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Math notation is a mess. We need to start over and create a system that considers the totality of mathematics. Something so formal it can be read and validated for notational consistency by a program that adheres to some global math notation standard.

Ever see a prime and a superscript on the same symbol? That's hideous, I saw that for the last time today. We need to fix it.

>> No.6047383

>>6047377
>Ever see a prime and a superscript on the same symbol?
i dont think so

>> No.6047389

>>6047383
How about a comma next to subscript 1?

>> No.6047393

>>6047389
How about math is a language and we're pretentious enough to flaunt it.

>> No.6047468

>>6047383
actuarial symbols are flooded with that

>>6047377
In my opinion, I like the way as it is, it's beautiful. It's a language that is used by scientists and mathematicians and separates them from the uneducated.

Furthermore, Math was developed for hundreds of years, it has been established. You can't just try to convince everyone to change it because it's confusing. It's like trying to change the Mandarin language because the characters have so many strokes.

>> No.6047475

good at math but bad at clear writing.

All my symbols get confused...

>Unknown control exception intensifies

>>6047377
halp!

>> No.6047477

>>6047377
Why? Its more convenient to rely on context. Humans don't think like computers, and prioritising computers being able to read mathematics over humans being able to is a little fucking retarded.

>> No.6047512

>>6047477
>google search anything.. except math.. yeah that's real helpful

But i agree, even if we fixed it there would just be new symbols added arbitrarily over time, math is a language in development.

>> No.6047529

>>6047377
not exactly a fan of how calculus uses d so often
it seems like calculus would be important enough to warrant a new symbol in place of d

>> No.6047536

In my experience most mathematical professors/authors/sources are pretty good about explicitly writing out what they mean when they use potentially ambiguous notation (e.g is <span class="math">0 \in \mathbb{N}[/spoiler]?) In that case I don't care very much, it doesn't seem much different than styles of handwriting or a choice of cursive vs. print.

I usually only get annoyed when it's not made explicitly clear (which seems typical in things like physics/engineering) or when people get all pretentious about their style being correct so other stuff is wrong, e.g. I prefer to write ln instead of log.

>> No.6047576

>>6047377
>>6047377
learning to deal with different notations is one of the skills you need to do maths. It's certainly not a difficult one to pick up and trying to formalise it is incredibly short sighted and stupid. Don't be such a whiney bitch

>> No.6047603

>>6047536
>I usually only get annoyed when it's not made explicitly clear (which seems typical in things like physics/engineering) or when people get all pretentious about their style being correct so other stuff is wrong, e.g. I prefer to write ln instead of log.

I couldn't agree with you more. This is it.

>> No.6047609

>>6047529
I can't tell if you're trolling or retarded.

>> No.6047633

I just want the ridiculous inverse function notation removed. If sin^3(x) means the cube of sin(x), then sin^-1(x) should mean 1 / sin(x), not arcsin(x).

>> No.6047637

>>6047633
There's a reason we have cosec(x).
I know it's not a good reason, but it fixes that problem.

>> No.6047650

I also posted about this. I suggested using pseudo code, but was laughed all the way home for "herp derp computer science"

>> No.6047821

I disagree with this completely.

Having standards for every single thing will only elevate an illusion that symbols are somehow sacred.

If you want an example of this, simply look at all the idiots arguing over pi and tau.
They think a war is necessary between the two and can't just accept that they can use either one.
and they would probably shit bricks if I decided to use the symbol ω instead of pi, even if I clearly define it at the top.

>> No.6047883
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6047883

It is too hard to do; we generally do not fix what alredy works. The math symbols are only there to express the idea, use parentheses or footnotes if anything is vague. Introduce notation if you have to, refrain from it when you don't. Free market principles also somewhat decide what notation is used: for example, even if it took long, textual algebra was eventually replaced by symbolic algebra. Roman numerals by hindu-arabic numerals(even if it was a concept and not merely notation...).

>> No.6047894

>>6047883
I dont get this, the mom was on top and so they got the mailman as a child?

>> No.6047899

>>6047894
sin2 x + cos2 x = 1

>> No.6047902

>>6047894
Alex came home drunk one night, confused identities and had sex with the child.

>> No.6047911

>>6047902
He thought it was just "Her time of the month."

But x did not equal n*pi, for integer n, that day.

>> No.6047914

>>6047899
>binary operator for reproduction is addition
everyone knows its multiplication.

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6047918

>>6047377
>mfw indecies on indecies on subscripts with superscripts

>> No.6047924

I'm terribly fussed over the profusion of brackets. Nearly everything has to be enclosed in brackets to make the notation explicit. That's of course just because most applications don't take real notation as input. But it bothers me. It so does. It bothers and flusters.

>> No.6047936

the derivative of the complex conjugate of a vector which is the result of a tensors contraction with the gamma matrices, labeled by a subscript:
<div class="math"> {\vec{A\!\!\!/\ _i}^*}'</div>

>> No.6047993

>>6047911
this is kinda stupid, but lol..

>> No.6049357

"*" and "^{x}" are disasters. Why the fuck, when we have "+"?! Instead of a*b we would have simple a+a+a+...+a (b times) and a^b would be just a+a+a+...+a (a+a+a+...+a (a times) b times). It also looks more intuitive and convincing.

>> No.6049378

>>6049357
so how do you write sqrt(2)?

>> No.6049897

>>6049378
He was being sarcastic you dipwit.

>> No.6049905

>>6049378
I didn't said nothing bout roots. Them, I think, we are abliged to keep.