/sci/ - Science & Math

you forgot to make a point.
Although I suspect this is one of those 'omg space iz so k00l' threads

Why has it been in the news a lot lately. It's seems lol the scientist are shocked with the amount of planets they are finding!

This is just a confirmation of something we always knew. That there is an extremely absurdly high chance of other intelligent life. Sure a lot or maybe even the bulk is mainly simple microbes or non-intelligent life like that. But undoubtedly there are some either on our level or above.

I always knew it was silly to think we were alone but even 1 in 6 is higher than I expected and I just feel its essentially a given now.

Shit some planet probably has something we only dream of wormholes, ftl travel....

>>5422838
This is pretty much the last step before they declare a planet was found with an oxygen atmosphere and evidence of life.

>>5422838
Too bad reaching even near-light speeds aren't yet feasible.

this makes the fermi paradox even more unsettling

where the hell is everyone?
why is it so damn silent?

>>5422976
Holy shit man could you elaborate on that, sounds extremely unsettling. My theory is we are like classified as a planet to not interfere with "officially". Since we are still in our childhood as a species. Meanwhile all the advanced civilizations past primitive notions like war and genocide either are living a sort of forever renaissance with each other, or somehow became start beings or quasi god-immortals

Doesn't it make sense that there would be many solar systems like our own, given that our solar system has reached some point of stability. Given this, wouldn't it make sense that other stars similar to our sun would have had similar processes that would make similar solar systems? Also, taking into account that there are millions, if not billions of stars like our sun?

>>5422976
You ever avert your gaze and avoid talking to a retard you stumble into in a public place?

>>5422891

Full retarded. We literally don't have enough knowledge to begin to calculate the probability for the development of life beyond the bacterial scale.

I can't begin to communicate how absurdly stupid it is to say something like "absurdly high chance of other intelligent life" when WE DON'T HAVE ANY PRIORS OF INTELLIGENT LIFE THAN OUR OWN PLANET.

>>5422976

We might be alone or technological societies turn into simulations that draw power from stellar bodies rather than expanding outwards like traditional empires.

>>5422992
The Fermi paradox takes into account the time life has had to evolve on our planet with the age of the Universe. If interstellar travel is possible, then their ought to be evidence of other space-faring civilizations given the amount of time we've been searching. Thus far, there isn't.

It may be that interstellar travel is impossible, or else it's extremely unlikely for life to appear, evolve, become intelligent, and form a coherent civilization. So the implications are we're either the only intelligent life out here, or we're going to be stuck on Earth because nothing else near us in the billions of years life had to form was capable of traveling from star to star.

Of course, there's other possible explanations as well. Still, it's pretty depressing.

>>5423018
Plenty of explanations abound, literally could make volumes of possibilities. Nothing to be depressed about really. It's like when people try to insist you MUST feel insignificant when compared to the rest of the vastness of space. It simply isn't true, you can marvel and be content, you can wonder why we haven't communicated and still have hope it will happen

Honestly if I were part of a sentient species even a half step above humans I'd wait out some more until we settle some of our most basic shit we still don't agree on. Will probably take place after blame and upheaval after the effects of global warming in a few decades

Food for thought.

We wouldn't know if our galaxy contained hundreds of spacefaring civilizations interacting with each other. How would we, if they aren't using technologies that are detectable by our limited sensors?

Our galaxy may be blooming with interstellar trade and wars and drama - we're just not invited yet.

>>5423045
more like they're using radio and we're still stuck on signal fires

also, i am convinced that alchohol is an earth-only thing, and will have similar effects on the metabolic processes of other sentients

so once we expand outwards, we are known as the booze planet, and our entire economy switches to the production of alchohol, countries are known for their spirits, humanity becomes FABULOUSLY rich, and we get as much space ass as we want
>hey baby, i can get us some choice stuff from my private stash
>i've never had this "booze before!
>heheh
space date rape here we come

>>5423063
Implying sentients beyond us even have a system that resembles capitalism/materialism at all.
>spacebux
I agree it's entirely possible that everything is happening right under our noses.

>>5422976
>implying they're not here now

>>5423063
No, alcohol is not a earth only thing.

>tfw you where born to early to take part in inter galactic wars fighting for the pride of the human race across the galaxy
>you will never meet our maker

I just imagine humanity becoming a warrior race, we may have scientists and such, but humanity has evolved with war on the mind.

Maybe they're just fucking scared of us?

We have the capability to render a planet lifeless in a few minutes.

