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The three Fates created the first five vowels of the alphabet and the letters **B and T**.
(с) Hyginus. Fabulae

>>6063177

С конечно тоже в полоску ([k]&[s]),
h в полоску потому что {аш}

w & y оставил неотмеченными, потому как они являются составными: vv & ij

>>6063181
предположительно потомок пентатоники (где b & t - бемоль и диез ( ↓ & ↑))
(собственно, пение - одна из немногих областей, где нужна точная запись звука)

>>6063177
Да фак?
Talk in English, хуй.

>>6063189
sorry, a bit busy, so just copypasted.
googletranslate (or i'll be back in an hour)

>>6063186
C was supposed to be striped in yellow-blue ([k]&[s]) %%but, i guess, originally blue & yellow were on the same side, the T site%%
w & y are left uncoloured for they are ligaturæ: vv & ij

>>6063187
(the alphabet is) supposedly the descendant of pentatonic scale (where B & T are bemol & diez ( ↓ & ↑))
(actually, singing is one of few fields where the certain transcription is required)

>>6063186
the second line:
h is striped because (it is named) {ʌʃ}
(at least in chess it is)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3z9cqMP08M

>>6063335
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCGveA39VYA

Great work. I fully understand.

>>6063301
>i guess, originally blue & yellow were on the same side, the T site
T = tongue now I wonder what does B mean (maybe it's Beak, Mouth, & if b=v=u, Usta, but then A~язык(АЗ=Я)

(изначально собирался вместо coronal написать lingual, но, сверившись с интернетиками, сделал как надо (ведь, в сущности и гортанные и "переднеязычные согласные" являются lingual: ведь "гортанные" делаются тоже языком (задней его частью)
Итого, через весь алфавит проходит противопоставление B & T, губных и язычных возможно, в этом есть и семантическое противопоставление, напр. поцелуй и сплёвывание сквозь зубы - и, как следствие "в" и "от", возможно V-звуки произносились на вдохе, тогда понятна связь семантики и фонетики в словах вроде "моё", "пить", "ням", так же как семантика слов "твоё", "течь", "дать"

>>6065578
T = tongue %%now I wonder what does B mean (maybe it's Beak, Mouth, & if b=v=u, Usta, but then A~язык(АЗ=Я) (usta = mouth (old style, poetic form), "язык" [yazыk] = "tongue" & "language" at the same time (like in "speaking in tongues"). Аз [az] - the old name for the first letter in kirillica (which is actually form of the alphabet, used even "before christ" (by kopts, for example) it is told to mean "I" (the personal pronoun, which today sounds as Я [ya], which is the english cognate the other way around%%

(first i was going to use the word "lingual" instead of "coronal", but after consulting the "dictionary" i did it right ('cause, actually, both "throattal"(velar) & "coronal" are "lingual": "velar" are made with tongue as well (with its dorsal part)
Thus over all the alphabet there're antitheses of B & T, labial & lingual, most probably there's semantic antithesis in it: [kiss]&[spitting through teeth] - then "в" [v] <in> & "от" [ot] <of, from>*
Probably V-sounds were pronounced at inhale, that clarifies the connection of semantics with phonetics in such words as "me", "пить" <to drink> (the to is put at the end of the word in russian & is supposedly means "деять" (to do, which makes "to" a cognate to "do")) [pitt](tt here means "soft" (a little palatalized) variant of t, the same transcription was used for nadsat), "ням" [nyam] <yummy> - as well as the phonosemantics of "твоё" (thine) "течь" ((to) flow) "дать" (to give)

*The using of F in English where in Russian is used T makes me think (not for the first time) that E-line is repeating the first one, only labial is exhaling (Fan, wind - it's quite obviously comprehensible without preknowing) - or it could mean the whole concept of "inhaling sounds" is wrong (but i found the idea useful, so i'll keep on rolling it in my mind)

You are a genius.

