/sci/ - Science & Math

Oh good, let's bring intolerance with us to a new planet as one of the founding precepts.

This guy sounds like a cunt.

>>5429340

I think it's more viability.

But yeah guys a cunt

>>5429340
>Founded tesla motors
>Borrowed billions from goverment

yep hes an asshole all right

>>5429348
oil?

>>5429340
But he's a rich cunt, don't you forget that.

>>5429358
>I was born on money
Big fuckin deal

>>5429340
might just be for ease of feeding. keeping livestock is actually pretty difficult in a closed system.
it's way easier just to do vegetarian everything

look at it this way, at least he isn't vegan

>>5429375
>Mars
>closed system

>>5429348
>The whole EU's accomplishments amount to the same as South Korea
Lel
And to the Yurofriends, do you honestly like being grouped in with every other European country?

>>5429382
>mars settlement
>enclosed settlement
>closed system
yeah, i would say so

>>5429383
>comparing the LHC and spacecraft to a toy robot and cellphones
lel

>>5429383
>>5429391
If you seperate europe the image will be too big you faggots

I doubt it has anything to do with his vegetarian preference (if he even has one) and more about the viability and sustainability of keeping livestock with the colony. Takes a lot of extra water to sustain livestock and the crops to sustain the livestock.

>>5429340

You mean...

YOU DON'T THINK NIGGERS ARE COCKROACHES?

go back to /x/

>as long as the inhabitants are vegetarians.
Elon Musk confirmed for 2nd coming of Hitler.

>vegetarian
>tfw you're allergic to most things that are high in protein that aren't meat

>>5429391
>>5429383
Gentlemen, gentlemen, please. We mussn't fight amongst ourselves, that wasn't the point of that image now was it?

>>5429335
Sounds pragmatic, along with cannibalism. He founded SpaceX to make this happen.

fuck paypal

>>5429335

I agree with the Must - getting a colony with vegetarians would be pretty nice - albeit pretty boring and to be honest it would unsustainable. The parents might be able to refrain from meat - but assuming no animals will be brought to mars I don't know if their children or their great grandchildren will follow in their footsteps.

I should say though that being rich means nothing (tough to say on 4chan). There have been innumerable wealthy people who have walked the earth but there is more to it then how much money you have in your bank account (although that helps).

I also would not listen to Russia Today; they make money of being sensationalist.

>perfect synthetic meat
>anyone who continues to be a vegetarian is confirmed for insane cultist

ITT: People think that he insists that its vegetarians only because of his personal views and not the fact that trying to ship animals to Mars is going to be fucking hard.

>>5429523
>has billions of dollars
>can and will ship human animals
>refuses to ship other animals
clearly he's a human supremacist that doesn't want any other species to colonize another planet.

>>5429520
unless of course meat is deemed as undoubtedly unhealthy.

YOU STUPID FUCKS

In the actual interview he said that whoever goes in the first wave might have to eat only plants that can be grown there until animals are brought in later waves. HE NEVER EVEN MENTIONED BEING VEGETARIAN. Who the fuck believes that russian shit? Fuck, he eats meat, you tards

>rt.com
Not even once.

>>5429348
Why the fuck is an American spacecraft under the EU?

>>5429550
Are you fucking retarded?

he can't afford to grow cows on mars. so he needs to know tha the people he sends can live cow free no complaints. there is no controversy here

https://twitter.com/elonmusk
Elon Musk @elonmusk

Also, I am not the kale eating overlord of Mars (altho kale has its moments)

Elon Musk @elonmusk

To be super clear, I don't wish to (nor could I) mandate anything about a Mars Colony. Am just working on the tech to get people there.

Elon Musk @elonmusk

But if humanity wishes to become a multi-planet species, then we must figure out how to move millions of people to Mars.

Elon Musk @elonmusk

And, yes, I do in fact know that this sounds crazy. That is not lost on me. Nor I do think SpaceX will do this alone.

Elon Musk @elonmusk

Millions of people needed for Mars colony, so 80k+ would just be the number moving to Mars per year

>>5429585
Get out. Just get out.

Richard Branson (the founder of Virgin Galactic) is British, dipshit.

These threads are shit.

>>5429589
>Millions of people needed for Mars colony, so 80k+ would just be the number moving to Mars per year
That's alot of rocket launches.

It would be difficult as fuck to raise livestock on mars so early. That's why.

>>5429591
Im starting to think that /sci/ is incapable of having an intelligent discussion.

>>5429586
It's a joke

>>5429594
that's why they're building a fully reusable rocket. google grasshopper 12 story test flight, watch the video. it can take off then land again. all the stages of the final rocket will do that.

>>5429597
thatsthejoke.jpeg

>>5429600
>inb4 it pulls a shuttle and costs a shit load of money to maintenance while on the ground

...So, how does one build a city on another planet? That's a LOT of launches to get all the materials up there. Not to mention if your oxygen machine or whatever is generating the air there breaks, your entire city is pretty fucked. Even if an evacuation could happen, the panic ensuing from trying to do so would kill probably kill dozens.

Also why's this being done for Mars and not the Moon? Is it because Mars has water? Is it the gravity? Both? Neither?

>>5429604
good point. however unlike nasa, spacex is a lot more focused on making their rockets affordable. the falcon 9 is produced a lot more cheaply the similar rockets already.

>>5429608
I think Mars has more potential and better self-sustainability. The Moon is closer but Mars is better overall.

>>5429608
mars has more gravity, easier on the body. mars also has some atmosphere, not a lot but some.

most of the fuel involved is spent escaping the gravity well of earth. so the cost benefits of the moon aren't as great as you might think.

there are many reasons to go mars over the moon, google it i'm sure you can find some. the general consensus of the scientific community seems to be that mars is a better place to settle long term.

>>5429608

As far as habitability goes, the moon is basically a rock. No oxygen, no water, negligible atmosphere, and one sixth gravity. Mars doesn't have oxygen, but it has a lot of subsurface ice that could be tapped for a water supply, it actually has something resembling an atmosphere, and it has one third gravity, which is easier on the body. Additionally, the first colony will be a scientific one - there is a lot of science that can be done on Mars, more than the moon, especially when you take Mars' past history as a warm, wet planet into account.

Now, building a city - lightweight objects, and using what's there. I imagine a lot of the buildings would be constructed from local rock, in which case you just need to transport the equipment and not the materials as well. There's also the option of putting things underground, which has the added bonus of a) a consistent climate, and b) protection from solar radiation (since Mars' lack of a magnetosphere is one of the few issues that terraforming probably couldn't fix without huge, large-scale engineering).

As for the vegetarian question, it's simply a matter of practicality. To feed livestock, it takes a hell of a lot of resources - land, food, and water - for what amounts to very little food, and it'd be far more practical to use the land and water they do have to make food for themselves. Plus, by the time this happens, there's the distinct possibility of lab-grown meat, meaning they could just whip up a steak in situ without having to transport cows, food and water for them, and slaughterhouse facilities. If you want sustainable, easy-to-maintain, easy-to-transport meat, you're basically stuck with mealworms...

>>5429590
He funded it, but it was built by American engineers in an American skunkworks.

>>5429688

Americunt trying to claim as much credit as possible. The reason its done in the US is because there is a space industry there, dipshit.

Irony: Elon Musk is South African. Doesn't look like amerifats are even trying.

>>5429695
>reason its done in the US is because there is a space industry there
well there you go then, proved my point

>>5429671

+1

>>5429695
But with all honesty Elon has gotten a bit of help with Spacex here in America.

>>5429695
>implying this wasn't a result of of an american spaceshipone

>>5429335
>as long as the inhabitants are vegetarians
I always thought that goes without saying. Those who seek luxury products don't become pioneers colonizing wastelands in the first place.

>>5429671
>No oxygen, no water
1. Are you seriously only counting free elements?
2. It's not a pissing contest. Both Mars and Luna will be important. The former as a colony, the latter as an industrial zone.

>>5429520
Meat is fine if it comes not from once alive being.

>>5429340
>Oh good, let's bring intolerance with us to a new planet as one of the founding precepts.
Itolerance towards Speciesists is a smart thing, even though I believe this measure is born out of necessity.

The assholes who believe that inferior lifeforms can be rightfully enslaved or murdered can stay on Earth. In Europe, people with the exact same racist mindset are already ravaging Germany, UK, Norway and France. And the citizens do not even dare to protest because they fear to be accused of intolerance...

God damn, some of you are so fucking retarded.

>>5429739
>some

I really don't care if it's a vegan paradise as long as we colonize it.

>>5429728
No, but extracting useable amounts would take a lot of energy. Oxygen will be the same no matter where you are, but adding in water for the moon will be highly energy-intensive.

It will be important, absolutely, but the topic is colonies. And Mars is the better choice there.

>mfw the source is Russia Today
>mfw this average tardgumnet is caused by made up shit

>>5429734
shit like that will be the doom of mankind, once you start extending rights to other lifeforms. humans have the right to manage all resources, be they live or not, so as to best ensure their continued survival. there'll be an entire thread about this.

>>5429751
>implying that all too often the US media isn't beholden to domestic political power.

>>5429752
> once you start extending rights to other lifeforms. humans have the right to manage all resources
Not sure if I understand you correctly. Don't we manage all resources already anyway?

>>5429755

>implying that American media not being credible somehow makes RT a more trustworthy 'news' source

>>5429759

yes, but some people take issue with some people managing the internal and external organs as well as the labor products of certain animals.

>>5429383
Image would become too big otherwise.

>>5429422
Your shitty genes will die out.

>>5429504
Just remember that by this time we have made it possible for a humans to survive on a different planet. I think we'll be able to move past the nutritional issues of not having meat in our diet by then, we're already pretty close.

>>5429523
Not to mention that the meat industry is fucking Earth and it's inhabitants over.
Growing some balls and saying no to an addict is the best way to stop an addiction. They can either quit their shitty habit or die on Earth.

It's not the economics or ethics that he's saying this.

It's his way to kickstart the terraforming process.

80,000 vegetarians will produce a thick methane atmosphere on Mars in approximately 10 years.

All that methane will cause a powerful greenhouse cycle, heating up the planet, which in turn releases water and other volatiles from the permafrost.

Then he just needs to seed the resulting seas and mires with cyanobacteria, which will release oxygen.

Part of the oxygen will react with the methane, removing it from the atmosphere, stabilizing the greenhouse effect.

The only problem I see is that no one will want to live on a planet whose atmosphere is made up almost solely of farts.

America wouldn't allow this. They'd have to get their first with a spaceship full of cows and chickens.

>>5429594
doesn't it cost like $2500 to $3000 for each pound you launch into space?
An extra 80k+ in personnel a year, over multiple years, Is a lot of expense for a project that won't generate any revenue... except for the inevitable tourism.

>>5429803
If he wanted to do that, he'd encourage the exact opposite, that everyone eats like a Texan cowboy, since cattle raising is one of the biggest methane emitters in the world.

>>5429816
Musk will cut launch prices by 90%

>>5429822
Why ship in cows, when you can have vegetarians that do the exact same thing, but can also work on the colony?

>>5429816
I suppose that's why they try to improve space travel and make it more effecient.
I don't know about instant repercussions but it will surely leads to new scientific discoveries.
It will probably teach us many things about geophysics, climate, ...
It will need many research on robotics, on closed ecological system and so on
For me I think it's a great way to boost those reseach by adding dream in it.

>>5429335
>Elon Musk, has made plans to build a settlement for 80,000 people on Mars when technology makes it possible for man to live there.

>He basically ignores that Mars has next to no magnetosphere meaning surface life will never be human friendly.

Chances are if this ever came to pass it would be a large interconnected sealed settlement or completely underground, either way it will suck. It's gonna be like living in NASA's version of The Projects with a bunch of aspie, antisocial, sperglords and fewer (ugly) women to go around than usual.

That could lead to rampant crime (all you need is something sharp), insane levels of video/data monitoring of citizens and reproduction/privacy laws that would make China seem liberal. Sound fun yet?

Luckily Elon is just feeding your Startrek fantasies with a little bullshit advertising for something he has no intentions of ever building. It would be insanely expensive more than a Chinese Megacity.today.

>>5429839
Too edgy for me.

>>5429839
>anon posts emo bullshit
Luckily you won't have to go to Mars, you can imagine depressing shit here too.
Oh, you already did?

Well, time to get to cutting then. You have my knife.

>>5429839
>He basically ignores that Mars has next to no magnetosphere meaning surface life will never be human friendly.

And you basically ignore that atmospheric attenuation of radiation is more important than a magnetosphere. A lack of magnetosphere means that solar wind can slowly strip away the outer atmosphere and nothing else really

Luckily, Musk is the one holding the cash and visions, not you. Also, he have competent scientists and engineers on his team to correct whatever he get wrong, whereas you don't evenbother with wikipedia

>>5429854
>>5429857
I'm just realistic about the challenges of settling a hostile planet like Mars. 80,000 people barely get along on Earth under the very best circumstances, transplanting them all to Mars will just make things much, much harder in every conceivable way on all of them.

It would be nice to jump 3x times higher and run much faster in an alien wasteland, but wouldn't the reduced gravity of Mars eventually prevent you from returning to earth?
Wouldn't your progeny be unable to return to their home-world?

>>5429794
considering how vegetarians live longer on average i'd say we're already there. amino acids aren't rocket science. rice and beans, quinoa, fucking algae. complete proteins aren't difficult to figure out.

having all our eggs in one basket seems a poor idea for the longterm

99.9% of all species to have ever existed on this planet went extinct, just saiyan

>>5429869
That's good news but Mars still won't have a human friendly atmosphere for centuries even once terraforming begins (whenever that is). So the rest of my post stands.

>>5429884
actually mars can be terraformed. but after a million years all that oxygen will have bled off into space. so we'd have to terraform it again and again every million years or so. something like that. its not a dealbreaker, just a pain

Wonder how mad /sci/ will be when few mudslimes demand a place in mars colony

>>5429933
would be fine if they were atheists lololoolololollol

>only vegetarians and atheists allowed
oh i wish

actually no... the smugness would be overwhelming

>>5429348
where's China in that picture?

>>5429943
> implying 90% of them wouldn't have a mental breakdown after realizing they've got nothing positive to identify themselves with other than traits universal to their environment.

It's hard to be a smug bottom-class shit recycling worker.

>>5429961
>bottom-class shit recycling worker.
a bottom-class shit recycling worker ON MARS

they can always look down at earthers. 8-9 billion people to feel superior to for even the lowliest vegetarian atheist martian

>>5429961
>bottom-class shit recycling worker
those would be robots

>having a malthusian crisis on mars
you know it's gonna happen. we can't control ourselves even in such a clearcut situation of life and death.

nevertheless i do feel we have to try. and somehow, eventually, we'll find a way to make it work. we have to, we need the baskets

inb4 some people on the colony realise that they really need meat, and decide to start eating their fellow colonists.

>rebellion and cannibalism rolled into one

it's just PR, you dumbfucks. Every rich cunt talks about space exploration today because it's trendy. Their millions ain't gonna buy them space hotel, and developing needed technology will take far more resources then any of these shits have. Also you can't just start making space ships and habitats with your dollars, it's a hard work that requires entire engineering bureaus.

Elon Musk++

Go veggie fags

Isn't mars gravity extremly low? like 0.3g? hasn't it been proved that long period of time in low gravity environment have a serious effect on health?
What did they plan about that?

>>5430084
There's data on microgravity, but no data on long-term life in low gravity.

If there are effects, they can build a centrifuge and adjust their diets to compensate.

>as long as the inhabitants are vegetarians.
Nope. No space colonization for me.

>>5430043 >it's just PR, you dumbfucks. Every rich cunt talks about space exploration today because it's trendy. Their millions ain't gonna buy them space hotel, and developing needed technology will take far more resources then any of these shits have. Also you can't just start making space ships and habitats with your dollars, it's a hard work that requires entire engineering bureaus.

Luckily for Elon he's a billionaire with his very own space engineering business.

You were saying?

>>5429335
>germans, murricans and swedish
why would you want to ruin Mars so quickly?

>>5430176
I'm guessing OP is an engineer.

>>5430146
a space engineering business that builds its own rockets in house with a design developed from scratch in only a few years. now resupplying the international space station with the most affordable rockets in the world. while testing a reusable rocket system. and headed by a man who is clearly and truly passionate for real about making the species multiplanetary. and he has the balls, the expertise, the people, the money, and the spaceships to make it happen.

i have more faith in elon musk getting us to mars then anyone else right now. if it happens in our lifetimes, it's happening with spacex

First thorium reactors and now this.

ITS HAPPENING!!!

>>5430200
>I have more faith in elon musk getting us to mars then anyone else right now.

Really? Because NASA has an avatar on Mars as we speak doing experiments. I like Elon but he's yet to do anything that NASA hasn't done for decades on end. He's literally making milk runs for the real explorers.

>>5430200
This. SpaceX has already made history by being the first privately-funded company - in the world - to successfully fulfill missions. Like it or not, SpaceX is right at the front of a new space race - private companies getting satellites and equipment into space, working on getting people up there. If we wait for NASA to get us even back to the moon, we'll be waiting for a damn long time, unfortunately - NASA's budget is pocket money, and they have a ton of other projects to work on at the same time (nearly all of them are worthy, don't get me wrong, I'm seriously excited for the JWST even if it IS overbudget!). SpaceX? Can seek funding from sources other than just the government, and can focus ALL of its resources on making humanity a multi-planet species.

When they say they have plans for Mars missions? Best to listen.

>>5429884
>So the rest of my post stands.
No it doesn't, because your vision is retarded. You don't start a colony in any manner as shallow as that. Lets pick it apart shall we.

>large interconnected sealed settlement
This is retarded, a sealed settlement makes sense for an experiment, not for a colony, and absolutely not for a colony that's also a scientific exploration expedition.
> or completely underground
Because it's totally much easier to send an entire fucking two thousand tonne drill to mars than it is to send fifty five thousand inflatable homes.

>That could lead to rampant crime (all you need is something sharp)
Because crime is only murder and totally everyone on mars would go homicidal. More likely, the worst crime will be someone brewing beer, and another guy stealing cookies. The Cookie thief will be punished by a youtube video and ridicule by the 7 billion humans on earth, the beer brewing criminal will be punished by everyone drinking his beer, along with being charged with the foundation of the first martian brewery.

> insane levels of video/data monitoring of citizens
And they'll totally just agree with this, because one would of course be appointed president of mars and walk around with thugs and beat everyone that decides to tape over any cameras in their living quarters. Or maybe earth will send a police ship to fine them. Oh terrible.
> reproduction/privacy laws
And what government would be there to enforce these?

What would happen is that the people on mars, when not doing scientific work for earth, would figure out how to use the local mars resources and the supply they brought with them to start the self-sufficiency cycle. As more equipment and people arrive from earth, this self sufficiency would go even further.

You're not going to lock any colonists into a fascist box and keep them there as a pretty trophy.
>"Oh look, we have people on mars!"
>"awesome, what are they doing?"
>"sitting in a doorless box all day!"

>>5430236
>fifty five thousand inflatable homes.
That sounds extraordinarily expensive.

>the worst crime will be someone brewing beer, and another guy stealing cookies

In a colony of 80,000 people on an alien planet you think this is the worse that can happen? That's just ignoring reality. If they built this thing without a jail and a standing police force I would laugh long and hard.

>The Cookie thief will be punished by a youtube video.

.....What?

>the beer brewing criminal will be punished by everyone drinking his beer, along with being charged with the foundation of the first martian brewery.

How old are you?

>And what government would be there to enforce these?

None, thats the point. You would only have the rights they give you. No country would have any real claim over how a private colony was run on another planet. You would have to follow the company line in all matters.

>You're not going to lock any colonists into a fascist box and keep them there as a pretty trophy.

I hope not, but worse has happened over far, far less. 80,000 people can easily lead to boiling tensions over any number of issues. I really don't get why people assume all thats just gonna stop when we build a shitty town on some red dirt.

They would have to bring animals with them because a vegan diet is unsustainable and a vegetarian diet is not much better either.

It would be disastrous to put that many people cut off from anything but vegetarian food sources and expect a long term healthy population.

>>5430318
>80,000 people can easily lead to boiling tensions over any number of issues.

I missed the part where the number of people were to be 80k, I was talking about a smaller number. Anyway

80k people won't just materialize on the red planet and be left to fight eachother, they'l start with a colony of 5-10 people, then add twice that, then another twenty, then maybe an influx of 50 at a time for a while, then a few hundred at a time. By the time you've reached 80k people, you've spent a long fucking time on mars, or had an extreme rate of immigration.

If they shipped 500 people to mars per year, and kept this rate up for 50 years, you'd still only have 25k people. Even if the male/female balance is perfect, and every pair gets two kids, you're still only up to 50k people.

I live in a small quite isolated region of 50k people, I don't really see the potential for people going mad.

>>5430333
>It would be disastrous to put that many people cut off from anything but vegetarian food sources and expect a long term healthy population.

They could eat insects.

>implying i give a shit
it's Mars

Problems will happen, that's inevitable. But does that mean that we shouldn't do it because of a small chance of riots? What would have happened if the spanish, english, french, etc thought of this and didn't set colonies.? Murrica wouldn't be there

I think this is a project like the orbital elevator, possible but difficult, expensive and with other problems. But it's good to hear someone wit money is talking about doing it. Iwant to believe him.

>>5430333

Chemicals are chemicals, as long as you make sure you get the right ingredients it doesn't matter whether they come from meat.

>>5430336

I wonder how long we would be able to keep insects off of Mars.

>>5430429
> Chemicals are chemicals, as long as you make sure you get the right ingredients it doesn't matter whether they come from meat.
vegan fantasies, animal bodies already produce the chemicals we need, why get so convoluted about it when the problem has already been solved by nature, it's why we have sharp teeth in addition to grinding teeth, for eating flesh

>>5430336
That's how many vegetarians sustain themselves already, even if they don't know it.
There are always small insects or insects bits gathered in crops.

>>5430446

Because living with a cow on a rocket for 7 months would start to stink.

Humans are not required to do things that other humans did in the past.

>>5430473
> we're so edgy and different, we'll show our parents we don't need their old-fashioned ways

>>5430485

> we're perfect as we are, why ever do anything different? by the way, have you prepared the human sacrifices

>>5430496
> we don't have human sacrifices anymore, we just have large-scale wars which are much more humane

>>5430333
>and a vegetarian diet is not much better either.
Myths belong in /x/.

mars-one.com wants to bring people to mars by 2023

>>5430507
http://mars-one.com/

>>5429335

I suppose we'll just have to do with portabella burgers and tofurkey to begin with.

The first person who gets something resembling real meat production going on Mars will probably be awarded a Martian Medal of Freedom or something.

>>5429340
>intolerance
yes, because not eating animals is being intolerant.

fun fact
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/17/curiosity-rover-mars-radiation-levels-safe-for-humans/
radiation levels on the surface of mars are comparable to astronauts living in the international space station
way less than most believed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2
I'd be very wary of this. If anyone is not familiar with the biosphere project they should do some light reading.

But I'd love to die trying to live there. Unfortunately they have no particular reason to want me there over anyone else who'd go and I certainly couldn't buy my way in.

>>5429340
>intolerance
lel

Elon musk appreciation thread?

Neat, did he get any further with his electric plane plans though?

>>5430566
>missing the point

>>5430754
> rich cocksucker fan thread?

Inb4 everyone on the colony dies of vitamin deficiency after refusal to eat the superb lab grown meat proteins (by this time they'll be almost indistinguishable from steak or chicken breast, whatever you want)

>At a cost of $500,000, vegetarians could choose to travel to the faraway settlement, although Musk did not clarify whether payments could be made using PayPal.

>“The ticket price needs to be low enough that most people in advanced countries, in their mid-forties or something like that, could put together enough money to make the trip,”

This man's views of what 'most people' can afford seem kinda warped. The average US yearly income is only like $43k, that's saving for 50 years if they save 1/4 of their income yearly.

Colonizing Mars with people in their 70s-80s ought to work out nicely.

>Vegetarians
>To Mars
>For $500,000
Sign me u-
>Takes 11 minutes to send a signal from one planet to another
>At best
> Imagine waiting 20 minutes for a single webpage to load.
Oh... this is difficult.

>>5430891
>being a vegetarian
>going to mars to browse the internet
You'll be doing science nigger breath

>>5430891
You could watch movies, listen to muic, play vidya, have steaming MARSIAN sex.
Plenty of ways to entertain yourself, or at least kill time while you wait for the pages to load.

>>5430903
until you get permab& from 4chan

>>5430761
The point is obvious. You're the one missing my point.

>>5430318
>jail

Those are enough of a drain on resources here on Earth, no way a young Mars colony would put up with that. Serious crimes would get the death penalty and minor ones would probably result in the loss of one of the few luxuries they would have or increased labor requirements.

>>5430331
>two kids

I imagine we'd be seeing a lot more than that. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper to make a baby on Mars than ship them all the way from Earth. Granted they wouldn't be able to contribute to the settlement for a while, but as soon as the infrastructure can support that burden that would be the cheapest way to increase population.

>>5430765
>Not appreciating rich folk that spend their cash in scientific/ engineering development

No, those bankers and billionaire sports people spending their cash on shit like 'bling'd up' range rovers is something much more admirable

The majority of people who take him up on this are gonna be sandniggers. They will bring their ridiculous beliefs with them. Mars is dooomed.

>>5431073
>Serious crimes would get the death penalty.

The majority of crimes worth even prosecuting on Earth would be extremely serious on a Mars Colony. With 80,000 being the goal population I imagine it will play out much like that new Judge Dredd movie I need to watch.

>tfw Judge Dredd and Total Recall turn out to be prescient documentaries on our Martian future.

GET YOR ASS TO MARZ!

>>5430236
>And what government would be there to enforce these?

The colony will be the property of a rich business man. Elon Musk is the government and the government type will be feudal state/company town.

>>5431137
>The majority of people who take him up on this are gonna be sandniggers. They will bring their ridiculous beliefs with them. Mars is dooomed.
How do you figure that the majority will be people from the mideast? It could be cool though. Cool as in sparking a Martian revolt leading to interplanetary warfare and the first use of space combat.

>>5431184
>GET YOR ASS TO MARZ!
Only if the tits come in trips.

>>5430333
>vegan diet is unsustainable and a vegetarian diet is not much better either.

vegans live about as long as meat eaters on average and vegetarians live longer

amino acids aren't rocket science.

i'm not even vegetarian (i'm eating a bologne sandwich as we speak) by my fuck you're ignorant.

check your statistics, read about amino acids and how complete proteins, b vitamins, and iron, etc, can all come from easily digestible plant sources. and then suck my balls

>>5431416
why don't we just skip the research and get straight to ball-sucking

>>5430457
rice isn't a complete protein. it only has half the different amino acids you need.
beans aren't a complete protein. it only has half the amino acids you need.

they have different amino acids. and when eaten within a couple meals of each other (or usually, during the same meal) the different amino acids together form a complete protein.

the clearly has nothing to do with insects

quinoa also a complete protein on its own. and there are many other various vegetables and such which can be combined for complete proteins. vegetarians also eat eggs and milk.

average dude needs something like 60 grams of protein a day, you're not eating 60grams of bugs in your daily cereal and salads. you're a fucking moron

>>5429335
>as long as the inhabitants are vegetarians.
What a faggot.

Livestock would be extremely hard to raise in Mars. I suppose everyone could just carry a shitton of beef jerky and frozen mean, though. So yeah, it's because muh vegetarianism.

Can't we just invest into animal meat cell culture research so we can eat meat that didn't suffer at all?

Eating cultured meat'd be allright for me as a colonist.

>>5431115
and even worse then those people are the rich folk who sit on all their wealth like smaug the dragon. and never spend it, just sucking the wealth out of the country without reinvesting any of it back into the economy.

>>5431442
>doesn't realize how fucking difficult and inefficient it would be for an early martian city to grow livestock

What a faggot.

why don't we bring a small stock of insects up into space? It will be easy to transport and we could sort out the protein deficiency problems.

>>5431471
We probably will. Insects (unlike larger animals) are a very efficient source of protein.

Insects are enjoyed around the world and have been eaten for millions of years, since before we were even human. It's natural, and it's even healthy. We westerners just have an irrational, illogical, knee-jerk "ewww gross nasty" reaction to eating insects and I don't know where that moronic attitude came from but it's pretty immature.

Eventually they might have chickens and eggs too. But never cattle. Cattle are just too expensive to feed compared to what you get out of them in the end.... well... that's beef cattle... I'm not sure about dairy. Maybe we'll have martian goat cheese or something one day. But lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Plants alone can get us complete proteins on mars. insects in addition to that, and maybe some algae (very efficient) seals the deal. Proteins are the least of our martian concerns.

>>5430699
>If anyone is not familiar with the biosphere project they should do some light reading

Okay that got messy pretty fast. I'm glad they are making these kinds of mistakes on Earth and not in space tho.

>>5431494
biosphere project did get messy, but it was also done poorly. their fuck ups were, at least in retrospect, quite avoidable if the people in charge hadn't been morons. they made a lot of sloppy mistakes that a more professional operation could have avoided.

I hope you're all pretending to be this retarded.
Raising livestock to be slaughtered as meat takes a hell of a lot more energy than just growing crops. He's not doing this out of some animal-loving belief.

>>5431467
>Doesn't realize that livestock aren't the only source of meat

What a faggot.

>>5431501
I hope you're pretending to be retarded.

Growing meat does not explicitly mean growing and slaughtering livestock.

>>5431515
I'm pretty sure he's not waiting for test-tube meat to be fit for human consumption for his plan to work so your idea is irrelevant.

>>5431504
yes, we can also eat insects. but when people talk about eating meat, they're not talking about insects.

just like how when a person says "pc" they're generally not referring to macs. even though macs technically are personal computers (technically so are tablets)

if i had realized you were an autistic faggot with no understanding of language and how it's used i would have been more careful with what i said. but for anyone without autism, my message was quite clear.

>>5429340

It's not "meat eaters not allowed", you idiot, it's "we're not gonna bring easily spoiled meat across 225 million kilometers so get fucking used to the vegetables"

>>5431504

When vat grown food becomes both viable on earth and viable to build in orbit, then you can enjoy the meats in space.
Until then, eat what you can grow.

>>5431515
oh i see now. you're talking about lab grown meat. ignoring the fact that it costs a shitload right now and has never actually been properly tested on human beings.

i'm sure musk would be fine with lab grown meats in principle. but in reality they'll have bigger issues on their plate then fussing over building meat labs and shit. i'm sure they'll get around to it if and when it becomes viable. in the meantime they need people that are cool with eating only veg if it comes down to it.

elon musk straight up said he's only interested in getting people to mars and wont be telling them what to eat. it just so happens that there quite possibly wont be anything but plants to eat, as a matter of realism.

you should feel like an idiot for believing in russia todays reporting

Id rather eat meat.

>>5430333
>because a vegan diet is unsustainable and a vegetarian diet is not much better either.

>Takes 2,400 pounds of water to produce 1 pound of meat, but 25 pounds of water to produce 1 pound of wheat.
>Average vegan diet requires 300 gallons of water a day, average meat-eater diet requires 4,000 gallons of water a day.
>Raising animals for food on Earth uses 30% of the total land.
>70% of grain and cereals grown in the US are fed to farm animals.
>Takes 16 pounds of grain to produce 1 pound of meat, takes 5 pounds of wild-fed fish to produce 1 pound of farmed fish.

What, you're not talking about environmental sustainability on a planet where we'll have to take or make most of our resources? You actually mean health?

>Heart disease the biggest killer in America. Chance of dying from heart disease if male is 50% for meat-eaters, 15% for ovo-lacto vegetarians, 4% for vegans.
>Average BMI of meat-eaters is 28.8, average BMI of vegans is 23.6.
>Average cholesterol of meat-eaters is 189.2 (male) to 196 (female), average cholesterol of vegans is 157.3 (male) to 156.6 (female).
>Average level of triglycrides (linked to heart disease) is 107.5 for meat-eaters and 86.5 for vegans.
>Meat and dairy linked not just to heart disease, but hypertension, diabetes, several forms of cancers including colorectal cancer and breast cancer, cataracts, environmental allergies, and acne.
>Guy that invented the term 'veganism' (vegetarian since teens, vegan since thirties) lived until 95, living totally without need of medication.
>Only thing not readily available on vegan diet is B12, and we have supplements for that already.

Ahahahahah omg you're so cute. You absolute dumbfuck.

Terraforming mars would be impossible, due to the almost nonexistent geothermal activity, right?

Give it a month before those vegfags start eating one another. Typical fuckpig pie in the sky dreamfags who think setting up a Mars colony is just this easy.

Goddamn shit tier cocksuckers deserve to die screaming in space. We gotta thin the herd someway here on Earth.

>>5431577
Then we must find a work-around. Thank you based engineers.

If I were a billionaire I would fund a trip for several real life ghetto niggers to go colonise Mars.
Fuck, /pol/

>Discrimination against meat eaters
>Believe that all animals have inherently less moral value regardless of their actual characteristics

We'll probably be growing meat in a lab by then anyway.

>>5431619
>Fuck, /pol/
Second.

>>5430754
don't mind if I do

>>5431673

>>5431690
SpaceX and Tesla are sharing the expertise in learning mass production techniques to build better cars and cheaper engines

>>5429335

Y'know what, fuck it. When my folks are dead, I'll have nothing holding me on Earth. May as well head to Mars to practice my subject. So long as I have the internet, and access to the resources I need, I'll be fine.

>>5431702
I wonder how we'll do Internet on Mars. Local Mars Internet will be fast enough, but Earth-Mars communications will be slow. Local Martian caches with 20 minute delays to access the latest stuff doesn't sound all that great.

>>5431716
Moot will one day make /mars/, where all threads MUST be started by an extraplanetary IP.

And that day, the universe will be a little more awesome.

>>5430796
> wealthy people having no clue
surprise surprise

So.
We colonise Mars.
How long until /pol/ decides that the martian colonists are traitors and pure scum?

>>5429728

agreed. the moon will most likely end up as a giant shipyard, extracting raw materials from the moon itself. the low gravity makes construction easier, and nuclear reactors can provide energy using a fuel with a higher "joules per KG" than any other energy source known to man.

people can't leave on plants alone

>>5431073

serious crimes would mean banishment back to earth. the ships are full on the way to mars, but empty on the way back.

going to mars would never be a "one way" thing. most people would do periodic "Employment" on mars, fly in, spend 10 years there, go back to earth, "YEAH I WENT TO MARS, HEY WANNA SUCK MY DICK?"

>>5431467

>doesnt realise that with 80k people going to mars every year, ships would be flying there year round, and more than half their mass would carry supplies and stuff that they cant get on mars, as the people who live on mars will be willing to pay for certain things.

Well, I can sort of understand the practical reason for not allowing meat eaters.
Meat requires a lot of water to produce, and to use resources efficiently, a necessity on a barren planet.

>>5431814
Forgot to finish that thought

Meat requires a lot of water to produce, and to use resources efficiently, a necessity on a barren planet, you would not want to produce meat.

>>5431814
>Implying anyone would be producing meat on Mars, vegetarian or not.
Not until they've been there for many many years.
The true reason is to prevent canibalism

>>5429348

In response to your photo: Iran is from what I understand "pulling it's shit together" in terms of scientific output. Give them a few more years and I'm sure they will scrape together something

>>5429335
Nasa has said they might teraform mars, and they also said they already have the technology to do so. The only problem is, is that with current technology it will take a millennium to teraform mars

>>5430429

>I wonder how long we would be able to keep insects off of Mars.

Considering they'd die if they got outside and its quite easy to decontaminate a closed habitat, i wouldn't say it'd be a problem.

>>living in a planetary gravity well and not in a space colony
>>not destroying Mars to turn it into space colonies.

>>5431577

Probably still pretty damn hot if you drill down. Only need rocks of about 300oC for a geothermal plant to be effective. Plus the water that comes up is very rich in minerals and so can produce a lot of raw material for construction and tools. In NZ, geothermal water brings up lots of high quality silica and metals like gold, mercury, cadmium, arsenic, aluminium, zinc, manganese etc etc.

Water would be recycled from urine and feces too.

>>5432731
Just like it's always been on earth.

Bump

I love these vegetarian/vegan versus meat arguments.
You're both fucktards.
The way to go is pescetarianism (fish as main protein source) with occasional red meat (once a week or less).
This is more or less the diet I have and I have grown much faster than my vegetarian younger brother and my chicken, chips and McDonalds diet elder brother.

>>5429413
no,I like cockroaches

>>5429803

lol

"...but there's one small catch"

Rebump

>>5434545
that's quite a scientific argument you have there

It's scary how rich you can get with a simple idea. Like jewberg made facebook which isn't super easy but not as hard as inventing a cure for cancer or something.

Worst idea ever. By going to Mars you are willingly sacrificing your body to the 38% gravity. And then also the fact that Mars has nothing of value. Unless you find water in gigantic quantities you are fucked in the long run.

Vegetarianism would be the most sustainable way to live on an early mars colony. I'm not a vegetarian, but this is simply how it is.