/sci/ - Science & Math

Follow the money.

Its all tori

http://aircrap.org/evergreen-aviation-admits-to-chemtrail-contracts-with-usaf/33619/

>>6049501
Tori?

>>6049508
The earths magnetic field is a torus, if we fuck it up it will influence our magnetic fields, which are also tori.

>>6049501
>>6049508
Yeah, fucking british conservatives putting sulphates in our skies.

>>6049515
>>6049520

Aye, I guess both are true.

It can be done. If it is possible create an artificial reef, i don't see how this isn't the same kind of thing.

On the plus side, it looks like it will take ages just to hit 2 degrees.

>>6049490
I don't understand this kind of logic actually.

Science has made things better generally speaking, so whats the problem?

>>6049496
The UN has no money. Earphones from 1960.

>>6049534
The problem is that humans are trying to engineer the global climate to ATTEMPT to slow down "Global Warming" (whether that is even a thing is rather disputable). I can only see this ending in a barren, poisoned and inhabitable world.

>>6049490
>Anyone got opinions on this?
Yes, I agree that it's utterly fucking retarded.

The only form of geoengineering I could agree with is a space based mirror/occluder mechanism, that way precise regulation of climate becomes possible down to the regional level. If too much occlusion starts to nucleate an ice age you could put the mirroring on max, the occluder on min, and rapidly clear the ice expanses.

>>6049490
we had a guy from Oxford university who came to our university to give a talk on global geoengineering to stop global warming.

I called him out repeatedly on his crap science, basing everything on models that cant even handle cloud cover constantly and constantly have to be revised for example.. in order to justify the preemptive and purposeful changing of the environment on the global scale..

I brought up other good intention examples like australia's cane toads, and finished it off by declaring that his incredible arrogance was probably a greater threat to the world than climate change.

even with the fact that most of the people who were there were solid greenies, i laid out the facts in a presentable manner such that i got a lot of support from the audience, at least as much as that they agreed that

a) nobody knows the exact cause or extent of global warming and

b) therefore, humanity should wait before geoengineering anything until we are far more certain of the effects.

was NOT popular with the bitch who invited him there, dont think i'll be getting a research position in her group any time soon.

>>6049490
Great Filter, here we come.

>>6049555
it isn't very disputable at all in the scientific community.
mostly just /sci/ disputes it.

>>6049490
Go back and live in a cave if you're scared of technology.

Was it a sortof more "political" talk to convince students of the well-foundedness of the approach?

Or was it a scientific talk, to actually teach you about the science of geoengineering? In which case you're way out of line.

>seriously believing this is the best we can do
Yeah, okay

>2013
>not believing its all a lie

People who actually think we are doing the best we can do... well... maybe for people like them.

>>6049606
Good job anon, we need people like you to save us all from the stupidity of some.

>>6049606
I am happy there are bright minds like you in the Uni's. It all seems to be just one big power and money project as so many others and it is the most dangerous one save for the Manhattan Project, and we saw how that ended...

>>6049761
>>6049787
>implying a /sci/ nerd has the balls to stand up for logic in a crowded theater

>>6049490
>>http://guardianlv.com/2013/09/arctic-ice-cap-growing-at-tremendous-rate/

The artic ice cap is growing at a tremendous rate with respect to the RECORD LOW it experienced last year. It's still the 6TH LOWEST its ever been.

>>Anyone got opinions on this?

It's solving the symptoms, but not the disease.

If we start geoengineering, we can't stop, if we stop suddenly, warming suddenly rebounds in a very short amount of time, which would be bad.

>>6049813
Right, but I think that "Global Warming" has been utterly overhyped by the "experts", yes the Earth is getting warmer, yes humans may just be partially responisble for that, but the universe is constantly changing and us trying to stop it from doing so by attempting to control a planet's climate is a little insane, in my opinion.

>>6049617
proof or leave, good sir.

Modern batteries were discovered by a uni researcher playing with dead frogs. He was using steel and bronze pins, which when overlaped caused the frog to spasm.

>>6049863
>>overhyped
The negatives outweigh the positives:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-positives-negatives-intermediate.htm
>>yes humans may just be partially responisble
As far as we can tell, humans are responsible

I am going to preempt any arguments you have about it being this sun with this:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm

>>us trying to stop it from doing so by attempting to control a planet's climate is a little insane,
I'll admit geoengineering is insane, but we are already modifying the planet's climate by putting more carbon into the atmosphere and we need to stop NOW.

>>6049890
> need to stop
Step one. Stop using ethanol in gas. The mpg loses offset the greenness
Step two. Instead of corn grow switchgrass. It grows twice as much in half the time.
Step three. Bury the switchgrass. Need to take carbon out of the cycle.

>>6049893
Again you're trying to solve the symptoms and not the disease.

>>6049863
The point is we're responsible, bruv.

>>6049890
>we need to stop NOW.
You're advocating genocide based on your ideology.

>>6049910
Wrong. Disease is we take carbon from ground and add it to atmosphere.

How is taking carbon fron atmosphere and adding it to the ground anything other than a cure.

>>6049930
There is no universal right or wrong. The fossil fuels we're using was once part of the active CO2 cycle.

And had we not been changing the climate through deforestation and agriculture, we would almost certainly have an ice age at our hands right now.

And no, an ice age is not just "oh a bit colder weather" an ice age is a catastrophic global glaciation event. Human civilization could very likely be wiped out by it, and at the very least set back thousands of years. Compared to that, global warming is absolutely nothing and much, much easier to adapt to. It can even be beneficial as wetter and warmer weather expands arable and habitable land area.

>>6049930
we can't do that at a high enough rate.

>>6049939
Too broad.

There is no right or wrong. So we need tokeep things simple. The complaint Iis we are adding to much carbon to the armosphere. The solution would be to remove carbon from the atmosphere.

Wether this leaves us hot or cold or dead, is not relevant.

>>6049941
Its doable. It wouldn't cost more than we are already spending in corn subsidies

>>6049942
>Wether this leaves us hot or cold or dead, is not relevant.
I suspected that you were an idiot, thanks for confirming.

>>6049606
So you're calling out the entire scientific profession and all of its governing bodies as useless? A - what are you doing here? B - if you are not a climate scientist, you're view is fucking worthless.

>>6049976
Just too far ahead of you mate.

beep boop am i kawai

>>6049986

>you're view
>you're

Well done, sir. Well done.

>>6049490
HAARP IS A REALITY