/sci/ - Science & Math

>>5965885

Muh aliens

Muh erik van daniken

Muh crazy haur greek guy

>>5965889
I never said it was aliums, it might be that they were really advanced.

Two words.

Coral castle.

no evidence of aliens having had visited earth. Ancient aliens is a bullshit show. I forget what it was called, but it was a 3 hour video I watched which debunked every single one of the "muh aliens" faggots' arguments.

im seriuosly not watching a 100 minute video to see how much of an idiot people are who invest that much time in bullshit "muh aliens" films

>>5965937
>>5965946


It has nothing to do with aliens, they don't even mention them. You goyems go out of your way to be ignorant.

>>5965946
well It was good for me because I had learned about every single historical event they talk about. It was comical to see exactly how these anciet aliens guys will just blantanly lie

OP, theory is pure bullshit.

I recommend easy to read book filled with detailed illustrations describing how the pyramids were built.

The book is called 'Pyramid' by David Macaulay

>>5965954
muh im so ignorant because I dont watch a 100 minute film to answer some faggot /sci/ visitor his childish questions

>>5965937
It's not the "Ancient aliens" show

>>5965889
Wow so people do this on /sci/ too?
>>5965937
I'll bomb this thread just for you.
>>5965946
It's a good watch even if you aren't in to aliens.

>>5965956
You're beyond stupid.

im not really paying attention to this thread, but im making someone mad? good

>>5965961
So you believe they laid a brick weighing several tons perfectly every 2 minutes non stop for 22 years?

seriously what kind of technology would someone need to put one stone on another?

>>5965966
Summers almost over

>>5965965
im sure you're in any position to judge it

Egyptians were more advanced than we thought, I guess. No alien bullshit.

>>5965970
It’s more about putting one very heavy huge stone on top of a big house’s worth of other very heavy huge stones

>>5965937

AWAKEN


>Media warming to the Idea of Aliens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lng0-lO-Z8&list=PLC4B07EA3F274C614&index=38

>Canadian Minister of Defence talks about UFO's aliens and his knowledge of a cover up (designed to maintain the ologopoly of power/energy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGyFWyNuF3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Qi2Xpp1zI

>MSNBC News UFO Former Minister of Defence and Deputy P M of Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwEyLb1JEpc

>Former Canadian Defense Minister Declares 2 Live ETs Working With US Government!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgYooiWEqT8

>UFOs - FOX News - Mexican Air Force - CNN News - OVNIs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDOOZ_IPb6Y

>>5965975
>>>/x/

>>5965975


>Astronaut Leroy Gordon Cooper talks about the UFO reality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBZXkfgEABs

>Mars Monolith - Buzz Aldrin Confirms Phobos Structure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaiSfn8jlxY

>NEWS REPORT - Russian Cosmonaut UFO ALIEN DISCLOSURE 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbK7QflF1l8

>Triangle UFO Sighting by Russian Cosmonaut Pavel Popovitch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1cGQ2rk6T8


>Brit commercial pilot talks about a confirmed UFO sighting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw_DNHEvwck

>>5965978


>Disclosure Conference, National Press Club 27 Sept 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtmpaM0PqyI

>ET/UFO Disclosure | New Zealand releases UFO government files | December 22, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15VBvZbuU6I&list=PLC4B07EA3F274C614&index=6

>BBC ~ Disclosure ~ U.K. Releases 8K Classified UFO Documents 3-3-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryh4i8Qfunc&list=PLC4B07EA3F274C614

>South American UFO disclosure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojyP88bY61I

>UFO Disclosure In Russia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOeXWNW7OkE

>Scientific UFO Evidence in Norway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzI3s7V5DKU&list=PLC4B07EA3F274C614&index=4

>>5965980

>UFO Shuts Down Airport In China
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL5TrNmva6k

>Airport in Mongolia China Shut Down on Sept 11, 2010, Similar to June Airport UFO Sighting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8AvHDYe9bI

>UFO Over Chinese Airport Causes Officials To Shut Down Airport On Aug 17, 2011 UFO Sighting News.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJk9f25nmI4

>Lary King Live military ufo interview (only linking part 1 of 6, click on to the others if interested)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwKDjq3ZHdQ&list=PLC4B07EA3F274C614&index=13

>MSNBC News 1942 U.F.O. The Real Battle of Los Angeles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe0_wbVYIQ0&list=PLC4B07EA3F274C614&index=21

>Turkey UFO Clearly Shows Aliens - Dr Roger Leir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U14Ji_skYwQ

>>5965982

>Russian Phobos mission lost due to ufo, female cosmonaut shows last photo taken during the mission featured a UFO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_x68J3tZjY

>UFO History - Japanese Airline Flight 1628 Followed by Huge UFOs Over Alaska
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4BMI0R1bj4

>Russians Polits Chase Cigar UFO (Recorded from Cockpit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftmc3_RmCjs

>Alien Implant Research
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnsq1BgvmO4

>an astronaut talking to Houston about a spinning metallic disk that had been following them. Pretty funny.
>Daft Punk -- Contact with lyrics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IX_hvrNB9M

>>5965985


>Secret NASA Transmissions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITH3gwccX0A

>Former CIA Agent on his Deathbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03jZEkTCSRI

>disclosure project
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

>ET Disclosure Press Conference - National Press Club - Washington, DC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDZIEKEpOy8

>Extraterrestrial Reality UFO Disclosure Citizen Hearing Full April 30 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy_juuWhUho

>Ex Psi op for the US gov Ingo Swan speaks on being asked to view the dark side of the moon, sees structures and people
http://archive.org/stream/PenetrationTheQuestionOfExtraterrestrialAndHumanTelepathy/Penetration_Ingo_Swann#page/n3/mode/1up

>>5965986

>THRIVE - Planet Earth: Secret Reality Documentary (2012)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLEOPKDRV8A&list=PLC4B07EA3F274C614&index=27

>The Secret Construction Of The Pyramids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjEytiaL5Yc

>NASA's Apollo DSE "Black Box" Transcripts - revealing the unscripted truth about the Moon (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qM3xOu9HRU

>NASA U.F.O FOOTAGE (FULL VERSION) by Equalification
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8njYpyAkMp8

>Japan space agency announces proof of civilization on earth's moon
http://www.examiner.com/article/japan-space-agency-announces-proof-of-civilization-on-earth-s-moon

>Alien Structures on the Moon. NASA Cover Up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2qaZFC2PtM

>>5965979
>overwhelming evidence
>can't think of anything to say

>back to /x/ hurr durr


I believe in aliens but I don't think they visited us that log ago.

>>5965992

>Orb UFO Hovers Over Fresno, California For Four Hours! May 15, 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JxlS8OosYU

>NASA Scientist Says Warp Drive is Doable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwZt1Yh4-1U

(warning, Sketchy)
>UFO Sighting - Phil Schneider secret Underground base in Dulce, NM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycXBliDApO0

(warning, Sketchy)
>Phil Schneider - D.U.M.B.S (Underground Bases, Alien Greys, New World Order) HQ FULL LENGTH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf7vLXf5bNo

>China probes far side of moon and claims to have evidence of habitation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHZJrwyzXp0

>Texas UFO Radar Data
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjHTCaucuYs

>>5965979
"There's no evidence!"


>post evidence
"Take it to /x/!"


Yeah because our trusted astronauts,political leaders, military, astronomers and commercial pilots testimony don't count right? The thousands of hours of radar recordings are all trash and birds flying at thousands of miles per hour. Mass hallucinations, swamp gas, Jupiter, our own craft, weather phenomena etc.

I am definitely on /sci/ right now.

>>5965994

(warning, Sketchy)
>The Bob Lazar Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igUMDICqTpQ

>Aviation Pioneer Sees UFO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C2A2HEK5rU

>Another Pilot UFO testimony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwja_qsDM0k

>UFO Captured By Pilot On Film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEG05nk6bV8

>Pilot Ordered To Shoot-Down UFO Over UK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VgGt99gmeA

Please, to whomever is spamming the group with bullshit Youtube videos:

"evidence" is the stuff that those videos are getting their info.
Watching someone report the info, particularly when it's uncredited and no expertise is creditable, is ridiculous.

