/sci/ - Science & Math

In the future we may move all humans off earth to save the planet, and preserve it. But for now, small scale such as this is pointless.

>Replying after reading only the first line
I think it's retarded and the only people who get turned on by it are obviously and obliviously uneducated.

I still don't understand what use a Martian colony could have. I mean, the asteroid mining, that will eventually be workable, but why Mars?

From http://mars-one.com/en/mission/risks-and-challenges:

"Mars One identifies two major risk categories: the loss of human life and cost overruns."

<100 words on the risk to human life
<150 words on the risk of cost overruns

And we're supposed to take them seriously?

>mars colony
>not being excited

come on you debbie downers
it's not like you know those people who might die or overrun their costs

>>5749472
But what purpose does the Mars colony serve, why not wait 20 years and just worry about asteroids and other obviously useful things?

There's no economic benefit though and the cost of leaving would far outweigh the income.

Humans will never leave earth, only our machines aka final step in human evolution.

I think colonization of Mars is absolutely brilliant. I hope we can achieve it in my lifetime. However, Mars One is a fucking stupid proposition for doing it.

They have a ridiculous timetable, fail to demonstrate appreciation of the challenges involved, no references to peer-reviewed research, and the notion that sending average people on an interplanetary colonization mission is totally absurd. I also don't like the idea of turning it into a "Reality TV show", as this could be damaging to the public perception of space travel, especially if it fails, which it has a pretty high chance of doing.

Personally, I hope Mars One fails before it has the chance to get off the ground.

I hate to bring up NdGT, but one of his books, I forget which, provides interesting insight on why private industry will never be the first to pioneer space. Too expensive, not a known quantity of profit(especially in this case). When I read it, I thought it was pretty interesting to think about.

It's a one way trip. Fuck. That.

In truth, I think technology will advance enough to change that, but still.
Who the fuck would want to go live with some assholes on Mars until death for a fucking TV show?

>>5749501
If we make it to mars we are one step closer to the asteroid belt.

It's a one-way trip, right?

>>5749507
>our machines aka final step in human evolution
What did you just say mate?

>>5749553

>5749521

This guy again. I would actually take a one-way ticket to Mars in an instant. If the one-way ticket was for a sensible and well-planned mission, that is.

It's bullshit.

It's a group of people who have hyped it up, all they have is an idea and a website.

Does anyone even know who is behind it?

>>5749593
OP

They mention the ever-present cameras way too much for my liking.

The most stupid idea i've ever heard. Why would someone like to live in a place with lower gravity than earth? They will unevolve there, homo martianis will become weak and their species will be enslaved by the humans from earth.

>>5749750
exactly what i was going to say

It's certain that if we send that many people to Mars, and privately funded no less, that we will contaimate Mars. Basically this mission will be the European colonization of the Americas.

>>5749399
Gravity.

We have thousands of years worth of technological development that works almost exclusively with gravity.

If we push aside the bullshit of that group pretending they would ever get there in the first place

It would be a waste of time, there needs to be a global mars Terraformation plan in action to sustain long term colonies long before people go.

>>5749399

Second habitable area, for which could be a forward hard base (As opposed to an orbital base) for launches to other parts of the solar system (Lower gravity).

>>5749399
Why wouldn't you? Perfect enviorment for the human species to continue to survive and reproduce in, seeing as how we can craft it to our desire from almost scratch.

>>5748758
>>Contracts
They don't have contracts, they have lists of 'potential suppliers' on their website
http://mars-one.com/en/partners/suppliers

And they only have two technical staff with the rest PR people:

http://mars-one.com/en/about-mars-one/team

Plagiarized from here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/1d2siy/mars_one_opens_applications_for_oneway_ticket_to/c9mg9gl?context=1

>$30 reregistration fee
>70,000 applications in first few weeks
>final astronauts will be decided by a "reality TV
show"

It's sounding more and more like a scam each day. I hope it turns out to be real.

Everything built by their explorers is the property of the organization. The organization's long term funding plan is to turn the whole thing into reality TV.

It's just novel corporatism, there's no potential for the colony to benefit mankind even if it succeeds.

>>5752073
Due to the differing orbits of the planets, such a forward base wouldn't even be where it would be most useful most of the time

>>5752114
Making $2.1 million in two weeks is impressive, they're probably very pleased with themselves. Even most scamstarters don't manage that.

>>5749705
so that viewers on earth can enjoy watching them killing each other over food or females

>>5752114
the $30 is the kicker for me. It's bullshit, why would it require a fee? When you apply, you're essentially sending in your resume for why you're applicable for the position. I have NEVER had to pay to send me resume in for any position.

Why would even open this up to everyone? For a mission to mars surely you'd want astronauts first and foremost, or people from academic fields, engineering, medicine etc, NOT neckbeards who to imagine being in an episode of star trek and who's greatest accomplishment was finally getting to lv 80!

i got one thing to say
Cabin fever
that's right, shit's gonna get Shinning

>Why go on Mars One?
>Because of this reason:
>>5754999
>>5754999
>>5754999

>>5749413
That's the shit for the public to see. Quick little bytes of information that'll satisfy curious onlookers.

I'm pretty sure they're not going to put the important details people like you and me are interested in on their website designed to capture the interest and imagination of the public.

>>5749501
Having life on another planet kinda gives humanity collateral if anything should happen to Earf.

>>5749501
The technology we get out of this will probably help us tremendously on later space habitats.

>>5752218
Never heard of college applications, have you?

Pretty sure the 30 dollar fee might also be there to prevent assholes from sending in junk resumes and make sure that the only people sending in resumes are people that actually care and are actually interested.

Also, it makes sense that an organization looking to do something as expensive as this is going to go for every opportunity they can to get money.

>>5752158
Also sex. Low gravity sex. I'm guessing they'll walk in front of the cameras naked when they get bored enough and do other retarded things that humans do when they get too much attention.

>>5755034
>>5755037
Sure. But it will become much cheaper if we wait 20 years to advance in AI, robotics, energy and communication technologies, no?

Do the humans on Mars even have a chance in hell of surviving on Mars without us being able to resupply their asses if we magically blow up?

>>5749750
>>5750086
>you two knuckleheads thinking that evolving is all about physiological features.

your combined stupidity will be noted.

>>5749750
They will get bombarded by a shit ton of radiation, have lower reproductive rates, more cancer and other debilitating diseases, weaker bones and muscles. Unless you can create an artificial environment for raising kids Mars would suck.

>>5748758
It's way too messy. They still have to plan some kind of police force, find a way to mine so they actually have some kind of building material to build with, find out how to treat Martian soil so it'll actually be able to grow some kind of useful plant without poisoning it, they'll need to be able to unload and set up sensitive equipment like (fairly new) water resupplying technologies, and if any sufficiently hardy contamination makes it from Earth to Mars, it may actually threaten research opportunities along with the people in the colony.

>>5755092
Aye, it's about adaptation to the environment. The ones fittest to survive in a colony like that will actually depend on its government. A stupid mistake might be natural selection, but what about a noble sacrifice? Without any natural predator besides the environment, their politics would play a big role in how the first Martian race would end up...

>>5755092
>>5755208
>Evolution
>Not about becoming the most versatile organism in the universe to survive in all the existing environments

>>5755237
With the sheer scope of the universe, that would be closer to intelligent design (by our own intelligence).

Sure, we became the dominant species on Earth, but our dominance doesn't even extend to the oceans or the poles. We're not made to survive there, let alone elsewhere in the Universe.

Natural evolution tries bringing us to the top of our current environment. Unnatural evolution, the kind that we humans will most likely do to ourselves if we live long enough, would be the ultimate-apex evolution you're pointing out.

Back on topic, Martians will probably be mostly killed off by radiation. Any survivors who can have children would probably lose the child before the first trimester. If any child actually lives, you have a step forward in Martian evolution, but I doubt anything even as far as survivors who can have children would happen. If it did, the child would be a miracle in cancer and radiation resistance, but the child would be physically weak, only a little less so if they make the kid work. That's natural, non-universal selection.

If its allowed to proceed to launch it will result in the deaths of 4 people.

>>5755294
Do you think the kid will have a big head and gray skin?

Could it be the /x/ was right about the aliens and they are just human martians from the future?

>>5755116
>Unless you can create an artificial environment for raising kids Mars would suck.
Considering the kids will be forced to live in a tin can - and you can bet they won't allow it to euthanize itself once it realized the shittiness of its situation - I think that's actually pretty evil.

>>5755467
I never said anything like that. Some people DO fare better than others in irradiated environments; chemotherapy works better for some people than others.

Only the people who fare the best would be able to have children in the first place, so most kids there would essentially be human beings born with (inherited) radiation resistance and (environmental) physical weakness from living in lower gravity. Their bodies just wouldn't need the strength we normally use to keep us on our feet in Earth's gravity.

Now, go back to /x/. You wouldn't know its theories about Martians if you hadn't been there.

>>5755544
As depressing as it might be for us, it would be the only life they know..

>>5755558
I think I would be fine with it if it were truly voluntary. As in, the kids know where the suicide pills are stashed...

>>5755559
That doesn't help with infant mortality though.

I guess humanity always makes children suffer without consent. The question is, what for. I mean, what is supposed to be the goal of this process.

>>5755568
>I mean, what is supposed to be the goal of this process.

To maximize orgasms in the universe, obviously.

does Mars even have a magnetic field?
how is this a good idea?

>>5756587

Mars does have a magnetic field, but it's extremely weak for a planet. It's 10000 (10^-4) times as strong as Earth's, at its maximum. Early probe attempts at detecting it were simply unsuccessful, since it was that weak. This conclusion came around 1989.

The solar wind breaking around Mars pretty much breaks around Mars' atmosphere from pure friction. THAT is how weak its magnetic field is.

>>5756641

Uh, correction: 1/10000 times as strong (10^-4).

If someone were to get seriously injured while in mars or en route the entire colony would be screwed. Or if the ship missed mars altogether and the crew is flying helplessly threw space waiting to die of either starvation, dehydration, or lack of oxygen. this is a catastrophe waiting to happen.

On the other hand we may learn quite a bit from this foolish endeavor.

>>5757278
I don't think they're planning it so they're dependent on every crew member. In fact, it sounds like if one crew member dies, the others will just be able to last longer on what they brought. In the beginning, the crew is pretty much just cargo for the automated systems, and any work they're doing won't be very necessary for their own survival.

On the other hand, if the program gets cancelled, they'd probably die when a required resupply doesn't come.

>>5748758
its a little premature for my likely maybe they should do something like the ISS on, or orbiting the moon, before going all the way to mars.

>>5748758
>78,000 people wanting to be apart of this.
You mean 77,500 people who have gone to the website, and submitted their email address as potentially interested. After you open that email, you pay the $30 to send the resume etc.
On my phone, so I can't link to the article, but they said only about 200-500 people have gone the next step and paid.