence by applying their knowledge?

Physics majors are also objectively smarter. GRE scores speak for themselves. Who's #1 in quantitative reasoning? Physics, not math. Verbal reasoning, analytical writing? Math majors don't even show up in the top 10.

>>6156699
that might be true, but with out math you can't do anything as a physicist

>>6156704
So what? Physicists are better mathematicians than mathematicians themselves.

>>6156708
lel, sorry but thats not true, most physicist don't know how make proofs

>>6156720
LMAO. Maybe the first year students who quickly find out they're not suited for a physics degree.

Upper level math courses are like half physics majors, sometimes more (they're usually at the top of the class, by the way. Funny how that works). If math majors are so much better at proofs and by extension logical reasoning, why doesn't it show in GRE scores? Because they're not, it's that simple.

>>6156731
how many phisicist take math courses beyond ODE's ? how many of them take functional analysis or algebraic geometry or ? I'm sure the ones who takes them are really smart and capable, but they are a huge minority.

>>6156616
>CS
>automation
>guess who has to program that
>implying automation is all about programing
>implying code monkeys can into hardware

>>6156391
Can one get a graduate's degree in physics/astrophysics with an undergrad degree in math?

>>6156391

>engineering god tier

my sides

>>6156731

fucking troll. it shows in LSAT scores and GRE scores you faggot

>people still respond to these threads
sage it to hell.

>>6156818

Yes. It should be easy, especially if you've done a lot of dynamical systems and analysis. The concepts are easy to learn once you know the math. Quantum mechanics is just applied functional analysis.

Source: BSc in physics & astronomy, MA in Math

law is top tier and poli sci is shit tier
>almost identical

Philosophy is Top Tier, figgit

>Top major for getting in to grad school
>Gives basic skills for learning any subject
>High IQs take it

phil. major reporting in

>>6156561
Do you have time for anything else? Like going out or socializing with friends or do you get enough of that in your office/or the weekends?

>>6156994
>Philosophy gives basic skills for learning any subject

I think you confused the words "mathematics" and "philosophy."

>putting all that shit in the tier as Mathematics

God tier: Mathematics

Everything else is at least one tier below.

>>6156994

Intensive study teaches anybody skills for learning any subject, not philosophy. You could make the same argument from learning music, mathematics, and everything in between. Mathematicians and physicists seem to have an interest in philosophy, but I've never seen a philosopher PURSUE an interest in mathematics or anything technical that's not abstract. This probably accounts for the high IQ's that choose to take it. Out of curiosity, what's the highest level science and math you've taken? This isn't a loaded question that I'm going to use to insult your intelligence, because I don't believe intelligence isn't solely defined by an area of study, I'm just curios.

Never understood how maths can explain crime? I can see how human behaviour can be explained by genetics which is chemistry which is maths etc. But there is no way a mathematician could design a housing project which would limit crime for example. Or how to promote healthy eating behaviours or cut down on smoking. Most people would think fear tactics are the way to go, whilst this is not the case.

>>6156708


>delusional Physicists thinking they're mathematicians

>>6157026
fucking love that pic

>>6156525

>architecture not intensively applying mathematics

4chan is full of retarded comments, but yours competes for the throne.

>>6157027
I'm sorry, exactly what's the point you're trying to make with this statement? And while this may be true for most cases, math and statistics is evolving in a way that can explain human behavior. Please refer yourself to the book "Big Data: A Revolution that will Transform the way we Live, Work, and Think". The author discusses how predictive analytics are being used to gain greater mathematical insight into ideas such as the ones you've mentioned, and how to fix them. The author uses an excellent example of how police forces are using it to cut down crime.

>>6156994
>phil. major reporting in

I hear phil majors get their Subway or Mickey D's uniform (their choice) along with their diploma. That true?

>>6157036
My point is that just because something like maths is seen as the purest of science it doesn't mean that they can do everything. Which is most definitely what a lot of people on here are saying

>>6157027
What is statistics?

>>6157042
What the fuck are you on about

>>6157042
I agree with you in the sense that it can not do "everything", but because of the wealth of the goals that it can accomplish, it's more respected than most studies. It's just a matter of abundance of application. That doesn't mean any other study is "worse" or "shit" compared to it, it just means there isn't as much application (disregarding personal interest)

>>6156622
>We're doomed
We would be, if those were the people who dealt with automation on a grand scale. Kinda related:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoOuHXnlfbc

>...the key thing is...a bunch of complicated math...

>The computers aren't the things that you're controlling. Fit this into your heads in the tightest possible way. The computers are not the reason that you're involved.

>The process is not trivial.

>The hard part is the process map.

>There is no such thing as a truly autonomous system. We're not at the point where we trust the machines 100%.

>The vast majority of people, who work in the control systems space, would be perfectly happy with 8 bit computers, that knew their place in the world. It is not insane to suggest that modern computers are no longer predictable in their actions.

>Once upon a time, computers did what they were told to do. They are supposed to be deterministic. Most computers are no longer deterministic, they won't always do exactly the same thing in exactly the same way. This is the same kind of suck that has given us botnets. This is the same kind of suck that has made it so that every time you visit your family, you spend the entire holiday doing tech support.

In short, automating on a vast scale doesn't happen with the kind of garbage most people, compscifags included, think of as a computer. The only place you can use crap like that, and get away with it, is operator stations and data storage. So don't worry about macfags too much.

>>6156708

As a physicist myself, you're a fucking retard.

>>6156748

If you want to do high energy physics you definitely need higher math. Hell, even quantum requires functional analysis. For high energy physics you need differential geometry, algebraic topology, abstract algebra, etc.

>>6156586
But CS is shit anyway

>>6157004

Most of my closest friends also work with me. And like you imagined, weekends are my time to really go out and socialize. Sometimes I go out during the week after my writing session, but I take care not to drink too much or do anything extreme.

