/sci/ - Science & Math

It's just wear and tear. You die when your neurons stop firing off in your brain. They slowly begin to do this from the age of 20.

>>5195520
tolomeres shorted.

>>5195532
telomeres*

Ok how do I make my telomeres not shorten?

and how do you know for sure this is what causes death besides disease and trauma?

>telomeres shortened
Yeah I've heard that, but it sounds purely theoretical. How old would you have to be for this to be a legitimate problem?

>>5195552
Them shortening causes your body to function below optimally so you're more susceptible to problems like disease.

>at least that's my guess

>>5195520
>I
pray to your god. its the only way to make your soul immortal. Where as most scientist accept that there is no soul, and living at every moment is a different process from the time before

>>5195520
If you could (in theory) clone your cells instead of letting split via mitosis you could live forever. When you clone a cell the telomeres do not shorten. So basically through a combination of cybernetic implants and nanomachines you could live forever in theory. However...after about 300-400 years you'll start forgetting a lot. You'd have to be able to augment your memory as well. We only have the storage space for about 200-400 years of memory. Meaning at that point you start forgetting things like your childhood, parents, etc. If you don't want to modify your brain then get good at writing journals. Start now and basically write your life up to the point where you do the implants (your background, parents, friends, family, experiences, etc).

>>5195583
think of a natural way to live forever

it must be because of something we consume that we age - so what is it and how do i not consume it.

Let's brainstorm.

Suppose we were meant to live forever, but only until recently did something happen that caused us to die, what would that thing be?

>How do I achieve immortality?
Modification and maintenance beyond our current level of technical sophistication.

Custom viruses may actually do most of the job within the next decade, a hundred new infections a day, little by little correcting the DNA replication errors of every cell of the body and resetting them to a state of youth.

Add some robotic surgery and implants to reverse unwanted "adult growth" processes, and a fallback option of keeping brains alive in jars, and we might see near immortality very soon.

>>5195607 please read >>5195603
>>5195607 please read >>5195603
>>5195607 please read >>5195603
>>5195607 please read >>5195603
>>5195607 please read >>5195603
>>5195607 please read >>5195603
>>5195607 please read >>5195603
>>5195607 please read >>5195603
>>5195607 please read >>5195603
>>5195607 please read >>5195603
>>5195607 please read >>5195603

>>5195611
But >>5195603 is stupid.

>>5195613
Why? Let's talk about it please.

>>5195583

No offense, but how do you come to this conclusion: "We only have the storage space for about 200-400 years of memory"

As far as I know, we don't know what the limit for memory is, or if there is any.
No one has ever lived for that long and it is not entirely clear how memory is even stored.

>>5195617
There's nothing more to say about it than that it's completely unscientific magical thinking.

There's nothing there of substance to discuss. It's like a child's fantasy.

>>5195621
No offense but let's stay on topic.

If you live forever then you would need infinite memory to memorize everything, you don't suppose we have infinite memory do you?

Also it would be nice to forget things so I could try something as if it was new when it really wasn't, solving the boredom problem

>>5195621
Don't even try it. These kids want to wallow in fantasies and their understanding of science doesn't go beyond having watched Sagan when they were 12. They are neither interested in nor capable of understanding a scientific approach. You are way too educated to participate in these kinds of threads.

>>5195626

I think it's pretty dumb to use big words you don't understand, like infinity, in any context.

>>5195626
Full fucking retard. You made an extraordinary claim, so please back it up with evidence and citations. We don't want to see shallow drivel, we need a peer reviewed publication.

>>5195624
Learn how to converse bro, no offense.

You're just throwing ad hominems out there. You haven't really explained why it's a child's fantasy, why there's nothing of substance to discuss, and why it's completely unscientific magical thinking.

A natural way to live forever. Does aging seem like an evolutionarily selected for feature? Wouldn't it be in the best interests of evolution to prevent aging and let overpopulation be solved by who can get the food the quickest, leading to better organisms?

Really tell me what about naturally living forever seems so unlikely as a proposition to you please.

>>5195629
No really, enlighten me, let's have a discussion. If you're not a troll, simply respond to this post of mine please >>5195632

Thanks in advance. I'm trying to be nice and civil here. I don't want to wallow in fantasies but act in my best interest which I believe to be accepting reality as it is.

>>5195631
infinity = never ending

not a big word - the fact that you think it is is concerning, no offense.

....

Let's be serious now please.

>>5195543
By having more telomerase enzymes, like certain cancer cells do.

Oh, that brings up another point. Mutation accumulation. Unless you can somehow engineer better DNA repair mechanisms, you will eventually die of cancer.

>>5195634
I'm not the one who made the 200-400 year memory claim, I'm the OP, and I just want to focus on >>5195632 & >>5195603 please

>>5195648
So what causes cancer?

>>5195626

I just wanted to know where you got that number from. Seems somehow arbitrary and I can't think of an experiment to actually test it.

>>5195629

I might just have to take your advice.

>>5195632
>"Wouldn't it be in the best interests of evolution"
>2012
>anthropomorphizing evolution
LOL

That's no better than bible retardation. If you want to think of evolution as a human-like being, you might as well worship a sky wizard.

>>5195655
WHAT IS THE DR.GERSON DIET?

>>5195626
Nobody remembers everything. Remembering everything isn't part of the definition of continuing to live.

We wouldn't need "augmented memory", we would just go on living and changing, remembering some things and forgetting others.

If you lived for a million years, you would of course remember very little of it. It wouldn't matter. When would you have time to remember it all?

We'll want to live forever so we won't die at any point, because whatever people we are, we won't want to die. Preserving yourself perfectly in an unchanging state wouldn't be living.

The person you are now will be lost regardless of whether you live or die, but how much nicer it is to be lost little by little in the growth of someone new than to dive all at once into that cold black void.

>>5195659
Ok ignore that then and just focus on the last request in the post you quoted which was...
..."Really tell me what about naturally living forever seems so unlikely as a proposition to you please."

>>5195655
Mutations in your DNA repair and replication mechanisms.

>>5195666
You can make up any shitty proposition and assumption for your nonsensical fantasies. That doesn't make them scientific though. Go back to >>>/b/.