/sci/ - Science & Math

If you have to believe in them, it's not scientific.

>>5998341
You don't have to believe gravity either. Doesn't mean it's not real.

>>5998329
I don't believe they visited here, but I believe somewhere far far away there is some planet with life still either on early evolution or not advanced like us.

One thing that bothers me is why is nature a thing?

>>5998351
Imagine how amazing it would be if we're alone in the universe. The fact of the matter is that, if other lifeforms exists in other stars, they'll never know about us, we'll cease to exist before.

>>5998351
What if that civilization is 10,000 more advanced than us? That's very probable beacuse 10,000 is not a lot of time. It would be safe to assume they have found a way to produced large amounts of energy. It would be safe to assume that they have found a way to travel faster than light. Denying either of these means that you believe that current knowledge of science and math is almost complete, which suborn scientists have been thinking since the dawn of civilization, making it hard for people like Einstein to think differently. Anyways, life really is rare and it's very safe to assume that they would be monitoring it like we do with endangerd species.


That not why I belive that they have visited earth though. There is real/undeniable evidence for it.

You mean goo in the corner of some planet or aliens raping hicks.

>>5998359
>travel faster than light
We're talking physics laws here. A photon has the ability to travel that fast, whereas an atom hasn't. Unless teleportation is a thing through entanglement, no faster speeds can be achieved.

On the other hand, nature is a psychedelic world. I imagine an alien planet would be as random and as weird as ours, but the probability of it being like ours is very very small. This is why I hate alien related movies.

>>5998364
Multiple alien species visiting earth. Pre WW2 accounts are open to speculation but after we set of the nukes there has been a ton of credible and non-contradicting evidence. There has also been mis information but its easy to distinguish from the real stuff.

>>5998329
>Don't believe in them? Then go to another thread

Sounds like you want an echochamber instead of a scientific discussion of aliens. Go back to reddit.

>>5998368
100 years ago we didn't even know what a photon was.

>>5998377
And today we know what a photon is, and we know the basic laws of an atom. And guess what, these things build our reality, and have laws. Just because you can use your imagination to ask something outside the box, doesn't mean its always true.

>>5998376
>then go to another thread

You need to learn to listen.

>>5998381
What causes gravity? What is dark matter?

>today we are going to have a scientific debate about koran
>if you are not a muslim go away

That is basically what you just said, op.

>>5998392
I never said "debate".

/sci/ doesn't have much believers when there are ones, they no what's what.

>>5998388
Graviton causes gravity, and the dark matter is made of antimatter, everybody knows that.

>>5998393

Gravity is merely a propagation of energy beyond the electron shell. Similar but different than magnetism, there are certain substances which will allow this under the right circumstances.

>>5998385
>Sounds like you want an echochamber instead of a scientific discussion of aliens.

He's right you know.

>>5998359
Its quite unlikely that humanlike life exists. Its even more unlikely that they advance through geniousness to further than stone. Even more more unlikely that they advance to energy consuming for example electricity.

We just got the best dice roll mate.

>>5998351
Nature is everything. Everything is based on nature, imo nature is only "god" there is.

>>5998329
Aliens probably exist, they are bacteria, not advanced or anything. (there are some plants also and bugs also, nothing like mammals though)

>>5998355
We will develope immortality within this century, we will be able to conquer whole universe within 1k years. Im not guessing, its just common sense if you follow most furthest science researches.

How did he get here?

>>5998522

What does he want?

>>5998523

He Wants Seeehhhx

I believe the existence of extraterrestrial life somewhere in the universe is as likely as intelligent lifeforms having visited us is unlikely.

>>5998329
>Scientific discussion in this thread
>But no scientific discussion allowed in this thread
Brilliant!