The information isn't in the video, it's the stuff they are telling you about (the NZ reports are what you link, the interview reported, the eyewitness statements).

Someone talking about someone talking about what someone said is NOT evidence, it's barely interesting.
STOP GOING TO VIDEO TO FIND REAL INFO!

>>5966006
I'm not him but wow, just wow

>>5966003
>Yeah because our trusted astronauts,political leaders, military, astronomers and commercial pilots testimony don't count right? The thousands of hours of radar recordings are all trash and birds flying at thousands of miles per hour. Mass hallucinations, swamp gas, Jupiter, our own craft, weather phenomena etc.

No, you derpwad.
It's because you aren't posting any evidence at all -- you are posting links to video that reports about evidence. That's people TALKING about evidence, it isn't actually information.
You don't even know if they guys making the little video report actually checked any information, or left any out -- because it isn't the evidence!

What you just did marks you as a complete idiot -- providing nothing but unsubstantiated discussion and no source info, no credits, no names, no dates, no info of ANY KIND.
And what is really ridiculous, is that the actual evidence is JUST AS EASY to find on the internet -- but you went to the least reputable, least direct, most time-consuming source possible.
Get yourself away from youtube and other video sites.

>>5966006
Well several of the videos do have testimony from radar recordmen who have the recordings to back up the things the pilots are reporting to them. Objects going thousands of mph and then pulling right angle turns with no inertia, seen by pilots and confirmed by radar. that's a form of evidence. There's soil samples from landed craft with unexplainable properties, types of implants that have been removed that don't inflame the body and are made of materials only found in meteorite or outside earth, there's thousands of testimony from people we would ordinarily trust. There's plenty more than just that if you're interested take a look.

I'm not saying this is infallible evidence I'd just like these mostly reasonable cases to be thought of when the conversation comes up.

>>5965968
>So you believe they laid a brick weighing several tons perfectly every 2 minutes non stop for 22 years?

Let's break down your suggestion:

>So you believe they laid a brick
In this case, once it's on rollers, that's quite easy

>weighing several tons
it requires some leverage and several people pushing -- quite attainable

>perfectly
no one has EVER said it needed to be done 'perfectly' -- in this case, the threshold of tolerance is 'within 3-5 cm'

>every 2 minutes
multiple work groups, a planned route of placement, this is just clever

>non stop
why non-stop? They didn't work at night, they had some days off, too.

>for 22 years?
This begs the question of how many workers were used to calculate the years -- it wasn't done over that much time.

>>5966014
>high ranking government officials talking about personal experiences
>official declassified government documents
>no evidence

Top lel m8. If its so easy to find the counter evidence then why don't you do it.

Anyways, this thread was meant to be a discussion of the pyramids, not aliens.

>>5965968
This kind of over-exaggerated emphasis on 'perfection' and inflated numbers is why people need evidence -- none of this statement is correct.
This is a statement that hyperinflates the correct information just to make it seem less possible.
Yes, of course it is not possible given the literal meaning of the statement. But the literal meaning of THIS statement isn't what was done, what was built, or what was needed. It's wrong.

>>5966025
Explain how they carve perfectly symmetrical faces.
Explains the appearance of pi and 1.61 in the pyramid.

Pyramids are great, but they're not exactly an unprecedented feat of engineering.

Scale, maybe, but piling stones on top of each other in the shape of a pyramid, the most rudimentary stable structure on Earth, by using ropes, simple machines, ramps, and tons of citizens/slaves isn't an impossible feat.

We need to accept that the most rational explanation is that Egyptians built the Egyptian pyramids.

>>5966035

they learned by trial and error how steep to make the face.
If pi emerges from that, it is because some quirk of engineering

>>5966029
>Top lel m8. If its so easy to find the counter evidence then why don't you do it.

The reason I am not doing it is that I did not propose any of the statements -- none of this is my claim.

And it isn't about 'counter-evidence' because no evidence has been provided!
(What I wrote was that second- and third-hand reports ABOUT someone giving evidence is not the evidence. It's not even good discussion.)

The person posting youtube links isn't providing govt officials talking about personal experiences; it's providing fourth-hand news reports telling us that they did so.
it certainly isn't providing evidence in the form of a declassified document -- it's reporting that the document was declassified.

The evidence is what is being reported in the document, not in someone telling us there is a document! (and, much, much worse -- doing it with a mundane uncredited video through some news broadcast!)

>>5966014
You want me to bring an alien to your house or what?

It's youtube but a lot of it is from foreign documentaries or shows where you can feel free to confirm their qualifications if you want. I have linked a few videos that I am unsure of but it's meant to broaden the conversation.
They did the work for us, they gathered the people for us, they brought it to us and we ignored it. They had no platform to speak on so the videos found home on youtube. This isn't some ufo nut insisting he caught an alien on film. This is ex governors saying they were a part of a cover up, this is the Canadian Minister of Defense saying the United States would come over the border to pick up downed UFOs, this is astronauts saying UFOs were common in space and they weren't aloud to talk about it when they were on live feed to public access radio.

There are professionals who have confirmed much of what is being said about the physical evidence in these videos but you wouldn't know that because you haven't bothered to look.

Youtube is a fair medium to me, if you want to take a case you see and dissect it to look at everyone involved knock yourself out.

Seems to me that there's a bit of dogma going on here.

Isn't there a book called The Heritage of Thales that went over how they had enough math to balance out ratios in circles, but just didn't have the proof for it? Wouldn't it be possible they had that for trig too, and just didn't do the proofing?

>>5966025


A brick had to be laid every 2 minutes for at most 22 years. You say they had breaks, if they did someone else had to be laying them otherwise they'd have to lay them more often than 2minutes when they were working. You believe they did it. Good for you man stick to your beliefs.

>>5966035
>Explain how they carve perfectly symmetrical faces.
>Explains the appearance of pi and 1.61 in the pyramid.


You continue to exaggerate these by hyperinflating their accuracy.

To what degree are those faces symmetrical?
Someone has surely studied it -- and such a study would give a numerical value to the accuracy. Can you tell it to me?

(I can tell you right now it isn't going to be 'perfect' or anywhere close -- because that would indeed be a worthy discussion.)

Pi and Phi are natural relations; they cannot help but appear in normal calculations of round and rectangular objects. But they do not indicate meaning.
(It's like intimating that the number 90 recurs repeatedly in structures that are built upward -- there is no hidden meaning to the number, it just happens to indicate rightness.)

>>5965968

OP here. Go to the library, request this book, Pyramid, by David Macaulay.

Then, learn. Yes, the pyramids were built by mere people with stone tools, rudimentary alchemy, some geometric knowledge, the wheel, ropes, & so forth.

Oh yeah, and a shitton of slaves

>>5966035
>Explain how they carve perfectly symmetrical faces.

They're not "perfectly" symmetrical. There is a tolerance of a few centimeters. And of course they can do that, they're not retarded.

>>5966049
They encoded the speed of light in it too I guess? Golden ratio and pi? and they made it earth quake proof by dividing each face into halves? Damn they were good.

The figure above concerns speed of light and how this is encoded in the Great Pyramid.

The square there is base square of the Great Pyramid.
There are 2 circles, L1 is circumscribed circle of base square and L2 is inscribed circle of base square.

subtracting circumferences L1 and L2 gives us 1/1000000 from the speed of light in meters per second.
But he did not notice, that this means, this distance is
1/1000000 from light second, it is independent of measurement system of lenghts, but requires knowledge about seconds.
Additionally in this Figure there are 2 other circles, L3 and L4, constructed by myself. L3 is circle, inscribed into triangle ABC. L4 is constructed by dividing diameter of L3 with square root of 2, using
right angled isosceles triangle PTR.

The idea for constructing this circles is to get circle with circumference, what is exactly
1/1000000 light seconds. This construction is logical, not artificial and the circumference of L4 is exactly 1/10**6 light seconds.

Notice, circumferences of circles L1, L2, L3 and L4 are (sqrt(x) is square root of x in google calculator):
C(L1) = (sqrt(2)+2)/10**6 light seconds
C(L2) = (sqrt(2)+1)/10**6 light seconds
C(L3) = (sqrt(2)/10**6 light seconds
C(L4) = 1/10**6 light seconds.
This results are geometrical conclusions from the fact, that difference between circumferences L1 and L2 is 1/10**6 light seconds.
Using the fact, that side length of the base square of the Great Pyramid equals 440 royal cubits and 1 royal cubit equals pi/6 meters (remarkable fact!)