I would love to be able to live only to write: there would be much more time left to read, watch movies, listen to music and, of course, go out and meet people. But we must do what we can with what we have, and honestly I am happy with my life.

>>6156625
Turing was a gay faggot.

>>6156549
You're a chemical engineer ?

I am in a similar position, just with music instead of writing. Good luck with your endeavors

>>6156391
Why does /sci/ shit on history so much?
Not something like "Women's rights history" but I mean actual, respectable, fields in history.

They're not "shit tier"

You need to have intelligence to understand the points behind the events. It's a lot more than memorizing dates and numbers.

>>6157702
I took 2 history courses for humanities electives.
They were actually quite enjoyable.

>>6157702

Unless it involves higher levels of math then /sci/ can't comprehend why people would need to know it.

>>6156748
Every theoretical physics professor I've met knows functional analysis, group theory, differential geometry, topology, etc. These fields have important applications in modern physics.

Many experimentalists do too, but not to the level of a theorist. But the experimentalists seem to have a really good grasp of programming and applied physics since they need to design an experimental setup and test it with software before they use it.

>>6156630
>astrology.
Really? I mean really?

>>6157766
yes, but they still a minority

>>6157033
He´s right. Architecture is fucking stupid. I´m basing this off a guy I knew who got his masters from Auburn University in Architecture. I don´t think he could pass a algebra I test.

>>6157702
I don´t see why you would study history unless you plan to spend the rest of your life teaching it. For fun however, it´s awesome.

what is the point of life, /sci/? Is there one or are we just here for life's lulz?

>>6156391
How is Music and Political Science shit tier?

>>6157808
Who are? Not the physicists, they're usually white.

>78 posts and 10 image replies omitted.
T-thanks, /sci/

>can't do useful and clean programs
>hate everything about IT/CS

>>6157702
I think real history is very interesting. But the ones that universities teach are propaganda. They leave certain details out or only tell half the truth. If you want to learn what actually happened you should study on your own time.

>>6156391

>>6158782

Opposite day: the post

Is computer science really a waste of life? What about doing it in your spare time?

>>6158820

Don't listen to them

It is pure math majors upset about the newfound relevancy of a field they deem a cash-in.

CS is more than programming, they're heads are too far up their own ass to know that

>>6158782
What if you're studying electromechanical engineering?

>>6158824
*they're, I'm on my phone

>>6158820
Why would you do it in your spare time? Do something productive instead.

>>6158824
You learn programming in CS? I thought that was only for CS students pursuing their PhD.

>>6158834

I'm actually in pure math, we are taking a course in sandwich making right now. Coffee brewing is our postgrad work.

>>6158820
CS is NOT I repeat NOT programming. Its mostly mathematics and Algorithms. Thats all we do. We prove mathematical theories and optimize algorithms / make better ones. Programming is for computer programmers. We call them code monkeys. Thus CS IS God Tier. At least look at Wikipedia before posting you ignorant faggots.

>>6158854

Hear hear. Mathsfags buttmad because CS is a far more practical and productive branch than a million retarded proofs and theories.

>Pharmaology below chemistry

What?

>>6158820
>Is computer science really a waste of life? What about doing it in your spare time?

<span class="math">\bf{ MAJORING } [/spoiler] in computer science is absolute waste of life and money. Studying it in your own time is fine and you'll learn it far faster and deeper than CS majors do.

>>6158854
>Its mostly mathematics and Algorithms

Stop spreading that lie. There's no real math and algorithms are highly trivial.

math is less useful than CS? ummm. i beg to differ: The foundation of CS is laid on math. without advanced math, computer science cold not be secure, fast, or have a global network. without advanced number theory we wouldnt have secure encryption. without advanced proof writing, CS algorithms could not be optimized, or shown to be optimal.

>>6158883
this not not apply in Eu, why is US CS basically programming?

>>6158887
Do you even lambda calculus?

>>6158903
Parts of Europe and Australia call Computer Engineering "Computer Science". Majoring in CS/Informatics is retarded anywhere.

>>6158903

It isn't, stop getting your information from 4chan.

>>6158883

Studying math at university is a waste of life and trivial, just pick up a book and learn

>these idiot NEETs charading as maths majors trying to rip on CS

We see through your lies

You faggots would fail a 2000 level algorithms and logic course

>>6156391
Pharmacology should be on the same level as medicine. In fact pharmacology is harder than medicine.

>>6158820
What is the difference between computer engineering and computer science? I keep hearing its two completely different majors in the US.

>>6158999
Yes, they are in the US. In my University at least, computer science has exactly the same course structure as Electrical Engineering for the first two years, then diverges to focus more on computer hardware/networks, while electrical engineering works on telecommunication systems, signal processing, and stuff like that.

Computer Science, on the other hand, involves software more often; algorithms, operating systems, automata, data structures, computer architecture. Again, this how my university in the US handles it, it could be different for other Universities.

>>6159003
>In my University at least, computer science has exactly the same course structure as Electrical Engineering
"science" in this sentence should be "engineering"

>>6158999
CS = more software and computation focused
CE= more hardware focused

Aspiring math-fag here...

I'd pit physics above it, even though mathematics is the foundation of it..

Also, computer science is at least top-tier.

>>6158913
>tfw you just finished a program that implements a basic form of lambda calculus using functional languages
Feels good.

>>6158996

Medicine and Pharmacology are both rote memorization regardless, not on the same level as most Engineering, CS, Physics/Math

>>6159003

Computer Engineers also take (better) computer architecture, operating systems, automata, and data structures classes.

>>6159045

Not at my university. Anything to do with programming is a CS course overlap as well.

Keep preaching your opinion though

>>6159045
No. That is factually incorrect. It isn't even their fucking specialization.

Did a CS student steal your girlfriend or something?

>>6159045
LMAO. autistic retard is on the prowl today.