>odds of them existing
High

>odds they've got FTL and have visited and hurr /x/
Low

>thinking aliens need FTL to travel here

Even on earth there are several species that are functionally immortal, alien physiology (or just good old fashioned genetic manipulation) could make time a non-issue, allowing to travel here under the speed of light

Another way is moving the universe around the ship, drawing a blank on what that theory is called but it'd allow us to bypass the no going over the speed of light rule

You also have to consider the fact that we're constantly learning new sruff andcit's stupid-bordering-on-arrogant to say "X can't be done" when we know so little

I'm not saying aliens have visited us, I'm just saying it's stupid to dismiss it as impossible.

Could you please show me an alien?
If you want a "scientific" discussion, you surely have some observational evidence, don't you?

Look folks, about the only thing that differentiates Sol from the rest of the G-type stars is that it's unusually stable. The Kepler probe proved that.

Other than our unusually stable sun, there's nothing else about Sol or Earth that makes them unique in the universe. There should be plenty of Sols and Sol-like stars, orbited by Earths or Earth-like planets. That being the case, it's altogether likely that life has arisen elsewhere in the universe, even in this galaxy. We use the Drake Equation to get some idea of the range of likelihoods.

>>5998813
>Drake Equation

Please learn probability theory on a level higher than elementary school and stop promoting this anti-intellectual nonsense joke.

>>5998818

It's a simplistic notion but still useful therefore.

Sorry to see that you don't understand that. If you did, you'd provide a critical alternative. Go back to your buzzwords, troll.

>>5998825
>useful
A mathematically horrendously flawed equation for which you don't even have values to plug in is not useful at all.

>you'd provide a critical alternative
Since you are promoting ignorance every 12 year old is supposed to be able to correct, I don't see any point in attempting to explain the basics of probability theory to you. You are either trolling or you don't even know the definition of a probability space and you refuse to look it up. Please stop talking out of your uneducated ass and stop polluting our science and math board with illiteracy and incapacity.

>>5998832

Of course I have values. I plug reasonable guesses into the DE all the time. Are you mental?

> I don't see any point in attempting to explain the basics of probability theory to you.

In other words, you got nothing. That why my use of the Drake Equation continues to be valid, and why you're in the trollbin of history.

End game: Explain your tools in detail or SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH.

>>5998838
Do you know what a probability space is? Please answer with a "yes" or "no".

>>5998329

Want to talk about aliens? Go to another board.

>>>/x/

>>5998841

Show your work or SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I have useful answers from my calculations which just happen to not need to delve into probability spaces. BUT YOU HAVE NOTHING. Nothing but your cock-gathering mouth.

Here's a probability: There's a 99% chance with 95% confidence that you'll keep posting WITHOUT SHOWING YOUR NUMBERS. That's a long-winded way of saying that "you've got nothing".

>>5998341
>hurr durr what are open theories??

so tell me anon, do you believe the copenhagen interpretation, or the ensemble interpretation, or perhaps the instrumentalist interpretation of QM? Or does QM just not exist??

>>5998851
I'll take that as a "no". So you don't know what a probability space is. Are you interested in learning the basics of probability theory? Or do you want to continue dwelling in ignorance and staining our board with anti-intellectualism? I mean you should have learned the definition of a measure space in middle school (or high school if you happen to be an americlap). But it's never too late to learn. Do you at least know what a sigma-algebra is?

>>5998851
You need to leave this board, you are a fucking moron

>>5998862
The math in QM works and the predictions have been experimentally verified. That's all we need in science. Untestable philosophical interpretations are for pop sci teenagers who are too uneducated to understand the math.

>>5998851
>thinks he can do probability calculations
>without knowing what a probability space is

toppest of all lels

>>5998872
>Untestable philosophical interpretations
Confirmed for pseudointellectual. The copenhagen interpretation is not a philosophical but a scientific interpretation.

Well, I thought there were other belivers but apperebtly I'm the only one. You goys want proof? Fine.


Here a list of undeniable ufo sightings(news flash, it wasn't government planes, we done posses the technology to make 90 degree turns in mid air)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/6041498/UFO-Files-top-10-UFO-sightings.html


Here some food for thought about the great pyramid.