>>5966060

I will write the formulas for calculation and you can use Google calculator for checking them. Results are already expressed in micro light seconds (for convienency)
C(L1) = 440*pi/6*sqrt(2)*pi/299.792458 = 3.41425117
Sqrt(2) + 2 = 3.41421356
C(L2) = 440*pi/6*pi/299.792458 = 2.41424015
Sqrt(2) + 1 = 2.41421356
C(L3) = (440**2)/(440+440+sqrt(2)*440)*pi/6*2*pi/299.791458 = 1.41423386
Sqrt(2) = 1.41421356
C(4) is obviously 1.000 (C(L3) divided by sqrt(2)


Now I bring elementary, but more technical proof of the fact, that when difference between lenghts of circles L1 and L2 is 1/1000000 light seconds, then circumferences of L1,L2, L3, L4 - C(L1), C(L2), C(L3) and C(L4) are the expressions:
C(L1) = sqrt(2) + 2
C(L2) = sqrt(2) + 1
C(L3) = sqrt(2)
C(L4) = 1 micro light seconds.

Sqrt() denotes square root, it is used in Google calculator for calculating this function, as well in other mathematics oriented computer programs (R for example). ** denotes powering (2**4 = 16)
Let D1, D2, D3 and D4 be the diameters of the circles L1…. L4, measured in light seconds.
Let D1 – D2 = s (scale factor, in this case 1/pi * 1/10**6 )
As D2 = D1*sqrt(2)/2,
D1*(1-sqrt(2)/2) = s
D1 = s / (1—sqrt(2)/2) =s*(1+ sqrt(2)/2)/(1/2) = s*(2 + sqrt(2)
D2 = 1/sqrt(2) * D1 = s * (1 + Sqrt(2))
From formula D = 4*S/(a + b + c), where S is area of the triangle, a,b,c lenghts of sides of the triangle,
and D is diameter of the circle, inscribed into the triangle
we get
D3 = 2*D2**2/D2*(2+sqrt(2)) = s*2*(1+sqrt(2)/(2+sqrt(2)=s*sqrt(2)
D4 is D3/sqrt(2), D4 = s

But, as is well known:
“the lightspeed latitude” with degree 29.9792458 goes through centre of „Great Gallery“ inside the Great Pyramid.

>>5966049
Not OP

>>5966062
Thank you anon, watch /sci/ just ignore all of this and say that it was an accident.

>>5966053
Yes they are perfectly symmetrical, watch the link or do some research

>>5966043
>It's youtube but a lot of it is from foreign documentaries or shows where you can feel free to confirm their qualifications if you want.

No, if -YOU- want -- because, you see, I am not making any of the claims, nor arguing against your claims.
I am showing you that you are NOT showing us anything.
That part where you say -I- can go get their qualifications? THAT is what you should have done to show us evidence. That's the BEGINNING of you showing something. It isn't an obligation you pass to us, to prove what you are refusing to get.

>I have linked a few videos that I am unsure of but it's meant to broaden the conversation.
Great; pick one, and give the link, but EXPLAIN to us what you are showing from it (not 'da whole thing') and where to find it.
A video is a bulk source, not a specific tidbit of information.

>They did the work for us, they gathered the people for us, they brought it to us and we ignored it.
You're giving the people producing news reports and junk TV a LOT of credit.
None of that work is good argument; they barely check the names of people they actually speak to, and almost never get to go backward to verify anything.
Yes, they are exposing us to it, but until someone goes to get the info, it has no veracity. You've just concluded that there is something there.

>>5966072
Just stop kid, you're embarrassing yourself.

>>5966072
You've made a lot of judgements before looking at the body of what I posted, it's not all news reports and junk TV.

I'm not going 1 by 1 through all these videos and explaining what's going on and everyone involved. If you're interested you should take a look yourself, I only posted what I thought would be reasonable food for thought.

I'm a random guy on 4chan, I'm not going to babyfeed you, there's too much food. If you eat it all I'm not saying you'll change your stance entirely but you will definitely not be so quick to attack the idea of someone from another rock saying hello.

>>5966043
>This isn't some ufo nut insisting he caught an alien on film.
This is ex governors saying they were a part of a cover up,
this is the Canadian Minister of Defense saying the United States would come over the border to pick up downed UFOs,
this is astronauts saying UFOs were common in space and they weren't aloud to talk about it when they were on live feed to public access radio.

NOW you've got it -- those, intimating specific points and people -- THOSE are the thing you should have said and found links to. Not someone else reporting them, not a video of someone else reporting them, and not a link to a site where you can find a video of someone else reporting them.
Those are levels of separation from the actual info. That's what I am trying to get you to collect and show people -- not 4th, 5th, or 6th-hand references to facts that MIGHT exist.

>you wouldn't know that because you haven't bothered to look.
Actually, I have, but either way, you aren't helping by spamming youtube links.

>Youtube is a fair medium to me, if you want to take a case you see and dissect it to look at everyone involved knock yourself out.
No, you're missing the point.
What I am saying isn't that Youtube isn't a medium of mass communication. It certainly is, it's just horribly flawed and has no credibility.
What I am trying to get YOU to see is that providing just Youtube links isn't providing information of any kind. It's providing a vague way for someone else to go view suggestions that information MAY exist somewhere.

Repeating that last bit, because it's been my point for 5 responses:
It's providing a vague, uncreditable way for someone else to go view -suggestions- that information -MAY- exist somewhere.
And that is why it isn't helping make any argument, and it cannot be taken as evidence, period.

>>5966092
It's pointless trying to convince people about them. People in general tend to latently ignore all information and logic that does not support their predispositions.

>>5966094
Couldn't of this all been avoided if you just watched the videos and took it for what it was?There is evidence in the video's if you look. I've spent a lot of my spare time looking and I've been astounded by how mostly bullshit ends up on tv while staggering cases remain in the dark. Why are you nit picking my nuts?

>>5966099
Yeah but there's usually a few people who are grateful for being introduced to the information. It isn't enough to shut the case but it is enough to reopen it.

>>5966094
>This is ex governors saying they were a part of a cover up,
this is the Canadian Minister of Defense saying the United States would come over the border to pick up downed UFOs,
this is astronauts saying UFOs were common in space and they weren't aloud to talk about it when they were on live feed to public access radio.

You're not eloping you're position. And you've ignored the high ranking military officials. The evidence he posted is credible.

>>5966047
>You say they had breaks, if they did someone else had to be laying them otherwise they'd have to lay them more often than 2minutes when they were working.
No, you're assuming the claim YOU just made is right to claim that. (recursive argument)
I see the wikipedia article (with several creditable references) claims 12 blocks per hour to build it.
But the best treatment I have seen of the construction showed more people likely involved and far more supporting structures built and cleared away -- by which I mean that a lot more than just the volume of the final pyramid was actually moved.

They did have breaks, and I mean DAYS, not sit-downs.
There are good records from the time; it is KNOWN, not guessed. The records name how many workers, by class and race breakdown, and frequently count loads and brick movements.
Someone has apparently told you these are a big mystery; they have not been for decades.

>You believe they did it. Good for you man stick to your beliefs.
I'm not making ANY claim of belief. I'm telling you that you have fallen for someone's hyperinflation of the project, and of the accuracy, and of the difficulty.

Yes, Khufu was a massive project, requiring massive amounts of labor, careful planning, and support.
Not a single thing about the entire project required technology they didn't have, and not a single thing about the 'precision' levels required was very impressive.

You know how they did it? No television!

>>5966048
>they had enough math to balance out ratios in circles, but just didn't have the proof for it? Wouldn't it be possible they had that for trig too, and just didn't do the proofing?

There was never any 'need' for mathematical proofs to have mathematical tools.

Proofs are logical arguments; they don't have to exist to apply math.
(They do to -advance- it.)

>>5966029
I love how people who are suspicious of the Govmnt and think there's a huge conspiracy point to "declassified documents from the goverment" as evidence. Lol.

