/sci/ - Science & Math

>>5188800
4chan rules: /sci/ rule 3: No "religion vs. science" threads.

>>5188813
This isnt about religion this is about science.

Every time I listen you creationists, I become convinced they're right.

Every time I listen to criticism of creationism, I become convinced that they're wrong.

I don't think I have the intelligence and/or knowledge to judge the evidence.

>>5188817

>>Every time I listen you creationists, I become convinced they're right.

Every time I listen *TO* creationists, rather.

>>5188816
This is now a thread about reported enjoy your ban

>>5188800
what is this image trying to say? chemical evolution (if you want to call it that) seems like a pretty solid fact based on what we know of fusion. unless your definition of 'observation' means only those that your body can sense, which is stupid.

>>5188817
were you religious before? did you deconvert?

i think i'm the same way. i decided that i don't give enough of a shit to waste my time with theology or religion since i made my decision to deconvert based on lack of evidence.

theological arguments based on historicity or ontology are just stupid to me and when they try to convince me by throwing word salads in my face i just turn a deaf ear these days.

Once you find out that everything in the bible is accurate you just start to accept everything else in it as fact

All the prophecy if you study it

All the ideas work togethor and explain our reality

You can explain all the other religions with Christianity like muhammed being a false prophet who produced bad fruit

>>5188800
>>5188831
Yeah, I've never heard it referred to as 'chemical evolution'. It seems a stretch to me.

The Global Flood... The Biblical record clearly describes a global Flood during Noah's day. Additionally, there are hundreds of Flood traditions handed down through cultures all over the world. 5 M.E. Clark and Henry Voss have demonstrated the scientific validity of such a Flood providing the sedimentary layering we see on every continent. 6 Secular scholars report very rapid sedimentation and periods of great carbonate deposition in earth's sedimentary layers..7 It is now possible to prove the historical reality of the Biblical Flood.8

Population Statistics...World population growth rate in recent times is about 2% per year. Practicable application of growth rate throughout human history would be about half that number. Wars, disease, famine, etc. have wiped out approximately one third of the population on average every 82 years. Starting with eight people, and applying these growth rates since the Flood of Noah's day (about 4500 years ago) would give a total human population at just under six billion people. However, application on an evolutionary time scale runs into major difficulties. Starting with one "couple" just 41,000 years ago would give us a total population of 2 x 1089. 9 The universe does not have space to hold so many bodies.

>>5188824
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The Fossil Record...Evolutionists have constructed the Geologic Column in order to illustrate the supposed progression of "primitive" life forms to "more complex" systems we observe today. Yet, "since only a small percentage of the earth's surface obeys even a portion of the geologic column the claim of their having taken place to form a continuum of rock/life/time over the earth is therefore a fantastic and imaginative contrivance.1" "[T]he lack of transitional series cannot be explained as being due to the scarcity of material. The deficiencies are real, they will never be filled."2 This supposed column is actually saturated with "polystrate fossils" (fossils extending from one geologic layer to another) that tie all the layers to one time-frame. "[T]o the unprejudiced, the fossil record of plants is in favor of special creation." 3

>>5188873
I see, there are some ppl who really think you can extrapolate anything. And ofcourse there are a few hundred religions on earth, and christianity just happens to be the "true" one because there it sounds very reasonable that a god (and only one) swung his magic wand and poof earth appeared out of nowhere oh boy. Dont know how ppl can be this retarded and believe this stuff. But actually on the other side im quite glad that christinanity exists because ppl are more peaceful. But for the intellectual religion is ridiculous ofcourse.

>>5188922
Theres no evidence for the evolution religion either

Everything in the text books are made up as clearly pointed out in those debates

because he absolutely fails to adress one of th central pillars of evolution: the passage of time.

No creationist dumbass ever mentions the arrow of time, probably because they have no idea what the logical, scientific and philosophical implications are.

Also: empirical evidence

>>5188967
> the passage of time

the what?
theres no evidence the world is millions of years old because carbon dating simply doesnt work

carbon dating has been shown untrustworthy with some present day aquatic specimens that were concluded to be thousands of years old. For example, the shells of living snails’ were carbon dated and showed that the snails had died 27,000 years ago. Other specimens have been carbon dated more than once, each time producing a different date varying by thousands of years. In overview, we see that the radiocarbon dating method is certainly no embarrassment to the Biblical creationist who believes in a young earth.

I don't get the population calculation, exactly how did he end up with that number?

>>5188972
I don't think it takes more than looking at surface of earth (or moon for that matter) and realising that some of the meteor holes are so massive that someone must have had noticed them in the last 6000 years (I mean I am not very observant person but still). or unless they obviously didn't happen in the last 6000 years, but millions of years.

>>5188990
The cratering patterns observed on the moon were formed during two distinct impacting episodes. The abundant small craters on the lunar highland surfaces were caused by meteor impacts around the time of the Fall or perhaps during Creation Week itself. The large impact basins and resultant maria were formed at the time of the Flood by a narrow, intense, swarm of meteoroids travelling on parallel paths. The meteoroids were likely comets or fragments of a large comet. Those which missed the earth or moon left the solar system on a very long-period orbit. This model explains the uniform distribution of craters on the highlands of the moon, the non-uniform distribution of lunar maria, and the near absence of impact features on the lunar maria. A specific pattern of cometary impacts on the earth and moon is predicted by this model providing direction for future research. Apart from the earth and moon, significant impacts would not have occurred on other bodies in the solar system at the time of the Flood. Therefore, evidence of a second episode of large, non-uniform impacts on other bodies in the solar system is not expected to be found.

>>5188972

You've just proved my point

>>5189015
Now you are just making this shit up as we go?
It just happened that all the meteors in all of the observable universe somehow landed on that small time frame.
So those tiny dots of light and radiation emitting stars in the sky, some of which we have been able to point to be some millions of light years away. The light is actually traveling faster than we think?

>>5189045
No its a whole science based on the bible.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/does-starlight-prove