Keep in mind that these are facts.

http://www.ancient-code.com/25-facts-about-the-great-pyramid-of-giza/


The pic is from the Phoenix lights incident. Even the former governor came out about it. Flares? Nope.
There's a shitton of other evidence but you people always dismiss it as rednecks mistaking airplanes for ufo despite the fact that most of these sightings are from poilets and government officials.

It's alright though, even if you people believed it would change anything

>>5998963
Oh and speculating wether or not aliens have been visiting us by using internal logic is the lowest form of debate. Instead of looking at the actually evidence you people assume that it's impossible to travel ftl beacuse apparently there's not much discoveries left in science. That's a horrible attitude for STEM fags. You're ignoring facts beacuse it doesn't fit into your world view, so you formulate your opinion without giving it a second thought. Not even a first thought.

No successful inventor/scientist made their discovery by acting like that.

>>5998851
One thing I don't understand about the Drake equation, is that people seem to forget that we simply don't know. I mean, what are the chances that life develops on a planet which is the same size, distance from it's star, etc. as the Earth? 100%? 50%? 1%? We simply have nothing to compare it to.

>>5998971
And how about doing your own fucking research? Go on google and type in "proof of UFOs" or "proof of aliens". Then go on youtube and watch some documentaries.

After you finish, type to find someone to debunk the stuff you just seen.

SPOILER ALTERT: you won't find anything.

>>5998963
Please, leave.

>>5998851
HAHAHAHA

>>5998963
>Here is a list of undeniable
No such thing as undeniable.
>It wasn't government planes
You don't know that, nor would you know the technology they posses.
My father flew during the cold war and he told me that they saw a flying saucer out of their window while flying over the Mediterranean. He did not for one second entertain the idea of it being extraterrestrial. He said it was just an aircraft the US and tested in that area. The general public has no idea what the military is developing and do not act like you do.

>>5998381
>And today we know what a photon is

Cool.... then what is it?

>>5998989
Yes I do. There are countless high ranking government officials coming out about aliens.

I didn't remember each ad ever one but one person that comes to mind is Britons minister of defense( worked there for 20 years.

If it was man made, then it's definitely not the US. Nor Russia. Not Britain.

>>5999000
U miring my trips of truth?


How can they keep it a secret?
130,000 people worked on the manhattan project. It's all about a need to know basis.

Why would the government keep this a secret?

Pretend le aliums come here. They share technology and ideas.
That's it for the military complex, no one has to fight for oil anymore. That's it for the energy companies(which is the most profitable buissnes in human history). That's it for all religions.

Why haven't the aliens just landed I the White House and helped us. They could easily overpower our military.


Maybe it has something to do with us sending fighter poilets after them everytime they entered earths atmosphere. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that human have been manipulated to fight wars for causes that don't begin it them at all. Maybe it has something to do with non intervention. When biologists study animals, they hide behind bushes. If a loin is about to kill a baby deer, they don't help it. They film it.

I don't have all the answers but that doesn't mean I'm gonna ignore the facts.

>>5998329
Alien thread on /sci/? I hope you don't mind a little fruitful linkspam.

>Media warming to the Idea of Aliens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lng0-lO-Z8&list=PLC4B07EA3F274C614&index=38

>Canadian Minister of Defence talks about UFO's aliens and his knowledge of a cover up (designed to maintain the ologopoly of power/energy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGyFWyNuF3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Qi2Xpp1zI

>MSNBC News UFO Former Minister of Defence and Deputy P M of Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwEyLb1JEpc

>Former Canadian Defense Minister Declares 2 Live ETs Working With US Government!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgYooiWEqT8

>UFOs - FOX News - Mexican Air Force - CNN News - OVNIs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDOOZ_IPb6Y

>>5999051


>Disclosure Conference, National Press Club 27 Sept 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtmpaM0PqyI

>ET/UFO Disclosure | New Zealand releases UFO government files | December 22, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15VBvZbuU6I&list=PLC4B07EA3F274C614&index=6