>>6159054
>>6159049

ABET <span class="math">requires[/spoiler] all accredited Computer Engineers programs to have Computer Architecture, Operating Systems, and Data Structures courses.

You don't need to be a CS major to learn programing.

Real list (objective undergrad)

God Tier: Mathematics, Physics
Top Tier: CE, EE, BME, CS, ChemE, Chemistry, ME, Biochem
Mid Tier: CivilE, ISE, Biology, Architecture
Shit Tier: fake "sciences", Poli Sci, Social Work, Humanities, Pre-Law, other assorted bullshit

>>6159067
I believe you went wrong when you said "better", asshat. They take those classes in the CS department. Its obvious you know fuck all about how universities work.

>>6159076
>inb4 psychology buttmad

>>6159076
>BME

Retard

>>6159036
Yeah, I agree with that part, but a good researcher or clinician can apply as well as he can memorize. Not all physicians are GP's.

Wymons studies (to learn how to fend off attacks from wyrms)

>>6159082
I'm not even BME, but I've seen biomed's requirements and it is very rigorous. Math + sciences like chem and bio

>>6159076
>BME

Nah bro, BME is not on the same level as EE, CE, or ChemE.

>>6159091
Is this list based on marketability or difficulty of coursework?

>>6159089
I think Medicine's rigor comes in that it requires a huge amount of studying and work ethic not quite so much needed in other sciences.

Entrance standards to Med school require a 3.5 GPA to even think about making it in

>>6159094
Oh, so you took it?

>>6159097
If it was marketability Math and Physics would not be God tier

>>6159079
No, their Computer Architecture course is always separate (outside of hybrid EECS/CSE programs) as CS ones waste a lot time covering very basic freshman digital logic concepts and hence the CE ones are inarguably better.

Data Structures could go either way but a lot of schools start CS majors in Java/python and so CE programs need their own C++/C Data Structures course.

>>6159091
All watered down compared to similar EE/MechE/ChemE courses.

BME sucks

>>6156616
but garden variety comp sci people you find on /sci/ won't be programming shit, they'll be the computer janitors fixing chad the trader's pricing algorithm

>>6156630
this is what /sci/ actually believes. i know physics so i know philosophy

>>6156636
growing capital stock raises total wages because labor is more productive, but when the capital stock is growing due to technological progress it tends to raise wages very unevenly. in the limit we'll have some super-rich wage earners (not programmers, but the people who actually use the capital, sorry to say) and a whole bunch of really poor people.

think about it like this. there used to be a huge market for paralegal-type work where people scrubbed through law libraries to find the exact right case for the lawyers. now electronic databases have completely replaced this job. paralegals lost their jobs, the programmers got a one-time payment, and now the lawyers make a shitload of money because they're much much more productive than they used to be.

>>6159104
And so CE students waste time learning fundamental language concepts as a precursor while CS students have moved on to more advanced coursework

Where are you going with this

>>6159114
>CE students waste time learning fundamental language concepts as a precursor

What?

>>6159114
*CPE

CE is civil engineering

>>6156610

Yeah, they're revving up the comp sci hype engine again. I wonder how big the crash will be this time.

>>6156708
physicists are better at plug and chug, doing integration by parts, baby algebra tricks, etc. than mathematicians. if you think that's what math is, then you'll think physicists are better at math than mathematicians. meanwhile, people who know what math is are laughing at you.

>>6159109
That's not computer science you dense fuck.

Anymore than an accountant is a mathematician.

>>6158883
i mean, computer science isn't really about programming per se, but i agree it's a waste to go to school to learn how to program as anybody can do that on their own. the killer combination is having some strong non-cs field and being able to program as an auxiliary skill.

>>6159124
fine, computer science isnt programming i agree. but you're assuming computer science majors do what you call 'computer science' when they graduate. it's like assuming philosophy majors do 'philosophy' when they graduate. in reality you become some computer janitor schlub or best-case a code monkey

>>6159119
You claimed CS students waste time on freshman digital logic concepts.

Were you under the impression Computer Engineers step into their data structures class already knowing programming fundamentals magically?

>>6159130
And Physicists work at Subway, Sociologists at Starbucks, right?

>>6159130
You know this image board you're posting on right now? Who do you think built that?

Your computer? Why aren't you using DOS right now? Where did that GUI come from?

We make computers accessible so that mouthbreathers like you can comfortably voice your unfounded opinions online.

>>6156994
Philosophy is top-tier, but unless you go into law school or minor in something more practical, your job options consist of Professor or call center worker.

I'd love to do philosophy, but I don't want to be a phil. professor. I'm just going to study the concepts on my own.

>>6159167
>a bunch of pretentious blowhards voicing their useless opinions and ruminations in a daily circlejerk
>mortal fear of math
>"top tier"

>>6159182
Its funny how even saying the word buttflusters every sophomore on this board. Its like you-re all insecurelittle girls.

I agree with >>6159167 though, philosophy needs a compliment unless you are willing to sacrifice a huge part of your life.

>>6156525
>hahaohwow.jpg
so all buildings should just be gray concrete windowless squares?

>>6159194

The "concept" of philosophy is noble at its core.

The student population, however, is composed of some of the worst people, only second to the Wymyn's Studies and Socio queers.

>My parents told me I'm really smart my whole life
>Weird, I suck at math though
>Philosophy it is

>>6156525
This post just goes to show just how much shit people can talk out of their asses. Its an endemic disease on this arrogant board.

>>6159203
I do agree with this statement
>the student population, however, is composed of some of the worst people

But I invite you to be a little less short-sighted and look around. Physicians, Lawyers, Math-heads, all these disciplines foster the worst kind of people. I can speak from first-hand knowledge on Lawyers and Physicians.

Also, in my country we don't have bullshit like Women Studies, but we do have unsufferable psychologists and sociologists that didn't have the strength and the brains for real science or philosophy.