>>5966163
Yup, the government is our Freud ad has never lied to us or done anything immoral.

>>5966035
How did we fly to the fucking moon? Ingenuity is a halmark of humanity. The Egyptians of 4,000 years ago are the same homo spaiens who just did a crazy ass rover landing on mars. You're an idiot of underestimating our collective problem solving skills.

Or should i say "misunderestimating"?

>>5966131
Did you watch the movie in the link? I just want to know out of curiosity. I disagree with you but you have a decent argument.

>>5966131
Well I don't really know but after seeing everything built into the pyramids to ensure their durability, their precision, and the sophistication of the people who supposedly built it it doesn't really make sense to me. It's too perfect for people who are that dumb. It is totally out of place compared to everything else built built afterward. It seems to match or even surpass the sophistication of things we build today.

>>5966043
>physical evidence in these videos
>physical evidence in these videos>physical evidence in these videos>physical evidence in these videos>physical evidence in these videos

you see the fucking problem there?

>>5966074
>Yes they are perfectly symmetrical, watch the link or do some research

You are falling back on the reportage of the symmetry, and assuming the literal meaning of the guy trying to DESCRIBE the symmetry is a literal and mathematical fact.

It is NOT 'perfectly' symmetrical -- wherever you heard it, the guy was trying to find words to make it sound impressive.
I guess it worked -- at least one person assumed he used the perfect word to describe it, and meant it exactly literally.

'Do some research' -- that's amazing, because it's what we asked YOU to do, rather than take the words of a video narrator literally to the extreme.


Here are several values calculated for accuracy of the Khufu pyramid: (in order of how impressive I take them)

The ratio of the perimeter to height of 1760/280 cubits equates to 2π to an accuracy of better than 0.05% (1 in 200; hardly remarkably 'perfect,' just impressive)
The base is horizontal and flat to within 1.5 cm (this is quite impressive).
The finished base was squared to a mean corner error of only 12 seconds of arc (not particularly impressive, as correction was achieved by moving the blocks, and confirmation of rightness would have had good tools)
The four sides of the base have an average error of only 5.8 centimeters in length (this is not very impressive, as correction is a matter of chipping off extra)

>>5966177
>how did we fly to the moon

Electricity and advanced physics.

>>5966168
uh, not what i said or meant. you clearly don't understand the concept of "cognitive dissonance".

>>5966187
I'm not talking about the pyramid dipshit, look up Ramses statue.

>>5966177
I'm not the anon you're talking to but let's be honest here. We got to the moon on the back of every discover we've made so far in recorded history. They built several perfect pyramids that align with the equinox, are earthquake proof, have encoded in them the golden ratio, pi, and the speed of light before they had the wheel. If it was us it was from a time where we were more advanced than we admit.

>>5966060
>>5966062

>>5966182
Do you want me to bring the evidence to your house so you can inspect it

>>5966178
>Well I don't really know but after seeing everything built into the pyramids to ensure their durability, their precision, and the sophistication of the people who supposedly built it it doesn't really make sense to me. It's too perfect for people who are that dumb. It is totally out of place compared to everything else built built afterward.

They did nothing to 'ensure' durability -- they just used the longest-lived material they had available. and it happens to be durable. They didn't improve a material themselves -- THAT would have been an accomplishment.
Their precision -- the bases are similar inside 6 cm. That's hardly 'precise' work, it's just very good.
As far as the sophistication; well, the geometry wouldn't have to be understood by many people, but it's just good geometry. What is -far- larger in scope is the planning of how to do the whole thing; now that required a few impressive people.

>It seems to match or even surpass the sophistication of things we build today.
Oh, I strongly, strongly disagree; there are some projects from even recent history that are vastly more impressive.

Consider the Channel Tunnel, the tunnels through the Alps, the rebuilt infrastructures of major cities (done while the city lives around them), and half a dozen large bridges.
These projects require huge amounts of geographical surveying and knowledge, vast materials science in great detail, tools and tooling with significant specs and energies, and some great expertise in planning and analysis.

Yes, we do some of that kind of thing a lot, but that doesn't mean the quality of work isn't impressive, it just means it's widespread. That's a good thing.

>>5966199
This says a lot about how much you know of the construction. The pyramid's faces were divided into halves and the way the bricks were laid inside the pyramid ensured it's stability. This is all hard to do.

I'm leaving the thread take it easy guys nice talking to ya.

>>5966182
to clarify I mean there are physical radar recordings, soil samples, removed implants giving off electrical signals and made of materials only found in meteorite or outside our solar system and so on. I don't mean the evidence are the flying saucers recorded, I mean there is actual physical evidence.

>>5966191
The golden ratio is a ratio found throughout nature. Particularly in the human body. Every artist ever knows this, either explicitly or intuitively. Egypt was a massive empire with enormous resources. There was a priest class with insane amounts of leisure time to shoot the shit, design stuff, build stuff, whatever they wanted. They had slave labor. Humans can be smart motherfuckers. As individuals and groups.

>>5966043
>There are professionals who have confirmed much of what is being said about the physical evidence in these videos but you wouldn't know that because you haven't bothered to look.

You are wrong; I HAVE bothered to look.
And if I were trying to show someone what I learned, the way to do it is to show the place where the information is.
I would point to the record of the interview, and the assertion in his own words of what a witness claimed. (Not a video that shows someone showing a video of the guy being interviewed a few weeks before.)
I would show the link to the actual document (not a photo of how someone can apply to get the document).
I would show the photo evidence in high-quality (not a video of someone looking over the photo evidence on his desk, or a video of the guy describing his conclusions of the photo evidence).

Do you see how the video is NOT evidence? It's just people TALKING about evidence!

>>5966194
yeah, actually that'd be great. Or maybe bring it to a consortium of reputable scientists who can study it and do peer reviews of each other's work. How bout fuckin that?

>>5966199
Although I don't think it's was sophisticated as building are today, they did build a homogeneous(or whatever it's called I don't remember) structure that withstood the test of time while everything around it collapsed. That's wry advance knowledge and there's no way they would have known that because we didn't find out about it(how to build one) till we started running computer simulations.

>>5966211
>soil samples
where are these soil samples and who has studied them? Where are the implants located now? Who collected them? who studied them? Where's the metalurgical studies of the materials?

>>5966205
>This says a lot about how much you know of the construction. The pyramid's faces were divided into halves and the way the bricks were laid inside the pyramid ensured it's stability. This is all hard to do.

No, it isn't. Stability of piled rocks, with even a moderate knowledge of geometry and exploratory stacking, isn't hard; it's the most concrete of the things we've talked about today.
In fact, that's the second least impressive thing I've read about them in the whole thread.
(The least impressive was the 'accuracy' of the base length I looked up -- nearly 6 cm.)

>>5966215
>Although I don't think it's was sophisticated as building are today, they did build a homogeneous(or whatever it's called I don't remember) structure that withstood the test of time while everything around it collapsed. That's wry advance knowledge and there's no way they would have known that because we didn't find out about it(how to build one) till we started running computer simulations.

But the reason such structures last isn't because someone knows they have ultimate stability; they aren't predicting with advanced modeling.

The reason they lasted is the same reason the bricks were stable as they were laid: no mortar, flat surfaces, and overlaid as much as possible (about half of each brick).
It's the same thing a child today would discover in an hour's play, really -- bricklaying isn't mysterious.

It does condemn the work of people who built with mortars, as not being very far-thinking. But it doesn't elevate the Egyptians.

>>5966220
I wasn't talking about the base, I was talking about the statues

>>5966227
Did you watch the link OP posted? Do it. I'm gonna take the word of experience engineers over some anon on /sci/.

>>5965885
Great video OP. Watched the whole thing and people who had would realize it has nothing to do with aliens.
It basically talks about the possibility of mankind being allot older and advanced, that knew allot more about maths and science than what we give them credit for.
The conclusions at the end about predicting climate change and world events is a bit far fetched but still very interesting and worth investigating further.

>>5966211
>to clarify I mean there are physical radar recordings, soil samples, removed implants giving off electrical signals and made of materials only found in meteorite or outside our solar system and so on. I don't mean the evidence are the flying saucers recorded, I mean there is actual physical evidence.

Yes, I think we understood that.