>BBC ~ Disclosure ~ U.K. Releases 8K Classified UFO Documents 3-3-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryh4i8Qfunc&list=PLC4B07EA3F274C614

>South American UFO disclosure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojyP88bY61I

>UFO Disclosure In Russia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOeXWNW7OkE

>Scientific UFO Evidence in Norway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzI3s7V5DKU&list=PLC4B07EA3F274C614&index=4

>>5999050

>Astronaut Leroy Gordon Cooper talks about the UFO reality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBZXkfgEABs

>Mars Monolith - Buzz Aldrin Confirms Phobos Structure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaiSfn8jlxY

>NEWS REPORT - Russian Cosmonaut UFO ALIEN DISCLOSURE 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbK7QflF1l8

>Triangle UFO Sighting by Russian Cosmonaut Pavel Popovitch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1cGQ2rk6T8


>Brit commercial pilot talks about a confirmed UFO sighting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw_DNHEvwck

>>5999053


>UFO Shuts Down Airport In China
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL5TrNmva6k

>Airport in Mongolia China Shut Down on Sept 11, 2010, Similar to June Airport UFO Sighting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8AvHDYe9bI

>UFO Over Chinese Airport Causes Officials To Shut Down Airport On Aug 17, 2011 UFO Sighting News.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJk9f25nmI4

>Lary King Live military ufo interview (only linking part 1 of 6, click on to the others if interested)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwKDjq3ZHdQ&list=PLC4B07EA3F274C614&index=13

>MSNBC News 1942 U.F.O. The Real Battle of Los Angeles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe0_wbVYIQ0&list=PLC4B07EA3F274C614&index=21

>Turkey UFO Clearly Shows Aliens - Dr Roger Leir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U14Ji_skYwQ

>>5999054

>Russian Phobos mission lost due to ufo, female cosmonaut shows last photo taken during the mission featured a UFO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_x68J3tZjY

>UFO History - Japanese Airline Flight 1628 Followed by Huge UFOs Over Alaska
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4BMI0R1bj4

>Russians Polits Chase Cigar UFO (Recorded from Cockpit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftmc3_RmCjs

>Alien Implant Research
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnsq1BgvmO4

>an astronaut talking to Houston about a spinning metallic disk that had been following them. Pretty funny.
>Daft Punk -- Contact with lyrics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IX_hvrNB9M

>>5999055

>Secret NASA Transmissions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITH3gwccX0A

>Former CIA Agent on his Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03jZEkTCSRI

>disclosure project
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

>ET Disclosure Press Conference - National Press Club - Washington, DC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDZIEKEpOy8

>Extraterrestrial Reality UFO Disclosure Citizen Hearing Full April 30 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy_juuWhUho

>Ex Psi op for the US gov Ingo Swan speaks on being asked to view the dark side of the moon, sees structures and people
http://archive.org/stream/PenetrationTheQuestionOfExtraterrestrialAndHumanTelepathy/Penetration_Ingo_Swann#page/n3/mode/1up

>>5999058

>THRIVE - Planet Earth: Secret Reality Documentary (2012)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLEOPKDRV8A&list=PLC4B07EA3F274C614&index=27

>The Secret Construction Of The Pyramids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjEytiaL5Yc

>NASA's Apollo DSE "Black Box" Transcripts - revealing the unscripted truth about the Moon (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qM3xOu9HRU

>NASA U.F.O FOOTAGE (FULL VERSION) by Equalification
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8njYpyAkMp8

>Japan space agency announces proof of civilization on earth's moon
http://www.examiner.com/article/japan-space-agency-announces-proof-of-civilization-on-earth-s-moon

>Alien Structures on the Moon. NASA Cover Up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2qaZFC2PtM

>>5999060

>Orb UFO Hovers Over Fresno, California For Four Hours! May 15, 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JxlS8OosYU

>NASA Scientist Says Warp Drive is Doable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwZt1Yh4-1U

(warning, Sketchy)
>UFO Sighting - Phil Schneider secret Underground base in Dulce, NM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycXBliDApO0