>>6159132
>You claimed CS students waste time on freshman digital logic concepts

Yes, I was talking about Computer Architecture and by Digital Logic I didn't mean Truth Tables and DeMorgan's Law.

Freshman Digital Logic is:
Logic Gates construction out of various transistors circuits
K-Maps and Logic Optimization
Encoder/Decoder/Multiplexer
Arithmetic Circuits (Look Ahead Adders, Booth Encoded Wallace Tree Multiplier)
Flip flops, Mealy and Moore Machines, Automata Theory
Verilog/VHDL
Error Correcting Codes, Fault Tolerance, Design for Testability
ROM/RAM circuits
FPGAs

>>6156585
So CS not important in a world which runs on technology apparently; objectively its more important than highly specialized field like neuroscience to society at large.

As my physics teacher always told us.

Without math there wouldn't be physics. Without physics there wouldn't be chemistry. Without chemistry there wouldn't be biology.

So thats my personal hierarchy.

>>6157033
he's actually right
modern architectural studies aren't much higher than interior design programs
modern architects contract most of the technical shit out
they are basically do a little artistic design and then do a lot of project management/contract stuff

>>6159182
Yes, philosophy is pretentious.

It's also fundamentally important. Logic, metaphysics, epistemology are all things that bleed over into nearly every subject, including mathematics.

I'm not a phil. major. But someone who fails to study philosophy (even just a rudimentary introduction to the subject is enough) is only seeing a thin part of the world around them.

>>6156625
As if the capitalists system will allow this level of automation to take place without shooting themselves in the foot in the process.

>>6157033
I went to a school with many many architectural students.
I've seen their senior level structure homework.
It's a joke.

>>6159218
>>6159235
Well if architect students don't do shit then who is actually designing the architecture?

>>6159240
Architectural engineers, structural engineers, civil engineers

>>6159144
>implying GUIs are the most important component of a computer system

>>>/g/tfo

>>6159212

Don't respond to this troll

He posts this all the time on here

>>6159279

Durr hurr yeah that's exactly what I said

why is pharma/toxi so high?

>>6159298
Because that list fucking sucks

>>6159298
because dying from pneumonia sucks

>math
>god tier

>>6159082
>>6159094
>>6159106

What is so bad about BME? I am about to study this

>>6159343
Biomedical engineering has pretty high unemployment rates for one thing

>>6159182
that's just not what philosophy is though. i don't understand how all these 'logical' 'empirical' can be this resistant to like, looking up what philosophers do beyond some dumb thing they learned in Phil 101, which is as basic as the stuff you learn in Math 101.

>>6159495

We took Math 101 content in our sophomore year of high school.

>>6159182

This motherfucker, whose "scared of math" probably accomplished more that you at the age of 17.

>>6159543
okay? you totally missed the point. if somebody said that math was just solving quadratics for x, it would reveal them as having no idea what they're talking about. when somebody says philosophy is people voicing their useless opinions and ruminations with a mortal fear of math, it reveals them as having no idea of what they're talking about.

Tier images are troll bait.

>>6157369
This is supposed to change what?

My opinion of him.

Am I supposed to scream "icky" or something?

Or run to a church, maybe?

>>6159623
That guy studied mathematics. A philosopher would not understand any of his work.

>>6159623
Hey its Kripke!

I remember reading some of his stuff last year when I was trying to understand Wittgenstein and some theoretical Comp Sci.

>>6159667

I can't tell if you are a fucking idiot, or a troll. So I guess its a decent attempt

>>6159659
Tell me what philosophy is. Show me philosophy that isn't just baseless drivel. Show me philosophy with factual basis in reality. Oh wait, that would be science. Well, thanks for playing, you lost.

>>6159676
Kripke studied mathematics. This is a fact you can easily google. Why do you pretend to be retarded?

>>6159683

Lots of people study mathematics, but he was a philosopher, primarily. Showing that philosophers aren't afraid of mathematics.

Logic is a subset of philosophy.

>>6156549

You see a lot of girls getting their Bachelor's, but it'll usually be in organic if anything. Don't underestimate the complexity involved with physical and inorganic branches of chemistry which oftentimes overlap into physics. Statistical thermodynamics and quantum mechanics are no slouch subjects to be studied, and is certainly no less than what you'd expect in your list of 8. I mean History and Psychology before Chemistry? Something wrong with that. Where do you think the entire quantitative basis behind psychology as a science came from? Physics, Chemistry and Applied Mathematics.

>>6159623

He did math too. Something philosophy majors don't do.

>>6159695

Who gives a shit about majors, he is a philosopher, studying the subject of philosophy while still understanding mathematics

>>6159659

At this point, all of the philosophy majors the system churns out are just, plainly, more useless than the STEM majors

Of course you'll get your little brilliant guy in there, like you do in any field, but by and large, a bunch of deadbeats who spent $200,000 to read about what other guys thoughts were

>>6159685
>but he was a philosopher, primarily
No, he was a mathematician primarily. That's what he studied and what he worked on.

>Logic is a subset of philosophy.
We don't live in ancient greece anymore. Logic has been formalized and is a field of math. Philosotards only get a dumbed down version of the simplest kind of logic and even there they fail hard.

>>6159685
Oh, excuse me, I'll clarify. Sure, real intelligent philosophers will go ahead and study mathematics as well. So why don't all of those "smart" philosophy students your'e talking about?

>>6159704
He is a mathematician, not a philosopher.

>>6159704

You have done nothing to refute the central point, just pointed out that a philosopher was once good at math.

Doesn't change the fact that kids going into philosophy do it because they're scared of math.

>>6159715
The topic says tier of subject ie content,not quality of students'

>>6159715
As well ad the statement implied all philosophers were scared of math

>>6159709
So if ex-post you define philosophers who do math as mathematicians, then of course, 'philosophers' as you define them don't do math. but you're just making up a definition that people don't use in the real world.