>>6063177
& it was not until yesterday (for i never arranged this table in colour before) that i've got why did J replaced M.
I've been long aware that M means Mother in the first place, with all the more complicated words that came after it. After learning a little bit of Chinese it's been found that every hyerogliph (they may be considered as roots) has one syllable in it (even if the diphthong is enormously eloquent) which is very much like letters sound (actually letters are often of few sillables: alpha, omega, vedi, dobro) - thus letters have to be miningful at the moment of their creation: to understand how the ancient people think I had to teach myself how they could think, so i had to study myself to the mystical thinking (even had to make myself believe in God for few hours (& had to get rid of it for few more))) even animal thinking, the reflectory one - so came My, Mommy, which is supposed to be sounding as voiced inhale with mouth shut (as a child would say to her mother & only mommy would understand (some how not considering it as a word))
I was amused by MM (which is how chinese write "mother") for some time now - over five years ago i was telling to Spaniards in Paris about the fact it's used so promptly in culture: Marylin Monroe, NIИ, Marylin Manson, MIkey Mouse, Mighty Mouse, MM in Tamala2010 & much more(wow, i didn't expect to use this locution)
%%Please, turn the spoilers on (i found them useful for making sentences more readable)%%
& the "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." makes sence when you recall what's the first word were. - yep, it seems the book is pretty ecclectic.
So it came obvious that J removed M just now & only a minute ago i've remembered the "Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi" proverb - yep, this dumb, Patriarchal Latins(?) stole this invention from some Mother-culture & removed the Mother with Jovi (is it the Jovi(Jupiter) is the same old Jhvh?)
>>6064964 >>6067245
Thank you/

>>6068097
> >>6065660

OP be trippin...

>>6068460
why did J replaced M

>>6068097
just in case

also now i'd say F is not double H, bvt double G (after all it is named digamma, which means double gamma)

What the fuck is going on in this thread

>>6068000
What the fuck

>>6069328
I have no idea but I'm enjoying it.

I almost feel like this is a puzzle, or there is some message in here.

>>6068000

>>6069339
What is the solution to the puzzle?

>>6068000
>for few hours
for few years (of course)
> why did J replaced M
why did J replace M
> miningful
meaningful
> some how
somehow
*slffx*

& the practical use of all this is getting us all to _understand_ any language, to reconstruct the underlying system it grew from the scratch: not to memorize all the long words, but to break them into short ones & to conceive it that way, like com-put-er or un-com-pre-hence-able (where "un" was supposedly a voiced inhale of different nature than in "my" (because it was pronounced with a different emotion) - another "inhale" (if the hypothesis of inhaling sounds is correct) is questioning words. (que, как, whtа, што)
So the task is to divide all complex words into simple ones (which are the letters & exist in every language, just pronounced differently like because of accents - actually Vossler considered accent the "soul of language" - the absurd notion used in linguistics before him & it seems it even didn't have no certain content before he juxtaposed it with the accent)

& not to forget the obvious "in" <в [V]> as the fourth group of "inhalas"

someone else digging in the same direction:
http://ru.scribd.com/doc/154567093/Encryption-and-Decryption-of-the-Alphabetical-Hieroglyphs

>>6070167
I thought this approach had been abandoned a long time ago for being considered pretty much impossible?

>>6071536
> impossible
This word ought to appear clothed in the garment of flawless argumentation (or else it shows nothing but dull arrogance of the speaker)

Why would google "cease finding" my page, though it did before with both oppic & the line "кана и пентатоника алфавита"
It's not as if i've been eaten up by my ego, but it seems my ego have eaten me long ago or (considering "ego" means "i" in Latin) it always was me

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THREAD?

>>6072276
cracking the origins of AlbaVita (or smth like that)

everytime i wonder "how can people not see it, are they this dumb!?" i have to remind myself i didn't get it for so long the paper got yellowish

>>6071536
check this out:
MOLOT (a (big) hammer)
MOLOT子 [molotok] (a (middle) hammer)
MOLOT子子 [molotoʧek] (a (small) hammer)
so in the latter word the first 子 palatalizes by the followin "Kid"-morpheme - it's conceivable so you don't have to memorize three words - just get one & the suffix you can use with many others. Also "molot" can be understood as something to mill (molott - & you probably already know that the -t suffix is the same to which you put in front of the word) - & i don't give a rat's ass what any etymologer thinks about it (it's useful that's all i care)

>>6072192

If you are Russian quite posting anime you are embarrassing us.

