/sci/ - Science & Math

Fuck nootropics, its all placebo.

Mindfulness meditation. It's simple as fuck and it actually works.

>>5867942

>>5867963
>scientifically prove drugs are placebo
>crossing your fingers and going "umnmmmm" gives results

brool ctory sro

http://www.gwern.net/Nootropics

Try piracetam. It has been demonstrated in well-replicated studies to have improvements on short-term memory and also various neuroprotective effects. Anecdotally, many users report a greater sense of mental clarity after taking it as well.

>>5868053
I've heard it too, how can I get it? Not OP btw

>>5868060
Yeah were do I get this stuff in the UK?

>>5868064
You cant get shit in the UK, not even a painkiller. Forget it. How can I get it from the USA?

>>5867942

freebase cocaine is the best
just don't do too much

Please stay in topic people. Does anyone knows how to get piracetam over south america?

>>5868070
UK customs never check anything, you can order all this shit in the UK

>>5868079
UK Customs fag here. We regularly intercept mail, and have raided the recipients homes on that basis.

>>5868079
WTF? But technically you cant buy anything from painkillers to other drugs. The grinders have that problem. I guess you know how to bypass that dude.

>>5868080
We'll you've never checked my mail and I've been ordering off silkroad for years

>>5868083
>But technically you cant buy

Actually all the laws are about selling; stores can't sell this stuff. But buying? That's legal. So if you find a seller outside the UK it's all good

>>5868080
>>5868084
>>5868087
lol very interdasting

>>5868060
>>5868064
>>5868070

As far as I know, piracetam is not regulated anywhere, so you should have no problem with customs. There are various places to buy it online, which you can find pretty easily.

>>5868090
How can I know if its regulated or not? Just thinking on get this stuff makes me horny btw.

>>5868037
>>scientifically prove drugs are placebo

actually meditation has more science backing it up than nootropics, in terms of efficacy and health.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20363650
> Moreover, brief mindfulness training significantly improved visuo-spatial processing, working memory, and executive functioning. Our findings suggest that 4days of meditation training can enhance the ability to sustain attention; benefits that have previously been reported with long-term meditators.


google it, and you'll find even more studies.

anyone tried Forskolin + Artichoke Extract?

Tim Ferris recommended it on the Joe Rogan podcast. Said his super hacker friend takes it and notices a big difference

>>5868135
>foreskin extract

sounds gay

>>5868135
>Hearsay anecdote from some hippy woo-woo bullshit podcast

LOL.

Look, if you're intelligent, you both won't need any drugs to help with your cognition in the first place, and would realize that pretty much anything claiming to do such is bullshit.

If you're not, tough luck.

>>5868160

This is a really dumb mentality to have.
It's like saying someone who has good genetics won't benefit from steroids. They will. The brain is a machine organ that runs off chemicals just like all your other organs, it can be improved or damaged chemically.

Anyway back on topic.

>The BMC study used a MRI to scan the brains of subjects who practiced Tetris for 30 minutes a day. They compared these images to the MRIs of people who had not practiced Tetris at all. In the experimental group, the researchers found that the subjects’ gray matter had thickened, leading them to believe that the game is responsible for physical cognitive development that should (in theory) also improve things like memory capacity. In effect, playing Tetris allows your brain to operate more efficiently.

30mins of tetris is good for your brain

>>5868196
Did you know that shoving dead people's brains into your own skull also increases gray matter thickness?

I usually take an omega-3 tablet once a day. Woks for me.

>>5868196
>It's like saying someone who has good genetics won't benefit from steroids.

No, it's not. The important bit there is that "brain steroids" do not exist in any meaningful non-placebo capacity, and sufficiently intelligent people can discern this from the available information and thus realize that the action of pursuing "brain-steroids" has negative utility.

Eat fish and avocados

>>5868219
>The important bit there is that "brain steroids" do not exist

When a healthy person takes ritalin or provigil they are essentially taking a brain stimulant since their alertness, focus, ability to concentrate for extended periods of time and even memory are improved as a result.

I've taken them and the results are extremely obvious. They won't magically boost your IQ, but steroids won't magically put muscle on you either, you still need to work and eat and use them properly.

Paul Erdos used speed to improve his math abilities. He stopped taking it for a month and said his output dramatically fell and math suffered as a result.

So yes there are brain steroids.

>>5868245

They are essentially taking a central nervous system stimulant. It acts like any other stimulant. It is not a miracle brain-booster, in any greater capacity than are amphetamines or a cup of coffee.

>>5868245
Erdös took Benzedrine or Ritalin almost every day for the last twenty five years of his life. Sometimes he took both.

Colleagues worried that Erdös might have become addicted. In 1979, he accepted a $500 bet from his friend Ronald Graham. Graham challenged Erdös to abstain from speed for 30 days. Erdös met the challenge, but his output sank dramatically. Erdös felt the progress of mathematics had been held up by a stupid wager.

i use "maca" from osuth america and well you must ry, works for me

>>5868249
>They are essentially taking a central nervous system stimulant. It acts like any other stimulant.

And stimulants improve various cognitive functions, allowing one to learn more efficiently and longer.

> It is not a miracle brain-booster, in any greater capacity than are amphetamines or a cup of coffee.

If you know how to use amphetamines to study the performance increase they provide is way beyond anything coffee can do.

Coffee is to amphetamines what creatine is to test-e or Sustanon.

>>5868306

The military has sunk gobs of research money into finding effective stimulants. All of the research pretty much ended up at caffeine, for a wide variety of reasons.

>>5868315

That's why all the best pilots eat ritalin and modafinil like candy, and the military is writing more prescriptions for stimulants than ever.