>>6159715
i dunno man. my brother graduated with honors with a math degree from harvard and now he's a philosophy professor at a top school. his work is in logic and decision theory. his publications look like math papers except they aren't about math subjects. this is what almost all modern philosophy papers look like. he and his colleagues wouldn't call themselves mathematicians, they call themselves philosophers

>>6159770
Someone who studied math and does math is called a mathematician. That's an accepted definition.

>>6159782
fine, if you want a degenerate definition, then modern philosophy departments are filled with mathematicians who do math and publish math papers and there's no such thing as the /sci/ strawman philosopher because there aren't philosophers who do what /sci/ thinks philosophers do. all the philosophy majors are actually just math majors.

>>6159784
>modern philosophy departments are filled with mathematicians who do math and publish math papers

No, they are not. Philosophers can't into math. If you want to do math, you'll have to study math, not philosophy. You seem to be confused. Please don't talk about things you don't understand. Google the curricula of math and philosophy at any university and try to spot the difference.

>>6156391
GEOLOGY GOD-TIER

I dont understand computer science, people either seem to think it's the cheat code to life and will get you $1,000,000 starting, 50 ferraris, and 100 girlfriends, or that the degree is worth less than toilet paper, and studying it will kill your family and rape your dog

>>6159803
If you don't end up working for a multidollar company or come up with an original idea you're pretty much going to be a codemonkey, otherwise enjoy your monthly 6000k starting

>>6159817
10000k*

>>6159778

Just stop posting please

>>6159803

It's a big battleground topic on /sci/ because the most prevalent of the science majors on 4chan is CS, so the rest feel an urgent need to berate and attack it, while CS majors will gloat about job prospects etc.

>mathematics
>god tier
What can you even do with a degree in math?

>>6159904
you're guarenteed any job with a starting income of 300k$/year once you reach PhD

>>6160010
only in triple integrals

>>6159782
just like it would be diluting the term to call every single undergraduate student who studies a science subject a "scientist" so would it be silly to call every mathematics undergrad a "mathematician"

acceptable thresholds of when it is ok to call someone a mathematician include
-when a maths paper they've authored or co-authored has been published
-when they're working for a company or organisation attempting to solve problems that day to day require mathematical expertise that a person without a degree in mathematics would not have (equivalent to how a scientist working for a tech company might not publish papers but is still a scientist because his whole job is applying scientific expertise)


you can't call yourself a scientist or a mathematician if you used to study it but now you work as an accountant or some shit.

whether a quant should be considered a mathematician or not is I suppose up for debate

>>6156544
Nigga are you telling me that you think studying action potentials falls under some kind of super 1337 biophysics and not regular fucking physiology????

>>6159233
Can't tell if sarcastic post or not.

I fail to see how so many of these lists put chemistry in god tier and pharmacology in top tier. Pharmacology is mostly chemistry anyways haha, not to mention the fact that it makes the medicines that every single person on this list takes or will want to take should they find themselves in need of it. Anyone care to explain what i'm failing to see here?

>>6156391
if I want to be a biophysicist, do I take biology and physics or biology and engineering

the engineering vs physics still baffles me.
I'm very good at putting things together physically, would that mean I'm good at engineering and that a physics course would help me in the analytics or should I focus on my strengths?

The fuck is wrong with political science

>>6160592
not a science.

>>6160587
When you do a master in theoretical physics at my uni then you can choose if you want to be specialised in theoretical particle physics or theoretical biophysics.

>>6160625
but can I build actual things

>212 posts and 17 image replies omitted.
Have you no fucking shame?

>>6160636
I don't think that biophysicist build anything. I think that they just want to understand the mechanics of the body. Like how cells works and organs.

>>6160646
but I want to build cells

>>6160653
Then put your penor in a woman.

Philosophy is in God tier because science can't explain nor answer the questions in it.

Economics is in top tier because you're modelling human behaviour, which is far, far more complex and unpredictable than deterministic physical systems and even quantum systems.

>>6160729
>because science can't explain nor answer the questions in it.

Neither can philosophers. They fail so fucking hard in their own field. Let's say science as defined by the scientific method started to be a rigorous discipline in the middle of the 19th century. That means it took scientists less than 150 years to explain almost everything we can observe in nature. Philosotards on the other hand had more than 3000 years and didn't answer a single one of their useless metaphysical garbage questions. We are not one sinlge step closer to an answer to the questions of consciousness, solipsism and free will and it still doesn't fucking matter because these questions have absolutely no impact on our life.

>>6158854
>We prove mathematical theories

>>6158854
It appears your only knowledge of CS stems from reading wikipedia articles. Since I love to burst your little bubble, I'll encourage you to go for a CS undergrad degree and see for yourself how reality does not care about what you believe CS should be. You won't find any higher math or theoretical contents in a CS curriculum beyond shallow introductions on high school level.

>>6160732
you just have misconceptions about what philosophy is for. you think it's for finding the "right" answers. it's not.

philosophy is for answering the one question that actually matters: "what is the good life?" the answer is different for everyone, but insofar as you are concerned with this question, you are concerned with philosophy.

>>6160743
Lel

>>6160748
>you think it's for finding the "right" answers. it's not.
A question which cannot be answered is not a question worth asking. Thanks for demonstrating once again how useless philosophy is.

>"what is the good life?" the answer is different for everyone, but insofar as you are concerned with this question, you are concerned with philosophy.
That's edgy teenager blog drivel. You don't need philosophers to come up with a 2deep4me facebook status message.

>>6160743
you learn discrete math and linear algebra at the college level in like every cs degree

>>6160751
>A question which cannot be answered is not a question worth asking.
determining whether or not philosophical questions are worth asking is in the domain of philosophy tho

>That's edgy teenager blog drivel. You don't need philosophers to come up with a 2deep4me facebook status message.
maybe you need philosophers, maybe you don't. but either way, you need philosophy.

