/sci/ - Science & Math

In finance you silly shit.
I hope your PhD wasn't in theoretical mathematics.

>>5756028

As opposed to experimental mathematics.

>>5756028
I originally wanted to do theoretical physics like my hero Gordon Freeman, but I got sick and fucking tired of diagrams. Diagrams everywhere. I can't draw for shit; is that some kind of sin? Some people don't draw well - deal with it.

>>5756034
applied you dumbfuck

>>5756017
can't you apply to a high-tech job?

>common knowledge that money is in programming

btw: i have a friend that designs logos, makes good dough but he has no gf too

life is unfair, for the romantics

>>5756037

ITHM that Americans call "theoretical" what should be termed "pure mathematics". It's a brit thing.

>>5756045

I'm no brit, I'm australian. It's "pure mathematics". All mathematics is "theoretical", despite what Americans think.

>not able to get a job with a PhD in mathematics
Your fault for being shit.

>>5756017
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1wg1DNHbNU

same as it ever was
join the dark side

Hey mathfag, if you're such a hotshot maybe you can help me.

Have an n-dimensional vector space <span class="math"> X [/spoiler]. Let <span class="math"> K = O(n) [/spoiler], and consider homogeneous multivariate functions <span class="math">p[/spoiler] on <span class="math"> X [/spoiler] which are invariant under <span class="math">K[/spoiler], that is <div class="math"> p(kx) = p(x) ~ \forall k \in K </div>.

It is claimed that this means that <span class="math"> dp: X \to X^{*} [/spoiler] is equivariant with respect to K. That is, <div class="math"> dp(kx) = k~dp(x) ~ \forall k \in K </div>

I can't see why this would be, and I know I should be able too because it's grade school differential geometry. If I ask my supervisor he'll think I'm a massive pleb.

No one can fail so hard with a phd in maths. Troll thread.

>>5756017
>>5756036
What did you do your phd in?

You have my feels bro, but dont stop pushing and trying. You may well get your chance one day. Also if you want the women you'll have to go out and interact with them.

Why are you only applying to academic positions?

>>5756071
If you keep hanging out in academia you can.

Also, there is such a thing as experimental mathematics.

math is for autists.

MEANWHILE

ON TUMBLR

>>5756123
>degeneres telling people they wasted their time

Yeah, because talk show hosts are the true paragons of society.

>>5756129
Like it or not, she brought entertainment into peoples lives. What have you done, anon?

>>5756129
Some people only care for fame and money.

>look at steve jobs and mark zuckerberg
>they dropped out and look how rich they are!!1

>>5756100
I think they call it, correct me if I'm wrong, "physics".

>>5756131
Ate some chocolate chip cookies, hugged my mother before she went off to work, cracked open Rudin.

>>5756135
No, retard, experimental mathematics.

Physics is unrelated gibberish.

that feel when about to drop out because of maths while I do well in my main subject.

Let me absorb your brain OP. I really wish I could do math. It's the key to science.

>>5756017
Dude I really feel you. Seriously I have many things in common. Others even worst.
But there are solutions. I will say one big solution. But first you have to promise to forget any prejudices or feelings of superiority against social ideas you don't agree with.

>>5756143
You might consider learning about the history of math, particularly areas where you're having trouble with. A lot of what makes math hard is the abstraction, if you can add something to give it context and visual meaning it will make it much easier to absorb the concepts.

>>5756154
My main problem is that, yeah it's too abstract for my simple brain.

We are just learning definitions without getting taught why. I mean I know that it would just take too long, but I have no idea what I can do with complex numbers. And I have a hard time following lectures and understanding formulas.

>Believing OP

>>5756162
>but I have no idea what I can do with complex numbers
Take Electromagnetism II or what ever the course is called there. You will see a brilliant application in the AC circuits.

>>5756162

Give this a go:

http://betterexplained.com/articles/a-visual-intuitive-guide-to-imaginary-numbers/

http://betterexplained.com/articles/intuitive-arithmetic-with-complex-numbers/

>>5756017
Do what I did.