>>5423120
Not born too early to explore our solar system however!
Cheer up, you could have been born in the industrial revolution or in the 60's

>>5423001
Lol

>>5423134
>implying being born in the industrial revolution isn't cool as fuck too

>>5423120

Not too early to explore the oceans! Have I shown you my infographics about underwater habitats and dolphin sex?

>>5423132
They have the ability to fucking destroy a planet in a matter of seconds.

>>5423140
Would you like to be a child laborer?

>>5423149
Maybe they evolved peacefully?

>>5423153
>not inventing cool shit
>not at least working in a Ford factory

>>5423154
Just saying, aliens probably wouldnt be to scared of us and our precious little nukes.

>>5423161
Nukes are nearly 80 year old tech.

Imagine what we could come up with today.

>>5423170

>68 years is nearly 80!

um ok

>>5423170
SUPER NUKES

This thread has taken an interesting twist to the luckiness of being born in our age/world. I must admit I quite narrowly thought of life being so rare and against the odds that I was awed by the chance of being born. Now however considering the potential of billions of sentient/non sentient life I suppose the luck of the draw is much more diverse and has better chances than just plain ol earth. Though I'd love to be born during the renaissance though

>>5423180
>Though I'd love to be born during the renaissance though

Enjoy living in squalor while your betters are just starting to do very basic science. No, the time to be born is in the 1910s, so you can blow everyone's minds with your advanced mathematics of matrices and differential geometry.

>>5422862

How's that lack of curiosity and intrigue doing for you, huh champ?

>>5423186
Nows a good time for astronomy.

With the new ELT's being made all over the place in the next 10-20 years some serious shit is about to go down.

>>5423186
The best time to be born is the 1870s.

Live through the industrial revolution, be alive long enough to blow the science field away.

>>5423199
How much math do have to do if you major astronomy?

I've always loved reading about it and such, would consider double majoring in it and history.

>3021
>First contact is reached, drastic SOS from Orion's Belt
>Massive scramble to get to the capabilities of Near light speed travel
>3046
>First near FTL ships built
>Humans are sent to planet in question
>They arrive, ruins of what looked like a once highly advanced race
>We take the tech we can find and return to Earth
>Tech is studied, reverse engineered, etc
>3105
>We have built the first worm hole generators outside of the kupter belt
>3106
>Humanity beings seeding Jupiter and Saturn, building cloud cities

>>5423258
>3045
nigga, we might be able to build a warp drive in the next 200 years.

>>5423258
>3171
>Wormhole generating ship travels outside of observable universe

>>5423132
Yeah, our own planet

>>5423271
>3186
> Monument of the Sciences is built
>located outside of observable universe, it features a statue of every influential scientist of the last 5000 years.
>Everyone from Plato to Hawking

>>5423282
>tfw born too early for any of this

>>5423282
>tfw conspiracy theorist moan that its not real

>>5423109
let me clarify, that YEAST is an earth-only thing.
i mean sure other species have probably discovered alchohol, but very late in the game, probably during their chemical days, and mostly use it as a solvent.

we on the other hand make lots of it, but at low concentrations, and flavor it

>>5423176
i think he's talking about the original principles.
we didn't sudden;y discover nuclear weapons technology when trinity was fired

>>5423267
more like 300 or 400, but yeah, it's pretty close
the real stumbling block is (ytou guess it) room temperature superconductors

>>5423258
>3021
Tis a good thing i don't age then

Or maybe life reaching the advancement of space travel is like them count to 10 threads, sometimes it gets so close, but it's just destined to never happen.

>>5423501
But people actually counted to 10 before

There is an article somewhere that, using all of the energy and resources of earth arent enough to travel yet to the nearest solar system, so, space travel will remain in movies.
Googled but could not find it...

>>5423170
Nukes that throw knifes at people.

>>5424560
I almost choke on my food

>>5424560
Nuclear-bomb pumped active denial system.

>>5423202
Maybe major in just astronomy...

>>5424545
bullshit. we can construct ships going up to 0.1c with relative ease if we use the whole worlds resources.

>>5423170

Nukes with silencer, scope and attached grenade launcher

>>5423271

>Get to observe the big bang as unobservable space becomes observable

>mfw

>>5422976
Neil deGrasse Tyson somewhat elaborated on this.

Even if intelligent life were to somehow contact us, how exactly would they go about doing so?

We'd be panicky, dribbling idiots to them.

It wouldn't be like in Star Trek where we'd basically be talking to blokes with human minds. Fuck, these aren't even blokes.