Do you understand that you didn't refer to ANY of that at all?

What you did was (for example) show us a video report of someone doing a three-minute news story telling us someone examined evidence and made a report about it.
Here's how divorced from fact a Youtube video is:

It isn't the evidence.
It isn't the name of the guy who did the examination.
It isn't the method or results of the examination.
It isn't naming the specific, context-relevant results.
It isn't how to see the results of the examination.
It doesn't show the degree of research done to find the expert, or find the report, or find the quality of the expert.
It doesn't show the background knowledge of the reporter, or any implied attitude.
It removes the context of the reporter's report, the examination report, and the video report -- and provides an opportunity for some numbskull youtube poster to edit in or out critical facts at his whim.

It is a recording of a recording of the news report that says an examination was done, with a tiny hint of what his overall (not specific) conclusion said.

>>5966074
Not too hard to get symmetry with some cunningly tied pieces of string.

>>5966236
Thank you at least someone appreciated it.

How do you explain all those sites lining up along the magnetic equator(or whatever it's called) though?

I believe in aliens beaucse there's overwhelming evidence to support them but Im not sure if they had anything to do with the pyramids.

>>5966060
1. The ratio of what you're referring to as L1 and L2 is about 300, that's really the only significant thing about it.

2. Considering the concept of a meter didn't exist until a few hundred years ago, I'm not sure why you think the speed of light in Mm/s is in any way connected to the pyramids.

>>5966241
I don't think that you looked at any of his videos. At best you looked at one.

>>5966245
Not him but the video shows that they actually did know about the meter. They used a cubit as their measuring system which is 0.5236 m which is pi/6. There's also other evidence but I'm not gonna bother trying to explains it to you racist you obviously haven't even watched/considered the evidence

>>5966244
Maybe it was mankind's first attempt to understand the shape of the earth at least that's what I derived for it. Trying to map out locations to test to see if the earth was flat or round. Maybe once they derived this they were trying to map out the earths position in the galaxy or universe. People were always trying to understand where they are on the earth surface . Like some sort of ancient datum system. Or possibly to see if they could put the maths down to events.

Its a shame the internet is filled with so much bullshit these days that when something of credit is presented its automatically rejected due to the "Mah Aliens" fuckwits instead of granted due attention and investigation.

While the aliens theory is debated I really don't think this video even touches on the subject.

(Spatial Science Student)

>>5966260
They were superstars by thousands of miles of Ocean and no one in the historic or scientific community would argue that they were in contact with each other. It might not be ALIUMS but you can't explain it using the official story.

>>5966264
Fcking autocorrect

>>5966257
not that anon, but i suggest you read about the history of the meter before stating such drivel.

>>5966244
Why would we even bother trying to explain that? it's irrelivant.

>>5966268
Official history said that is was introduced in the 1800s by a Masonic bishop. This doesn't support the facts that I stated

>>5966277
So it's just a coincidence?

>>5966264
Maybe that's why we cant find the direct link between humans and monkeys, because mankind is allot older than originally predicted (6 million years currently). That is all speculation however.

>>5966268
Who's to say it was not already known before then by a different means ?

>>5966281
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre_Convention
the meter/metre is something that is culturally agreed upon. It's nt an immutable law of nature that is "discovered". They made it fit with something consitant in nature in order for it to have stability and coherence.

>>5966284
If I plot the location of me, my girlfriend and my mom on a map right now, it forms a perfect equilateral triangle.

MUH ALIUMS!!!!!!

>>5966291
can you even into evolution? Now i'm just embarassed for you.......

>>5966292
>Wikipedia as a source

Not only that, you're helping my case. I showed that they had knowledge of it and you are showing how people figured it out thousands of years later

>>5966257
The earliest definitions of the meter were based on the length of the meridian as measured on a curve passing through Paris, France. It's only in the last century that we've started making efforts to connect the concept of the meter to physical constants instead of arbitrary measurements.

Incidentally 1 cubit = 0.4572 meters


Seriously, take this crap back to /x/

>>5966303
you really aren't getting it are you? The Egyptians came up with a unit of measurement that was useful to them in their surveying and building. They're human beings, building things on a human scale. Millenia later, Euros came up with a similar unit to do the same things that the Egyptians were doing. How does this blow your mind?

>>5966297
Not denying evolution but science is always changing dates based on facts and finds.
The location is still debated so is the age.

That's like saying "can you even world is flat". Im embarrassed for you f4ggot.

Have any skeptics watched the video I posted? Pls respond

>>5966062

your measurements are suspect

>>5966252
>I don't think that you looked at any of his videos. At best you looked at one.

You're not far off; I looked at 3.
But then I checked his list, and aside from pasting a title to each link, he wasn't actually saying anything about the video.
He certainly wasn't citing anything specific in any of them.
He was just pointing, mutely, that there were videos.

Now, if the video was itself evidence (the actual evidence, not a report about the report about what someone said of the evidence) then I missed that, but he also didn't note that.

>>5966244
By selectively picking "important" historic sites, i could probably map a huge smiley face across the globe, but i'm not about to believe that that means a fucking thing.

>>5966257
>Not him but the video shows that they actually did know about the meter. They used a cubit as their measuring system which is 0.5236 m which is pi/6.
?
You just specifically said they did NOT use the meter.
(They used the cubit.)

>There's also other evidence but I'm not gonna bother trying to explains it to you racist you obviously haven't even watched/considered the evidence

Racist?
How did you decide someone is racially prejudiced because they don't see mystery in the Egyptian pyramids?

>>5966291
>Who's to say it was not already known before then by a different means ?

Maybe you are not understanding:
a measurement standard isn't something that can be discovered; it could not be 'known' by any means other than agreeing upon the definition of the length and term.

Thus, any measurement, of any kind, is an agreement upon a standard.
It isn't known or discovered separately.

What he is saying is that there cannot have been any significance of the division of a measurement of the pyramid by meters (specifically) because there was no such measurement form.
(Or, you'd be intimating -time travel- along with the 'foreign guidance' of construction!)

>>5966291
>Maybe that's why we cant find the direct link between humans and monkeys, because mankind is allot older than originally predicted (6 million years currently). That is all speculation however.

The reason we cannot find a direct path of evolution from primate forms is because fossils are rare.

It hasn't got anything to do with the logic or a failure of concepts; we just don't have a lot (note spelling of those two words) of data.

>>5966330
frankly if i put on my overeducated liberal arts school cap for a second, i'd say those who don't think the acient egyptians were capable of building the pyramids are the racists. Brown people can build cool shit too. Brown people can into basic mathmatics. There are archaeological sites in Africa that people thought must have been built by Arabs or lost Portuguese seaman, because, i mean c'mon, there's no way AFRICANS could build huge perfect structures amirite?

>>5965885
It's often the case that the arguments for aliums stem from a eurocentric perspective. That is, the idea that non-european civilizations couldn't have built the things they built without help from aliums.

>>5966330
It just so happens that it's pi/6 in meters, right?

Jus told watch the video

And the racist thing was autocorrect

>>5966049
Actually, turns out the whole slaves thing wasn't actually the case. They were well compensated workers that lived on the land and also had special burials.

>>5966325
No one? Just like I though, you people aren't even willing to examine the opposing argument

>>5966325

I was in AZ at the time, and the event was not just satisfyingly explained, it was demonstrated and repeated (similarly).

Any 'mystery' people find today is just rehashing of the people who convinced themselves of what they think they saw. They don't have clear memories any longer; they argued their memory into a corner, you can see it in their descriptions.

Yes, when lights move similarly, and upon a dark background, they seem to be part of a larger, darker, moving object. This is tested, repeatable, perceptually false.

>>5966349
>Brown people can build cool shit too. Brown people can into basic mathmatics.
I thought everyone already knew this: real mathematics had a very strong structure in Arabian culture.
Yes, we assume 'brown' people can do math. Arabians started a bunch of it.

>There are archaeological sites in Africa that people thought must have been built by Arabs or lost Portuguese seaman, because, i mean c'mon, there's no way AFRICANS could build huge perfect structures amirite?

Well, no, it's usually similarities between structures that make people start talking about visitor influence.
Archaeology always starts from the assumption that locals built everything, until something suggests otherwise.