>>6160752
Those are high school tier.

>>6160757
k show me a high school curriculum with discrete math and linear algebra in it then, bro.

i mean im not saying it's super advanced but its there and its not high school

>>6160756
>determining whether or not philosophical questions are worth asking is in the domain of philosophy tho
No, it's just common sense.

>maybe you need philosophers, maybe you don't. but either way, you need philosophy.
No, I don't. I don't need pseudo-intellectual douchebags telling me that I "cannot know nuffin".

>>6160732
how does the discovery of a new chemical element impact anyones lives? has physics answered its question of finding a theory of everything yet?

science is just as useless

>>6160760
>No, I don't. I don't need pseudo-intellectual douchebags telling me that I "cannot know nuffin".
apparently you are confusing the entirety of philosophy for epistemology. please educate yourself further before continuing.

>>6160761
>k show me a high school curriculum with discrete math and linear algebra in it then, bro.
Linear algebra is mandatory part of high school curricula in most European countries. "Discrete math" is just a collection of prerequisites every real freshman math course at a university would quickly revise in the first lecture.

>>6160767
>"Discrete math" is just a collection of prerequisites every real freshman math course at a university would quickly revise in the first lecture.
dat backpedaling

and then there's algorithm analysis and data structures which deal with ADTs which usually constitutes a pretty theoretical course

>>6160762
Science answers questions and produces objective results. Philosophy just dwells in "lol I want to believe because I want to believe" and never produces anything of value, never answers any questions and has no objective basis.

>>6160765
Metaphysics is even worse than epistemology. "Hurr durr muh dualism because muh feelings" or "If I define it to be true, it will be true" are horribly failed non-arguments.

>>6160771
you are apparently confusing metaphysics and epistemology for the entirety of philosophy. please educate yourself before continuing.

how old are you? have you ever read any philosophy?

>>6160768
What backpedalling? I said "high school tier". I did not say they are taught in every high school. All I said is that they are on the same mental level as high school courses, i.e. not worthy of being considered university stuff.

>>6160769
>Science answers questions
they are useless and retarded questions irrelevant to anyone who isnt an autist

>produces objective results
nobody can even give me an equation for how an atom moves without being some crude approximation scheme

>>6160774
what about algorithm and ADT analysis doe

>>6160773
There isn't more to philosophy anymore. Everything else has been formalized.

Political philosophy? That's political SCIENCE now.
Aesthetics? The MATHEMATICAL patterns of aesthetics are described after being discoverd through STATISTICAL methods of data evaluation.
Ethics? That's just COMMON SENSE and doesn't need pseudo-intellectual nonsense talk.

>>6160776
High school tier. It does not require more than high school math and it is immediately intuitively obvious.

>>6160778
i don't know if i want to keep talking to a 14 year old who thinks that political philosophy and aesthetics have been formalized

>>6160778
common sense is for idiots

>>6160777
>they are useless and retarded questions irrelevant to anyone who isnt an autist
If you actually believed that, then you wouldn't spend time on a science and math board. You are purposely being dishonest.

>nobody can even give me an equation for how an atom moves without being some crude approximation scheme
An approximation is still better than "u cannot know nuffin".

>>6160779
lol ok bro

>>6160781
What part of my post did you not understand? I presented facts. If you don't like them, that's your personal problem and not mine.

>>6156699
LOL you were never majoring in math if you think physicists learn the same shit as them

>>6160785
>I presented facts.
>this is what phil-haters actually believe
your critical thinking skills are lacking. i recommend phil 100, once you get out of high school.

and seriously, how old are you?

>>6160783
>If you actually believed that, then you wouldn't spend time on a science and math board.
i'm here for math and not science

>An approximation is still better than "u cannot know nuffin".
it only reflects the modellers emotions and intuition at the time so nope just as bad

>>6160787
>your critical thinking skills are lacking

My critical thinking skills are excellent. That's why I don't mindlessly recite philosogarbage for the sole purpose of pseudo-intellectualism like you do, but instead I critically question the validity and usefulness of philosophy, thereby coming to the heavily supported conclusion that philosophy is worthless and counterproductive in our times where we have science and math.

>>6160788
>i'm here for math and not science
What kind of math do you know?

>it only reflects the modellers emotions and intuition at the time so nope just as bad
Subjective bias is ruled out by peer review.

>>6160791
why do you keep dodging my question about how old you are?

when you mature maybe you'll realize why philosophy is valuable.

>>6160793
>why do you keep dodging my question about how old you are?
Because it completely irrelevant to the discussion and it only serves to prepare your next ad hominems. Why do you intentionally weaken your position by resorting to such poor rhetorical fallacies?

>when you mature maybe you'll realize why philosophy is valuable.
When I matured, I grew out of edgy teenager shit and realized just how much of a useless waste of time philosophy is.

>>6160796
>Because it completely irrelevant to the discussion and it only serves to prepare your next ad hominems.

this is the classic argument that 14 year olds use to avoid revealing their age. why don't you just say it? if i use an ad hominem, who does that hurt? in your mind, i've already lost the argument anyway. it's an anonymous board, you don't have to be afraid.

>>6160799
Okay, I'll tell you my age once you admitted that you are sidetracking the discussion because you already lost the main point, i.e. the only reason why you are faking interest in my person is because you don't want to admit that I was right about philosophy being outdated and obsolete.

>>6160792
>What kind of math do you know?
noncommutative harmonic analysis

>Subjective bias is ruled out by peer review.
intersubjective bias and popular appeal isnt

>>6160802
lol you are unable to be argued with, that's why i need to know your age. it's a sanity thing, i can't spend all my time arguing with 14 year olds. i mean, they'll probably find out this shit by themselves by the time they reach 24. but if you were out of high school than this would be really sad, you might actually need to be educated.