>be HS graduate
>go to community college for accounting/business
>get in bad car accident during second year
>have to drop out of school to pay hospital
>look up vocational school
>$500/yr for residents of the county
>PC hardware and networking
>graduate in 2 years
>get job at helpdesk making $40k/yr, $60k/yr with overtime at age 19.

tl;dr - learn a trade. It's not glamorous, but it pays the bills and comes with health insurance benefits.

wow OP that is the saddest thing ever , i've not started a math phd but I already know some of those feels...

>>5756017
I know many in science who are like this, not just in maths.

Truth is, even if you work as a bartender you have higher chances of getting pussy than in the academia. And you can make a lot more money doing a lot easier stuff outside the academia too.

The academia is the Mars of sex life, it's mostly barren land.

>>5756185
That's so stupid I don't even...
Where you have your job is almost irrelevant, if you can't meet a person on your own during your free time then you deserve to die alone.

>>5756175
Thank you <3

>>5756185
I am happy that I don't care about money or women.

>>5756199
Yeah well not everyone is a rich homosexual.

>>5756199
>considers fucking his students
>doesn't care about women

>sad about not getting a higher paying job
>doesn't care about money

are you woman
your brain doesn't seem to work well, just guessing

op's story is plain bullshit, here's main

>ph.d in pure math
>any job I want
>$300k starting

>>5756202
I am not rich or homosexual. I fap to 2D and 3D women and that's enough for me. If I ever am going to want to have sex I will just go to a hooker. I barely spend money so I don't need a lot. Just to pay for rent, food and internet.

>>5756216
so do i
if you really want money why don't you read a book on economics and try your luck at the stock exchange

i personally haven't tried it but a friend of mine is getting good money out of it
his main job is system administrator so i guess it helps that he's always online even when working

>>5756216
>>5756199
I am not OP fyi. I am studying because I find the subject interesting. I couldn't care less if I don't find a job after I graduate.

>>5756017
I hope your degree was in pure maths. Go work for a hedge fund as a quant. They hire physics and math phds.

Why would you study math nowadays when we have calculators?

>major in pure math
>boring as fuck
>
>switch major to something better

hnnngggg

>>5756017

That's the nature of science/math degrees now, if you aren't a top phd, no one wants you for anything and your overqualified for entry engineering jobs.

>>5756133
lel it is so strange to think about what it means to be a dead billionaire.

>>5756382

they will be reborn, maybe not jobs but zuckerburg will probably never die

>>5756017
>listens to the dumbest, most boring and most degenerate board on 4chan.

>>5756138
Lol'ed, considering I can't even into baby Rudin :(

>Doing the science that's supposedly the most prestigious instead of the one you really wanted to do

>>5756193
gee thanks asshole, way to be a massive fucking dick for no reason

>>5756176
So...he'd be making the same amount of money he is now, doing a job requiring even less knowledge and ability, with no chance of advancing into a meaningful career, and even less chance of ever finding a girlfriend.
Doesn't sound like much of a win.

It's a doggy dog world out there. Best you can do is to not take things for granite.

>>5756064
>I should be able too
>Should be able too
>Be able too
>Able too
>too

Stay ple... Wait. Mathematicians. We're all like that.

>>5756193
>go to a chick
>impress her with you physics and math knowledge

compared to:

>go to a chick
>tell her you know how to make the perfect cocktail for her

Are you really that dumb?

>>5756293
top lel

you make me worried about teaching in community college.

I'm a math Ph.D., too. It took me a long time to even get a post-doc position. I've been looking for a research professorship for a year now-- I'm still just a lecturer.

In math, unless you're the reincarnation of Galois or Hilbert with a Ph.D. from Princeton, you're going to struggle. That's just reality.

>>5756017
You're a failure as a person OP, this has nothing to do with math.

Math is the queen of all sciences.

>>5756435
>math being your only skill
fuck, what is it with 4chan and autists who only have one interest in life

>>5756511
Departments should be honest with people who aren't geniuses trying to get a PhD. They should just say, look, you can do this. But, if you want to be an academic you are going to have a hell of a time.

Of course, they never will. They need people to employ in their labs and teach their courses.

Although, I think people wouldn't listen anyways. People who have IQs 1 sigma above the mean tend to think they are 2 sigma above the mean and don't like it if you point that out.

>>5756435
>Talking about work instead of leisure and other activities
Are YOU really that dumb ?