>>5966366
see here's the thing, and why you need to go back to /x/: posting a video is not making an argument based on empirical, testable evidence. That video is not an "argument". Simpy because we may not know what is being shown in the video does not = ALIUMS. There's a lot shit that happens that i can't explain. Is it all aliens? Naw. Is it God? Nope. Is it Zeus? Probably not but that'd be cool. Is it the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Most likely.

Go back to /x/.

>>5966358
>It just so happens that it's pi/6 in meters, right?

No, it isn't.
There is no reason for correlation; someone has either misrepresented a correlation, or you misunderstood it.

One of the cubit rods (they are different lengths) is close to pi/6 meters.
but that cannot have significance, because there was no meter
There is also no reason to think dividing by 6 was relevant;
the cubit itself was divided into 7 subunits.

>>5966234
>Did you watch the link OP posted? Do it.

You're not being helpful or even remotely specific.
somebody posted what -- 40 video links?
No I obviously didn't fucking watch all of those. I can't believe anyone would CONSIDER watching all of those, just because someone posted them.
If you mean one in particular, please, name it maybe with a time reference, I will watch.

If he is not using the video to say anything, if he doesn't even make a statement about what he is trying to show form a video link, I don't know why ANY of you would go look.

>I'm gonna take the word of experience engineers over some anon on /sci/.
As you should, but I didn't write anything that conflicts with what engineers say or do.
I've heard lots of argument over what is good and bad about ancient structures; the Egyptian pyramids have done some things well.
I noted particularly the mortar issue; you might recall snails in the walls at Jericho, and granular sand issues in Sudamerica.

Yes, we can model in computers today. But humanity didn't need computers to learn how to stack blocks in a stable formation. Perhaps we need computers to show and explain -why- other forms establish failure modes, but we don't need them to see modes that do not fail easily.

>>5966358
1 cubit = 0.4572 meters
1 royal cubit = 0.54 meters

π/6 = 0.5236

>>5966419
Watch the one in the first post, even if you don't believe in ALIUMS it's still interesting. Im OP and that's the only link I posted.

>>5966467
I must have gotten the word "cubit" confused. If you watched the video you would have seen that they used 0.5235 as a unit of measure.

Why didn't you watch it? Why didn't anyone watch it? You people don't even want to consider the evidence.

>>5966695
So let's see if I understand your argument.

The value of Egyptian measurements are known, and known NOT to be related to π/6 or the conventional unit of the meter... but because some random guy in your video says otherwise, it must be so?

>>5966706
Some goy? More like 3 historians who measured it at 0.5235(maybe look it up) METERS.


A more logical explanation for all the evidence could be civilization is a shitton older than we think and that whole periods of human history have been wiped out. I believe >muh aliums had something to do with it though.

>>5966737
>cubit, unit of linear measure used by many ancient and medieval peoples. It may have originated in Egypt about 3000 bc; it thereafter became ubiquitous in the ancient world. The cubit, generally taken as equal to 18 inches (457 mm), was based on the length of the arm from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger and was considered the equivalent of 6 palms or 2 spans.
>Encyclopedia Britannica

Ignoring all evidence to the counter that your conversion is wrong, you're still ignoring the simple fact that the original basis for the meter is based on concepts and locations that didn't fucking exist in thousands of years ago

It wouldn't matter if 1 cubit was 3.14159 meters, it'd be nothing but a coincidence because meters as a concept didn't fucking exist then.

>>5966804
#rekt

>>5966804
>>5966835
Confirmed for 15 year old in pre calculus.

>>5966804
because a metre is 1 ten millionth of 1/4 of the earth's circumference, the relationship is not arbitrary.

>>5966043
>Holy shit undeniable evidence of Sauron really existing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3s5KGRp_OY
This is how you sound

>>5966849
>all those claims about 5 digits precision
>the "geographical" meter isn't even that close to the modern definition of the meter
top fucking kek
The geographical meter was 0,993977 m in the modern convention.

>>5966851
>not knowing when to give up

>>5966861 cont
So the "cubit" in terms of the geographical definition of the meter is 0.45997 m.
Not so pi/6 anymore, is it?

>>5966869
Please watch the documentary. It does a better job explaining it than we do. If after that you can point out were it was wrong then I would gladly listen.

>>5966737
>Some goy? More like 3 historians who measured it at 0.5235(maybe look it up) METERS.

Yes, we have to define the cubit in modern terms to make it clear to modern people.

If you were talking to the Egyptians, you'd say '1 cubit.'
Since people today know 'meters' you convert.

It doesn't mean that Egyptians made up the cubit based on the relationship of the meter to pi.
And that was supposed to be the significance -- that pi/6 matched the cubit/meter relationship somehow.

It doesn't match up, and the cubit wasn't a single standard length; it was locally standardized, by measuring rods, and those rods have been found in subtly different lengths.

>>5966877
No I won't, if only for the fact that it was taken down for copyright.

Holy herp this thread

>THIS IS WHAT MODERN DAY ENGINEERS AND HISTORIANS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

>>5966885
Really? I watched it yesterday. Illuminati lizard people? But srsly get rekt fagget

>>5966861
a meridian is 40,007,860 modern metres

so an old metre is 1.0001965 modern metres

that is pretty close. in ancient architecture it is wildly precise

>>5966895
It has nothing to do with the meridian

>>5966835

>>5966877
video hasn't been available for a while now.

>>5966695
>I must have gotten the word "cubit" confused. If you watched the video you would have seen that they used 0.5235 as a unit of measure.

Sounds like you just assumed it was a firm standard.
It wasn't; it was a local standard; some guy had an official rod for measuring, and everyone on the 'work site' made copies for their individual work.

I think several of the official rods have been found, and are quite similar in length, but the imagined relationship to pi/6 meters is ridiculous;
it is known to have been established specifically by an elbow-fingertip distance.

If you really wanted, you could insist someone went around looking for the right leader that had a pi/6 m arm, but you're begging for relevance, then.
(And you'd still have to establish why dividing by 6 was important).

>>5966025

your explanations don't really explain anything of substance

>In this case, once it's on rollers, that's quite easy
how do you get them on the rollers

>it requires some leverage and several people pushing -- quite attainable

how much leverage and people are required? is it achievable in the short timeframe? is the amount of leverage and people even viable?

>no one has EVER said it needed to be done 'perfectly' -- in this case, the threshold of tolerance is 'within 3-5 cm'

realize how many bricks there are and your proposed method of placing them. that tolerance is very very difficult to achieve

>multiple work groups, a planned route of placement, this is just clever

yet these work groups and planned routes are never shown / follow the time limit of completion

>>5966906
>realize how many bricks there are and your proposed method of placing them. that tolerance is very very difficult to achieve
That's why you do marking before you put the layer down. Stop working like a portuguese anon, if you lay down your bathroom tiles one after the other without a pre-made grid, it's not gonna fit in the end.

>>5966907
Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about, I watched it yesterday, there's like 10 versions. It popped up in my suggestions

>>5966902
Historically the metre was defined by the meridian, so any relationship with a metre is a proxy relationship with the dimensions of the earth.

>>5966902
The metre has everything to do with the meridian, later standards were based on the earlier geographical standard, to 5 sig figs

>>5966913
There's not even an unequivocal way to define a meridian length, the Earth is not a perfect sphere...
>this fucking thread

>>5965937
lololololololol

im just laughing of how ignorant you are. you've never done any research just stood in your little cuddlebox of acceptable science shaming anything that didnt fit the mold, searching and watching youtube videos that pander to you own decision you already made. ive studied both sides of the issue

aliens and ufos are real bruh

>>5966920
I belive in aliens but "ancient aliens" is shit and probably misinformation. In the documentary he only debunk the bullshit that the show said.

>>5965975
>>5965978
>>5965980
>>5965982
>>5965985
>>5965986
>>5965992
>>5965994
>>5966005

muh nigguh

>>5966919
The meridians are consistent to many sig figs, as the earth's oblateness does not change them.

They are different to the equator however.

The equivocal nature however meant better standards came in, but all v. close to the original.

What about the water erosion?

Do you really think reputable geologists and climatologists are incorrect when they say there is absolutely no way the pyramids could have attained water erosion during the time period egyptologists claim, because there was zero rainfall during that period?