(warning, Sketchy)
>Phil Schneider - D.U.M.B.S (Underground Bases, Alien Greys, New World Order) HQ FULL LENGTH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf7vLXf5bNo

>China probes far side of moon and claims to have evidence of habitation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHZJrwyzXp0

>Texas UFO Radar Data
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjHTCaucuYs

>>5999067
(warning, Sketchy)
>The Bob Lazar Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igUMDICqTpQ

>Aviation Pioneer Sees UFO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C2A2HEK5rU

>Another Pilot UFO testimony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwja_qsDM0k

>UFO Captured By Pilot On Film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEG05nk6bV8

>Pilot Ordered To Shoot-Down UFO Over UK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VgGt99gmeA

>>5999050
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>>5999070
Should last you a day or two

http://pastebin.com/m0yrzyaZ

>>5999060
>THRIVE
lost all credibility there.

>>5999080
Have you ever seen it? I said the same thing before I did. I thought it was about some spiritual BS.

>>5999080
>>5999110

I liked it but I understand there's some sketchy stuff linked up there. If I were you I wouldn't let a few sketchy videos stop me from enjoying the more credible evidence nearby. Not all of the videos linked are of the same class.

>>5999121
>Anonymous
Sketchy stuff? Like what? If I'm remembering it right, they told the truth about everything.

Also, I recommend you ignorant faggots read "Finger Prints of the Gods". It not about aliens or gods, it's about ancient human history.

>>5999051
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>>5999070

Man I went through those trying to find something good. All those videos were such shit.

How does anyone believe in this crap?

>>5999110
yes, ive watched it 3 times now for entertainment proposes.

>>5998978

Are you really this fucking retarded? The Drake Equation is a tool. It can be used to test the bounds of your guesses. It gives you some idea of how much or how little. Data tends to improve over time. For example, we have a much better idea now how often solar systems form with planets.

>>5999136
nice b8 m8

Thousands of hours of radar recordings complimented by pilot sightings = bollocks

Thousands of military confirming cover up for national security = bollocks for sure

Ex congress admit it's clear if they go near the subject their jobs would be in danger = bullshit

Astronauts and cosmonauts talking about structures in space, being tailed by craft, and not being able to talk about it while being recorded during the missions= they just want to sell books obviously

Canadian Minister of Defense talking about the cover up and how the United States would come over the border to pick up downed UFOs= That old idiot has lost his marbles

Governments all around the world releasing tens of thousands of once classified ufo documents that go into detail on craft that they've yet to explain= They're definitely our secret craft

Same phenomena has been going on in sightings since before we thought flight was possible= mass hallucinations and swamp gas

You're right what was I thinking.

>>5998519
>We will develope immortality within this century

keep dreaming.

>>5999164
one of the main factors, the probability of self-destruction, is totally unknowable, an absolutely random guess. sagan gave it us something like a 1/M chance of survival. ridiculous.

>>5999170
It's just swamp gas. Get that through your head. The government said so. You think you know more than the government?

>>5998329
They probably have not visited us, but I think that they probably do exist; it is a very big universe.

Some of the stories are quite interesting though.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18690_5-ufo-sightings-that-even-non-crazy-people-find-creepy.html

>>5999171

Computers already exist

It's all a matter of copying the data on your brain there

>>5999184

Fair enough, and I only use the first 4 factors of the Drake Equation, since they're the ones best known and most pertinent for what I'm looking for: Life in the universe, regardless of form, capability and span.

1: R* = avg number of star formation per year in our galaxy
2: fp = fraction that have planets
3: ne = fraction that can support life
4: fl = fraction that DO develop life

You can see immediately that even for pessimistic, low numbers for your guesses, over billions of years, we end up with a lot of worlds with life on them.