>>5756536
This so fucking much. I mean, I love my science above all, but nobody can work 100% efficiently. The problem with sperglords is that they waste their time on anime or vidya, and are neither good at academia nor at anything in life.

That guy that made that awesome discovery? He surely wasn't a sperglord. That guy that gave an useful answer to you question of /sci/? Him neither. Some people fail, other succeed. None are equal.

This thread is why I'm doing my PhD in Stas

>>5756586
Stats? If so great decision. What do you plan to do afterwards? Anything specific?

>>5756593

Yep, I can't spell. No real plans for afterward. Of course I'd love a research position but I've never heard of a guy with a PhD in Statistics being unemployed for long.

>>5756017

Do you not enjoy mathematics for mathematics sake OP? Are you doing research on your own time? If not I don't see how you even made it through a math PhD.

>>5756551
but if you work as a fucking bartender you dont have to do that, you can talk about your job as a bartender and actually impress the girl, scientists do not have this option

>>5756071

Who do you think teaches math classes in community colleges? It's gotta be some guy and that some guy could be OP. I don't understand what is so implausible.

MSEE making $60,000 reporting in. I was an adjunct for less than a quarter. It is total shit.

>Ph.D. in Math
>Student Loans
2/10


next time, learn how graduate school works buddy.

>>5756637
That's why you don't talk about work you fucknuts, the majority of work related themes are boring conversations, the bartender one being an obvious exception.

>>5756381

You are not overqualified. You just suck.

>>5756677
Do you get your undergrad debts wiped as soon as you get a PHD? Holy shit you've changed my career path completely. Thanks bro!

>>5756690

No. He is full of shit or a Chinese who did bachelor for free in communist china

>>5756710
They don't have internets in China.

>>5756278
'hedge funds' don't recruit pure math phds. they recruit computer scientists, and physicists and mathematicians with significant modeling and coding experience...and they tend to recruit from prestigious schools, not Shitstate U.

>>5756547
that would never happen because the people giving out that advice would be academics. you know, people who have spent literally their entire lives in an ivory tower circle jerk. any career advice they hand out will be absolutely worthless because they've literally never worked a real job in their entire lives.

>>5756722

Chinese come here you moron after free B.S in china for free grad here.

Everyone is trying to get to the bar. The name of the bar, the bar is called Heaven. The band in Heaven plays my favorite song. They play it once again, they play it all night long. Its hard to imagine that nothing at all
could be so exciting, and so much fun.

>>5756051
>>5756045


its counter intuitive, but the more prestigious, accepted, trustworthy, accredited, etc. universities typically tend to utilize vague and non-specific titles for their degree programs, even at the graduate level

Don't get me wrong, there are obviously exceptions.
but most people accept that someone with a Ph.D. in "Materials Science" could have specialized and therefore possess their greatest amount of knowledge in areas as diverse as classic synthetic organic chemistry (applicable to everything from high performance polymers, drug delivery, phomask development, organic semiconductors/conductors, two photon absorbing dyes or pigments, etc.) all the way to theoretical solid state physics (modelling 2DEG in a heterostructure, current density in a single-molecule CNT gate, hot carrier injection through a purely capacitively coupled structure in a microstructure, crystal growth of ZnO deposited from solution, etc.)


this concept is completely standard, accepted, and almost expected.
Someone that I discussed this same topic with characterized it by jokingly saying:


"they give out degrees with titles that would instantly recognizable by greek philosophers"

Im gonna be an engineer.

I've always wondered what the fuck mathematicians actually do, i mean, do they just sit around and say
"is 1 + 1 still 2? yes it is"
and then go home and jerk off?

then we had a class on mathematical modeling.

at last i truly see.

>tfw probably going to do a PhD studying yeast prions
>not sure if will end up like OP

>>5756791
I am a Computer Scientist and I am thinking about pursuing a career in maths.

Everyone I know in maths has had great academical success or has shitloads of money (at least at my uni). Either way, I am doing it because I like it.

Why don't you work as a quant or an actuary, faggit?

>>5756547
what's a sigum?

>>5756045
>ITHM
The fuck does that mean?

Is this a really common acronym?

