/sci/ - Science & Math

Take out calculus, which only STEM people will ever use, and replace with statistics, which can help anyone make better decisions.

Add one required semester of personal finance.

>>6103341
take out english, essays, shakespeare, etc

put in a foreign language
teach math rigoroulsy
teach programming
teach art
teach basic bookkeeping

>>6103380
cut all that crap out of algebra 2, like conic functions

combine calc 1 with newtonian mechanics
combine biology with chemistry

>>6103341
>asian chick wears goggles
>hair strands not bound back

>>6103366
This is actually a great idea. The average person can't understand statistics or create a budget.

>>6103389
>they're all wearing gloves.

>>6103366
Smart.

Symbolic logic from 1st grade
Computer programming from 1st grade
Second language from 1st grade.
These all have to be made 5 year-old friendly of course.

>>6103405
Wait...
Where are the people who aren't crapping in their pants or in the potty crapping?

>>6103408
Yes, the silent "no pants" majority.

I would like to see my country (the US) dump a million metric shittonnes of money into education of all kinds.
Start at age three and keep them in school 60 hours a week. Rigorous, demanding Shou-lin/ Jesuit level training for the whole country.
Make itree and mandatory until age 22.

nb4: why does a future janitor need that? Because a future janitor has to know how to program, maintain and repair all his robots. Same with burger cook etc.

Frank Herbert was right: superior educational systems are what makes a people powerful.

>>6103366
also gut entire math curriculum and rebuild from scratch a la "mathematicians lament."

throw in chess in elementary school

>1st grade
Basic addition/subtraction
>2nd grade
Basic times tables/fractions
>3rd grade
Division, Powers, Roots
>4th grade
Algebra
>5th grade
Geometry, Logic, Sets, Combinatorics, Proofs
>6th grade
Higher order Algebra. Trig, Exponential, Logs, Series, Sums, Limits
>7th grade
Calculus, Matrix Algebra
Chemistry
>8th
Vector Calculus, ODEs
Mechanics, Thermodynamics
C++ Programming
>9th
Linear Algebra, Probability, Statistics
Electromagnetism, Circuits
Digital Logic, Comp Arch
>10th
Real Analysis, Abstract Algebra
Stat Mechanic, Optics, Special Relativity
Data Structures and Algorithms
>11th
PDEs, Complex Analysis, Fourier Analysis
Quantum Mechanics
Numerical Analysis, OS, Parallel Programing
>12th
...

>>6103443
it'd be nice instead of having repeats

>calculus

ya dun goofed.

programming with a real language no foofoo pseudo-code bullshit.
world religions
class about careers, not picking them, but what the fuck they are, with basic problem solving in that career.
>>6103366
I like this. Statistics isn't well taught in high school.

Don't bother teaching Newton's laws without calculus. Just talk about general ideas about gravity, orbits, and electricity. No arbitrary plug and chug equations.

eliminate summer vacation.
>>6103443
why OS or parallel programming?

>>6103460
what?

>>6103460
calc=/=vector calc

>>6103405
>Symbolic logic from 1st grade
Most 1st graders aren't even close to the knowledge level needed for that. Maybe 5th grade would work.
>Computer programming from 1st grade
Useless until you know basic algebra, which won't happen until much later than 1st grade. Also non-STEM majors will never need to know standard programming.
>Second language from 1st grade.
This one is actually useful because of how the brain learns languages.

>>6103470
nice instead of having repeats.

During my school time, i think there was a repeat of algebra every fucking year.

the calculus comment was a joke

>>6103473
>why OS or parallel programming?

Because people should have an idea how their computers work in the large gap between computer architecture level and user land software. Parallel programming is just a natural segue from OS design and is useful in general.

>>6103510
Why not focus on transistor magic?
Gates, Op Amps, VReg, etc.
Or basic digital design buses, kmaps, etc.

Computer knowledge is always going to be abstracted somewhat.

>>6103366
>doing statistics without calculus
You went fullretard.