A completely different species who may not even be carbon based, how exactly would they convey their thoughts and ideas to us.

We'd die.

>>5424685
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxfJfv9tirU

dam, forgot to post the link

Within decades we will confirm the first earth size planets in the habitable zone with earth like atmospheres. Feels good man.

>>5423006
Yes but it would be stupid to say that with billions of other potential Earths out there and saying we're the only ones simply because we can't see far enough.

There are AT LEAST 100 other intelligent species out there.

>>5422976
Space is large.

ITT:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeKMS62GrTI

>>5423018
one thing to consider
if by some chance we literally are the only intelligent life in the galaxy, then it's ours.
sure, we cant even leave our solar system, but if there's no other life out there to claim the galaxy, then as far as im concerned, it's ours.

I'm waiting for them to all of a sudden discover that they are completely fucking wrong, and the wobbles and shit that are helping them detect these planets is an inaccurate method.

>>5424844
I want to mate with them all.

>>5424912
>you will never watch over your hybrid offspring with your fellow carbon-based wife from planet x

>>5424921
I didn't know how bad this would feel until I read it.

( ._.)

I wonder if aliens play video games..

>>5422838

>>5424844
>There are AT LEAST 100 other intelligent species out there.

And at least 100 other levels of intelligence and points of view. It would be best to lay low till we know more about the cosmic arena.

>>5423199

lol no. Not anymore.

The economy is so shit, and America so poor that many telescope projects are likely to be shut down to keep funding going to more important telescope projects.

Even the most optimistic predictions expect heavy cuts and some shut downs. They dont even know how they will fund the new ones coming online.

With the current congress giving two shits about the sciences expect things to get worse, not better. They don't expect to see any increase in revenue for 10-20 years.

>>5424954
heres some source too!

http://www.space.com/19184-nsf-budget-telescopes-uncertain.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+spaceheadlines+%28SPACE.com+Headline+Feed%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

>>5424955
Annual consumption of ice cream is $12 billion in the US. Enough to fund the construction of 10 separate ELTs

This gray earth. Fuck it.

>>5424954
Ron Paul 2016

Guys, the reason we haven't detected any alien life is because something is killing them all.

As soon as civilization becomes detectable on a galactic scale, something destroys it.

Hey guys
What if we're the first species that developed sentience?
Someone has to be first, why not us?

>humans the most wise species in the universe
oh god ; ;

>>5425015
this is what i'm worried about

>>5422976

well everyone is silent because if they were to show themselves to us this would trigger fucking panic chaos and destruction on our primitive shit planet. we're not ready yet, as simple as that

>>5423018

well, quantum entanglement for communications is 100% secure. if its possible then all intelligent species would eventually adopt it and "go silent" on radio and other frequencies.

though its entirely possible that the first species to reach space has become a technologically hyperadvanced "raider" species that exterminates all intelligent life it finds, so as to prevent cultural contamination and threats to dominance...

after all, it would only take a few decades for the lesser species to steal the technology of the higher one, and once that occurs it is inevitable that conflict will arise, and that conflict will be devastating.

better to just exterminate the lower species before it becomes a threat.

its kinda like the galaxy is the higher species house, and newly evolved species are basically cockroaches and ants, which are removed because they spread disease and create mess.

>>5423412

your reasoning is all wrong.

they would have had alcohol, but would have banned it millennia ago, due to its bad effects.

when they come into contact with us, none of them will have any idea that alcohol can be used as an intoxicant

What if we are the first species to get this far? We could help other lower species to get past their tribal stages or whatever phase they might be in.

There's still several million/billion galaxies in the universe too. This probably just applies to our own, if it does at all.

>>5425264
How many other species there are? Probably none.

Sure there are billions of galaxies and planets but there are also billions of people on Earth and only few of them win the lottery and winning combination is only few numbers while chemistry of life is millions. There might be other planets that won "the lottery" but if we can't find them we can't know.

>>5423140
implying people didn't work 12 hours a day and lived in their own piss and shit back than.

>>5422870
>It's seems lol the scientist are shocked with the amount of planets they are finding!

Of course they are: they are the first ones found, and every one is an opportunity to classify what they are learning.
This is not considered unimportant or abstract like learning about other things as distant; we know what to do with planets.

>>5422891
>This is just a confirmation of something we always knew.
Not at all; it is confirmation of something we hoped and couldn't justify.

>That there is an extremely absurdly high chance of other intelligent life.
Not at all; it shows there is a high POSSIBILITY of environments. Not 'life,' not 'intelligent life,' and you can leave out those damn superlatives.


>I always knew it was silly to think we were alone but even 1 in 6 is higher than I expected and I just feel its essentially a given now.
Because apparently YOU think with guesses -- that is not what science does.
You are embarrassing the whole process -- telling us we KNEW stuff and that everything is extremely covered in life.

>>5423063
>also, i am convinced that alchohol is an earth-only thing, and will have similar effects on the metabolic processes of other sentients

Well, first, if you mean alcohol as in 'spirits' or beverages that influence our behavior, say that.
Don't just say 'alcohol' like it is used out in American society, because that word correctly refers to a chemical compound (only) and in this board people would use it that way.

Second, it is ridiculous to imagine that human societies are the only life forms that alter their behavior with compounds. Whatever we imagine of their forms or their intelligence, there simply is no reason to imagine they have not used compounds like pills, alcohol, smoking, shooting, inhaling, or the like.

But third, there is certainly NO reason to imagine that compounds would have similar effects. It is trivially easy for the compounds we use to be deadly poisons or edible staples for other life; assuming it would have the same effect is like assuming they will have the same shape and structure.

>>5423132
>Maybe they're just fucking scared of us?
>We have the capability to render a planet lifeless in a few minutes.

Are you kidding?
Our meager 'ability' must look childlike to a civ that can visit or examine us!
Fucking nukes? bows and arrows!
Don't be too fucking impressed just because those are powerful to US.

>>5423196
No, he was right; starting a thread requires actually proposing something, asking a question, inviting a specific line of conversation.

Posting a news article isn't starting a thread.
It's passively introducing a vague topic.
The thread could have gone in many directions.

>>5423412
>let me clarify, that YEAST is an earth-only thing.
Very probably, but that doesn't make it uniquely able to alter organic compounds, even here and now.

>i mean sure other species have probably discovered alchohol, but very late in the game, probably during their chemical days, and mostly use it as a solvent.
You are making assumptions about specific compounds 'they' learn about?
Even fully aware that WE developed fermented beverages before we kept records?

>we on the other hand make lots of it, but at low concentrations, and flavor it
And you think these are unlikely in other life forms?

Please stop making stupid and unfounded guesses about specific things life you don't know has done.

>>5424545
Any such article would have to qualify what kind of engine they are calculating about:

we already know we don't have an engine to do such a thing practically, so there is no point calculating with such an engine in mind.

making a supposition about the efficiency and operation of an imagined engine is as stupid as the guy who is writing other life forms discovered beer late in their development.

>>5424685
>Neil deGrasse Tyson somewhat elaborated on this.

So has EVERYONE ELSE, even in middle school.

Stop listening to Tyson; or, even better, just stop giving him credit for ideas.

>>5424897
>sure, we cant even leave our solar system, but if there's no other life out there to claim the galaxy, then as far as im concerned, it's ours.

Wow, that's a little possessive and silly.
There are more strategic minds that say you can consider what is yours only what you can control.

It's downright childish to claim 'mine' on something you cannot even visit!

>>5425172
That assumes they have complete and subtle knowledge of human psychology, which is rather ridiculous.

>>5425212
>quantum entanglement for communications

it's also totally irrelevant to what they are talking about.
The topic is not about whether they COULD hide their communications.

The question is why we do not hear or see communications SEEKING contact, or announcing their presence.

>>5425469
>Even fully aware that WE developed fermented beverages before we kept records?
yes, because yeast is a thing on earth

>>5425224
>your reasoning is all wrong.
>they would have had alcohol, but would have banned it millennia ago, due to its bad effects.
>when they come into contact with us, none of them will have any idea that alcohol can be used as an intoxicant


And yours, like his, assumes ALL the same effects, and still just makes up history.
Stop it. You cannot invent a history for another life that you know nothing about and have absolutely ZERO information about -- not their sociology, biochemistry, psychology, anything.

>>5422976
EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD IS RETARDED

There is no paradox.
Radio signals degrade into background noise within a lightyear.
FTL is preposterous and requires to much energy.
Interstellar communication is done with nuclear pumped inferred lasers which are far to focused to picked up accidentally. Also the universe is fucking huge.
The only reason a species would have for leaving its own solar system is desperation.

>>5427615
Desperation or a serious interest in exploration. Like, colony ships that are meant to be self-sufficient and slowly making their way into a new system.