/sci/ - Science & Math

>>5938800
Yeah i hate it too, what can you do though? everyone is brainwashed by space nigger and space cripple

>>5938800
this is the downside to popsci. it gets some kids into the actual field who wouldn't have otherwise but it popularized some real cringe-worthy face-palming bullshit like quantum mysticism

>>5938800
But wave collapse is a thing.

equations collapse
the electron doesn't care

>THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT AN ELECTRON ACTUALLY EXISTS AT ALL PLACES IN THE ELECTRON CLOUD.

That's exactly what it means you pinhead. Why don't you try actually learning the math, rather than just re-reading popsci until you think you get it.

>THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT AN ELECTRON ACTUALLY EXISTS AT ALL PLACES IN THE ELECTRON CLOUD.
Self-interference in single phonton/electron double-slit experiments says exactly that.

What about oarticle wave duality? Is that also an artifact of the instruments?

>>5939085

This.

Does that mean water can't retain a memory?

>I'm fucking pissed about the misuse of quantum mechanics
>proceeds to misuse quantum mechanics
Does this make OP an autoerotic ragemonger?

>THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT AN ELECTRON ACTUALLY EXISTS AT ALL PLACES IN THE ELECTRON CLOUD.

>THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE ELECTRON DOES NOT ADHERE TO THE CURRENT SYSTEM OF KNOWLEDGE THAT IS NUCLEAR PHYSICS.

>THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE ELECTRON IS A RANDOM VARIABLE IN THE UNIVERSAL EQUATION.

Good job showing you dont know what you are talking about. there are 2 ways to look at electrons, you can say the wave function is a physical object. or you can go with pilot wave theory. At first it seems you are trying to say that the wave function being real is bullshit, so you must be a PWT enthusiast, but then it doesn't seem you know anything about that. for one, our current system of knowledge of nuclear physics is the exact same model that we use on the electron. And secondly the electron is not random inside the equation, the wavefuction is completely deterministic, its only when retards like you try to interpret QM in a classical way that you need to insert some randomness and shit like it existing every place at once.

Why dont people ever argue about classical electrodynamics in this way? ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS DO NOT EXIST. THE PHOTON IS NOT EVERYWHERE AROUND A MAGNET AT THE SAME TIME. MAXWELL WAS WRONG!

>>5939117
>Why dont people ever argue about classical electrodynamics in this way?
Because it's missing the hipster-sexy QM from the name.

>>5939117
EM is wrong, classical Abelian Yang Mills fields are much better at describing experiments.

Why don't you shoot photons at stuff instead of electrons, since photons are lighter you should be able to "see" with greater resolution, why not?

>>5939173
wrong way around there.

OP here.. copypasta from /pol/ u don got baited

>>5939117
The cause of quantum probability is still a fringe area of study and has many controversial ideas. One such controversial idea is that probabilities are Bayesian, or that they are caused by other probabilities.

That may not be immediately satisfying, so perhaps what you're looking for is an interpretation of probability itself and what it means. Bayes defined probability as a "degree to which a person believes a proposition."

So the cause of quantum probability, according to Bayes, would be something in nature that causes a person to have that degree of belief in a proposed measured value in quantum mechanics.

You might say the belief in an outcome guides the probability, so our will determines the future.

>>5939173
Other way around: Why don't you shoot C60 at stuff to "see" it with higher resolution?

>>5939192
Too far. But try shooting whole atoms at each other at high relativistic velocities and then you're cooking.

there is no such thing as quantum mechanics, Stochastic electrodynamics all the way!

>>5939102
It only retains happy memories to act as cures and somehow turns all the poison it encountered to anti-poison memories when properly diluted.

>>5939173
Photons have a greater wavelength than electrons.

>>5938800
>Quantum Mechanics has nothing to do with "randomness".
Does Psi Squared mean anything to you, dumbass?

>How do we look at very small objects?
>We use an electron microscope.

x-ray diffraction doesn't exist? Learn something before you speak, retard.

>Attempting to use an electron microscope to see an electron is impossible, because it is too small to get any kind of interference back.

No, it's because of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. You have two complementary observables that prevent you from knowing them to a certain degree of accuracy to within a factor of planck's constant. You probably don't even know how to row reduce a matrix, you piece of shit.

You know nothing about the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, and that's basic shit. Fucking learn how to take a derivative, if your algebra is good enough, and then we'll talk.

>>5939252
>Photons have a greater wavelength than electrons.

Photons come in all fucking wavelengths, asshole. Change the frequency, change the wavelength. You are a fucking retard that knows nothing.

>>5939263
>Change the frequency, change the wavelength.
>I want to bombard ALL my specimens with hard gamma