>>6103529
>Gates, Op Amps, VReg, etc.
>Or basic digital design buses, kmaps, etc.

I group that stuff in Digital Logic (9th grade)

>>6103419
Grinding students under insane workload isn't really a smart way to go about education. Tough I'd agree that from where I live the US' educational system looks like a lazy clusterfuck of nothings.

Also, most people in this thread seem to ignore that most kids need to repeat a lot without mastering something. There's no point in having people introduced to algrebra up to Galois correspondances before highschool when most of them will still be having trouble with elementary calculus. And you have to leave some room to others fileds as well.

Teach philosophy starting from 1st grade. Yes I said philosophy and I know that your gut reaction is to tell me to get the fuck out but follow me on this one.

Philosophy is intrinsically useful because the study of philosophy facilitates your ability to A: Reason logically, and B: think abstractedly and creatively. and it wouldn't be hard to implement

As it stands, school is a place you go to to get the creativity beaten out of you. We're not taught to think logically in schools, so you have a nation of college graduates who believe in ghosts and UFOs.

Philosophy, if nothing else, is useful as a tool to train people to think outside the box, and it wouldn't be hard to implement. Just include philosophy and logic as a part of the english curriculum, since philosophy is basically just english class with more emphasis on analyzing texts.

Take out mandatory foreign languages in high school, i've never met someone who took a foreign language class who could use the language in any real way unless they were already bilingual to begin with.

>>6103675
>There's no point in having people introduced to algrebra up to Galois correspondances before highschool

No one ever said that

>>6103665
there's the digital logic
and then there's the semiconductor magic

Operational amplifiers and Voltage regulators aren't digital.
Gates become digital but how do you build them?
and then the talk about material science of doped silicon and charge carriers.

I'd still like to see your thing implemented if only to see if anything you throw at them sticks.

>>6103443

You might want to learn a little bit about brain development.

I'd take out the requirement that English is mandatory after passing a certain test for proficiency and continuing to pass each year you take it. I didn't learn anything in English or improve my skills since eighth grade. Fill the rest with science and math. Honestly I'd go for the softer sciences as mandatory, ones that explain how the world works and only offer harder in depth courses as electives. A lot of basic science knowledge is missing in our general populous and teaching more of the basics would help bring the overall level up which allows more people to become interested and study further.

Economics and statistics are >relevant for day to day life and voting, they should get more focus.

I don't now about the US but we could certainly use the hours syntax gets for that and gain a lot.

>>6103721
Yeah but judging by >>6103443
we were heading toward there, each post being more demanding than the precedent. The kids that can handle elementary calculus before highschool are not so numerous, and I speak as a math nerd trained in a math-prone country, so I'm no apologist for laziness in science studies.

>>6103735
Transistor level circuit analysis is going too far into EE territory. It would make a good 12th grade elective course though.

>>6103736
That amount of work is not too unheard of compared to other non-America country. The pace only picks up around when they're 12, so their brains are more than enough developed for low level freshman university topics.

First, I'd ditch US imperial units for metric. Then start foreign language immersion as an early requirement, but later allow students to take extra math, or programming, classes to meet that requirement.

>>6103803
>I'd ditch US imperial units for metric

There's no point since they're equally illogical units (well the pound force and weight is slight more logical than the N and kg) and more logical units are hell to work with.

inb4 some retard claims 10^3x prefixes are somehow a metric only idea

>>6103775
If you trust a 16 year old with a 2300kg/5100lb killing machine traveling at 100km/h, you should be able to trust them to be able to understand baby Rudin and Abstract Algebra.

Personally, I'm fine with high school degrees ceasing to be an "everyone who's not a hopeless junkie gets one" degree and becoming a meaningful divide between the education level of those with from those without. College was never meant to be the only metric of whether a person was educated or not.

>>6103813
> well the pound force and weight is slight more logical than the N and kg
wat
I think you are forgetting lbf also implies slugs.