"...the arm of the Department of Defense that manages health care services for the military, reveals that the number of Ritalin and Adderall prescriptions written for active-duty service members increased by nearly 1,000 percent in five years"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/opinion/sunday/why-are-we-drugging-our-soldiers.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

"Stimulants do much more than keep troops awake. They can also strengthen learning. By causing the direct release of norepinephrine — a close chemical relative of adrenaline — in the brain, stimulants facilitate memory formation. "

Please stop.

has anyone tried vyvanse?

how does it compare to adderall etc?

i'm getting a script

>>5867942

i might get modafinil if this semester makes me sad

pray i dont die guys

>>5868329
>http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/opinion/sunday/why-are-we-drugging-our-soldiers.html
Oh wow.

make a tulpa

I read a guide written by a psychologist on how to take ritalin to improve your studying.

Basically all my marks went up 15-20% and work that seemed dry and boring suddenly became fascinating and fun. Also my memory improved quite a bit.

I can't imagine being on it every day though, that seems really dumb. But if used strategically it can give you a huge advantage, way better than cheating.

>>5867942
bleach + ammonia

Seriously, stop this drug madness you just fuck up yourselves. If you aren't talented enough to do science, just deal with it faggots and find something else. What do you think? If you actually avoid the hard-way to learn, think and create, you will never able to do any contribution to science. Because you miss the most important part. There is no magic stuff, that makes this easy. Just sit down, and study, for fuck sake, be patient and do hard work.

>>5868160
LOL

http://jn.physiology.org/content/91/5/1955.long

>>5868399
you're forgetting drugs often contribute to scientific discoveries and advancements

cocaine - the psychoanalytic theory
LSD - DNA's double helix structure

>>5868399
>Food supplements
>Drugs

>>5868404
>the psychoanalytic theory

Haha. "Theory."

>>5868399

>There is no magic stuff, that makes this easy. Just sit down, and study, for fuck sake, be patient and do hard work.

The guys who take drugs work harder and better and longer.

Guys who don't take drugs are just lazy and afraid to really push themselves. Afraid to take risks.

>you will never able to do any contribution to science.

This is bigger than "contributing to science"--anyone can benefit, from lawyers to engineers and artists and bankers.

>>5868419
hey i didn't say he was right

he was just kind of big deal for quite a while

>>5868049

and /thread

srs, the gwern is full of amazing info

>>5868425
90% of those things are bullshit

with the possible exception of cdp-choline and acetyl-l-carnitine

>>5868420
Ok. But i'm pretty sure, that if somebody don't have the patience to pursue his goal, then he wont able to success, doesn't matter he take drugs.

And i think the real lazy people those, who tries to evade hard work with magic stimulants.

I tell you guys, what these stuff gives you: a heart attack at 35-40. gl hf

>>5867942

>>5868439

There are also smart and hard working people and when they take drugs they get even better results.

I genuinely think AlphaBrain worked for me.

>>5867942
>ritalin

You are using a more legal and more powerful cocaine. You reduce your brain functions, that is the mechanism why you boost concentration.

>>5868482
>You reduce your brain functions, that is the mechanism why you boost concentration.

Which brain functions? It makes sense that some functions will get limited, while others benefit.

I feel a bit less creative on it, but a lot more motivated to do just about anything. I also notice my reading speed increases, I find it easier to comprehend ideas too, both verbal/philosophical and mathematical/analytic

>>5868395
Link plz.

>>5868668
>Link plz.

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/08/how_to_take_ritalin_correctly.html

>>5868336

I've a script for Vyvanse 50 mg. Having taking adderall before, I definitely prefer taking Vyvanse. Adderall seems 'dirtier' to me even I've taken it maybe 5 times at most. Taking Vyvanse everyday is doable but I wouldn't recommend it; breaks are always a good thing yo

>>5867942

>>5868796
>Vyvanse

aka insomnia in a pill.

>>5867942

What the fuck? Ritalin? You crazy? That shit's amphetamine BS.

You want the good stuff? The type o stuff they hand out to men in soace suits?

Piracetam.

>>5869259
>Piracetam.

Tried it, it's basically useless compared to ritalin.

>That shit's amphetamine BS.

It works.

>>5868419

>the theory of relativity

Haha. "Theory".

No.

>>5868037

Are you trolling or this retarded?

Meditation is essentially the same as losing yourself in work you love. When you are doing something you love, you are basically meditating.

It's all about maximizing your ability to focus by being impervious to any and all distractions.

By purposely putting yourself in a careless and peaceful state on a regular basis you will gain the ability to recognize that state of mind where distraction and any form of hindering thoughts will be less and less frequent, increasing your over all ability to focus.

That's all meditation is. It's a mental exercise to assist you in your desire to be 100% of yourself at all times, without the influence of anything that can be classified as external.

Now you can use traditional meditation to assist your desire to be more focused, which can be as tedious as exercise...Or you can just always make sure you are doing something you love to do at any given moment.

Personally though I only use meditation when I'm beginning to get annoyed with everything around me, calms me down.

After that just give me a cup of coffee and I'm excited for whatever I feel like putting in front of me. It could be a text book or anything and I'm off learning at my own desired pace without it feeling like a race, soaking it all in and maximizing the entire experience.

cant go wrong with
-small dose caffiene +
-small dose modafinil +
-normal dose aniracetam

>>5868037
What the fuck are you talking about? They use this stuff in psychiatry.

Adderall > all other prescription amps

>>5867942
Get enough sleep everyday and have a varied diet. Always challenge yourself mentally. And you're done.

balanced diet + piracetam

>>5867942
Are those buttocks fake?

>>5868070
>>5868064
>>5868060
TFW when American and have the freedom to buy brain boosting drugs by the pound.

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>>5868342
>tulpa
Does anyone can share an experience of an usefull tulpa?

>>5869482
Thanks for the post.