-Russian

>>6064688

>>6072891
what the FUCK is that gif

>>6072856
but you should be proud of me silly you (especially when you use japanese suffixes for genitive case and adjectives (no i'm not trying to prove russian comes from japanese, after all it's they went looking for the sun birth. no i'm not trying to prove they derive from russians as some nationalist trying to own common roots would do, i'm just fucking with you russian boy)

> fucking
i know it might be considered inappropriate in the scientific discussion, but don't you think ancient people thought alike? Then why would Ё stand where F does & why their number is SEX?

I'm quite aware that on'yomi & kun'yomi are officially from different origins but we are together as one.
Also there's 五 [go] <five> that looks like both G & 5 (though it looks more like Б & 6 but it wouldn't make any sense)
apophenia desu ka?

>>6073434
how is any of this thread scientific? shouldnt this be on lit or something

& not to forget many alphabets ended in whether X or T (10 is X in the West & 十 in the East (which is [to] in kun'yomi - think about it)
(after getting that "arabic script" is actually persian, not arabic - start to suspect chinese writing system is actually japanese - & that's where it's going real crazy)))
*>>6074312*

>>6074345
actually it's where linguistics come to the next level of scientific, researching the system & not what's been taught about it, speaking of which:
> In his book On the malice of Herodotus, Plutarch criticizes Herodotus for prejudice and misrepresentation. Furthermore, he argues that Gephyraei were Euboeans or Eretrians and he doubts the reliability of Herodotus' sources.
> As for Aristogeiton, Herodotus puts him not forth at the back door, but thrusts him directly out of the gate into Phoenicia, saying that he had his origins from the Gephyraei, and that the Gephyraei were not, as some think, Euboeans or Eretrians, but Phoenicians, as himself has learned by report.
> Plutarch and other ancient Greek writers credited the legendary Palamedes of Nauplion on Euboea with the invention of the supplementary letters not found in the original Phoenician alphabet.[8] The distinction between Eta and Epsilon and between Omega and Omicron, adopted in the Ionian standard, was traditionally attributed to Simonides of Ceos (556-469).

>Plutarch goes further back to describe an older Greek writing system, similar as he attested to the Egyptian writing. In his “Discourse Concerning Socrates’s Daemon”,[9] he describes how Agesilaus king of Sparta, uncovers Alcmene’s tomb at Haliartus and discovers a brazen plate on which a very ancient script was written, much older than the Ancient Greek alphabet. Agesilaus sent a transcript to Egypt in order to be translated back into Ancient Greek. Agetoridas the Spartan travelled to Memphis of Egypt and gave the transcript to Chonouphis the Egyptian priest. Some scholars speculate that this plate was written in Linear B.[10] Agesilaus’ decision to have text sent to Egypt is not unreasonable; it is widely accepted that Ancient Egyptians during the 4th century BC were able to translate to and from various other languages; they used three different writing systems within Egypt: hieroglyphic script, hieratic and demotic; this tradition continued during the Hellenistic period when all kinds of scripts were translated and copies were added to the library of Alexandria; one example today of a script written in three forms is the Rosetta Stone that appears in three texts: in ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs, in Egyptian demotic, and in ancient Greek. And therefore, as the story goes, the Egyptian priest, having studied the script and translated it, concluded that the writing enjoined the Greeks to institute games in honor of the Muses.

>>6074345
here's some more copypaste for you:
(& thank you for your concern)

Diodorus also slaps Herodotus pretty hard.


"But there are some who attribute the invention of letters to the Syrians, from whom the Phoenicians learned them and communicated them to the Greeks when they came with Cadmus into Europe; hence the Greeks called them Phoenician letters. To these that hold this opinion, it is answered that the Phoenicians were not the first that found out letters, but only changed the form and shape of them into other characters, which many afterwards using the name of Phoenicians grew to be common."

will bump with something raw i don't know what to do with yet

The universe makes sense now thanks to the OP.