Hence (pessimistic):

R* x fp x ne x fl
7 x 0.9 x 0.05 x 0.05
= 0.016 life-bearing planets per year
= 1 life-bearing planet every 64 years
= 1.6 M life-bearing planets every 100M years
= 72 M life-bearing planets while Earth exists

>>5999576
>pulling random numbers out of your ass without any observational evidence

What's next? Are you gonna tell us how scientific astrology is?

>>5999581

They're guesses. I've already admitted that. But they're educated guesses. Ongoing research has established the 7-stars-a-year number. The Kepler probe among other observatories have established that almost all stars have systems. The two other numbers are guesses, but again educated ones based upon observations and our own solar system. Don't like those? Then choose more pessimistic numbers. You still arrive at a large number of life-harboring planets in the galaxy over geological time scales.

That's the way to bet, therefore.

Now get lost, rube. The idea that you can't make decisions on incomplete information is the hallmark of some little 14-yr-old idiot (you) in front of his porn machine. Information itself is by definition *incomplete*. Shades of grey dominate ADULT thinking. You'll find out once you start growing pubic hair.

>>5999623
Doesn't matter how much life bearing planets there are. The fact is that ETs are visiting earth.

>>5999623
>But they're educated guesses
No, they are just mindless drivel. Why do you keep spreading ignorant garbage even though you already admitted not having any understanding of probability or statistics on any level higher than 3rd grade primary school?

>ADULT thinking
Surely you are a master of "adult thinking", given the fact that you're an unemployed and unmarried loser older than 40 whose only enjoyment in life consists of debating teenagers on a meme forum.

>>5999807
What does probability have to do with aliens? You can't use it when discussing them its irrelevant. You want to debunk them that attack the evidence that was posted.

>>6000065
VSG was talking about probability and pulling numbers out of his fat ass even though he previously admitted not even knowing the definition of a probability space.

>>5998963
If you would have bothered to do ANY research into the claim, you would have found that the lights are actually flares. The reason they "Went off" after awhile is because they fell behind a mountain that you can't see in the background. They actually went to the guy who filmed this and asked to film it in the same place during the day with the same camera, and guess what? The mountain is aligned perfectly to where it would explain why the flares disappeared in the order they did. Also there are no videos from any other angle, they're always shot in the same direction. Next time you want to insist something to be true, fucking research it. God damn people coming on here thinking they're going to make the scientific community have some revelation that aliens visited us are fucking annoying.

>>6000653
Also go the fuck back to /x/, And don't come here again until you realise that science is about what is, not what we would like there to be.

If intelligent life is at all common or even just rare... where is it? Why are we here? Even without FTL we could colonize every start in the galaxy in only tens of millions of years. The galaxy is many times older than that. So... why hasn't the Earth been long since colonized? Why can't we detect anybody out there?

Personally, I think intelligent life is probably rare enough that it doesn't arise more than once in any given galaxy, much less become interstellar.

>>5998963
>these are facts

>>6000657

>quantum theory
>dark matter

all unconfirmed.

>>6000653
>They actually went to the guy who filmed this and asked to film it in the same place during the day with the same camera,

>Officials at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Ariz., would report that no military maneuvers were taking place that night at the Barry M. Goldwater Range to the west. (Air Force officials would change their story two months later, saying the person on duty that night failed to look at the proper logbook.)

>The lights were flares, said the Air National Guard, dropped during nighttime exercises at the Barry M. Goldwater Range.

>That's what they were, insists Lt. Col. Ed Jones, who piloted one of the four A-10s in the squadron that he says launched the flares.

Jones, in his first interview with the news media concerning the night 10 years ago, says he can't believe a decision to eject a few leftover flares turned into a UFO furor that continues to this day.

>He now is assistant director of operations for the 104th Fighter Squadron of the Maryland National Guard.

Where does it say that he "recorded it while flying" or that he "reproduced the effect"? Source or you're just plain lying.

If you've seen the video of the Phoenix lights, they are not descending at all. They are hovering. Video analysis has also proven conclusively that the lights in the Phoenix Lights videos, from different sources and angles, are not the same luminescence videos taken of night time flares. Anyone who saw this most recent flare drop around Feb 6th also saw how dramatically different these were from the Phoenix Lights array. They were distinctly flickering, golden or amber colored lights which fell at different heights (staggered) and smoke was clearly visible rising from them, illuminated by the flares themselves. Flares also do not cause people to see an enormous V-shaped object, among other unidentified objects, obscuring the starry sky, as many reported earlier that evening of March 1997.

>>6000680
The universe is about 14 billion years old, the earth about 4 billion and human civilisation is maybe 300,000 years old. Humans have had the ability to detect things far off in space for about 100 years.
The universe is so UNBELIEVABLY MASSIVE and we've been here for such a brief fraction of that time that even if aliens looked at our planet the odds of them spotting us are tiny.
http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1klhim/cmv_i_believe_an_alien_spacecraft_landed_at/cbq9z68?context=3
Its a bit long but it addresses most of your questions.

>>5998329
>"scientific" discussion of something with no evidence of existence

>>6000720
But anon, how can you not believe when you are provided with made-up "facts" and completely wrong science references?

>>5999576
That's all based on the existence of earth/humans, an assumption which suffers from observation bias.

If 1/8 planets didn't have intelligent life nobody would be around to ponder a "drake equation."

The fact is there's only one data point for a planet with life. We cannot draw any meaningful conclusion from just one point.

>>6000685
Quantum Theory has evidence supporting it. You can do tests that show results and quantum physics was developed as an attempt to explain those phenomena, which it does with high accuracy just not 100% accuracy which is why we need to perfect it. However we do know there is a quantum level of existence beyond the atomic level, and it has been confirmed numerous times. There may even be a sub-quantum level but there is no evidence of it.

Dark matter is the name we gave to a phenomena thats cause has not yet been discovered but we know is there because we can make observations consistently of it's effects. We know virtually nothing about it, just that it's there.

In addition I think you got quantum theory screwed up with string theory. Which as of now is truly unproven. However the discovery of the higgs boson has helped credit it as it was hypothesized before it's discovery thanks to scientists like higgs.

Also don't fucking confuse string theory and the multiverse theory. The multiverse theory has almost no evidence supporting it, and is often confused for string theory.

Now go the fuck back to /x/ bitch!

>>6000657
Quantum Theory has evidence supporting it. You can do tests that show results and quantum physics was developed as an attempt to explain those phenomena, which it does with high accuracy just not 100% accuracy which is why we need to perfect it. However we do know there is a quantum level of existence beyond the atomic level, and it has been confirmed numerous times. There may even be a sub-quantum level but there is no evidence of it.

Dark matter is the name we gave to a phenomena thats cause has not yet been discovered but we know is there because we can make observations consistently of it's effects. We know virtually nothing about it, just that it's there.

In addition I think you got quantum theory screwed up with string theory. Which as of now is truly unproven. However the discovery of the higgs boson has helped credit it as it was hypothesized before it's discovery thanks to scientists like higgs.

Also don't fucking confuse string theory and the multiverse theory. The multiverse theory has almost no evidence supporting it, and is often confused for string theory.

Now go the fuck back to /x/!

>>6000685
Quantum Theory has evidence supporting it. You can do tests that show results and quantum physics was developed as an attempt to explain those phenomena, which it does with high accuracy just not 100% accuracy which is why we need to perfect it. However we do know there is a quantum level of existence beyond the atomic level, and it has been confirmed numerous times. There may even be a sub-quantum level but there is no evidence of it.

Dark matter is the name we gave to a phenomena thats cause has not yet been discovered but we know is there because we can make observations consistently of it's effects. We know virtually nothing about it, just that it's there.

In addition I think you got quantum theory screwed up with string theory. Which as of now is truly unproven. However the discovery of the higgs boson has helped credit it as it was hypothesized before it's discovery thanks to scientists like higgs.

Also don't fucking confuse string theory and the multiverse theory. The multiverse theory has almost no evidence supporting it, and is often confused for string theory.

Now go the fuck back to /x/!