How do you dispute this, /sci/? 300 Egyptians and a lever?

The great pyramids were made by humans for religious rituals, not burial. If you do research into Pythagoras, you will find that he was initiated into the mysteries at the Pyramids and learned their priests' secrets, which includes things like sacred geometry.

It's shocking how mundane real history is, and how willing people are to hear hoofbeats and think hippogriffs.

>>5966906
>your explanations don't really explain anything of substance
? I don't see why not; all they are meant to do is show why nothing advanced is necessary to build the pyramids.

>>In this case, once it's on rollers, that's quite easy
>how do you get them on the rollers
They had levers, laborers, rope, ways to level ground, ways to make the ground firm, lifters -- they knew how to work with stone just fine.

>>it requires some leverage and several people pushing -- quite attainable
>how much leverage and people are required? is it achievable in the short timeframe? is the amount of leverage and people even viable?
You've never read anything about this bit of history, have you?
They had cooperative labor, rich farmland, good algebra and maths, a solid cultural base with many contributors, storytelling, a sense of community.
The last couple studies I have read put the construction at a few tens of thousands of workers (under 40k) within some 10-14 years. But, the planning of the process (which is informed by authentic records), was really impressive.
Honestly, the assembly of the structure is far less complex than the planning of getting it done, and that process.

>>no one has EVER said it needed to be done 'perfectly' -- in this case, the threshold of tolerance is 'within 3-5 cm'
>realize how many bricks there are and your proposed method of placing them. that tolerance is very very difficult to achieve
>>multiple work groups, a planned route of placement, this is just clever
>yet these work groups and planned routes are never shown / follow the time limit of completion

Sure they are! They just aren't shown by the people who want to convince you that it was a mysterious process.
I wish i recalled the name of the last one I saw; it went into detail about the stages of building the many ramps for raising each tier, and how the ramps were subsequently razed and rebuilt for successive tiers.
They actually had to move several times the mass of the pyramidal mass.

>>5966936
You're talking about greek pyramids, aren't you?

>>5966912
>Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about, I watched it yesterday, there's like 10 versions. It popped up in my suggestions

I can only speak of the unnamed video link I was offered; I tried a couple hours ago, I tried now.
It's pulled offline.
Don't get mad at me; people find it easy to steal the work of others and post it to youtube.

>>5966944
Just look up "pyramid revelations" then. It actually doesn't even mention aliens but it states a lot of interesting facts.

>>5966942
No.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oneI3wYY8Go

brb shoot 1500 rounds of anti-aircraft ammo at for an hour and a half at an object and still can't take it down

brb tell everyone it was a weather balloon

a weather balloon


some people still believe it too

>>5966925
do you even hopi or dogon tribe nigguh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT9WUlM7a6k

do you even crystal skull?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvF3DSNnpzU
im not talking about the fake ones that people make for money, the real ones

im sure you think that these ancient sites are all aligned so you can draw a line straight through them as a coincidence of humans

>>5966971
I'm sure that they did have some influence on history but I doubt that the truth is on history channel

>>5966983

Good goy! It's on CNN and The View!

>>5965885
it was an inner ramp
the grand chamber contained a counterweight to lift heavy rocks

if someone tells you they didn't have that tech they should study archeological finds in the past 10 years

..... and they say biology isnt a hard science

>>5967005
Citations: [Jean-Pierre Houdin]

>>5966835
So what? So you googled the speed of light? Big fucking deal

>>5967005
Doesn't explains how they cut the rocks different sizes but it fit perfectly. Doesn't explore how they built the vertical shafts. Doesn't explains the fact that it lines up with dozens of other ancient buildings in a circle that's the size of the equator and just so happens to be the equator is we look at it from the magnetic field perspective

>>5966971
I just picked 12 ancient sites on a map and drew a huge cock. we alium now?

>>5967023
no it doesnt
they used copper bands with sand to act as the cutting material. if you dont think that works try it

>The logistics of construction at the Giza site are staggering when you think that the ancient Egyptians had no pulleys, no wheels, and no iron tools. Yet, the dimensions of the pyramid are extremely accurate and the site was leveled within a fraction of an inch over the entire 13.1-acre base. This is comparable to the accuracy possible with modern construction methods and laser leveling. That's astounding. With their 'rudimentary tools,' the pyramid builders of ancient Egypt were about as accurate as we are today with 20th century technology.


Yup, levers and ramps guys.

>>5967023
What year's magnetic field? You know it changes, right? Do you even think about the crap you're talking?

>>5967023
do you think people are stupid? do you think people can't plan shit like this out? do you think they didn't have architects back then? This wasn't a bunch of village farmers who had never built anything before. Jesus.

>>5966935
>>5966935
>>5966935
>>5966935


This.

You can argue about how they were built by egyptians all you want, but the fact of the matter is this: They weren't built by egyptians whatsoever.

>>5965885
>Hey guys! Look at this! The Pyramids are so perfect and complex, the Egyptians must have really been some kind of hyperadvanced civilization!
>What? No, they aren't. What are you talking about?
>Oh, so what you're saying is they were too stupid too build them and it must have been aliens, right?
>...

>>5965896
of course they were really advanced. You're either very stupid or implicating that aliens had some role in the pyramids; and now that I think about it, those two are the same thing.

It's because the Jews built the pyramids. Stupid!

>>5966992
>Implying those sources are any better/credible.
Anyone who believes the ancient alien shit is terribly deluded and obviously have already made up their mind about their delusions. We just have to wait for them to die out from overdosing on all the drugs they take. Hopefully when that day comes, we can stop the spread of all this blatant misinformation.

>>5967071
It's a classic case of having a theory and then searching for any hint that will support that theory, while ignoring everything else that might contradict. Classic bullshit.

>>5967023
hey fuckwad, you still haven't adressed why specific ancient sites that are seperated by millenium are cherry picked to fit your "magnetic map". Why those sites? Why not any of the hundreds of other important anciet sites? why are those excluded? Oh right, it's because those sites don't fit with your preconcieved idea.

>>5967075
It's seriously the same bs I see within the 'spirit science' (whatever the fuck that is) community. It doesn't begin with observation. It starts with the theory and builds on that. Therefore it cannot even be considered science.

>>5967092
>'spirit science'
I'm thankful i have never heard that term in my life, and i was about to look it up. But no. Not even once. For the first time in my life i think my ignorance will be bliss.

>>5967099
Seriously? How have you not heard? You've made a good decision today. You'll spare yourself so inner-cringe.

>>5967023
>Doesn't explains how they cut the rocks different sizes but it fit perfectly. Doesn't explore how they built the vertical shafts. Doesn't explains the fact that it lines up with dozens of other ancient buildings in a circle that's the size of the equator and just so happens to be the equator is we look at it from the magnetic field perspective

Wow -- you'll believe ANYTHING they put in a conspiracy video, huh?

They cut the rocks different sizes only a bit, and they cut many of them near the endpoint -- there was no reason to cut them to a size that didn't fit.
Again, that word 'perfectly' keeps coming out. It wasn't perfect; it isn't even centimeters from perfect. They fit well enough.

No, moving and cutting the rock doesn't explain how they built the shafts -- but that doesn't mean the shafts are mysterious. They can use framing, marks, and simply not place rocks where they didn't need it. Homeowners can place bricks in walkways to do the same thing, without any training or tools.

The site at Gizeh does NOT line up with other sites around the world, it does not shape a circumscribed circle, the Egyptians did NOT know about other pyramidals. The fact is just this: there were more people around the equatorial regions after the ice ages.
People build stuff -- lots more than the people in colder climes.

just watched a few of those videos..they are so full of shit and prove nothing

it's either some people talking nonsense pretending they saw or know something which is clearly made up (or they are just delusional)
or it's some shaky bad quality footage of something flying in the air (could be testings of new aircraft,could be weather balloons,even venezuela has a space program nower days)

so much pathetic crap
same people believe in ghosts as well

>>5967099
>>5967092
>>5967104
>spirit science community
Hello, my name is Seraph. For the last two years, I've been debating members of the Spirit Science community on their forums. I'm proud to say that I've been making slow but sure progress on converting them all to the path of skepticism and scientific inquiry ... although my progress was hugely setback when the creator of the videos, Jordan, banned me from the site for six months.