>>6076296
I wonder what sense it is, hoping it's not religious one. Because it doesn't make no good to stick god in every little thing like the pic does with my little be-see-do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1te01rfEF0g

somebody teach a machine to think about it, for i'll bump a little with raw stuff like this & will be out in medicine cracking life&death secrets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2zgB93KANE

>>6078085
>cracking life&death secrets
for example what if we die because we are born into an agressive environment for we've been developed in liquid, but then our placenta is stolen from us & instead of moving to sterile tank & move on with all the blood cleansing & enriching machines we can afford today we are going like this

>>6063317
>where B & T are bemol & diez ( ↓ & ↑)
Bas & hauT
[ba] & [ot]
probably originally <in> & <out> (prefix b- means in- in hebrew & in russian it's в- (though it's pronounced as v, they also have со- [so] meaning the european co- [ko]; от- is off/out in russian)

>>6078114

Paranoid schizophrenia.
I'm not saying you have it.


but.....

At what point in your study of Russian did you realize you were going batshit insane?
Or are you a native Russian speaker and English made you nuts?

>>6078808 >>6078809
I would really appreciate you being a lil'bit more precise
*native russian speaker pleased with your not being able to say*

уМ [um] = intellect (Mind)
sounds pretty much like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ_QguAsVTA
My greetings to the Bohemian Grove)

also ancient i-e roots men & mysl (both relating to mind) start with M

though i woke up with "is knot related to note" for it seems related to know. Also knight=князь, which is знать(the word meaning both nobility & "to know")
Also ум is νοῦς where ν pretty much indicates inhale for me (we=мы[my](y pretty much as in body), but us=нас[nʌs])
& i don't try to say that russian is Mother-language as many freaks do (i'm pretty much freak myself alright) - it's just i'm watching from here, so it's the center for me - i'm pretty sure you can find yourself something supporting that english is Mother-language (be-see-do for example), which also would be an illusion - it's like the expanding universe (which also is illusory, 'cause it's we change in size due to gravitation or something like that). I'm pretty sure these guys made it right: http://cds.cern.ch/record/747130/files/34076006.pdf (though i can't read formulae & you don't read russian)

& now for something completely different:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1kXCh496U0
& don't believe christians tending to claim they invented every single writing system they didn't manage to eliminate.

>>6081030
As far as I know, no Christians claim that.

Current theory of the origins of writing says that writing was invented from scratch four times - in Mesopotamia, Egypt, China, and Mesoamerica, all four inventions significantly preceding the invention of Christianity. All currently extant writing systems descended from those, or were straight-up invented by some dude who saw other people writing and decided his language needed one of those.

So Christianity currently takes credit for essentially no currently existing writing systems. (Some writing systems were invented by Christians in the you-guys-should-have-an-alphabet form, but most of those were just based on the Greek and Latin writing systems.)

>>6063177
>Trying to map Latin characters 1:1 with phonemes

oh shit nigger what the fuck are you doing

>>6081091
Probably you don't know about Armenian, Georgian and Permic writing systems. Though scientists know that Cyrillic script is nothing much than Greek uncial, people are taught it's been invented by the guy who translated Bible into Russian, as for another writing system, Glagolica - oh, he invented that one too. Why would he invented something like that? You tell me. Picrelated - Permic script (in christian edition I guess) - claimed to be invented by christians, though it's been repeatedly reported Permic people had sophisticated writing culture long before Russians came there.

>>6081097
more like articulemes

have you even noticed
A Б Г Д
are pretty much
a b c d
turned 90 degrees

>>6082782
In such a context you may say the first two letters are christfags' fake. (not just those two of course)

Somehow I always considered glagolitsa letters were used for knitting, not writing (i seriously doubt any evidence would have remained, for it burns, it smolders, comes undone

leaving for offline for a couple of days so won't be able to keep the thread afloat. will get some weed & keep on delivering here: http://2ch.hk/sci/res/166772.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZGsRubkAwk