/sci/ - Science & Math

Take an IQ test. If your result is lower than 150, you are not qualified.

Just try to study science and/or math. Don't give up early on. If after some time you just can't, then you're probably better off studying something else.

>>5436879
learn the basics then do like 1/2-1 tab of lsd while reviewing in most prefered form

>>5436891
Well by that time you've already invested so much in it

Practice makes perfect.

>>5437177
I firmly believe that with enough practice most people can succeed in any discipline of science. Determination and passion are rarer and more important than innate intelligence.

>>5436883
Fuck off.

>>5437187

So many times this. This is what makes all the difference.

>>5436879
Would a physicist/mathematician not need to be quite inventive though?

If you can coast through high school with regards to science and math and get good marks then you're fine just work for uni.

unless you're American

>>5437187
>>5437233

Makes the difference but natural ability plays a large roll too.

This is one of the questions I'm being forced to face. I'm finishing up my degree with a good 1st, but I don't think I have the drive to do any more physics and maths so I've not applied for anything postgrad. I'm good academically, but I'm not intelligent enough to make any breakthroughs. But, what do I do now? What can you do with just a masters of physics?

>>5437275

did you learn for the sake of learning or did you learn for the sake of a job?

>>5437275
Maybe you need a different kind of intelligence to make breakthroughs and insights

Creativity, imagination

Do you daydream a lot?

>>5437281
the former, but my motivation has just dried up.
>>5437283
i don't know if i daydream a lot, but i sure do waste a lot of time on the internet.

>>5437288

Looks like you need to recharge then.

Take a 1 year break. Go do things you wanted to try, travel about, look at the world for inspiration.

Find something you want to learn more about and take it up at uni or further your degree after a good rest.

>>5437187
Alright I'll go for it, I'll live/eat/sleep physics from here on out, and apply to any uni that will take me to do physics

>>5437281
reminds me of the other day. I bought a universe from nothing and a brief history of time because i recently became interested in astrophysics. My brother and mother both said it was a waste of money because i didnt get good enough grades in high school to go to collage or university anyway(i was a depressed loser). They just dont understand.

>>5437292
thanks for the advice

>>5437306

It happens to everyone. Just need to step back and walk away from it for a little while give yourself some time. If you really hunger to do it you'll always come back

if you like it you'll do fine.

OP, when it comes to science and math, you have to really try to do it. But once you try, and find out you can't do something, it's probably better not to do it anymore. You are clearly not intelligent enough if you have difficulty.

>>5437304
good on ya.
at least you have a genuine interest in learning and the sciences; most people can go thru college and never have any interest at all, only to live the rest of their adult lives in ignorance.

>>5436879
just find something to study that feels natural to you

This thread is depressing to me...to see so many people doubting their own abilities when it's the people stupid enough to not doubt their abilities that end up getting everything done and becoming our governors.

>>5437425

>>5437273
natural ability helps, sure, and I won't deny it exists. but I agree with that poster very strongly that just the motivation and drive to do well in any field of science can get you a career in the field. You might not be the next Hawking or Sagan but given lots of effort and drive invested you can make a decent living doing what you love, if what you love is science.

>>5437497
A lot of disgruntled failed physicists would disagree with you. You can read their bleak outlook on getting a physics related career all over the place online

You need to be really good looking and self confident like these Stanford math students. Wall St. wants the lookers.

http://math.stanford.edu/photos/students/index.html

>>5437500
source me some?

>>5437530
>not sure if serious

>>5437425
>>5436879

There is no such thing as a "math stat" which you have to roll a d20 to pass a science/math course.
There is only enthusiasm, dedication and time spent studying/thinking about the subject.
No matter how much "talent" anyone has, it will, at best, only help in the first month of his math studies.

As long as you keep at it, no matter how long it takes to understand somethin, you will make it.

If you want, read a few books about metamathematics to get a feel for what you can expect from actual math, as opposed to calculating, the stuff that passed as math in highscool.
I recommend: "How to solve it" by Polya, "Creative mathematics" by Hardy and "Reading, writing and prooving" and "How to prove it" by someone whose name I cant remember.

>>5437187
This.

Who the fuck would want to major in math and be stuck in a cubicle worth those hideous Stanford students.

Rebecca Bellovin, my queen.

>>5437530
>Sara Kalisnik

I'm gay but even I can see she's pretty.

It's not a question of intelligence, it's a question of being able to concentrate and work hard on abstract problems for hours at a time.

>>5437649
>There is no such thing as a "math stat" which you have to roll a d20 to pass a science/math course.
Bullshit, as a Sorcerer with a Mathemagician specialization I get a natural 12 points in "Math"
Graphing calculator is a +4
Computer with access to Mathematica is a +8
You also gain +1 points for each subject you learn.

>in totality
>seemingly spontaneous evolution of self-aware organisms with brains, consciousness, feelings, ability to reason
>"oh no how will we learn a subject that was designed by humans for humans?"

Y'all need perspective, that's all.

bump

You must have the desire to Science.
That is the foremost and probably the only requirement.

>>5436929
lol

why?

does it give you a passion to learn more?

i kind of had that happen to me

>>5437726
would you can make it work even if you rely on something like caffeine?

>>5438807
If caffeine helps you to concentrate, sure.

>>5437726
>it's a question of being able to concentrate and work hard on abstract problems for hours at a time
how in the world do you people bring yourself to do that?

>>5439132
practice.
I remember the first few weeks of college (the first time I had to actually learn in my life), at first I would get sleepy as soon as I hit the books.
Or I would suddenly find the scratch pattern on the table fascinating, or start doodling for hours.
But over time I got better.
Now I can study for hours on end without having to try much, as soon as the subject isnt completely alien.