Sigh.

Anyways, if anyone wants to help out (please oh god help me), the forums are at http://thespiritscience.net/forum/index.php , and I'd be more than glad to invite you into the conspiracy of plotters who are planning the downfall of Spirit Science. Fun!

>>5967103
>The fact is just this: there were more people around the equatorial regions after the ice ages.
>People build stuff -- lots more than the people in colder climes.

couldn't have said it better muhself.

>gigantic blocks weight tens of tons hauled 500 miles and lugged up 300 feet by slaves just to build a funeral chamber with 3 rooms in it
>don't have wheels but can design complex, earthquake proof buildings who perfectly faces north
>made perfectly symmetrical statues using ropes and I tuition
>new about homogeneous architecture
>knew about pi and the golden ratio
>the rest of the world is running around in animal skins
>knew about the equinox and astronomy despite thinking the world is fucking flat
>did I mention they didn't have wheels

Makes perfect fucking sense.

>>5967169
Obviously no one could build a great pyramid with your level of understanding.

>>5966935
>zero rainfall during that period?

Idiot.

It rains there.

>>5967103
>No, moving and cutting the rock doesn't explain how they built the shafts -- but that doesn't mean the shafts are mysterious. They can use framing, marks, and simply not place rocks where they didn't need it. Homeowners can place bricks in walkways to do the same thing, without any training or tools.
What the Egyptians did then, any kid with legos and a bit of planning can do on a smaller scale today.

Does that make what the Egyptians accomplished any less amazing given the technological capabilities of the era? No, of course not. But they accomplished what they did through planning, clever engineering, and human ingenuity... not ultra-advanced super-science or alien technology.


That's honestly what bothers me about these ancient aliens conspiracy theories - not the crack science, it's not the absurd ideas about ley lines or cosmic alignments or psychic conduits (though they're certainly all aneurysm-inducing on their own) - but the fact that these conspiracies revolve around the idea that ancient humans were too stupid to have created the monuments that they did on their own and coudn't possibly have done it without help from gods/aliens/whatever

>>5967185
Just ignore their knowledge of astronomy despite having no wheels and thinking the world is flat. It's pathetic listening to all your circular reasoning and internal logic. Many laws had , thanks you

>>5965885
>Apperently, the Egyptians couldn't have built the great pyramid using their technology
Yes they could. It's been shown many times.

It was just a really tedious job.

>>5965968
>Perfectly
Go look at the pyramids yourself.
They even changed the angle midway on one of them because they derped.

>>5967240
Like in that national geographic documentary were they built that little mound using steel and it took them 15 hours to haul each block?

Top lel

Rocks and hemp OP, that's how they did it. The human hand is totally steady enough ad they had persuasion technology in the form of strings.

>>5967265
*precision

>>5966005
What I like about the flying pyramids is that it makes you first say, "Pyramids can't fly," which you then realize is our error. We don't know how to makes pyramids fly, but someone else does. We also don't know why the Egyptians built the pyramids. Maybe it was to welcome back visitors from long ago. Flying pyramid, that's my favorite type of UFO. What's yours?

Thanks, youtube.

>>5967276
He didn't post anything about flying pyramids.

>>5967279
No, that was a youtube comment on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEG05nk6bV8

>>5967276
What the fuck did I just read?

>>5967319
Really. Wow, this shows how ignorant people can be.

This is why we can't have discussion like this, because /x/ always invades like retarded locus. You guys are duped into thinking that humanity somehow became SUPER SUPER SUPER SUPER smart in 1945. This is around MERICA became a superpower. We have the same problem solving skills as they did 4000 years ago. The only difference the technology has advanced.

>>5965885
>Video not available
The fuck, man?

>Apperently, the Egyptians couldn't have built the great pyramid using their technology.
Yes, they had to uncover the lost secrets of the cavemen. Then they could build it.

>>5967360
Look up "pyramid revelations". Try to find the one with the woman voice.

>>5965961
Nice try David Macauly, but not this time!

>>5967238
Gaining knowledge of astronomy is easy, all it takes is lots of free time to observe. And they had fucking wheels

>>5965885
>simple geometry
>de egiphins culdn now dis, so alines
Pic related, this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mHe211mLV0

pyramids look like comparably easy structures. There's other complex structures like aztec buildings, it's possible the engineers responsible for such projects didn't share their knowledge, maybe they were expats as well. if we underestimate the egyptians in building the pyramids, then we're not just stupid, but also ignorant.

>>5966035
>>5966047
>>5966906

What the fuck? There are actually people on /sci/ who believe the ancient aliens bullshit?

>>5966303
"The Meter" isn't some fundamental truth that you "discover".

The meter is something that someone made up to unify measurement.

I could take a bottle of water and declare that henceforth, the length of this bottle shall be known as "1 beter". It obviously wouldn't catch on but that is, in a nutshell, how the meter was created. Key word being "created" rather than "discovered".

Saying that the Egyptians "had knowledge of the meter" isn't saying anything at all other than they, like us, took a fixed length and assigned it a standard unit to facilitate planning. They might as well have used "the foot" or "the mile" or "the rock" or "the pharao's nose".

>>5969044
Well technically the meter could be considered discovered as it was a fraction of the distance between the equator and the north pole.

>>5969072
As measured along a curve passing through a city that didn't exist for a few thousand years after the pyramids were built.

>>5966892
Without facebook and plenty of whips to encourage hard work, distractions were very likely minimal.

Our lazy asses just have a hard time accepting our ancestors were just beasts with lots of spare time on their hands

>egyptian remains are evidence of their capabilities
>"no, Egyptians couldn't have done that"

why do people contradict the physical evidence?

>>5965885
"It also shows the mathematical beauty of it(pi and the golden ratio appear often), which is contradictory to our current beliefs about Egyptian mathamatics"
Um have you never heard of the Bent Pyramid?
It was a huge mistake and the transition between the step pyramid design and the well known 43 degree pyramid design. They started out the pyramid at 54 degrees and had to lower it to 43 otherwise it would have collapsed. The great pyramid was only built after the Bent Pyramid. Yes the Egyptians made mistakes and through these mistakes they refined their architecture.
Now stop watching Ancient Aliens and do some real research.

>>5966189
I know you just recently discovered "cognitive dissonance" because of how popular it's become in the collective vocabulary but please stop using it like a child that just learned a new word

>>5970056
excellent and informative response. you really showed me, i feel humbled.

>>5970035
because Egyptions aren't white. Greeks are white so they can obviously do anything but Egyptions? nah

the goa'uld built the pyramids as landing pads for their spaceships

Two words: Hermes Trismegistus. Or as the Egyptians later deified him, Thoth. There's your source of their knowledge, not "muh aliums"

Aliens.
That is the scientific consensus.

>>5971714
A god told them? Much more logical

Why would Aliens construct a pyramid?
They can build space ships, travel across the galaxy, and come to earth to pile together a bunch of rocks?

>>5972398
Not aliens. Humans were just more advanced and have a much longer history than conventional history states.

The first half of the documentary I posted is good but you should take the other half with a pinch of salt.

>>5972399
And so these highly advanced humans built a pile of rocks
This is bullshit esoteric new dawn age shit
"this world is impure this age is misbegotten, there was once a golden dawn in the distant past that was pure and good and we must recapture it"
A century ago people were more blunt, they claimed it was ancient aryans and nordics
Because its obvious brown people couldn't build this could they
The Egyptians didn't just wake up one morning and build the Giza necropolis
They went through hundreds of construction projects through many generations
Starting with the Mastaba tombs, the Step Pyramids, failed efforts like the Bent Pyramid, and etc

>>5972351
they made him a god

>Science & Math
>Science in this threat
>Nil
Evidence used
>muh YouTube documentary
Into the trash it goes

>>5972457
thread*

>>5972399
>Humans were just more advanced
Yeah, m8. Dying in your 30's, little knowledge about medicine, building things with 1000's of labourers over countless years sure is the sign of advanced humans.

We are much more advanced than the Ancient civilizations.

bump

kek

>>5969913

not to mention they wre slaves and not workers so they didnt have any human rights back then

>>5972398