>Got BS in Insurance and Finance two days ago from a god damn state school.
>Have $52k/year job lined up in the city
>received 3 other job offers
>Got almost $10k in scholarships this year
>No debt

All the "God tier sci/math/eng majors" love to belittle business majors and state schools but if you take advantage of your school's resources you will succeed. I'm in better shape than many other college grads.

>>5756934
in the higher mathematics

>>5756278
Do you have any clue how incredibly difficult it is to become a legitimate "quant?" You basically need to be a prodigy.

>>5756017
>"radio-ology teck"
this has to be a joke, it's too funny to be real.

>>5756938
>being a drone in the system that will never contribute anything to society besides taxes

whatever makes you happy bro

>>5756693

yea all the unemployed science/math phds just suck, thanks bro. Most engineering companies only want engineering majors, science and math majors are for niche jobs and not something you should count on.

>>5757123
loan officers and insurance salesman help people everyday, by providing services that allow people to buy houses or protect their assets. you slave away to write autistic little research papers that no one outside of the spergfest that is academia cares about. you STEM nerds need to accept that a great amount (not all) of scientific and mathematical research is thoroughly inconsequential.

>>5757146
>great amount (not all) of scientific and mathematical research is thoroughly inconsequential
The material will have a faster impact if it is simplified into a system that is easily used without understanding all of the mechanics of the system, like calculus without analysis. While denser pieces of mathematics may take decades for society at large to absorb, they are certainly very useful. You can't have leaps in progress without taking the incremental steps that push us forward.

But you already know this and are just baiting the assburgers crowd, so proceed.

>>5757146
Him helping a few people a day vs my research affecting the whole humanity, even after my death.

>>5757173
oh, really? how many times have YOUR research efforts and publications been referenced by people who are actually important? that's what i fucking thought.

Ok I pretty much wasted my first year at university and i have no clue what to do with my life. I don't know what jobs are in demand, and what I can actually achieve.

I pretty much only passed my first year of biology, math and english. I have one psychology course done and one chemistry. I want to maybe do something math related or something physics related?

post what degrees you have and what your job+yearly salary is? Or just say how your life is with that job. I don't want to be homeless /sci/

>>5757212
>Ok I pretty much wasted my first year at university and i have no clue what to do with my life.

TFW haven't taken any exams in the first semester.

I feel bad for the girl, but wtf howw is it possible to not be able to learn remedial algebra if you are actually able and have the time to try once you're old enoigh to be in college.

Is op just not teaching her gud?

>>5757229
>has never met kids from an inner-city underfunded public school system

Logic and critical thinking skills are not encouraged.

>>5756036
I bet the HEV suit obstacle courses were a blast, though.

>>5756685
Then what the fuck do you talk about? The football game? TV shows? Because obviously anything requiring thinking is out of the picture.

>>5756204
And what makes you think that is op? Is it because you are a idiot?

Starving pig eats his shit.

>>5756787
4/10 knew you were trolling but i still raged

I keep falling in love with OP's pic.

>>5757627
I keep getting a biner. Anyone know the sauce?

>>5756204
Of course she is. Everyone on /sci/ is a girl.

>>5756938
>Have HS Diploma in general education
>Spent 1 year in salesforce before becoming a sales manager
>make 50-60k/year
>no student loans
>no debt

Hope you enjoyed wasting your time in school

>>5756420
i don't agree with this characterization of the trades as dead-end jobs.
let's assume you're an Anon with a good head on his shoulders but isn't making it in academia. you decide to get into plumbing, because the irony of letting shit flow so you have a good place to shit is kinda funny to me. here are some very general observations:
1. you'll be good at it - the average plumber-in-training probably isn't very bookish; as such, the curriculum will - as it always does - appeal to the lowest common denominator.
2. you'll be held in high esteem of your coworkers - you'll know how to do your work, and you'll also know things they don't.
3. your competition isn't as tough - this one explains itself
4. upward mobility - you'll have it better than other people and will know more about certain things. who says you can't start your own company?

>dared to go against the advice of all the experts on 4chan
>majored in computer science
>went on to finish my masters in information assurance
>i make more money than you ever will

How did
>PhD in Mathematics
>Any job I want
>300k starting
even start?

>>5757627

Look at all the dead skin on her foot.