>>6160806
>noncommutative harmonic analysis
What do you know about it?

>intersubjective bias and popular appeal isnt
You don't understand the scientific method.

>>6160810
It's sad to see you resorting to insults because you're too immature to be grateful for being corrected. A normal person would simply accept that he was wrong and would then proceed to either stop posting or thank me for showing him the flaws in his world view. Nonetheless I wish you the best and hope you'll grow up / find treatment for your mental issues.

>>6160811
>What do you know about it?
i know how to both contribute to it as a scholarly interest and contribute pieces of it to the medical industry to improve imaging techniques

>You don't understand the scientific method.
and you don't understand philosophy

>>6160815
i recommend the logic of scientific discovery and the structure of scientific revolutions, read in that order. you'll probably agree with the first, and the second might open your mind somewhat. after that, you can mess around with early 20th century analytic philosophy before reading the late wittgenstein, and then you can move on to everything else. have fun!

>>6160816
>i know how to both contribute to it as a scholarly interest and contribute pieces of it to the medical industry to improve imaging techniques
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

>and you don't understand philosophy
There is nothing that needs to be understood. It's meaningless pseudo-intellectualism.

>>6160819
>What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
cool story bro

>There is nothing that needs to be understood. It's meaningless pseudo-intellectualism.
applies to science as well

>>6160820
>cool story bro
So you have no evidence?

>applies to science as well
You hate science? GTFO my /sci/.

>>6160817
Why would I waste my time reading these books? I prefer to read actual science and math books.

>>6160825
a lot of what you've been saying throughout this conversation has been couched in the popper's language, so you might like his book. not to mention it will probably give you better ammunition for your argument that philosophy is meaningless. really, i don't even like popper, i'm just recommending him to you because i think you'd like him.

>>6160824
>So you have no evidence?
the posting or requesting of personal information is prohibited

>You hate science? GTFO my /sci/.
hating philosophy means you should gtfo

>>6160828
>the posting or requesting of personal information is prohibited
Tell that to the person who wanted to know my age.

>hating philosophy means you should gtfo
It just means I possess common sense. Common sense is a necessary prerequisite for science and math.

I love when you guys argue over majors. I bet most of you aren't even in college.

I don't get why people are actually arguing about "philosophy is useful/philosophy is useless".

Philosophy is just "there". Thinking "philosophy is useless" is by itself a philosophical statement, backed up by your own experience and view of the world. Same for the opposite statement.

Philosophy is the means by which we consider, describe and analyse ideas from different point of views.

>>6160833
>Philosophy is the means by which we consider, describe and analyse ideas from different point of views.

No, that would be rational thought. Philosophy is a catch-all term for all kinds of pseudo-intellectual teenager musings.

>>6160830
>It just means I possess common sense. Common sense is a necessary prerequisite for science and math.
false
math stays clear of fallacies

>>6160834
>math stays clear of fallacies

Does it? I don't think so. How do you explain the invention of "imaginary numbers"?

>>6160835
>i get to determine what words mean

>>6160837
I'm sorry I had to spell it out explicitly for you because you're lagging behind in your verbal development.

>>6160836
>How do you explain the invention of "imaginary numbers"?
15-16th century investigations in algebra

>>6160835
Dictionary source.

>>6160839
More like pseudo-math. Either you can solve for x or you can't. That's how algebra works. If you can't solve for x, then accept it and don't invent a new number that cannot even exist.

>>6160842
you dont understand high school math at all

>>6156599
was proofs the hardest thing you could think of? Apply youreself.

>>6160846
I do understand it. Are you projecting?

>>6160835
Well, etymologically, philosophy would just be "the love for rational thinking".

I don't think you can put an objective definition for philosophy, since philosophers would never come to an agreement for it. Thus, it is pretty much used to describe any though process not directly linked to any clearly defined scientific school, which includes pseudo-intellectual teenager musings. However, you cannot reduce philosophy to one of the many things it includes.

>>6160838
do you hate art too?

>>6160851
Why would you think that?

>>6160849
>I do understand it.
not if you are being serious

>Are you projecting?
do i look like a map

>>6158976
any recommended, obviously past specialist math

>>6160853
>not if you are being serious
I am serious.

>do i look like a map
Yes, you do.

>>6160852
if you like art you should read some plato and montaigne, who can be admired for their ability as prose stylists

>>6160855
>I am serious.
learn about field extensions

>Yes, you do.
how so

To quote something i read once, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". I'd say that all the sciences (even the soft ones) are magic, in the sense of a wizard studying magic as some way of knowledge about the "universe".

1. Computer Science - we're heading towards digitalization in pretty much every field. being a computer scientist in 2050 will be like being a bishop in the middle ages.
2. Physics/Mathematics - Computer science is built on these two subjects.
3. Psychology/Neuroscience - We need to understand how the human mind works before we can build artificial minded beings.
4. Linguistics/Philosophy - To be able to communicate scientific advances to the commoners.

>>6160864
>being a computer scientist in 2050 will be like being a bishop in the middle ages.

>>6160857
Back in high school I read something from Plato in the original language. That's pretty much all he's good for: practicing ancient greek. The actual contents of his works only sound imbecilic from our modern point of view. Same goes for all the other ancient greek and latin philosophers.

Gotta wait until I find one weekend of time to learn French before I can read Montaigne.

>>6160860
>learn about field extensions
I did.

>how so
Look in the mirror.

>>6160866
A challenge worthy of my skill!

>>6160868
>Gotta wait until I find one weekend of time to learn French before I can read Montaigne.
wow dude you are so hard, 1 weekend to learn french.

you sound like http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/sf2e7/i_sent_gabe_newell_a_question_about_what_his_life/c4dmknx

>>6160870
>I did.
you have failed your study if you can't understand and prove why
>Either you can solve for x or you can't. That's how algebra works.
>a new number that cannot even exist
are wrong statements

>Look in the mirror.
why

>>6160886
Show me an imaginary number in nature. Where do they appear in reality?