-1/10, would reject thrice over.

>>5756938

100k/yr as an engineer in the aerospace industry.

4 years of experience.

Engineering=god tier

Science and Math = poor tier

>>5756961

D.E. Shaw hires prodigies with bachelors degrees.

If you are 15 and have already won a Putnam competition, you can be a quant with no PhD.

>>5758166
you evil shitbag. You make a living by lying, half-lying, and/or withholding relevant information in order to manipulate people into parting with their money over stupid shit they don't need. Fuck you. Your money comes from crap, not advancing the human species or human culture. Die and make room fro the rest of us.

>>5758215

Quantitative finance job postings offering 200k-300k/yr starting that ask for a PhD in math.

>>5756064
>K=O(n)
Great anime or greatest anime?

>>5758204
>still couldnt shake their prediction I'd remain a complete fag.

>>5758255
Hear, hear anon. Fuck these money grubbing plebs. Enjoy getting fat watching tv throughout your listless life sales-fuck.

I guess it just depends on how you apply yourself. Job hunting is the key and most people never learn how to do it.

>>5758323

OP is clearly just defective. You can even see in his post that he's blaming other shit, like his degree, for his problems, and a lot of people on this board encourage it.

>>5756154
What are some good history books on math dealing with engineering? Something to get me more interested in studying for the upcoming FE.

>>5757560
chill. I came from an inner city school(admittedly it was oe of those catholic schools but still..it sucked) and only got a shitty dose of pre algebra. I moved to a mostly white pivate school for high school. I struggled in algebra I a bit but only because my definition of struggling getting Cs one the tests(got only a few Bs). Got a B for the final grade because of final. Plus I know some stupid girls who did not come from inner city(it was an all girl school) and failed.
That bitch is just stupid.

>>5758295
More like shittiest unless you're in to that Moe shit. and you're still a faggot in that vase..or a pedo.

>>5758215
a band of autistic 17 year old /sci/ turds read about 'quants' and their enormous salaries, but ignored that the job markets for quantitative analysts is small and only an option for those with PhDs from prestigious universities in computer science and applied or computationally heavy mathematics/physics.

>>5758255
>autismal basement dweller ragefest
>MUH PURE AND BEAUTIFUL SCIENCE/MATH
>FUCK PEOPLE WHO DO REAL WORK IN THE REAL WORLD

>>5758226
That can be exfoliated away. Easy fix.
She turns me on because she's glowing.

>>5758824
Hey pre med and engineering isn't bad, not to mention computer sci. Stop being but hurt that you suck at math and science.

>>5758226
you actually look at that from the distance? What are you OCD? You sound like you work at a spa. what a faggot.

>>5758844
i graduated in december with a bachelors in math. math and science are autistic wastes of time. engineering, statistics, actuarial sciences, and pre-med/pre-dent/pre-pharm are the only respectable fields of study. everything else is a one way ticket to the poor house.

I was thinking about switching from physics to maths. What the hell do I do now?

>friend loves making graphic banners
life is easy for a retard :DD

>>5756017
Sucks to be you Opie, you should have decided not to be autistic. Realize that money is the only thing that fuels this world, without it your fucked, even with your knowledge in numbers.

>Bachelors in Geology
>100K starting
>work 6 months in a year

>>5758936
well a math teacher as almost the same sets except third the pay

>>5757184
Dude, you're the biggest troll in this whole threat.
What are you even doing in /sci/ when you're too retarded to think properly?

>>5756017
The freshest copypasta....

>pursuing philosophy PhD
>everyone who 'likes' philosophy thinks it is just rattling off Nietzsche quotes
>everyone who understands philsophy makes fun of it

oh well

>>5759017
Have you thought of making up an argumentative fallacy with a latin name for when someone makes fun of you and your philosophy degree?

>>5756017
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOZO0WWULLA

>>5756017
>such is life in academia
>such is life in academia when you're poor and unambitious
Fixd that for you

>>5758874
Well not all are autistic (you sound like a hatter again) but if you're good at research and have phd you can get into a good research area in a pharmaceutical company and make money. Or if you're smart in general and get with a good research firm. How can you say it's a "complete" waste of time when research by scientists are the reason why you have half the shit you have?