>>6160892
show me a negative number in nature.
show me a transcendental number in nature.
show me the real number line in nature.

>>6160784
>Thinks Red-Black tree analysis is difficult
>Thinks analysis of trivial algorithms like Kruskal's is impressive
>Probably thinks he's doing applied graph theory

>>6160892
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIggWlKr41w

if you confine maths to what you can represent in reality then all you would have is yan tan tethera.

>>6160875
>wow dude you are so hard, 1 weekend to learn french.
Is it unusual? I apologize if I came across as arrogant. As a person with an IQ higher than 150 I often fail to understand how slow other people are learning new contents.

>you sound like
I've seen that copypasta before.

>>6160904
>Is it unusual? I apologize if I came across as arrogant. As a person with an IQ higher than 150 I often fail to understand how slow other people are learning new contents.

you mean as someone with literal autism

>>6160899
nothing you do as an undergraduate is impressive at all dude. that doesn't make it "high school tier", it makes it "undergraduate tier", which is still easy as fuck

>>6160909
CS compared to similar Math, Physics, or Engineering course work is highly trivial. Their stuff really is at high school or even middle school level.

Pick up a copy of baby Rudin and Sipser and try to tell me they're equivalent in difficulty.

>>6160892
ontology is not science or math

>>6160907
I do not have this disorder. Perhaps you should look up the diagnostic criteria. High intelligence alone does not warrant a diagnosis.

>>6160922
so boring

why are you so boring

>>6160926
I'm not here for your entertainment. I'm here to discuss science and math.

>>6160940
ok go back to thinking you're smarter than everyone else then.

>>6160868
>one weekend
how

This is OP.Just found an improved one because of /sci/ constant bitching. Obviously the ones poking fun of CS are either trolls or iditot who think CS is the same field as programming.

>>6161719
I agree completely.
You could bump psychology to mid tier however.

Someone explain to me how business is shit-tier?

>>6161823
it's not something you need to study.

>>6161838
Neither is anything else in Uni since you can learn it all on the internet.

>>6161854
Lel. This man actually thinks the internet is the ultimate learning site. Did you get that shit from Wikipedia? Just because the cost of education can skyrocketed doesn't automatically make the internet the perfect place to master a subject. Sure Mit Open courseware, YouTube lectures and other bullshit like coursea and dulingo can help but they are no where near the experience an knowledge you can gain from the interactive experience between intellectuals.

You actually think you can get a Phd tier education by watching your TED and vsauce videos.

>>6161965
>huhuhu what is the library
>huhuhu what is khan academy
>huhuhuhu what is bookstores
You can literally learn anything you want in this world at any given time now a days, jackass. If business is such a shit degree, why does the average grad from a good school make 54k starting upon graduation. Stop being stupid and thinking STEM makes you a god of space and time, and everything that isn't STEM is a waste of time.

>>6162084
>*and that* everything that isn't STEM is a waste of time.

>>6162084
LEL butthurt highschooler pissed off cuss he plans to major in business.

>>6162084
You idiot, name one sucessful business field that garuntees "YOU" will be able to make a lasting impact on mankind. The point is, business WILL NOT allow mankind to progress as a species it is merely a method of allocating money for an individual.Science on the other hand DOES and it has been proven time and time again.

>>6162126
because businesses totally don't fund your pathetic worthless research on penis enlargement pills, or create jobs for the economy mirite guize? It's all the hip cutting-edge genius neckbeard scientists who do everything in this world for everyone. A chemist cant fucking balance a spread sheet, nor will he know what fucking stocks to invest in, and the condition of the market at a given time. Business majors will. Your head is so far up your ass with your bullshit STEM ignorance it's pathetic.

>>6162393
>nor will he know what fucking stocks to invest in
There is no possible way to predict the future of stocks. If you meant diversifying your portfolio, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

>the condition of the market at a given time.
That is also the jobs of scientist called ecnomists and mathmethicians. Notice how they are not called business men.

>because businesses totally don't fund your pathetic worthless research
If it's so worhtless, why even fund it? You are not making any sense. Your anger is interfering with your logic.

TLDR; Look, its obvious you are butthurt about this, go home and get some rest.

>>6162393
You realize business has driven even the most intelligent people into bankruptcy more than any other field. The field just has too much probability involved. Every modern business that is successful today is held together because of the scientists that apply "SCIENCE" to perfect it. The CEO doesn't sprinkle any magic fairy dust and make money; his ass depend on those intellectuals behind the scenes just like with anything today (music,govenrment,military,films,banks). You are just too blind to see it.

>>6162413
>There is no possible way to predict the future of stocks. If you meant diversifying your portfolio, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Actually there's a few ways of figuring it out, its called, looking at the fucking trends, and the companies next, or latest projects and making calculations based off them.

>That is also the jobs of scientist called ecnomists and mathmethicians. Notice how they are not called business men.

Notice how economics falls under the degree of business, or commerce, same applies with financial mathematics as well. They're both business degrees in the end, and are important.

>If it's so worhtless, why even fund it? You are not making any sense. Your anger is interfering with your logic.

You realize that a lot of the research done at universities is utterly worthless, and produces no results and just sucks up tax payer money.

TL;DR you're an ignorant pleb who's brainwashed with STEM lies, and think you'll be making 300k starting salary after graduation.

>>6162420
You're right the CEO doesn't sprinkle magic or fairy dust, or pixie dust to make his company better, he hires competent individuals, and a board of directors, as well as advisers to come up with ideas, and projects to expand the business. And as for your point about how even the most intelligent people become bankrupt, nothing is ever foolproof or immortal, and companies will get bailouts presuming they were successful before hand.