/sci/ - Science & Math

>>5182932
>with
without*

yes, i'm that high

>what is a meme

>>5182938
>hurr durr Dr. Sheldon Cooper
i know some of you faggots actually believe this

Most of the people here are highschool babbys whining about things they don't know. To answer your question, though, it's because so many of the engineerfags post things like you just did, gloating about their pay without actually having any frame of reference for what pure science degrees do in modern industry.

Burn your soapbox if you want a legitimate answer, and stop fucking asking questions that are laced with "lol u mad" shit.

>>5182949
typical /sci/fag response.

i completely understand the importance and benefits of science. but that doesn't make it any more superior to engineering.

>tfw EE and Econ double major
>tfw everyone on the board hates me
>tfw I genuinely love both subjects
>tfw not doing pure math -> phd physics
>tfw not good enough for this board

>>5182964
fuck it man. i doubled in CS and EE, now i hold a MS in CS and BS EE. fuck the physicsfags, 99% of which are destined to be high school teachers.

HAHA, engineers don't go hand in hand. You're a douche, engineers barely understand any science, they just memorize shit out of text books and don't even understand the depths of what they're doing just so they can past their exams. We enjoy research, that's why we do it, post-doc physicists can get employed at the bank any day and earn 5-10x your salary. We do what we do since we enjoy it, asshole.

>>5182954
I never said that it was superior. Both fields are incredibly important and rely on one another immensely. I'm just saying that there are far too many engineers that don't respect the intertwining of disciplines.

Here again, you're assuming that scifags are up in arms because they believe that they're superior. While those dipwads exist, they're the vocal majority (which is never a true representation).

Don't take such a defensive stance or a /b/ attitude.

>>5182982
That's me and
>>5182977
This is one of the dipwads who you should ignore.

OP,
Although some of your argument is, to some extant, true, the counteratguement, (especially when considering Physicists vs. Engineering), is that an engineer will practically never understand the true complexity of math and science, and how far more there is to know, and one wouldn't normally be able to take it on. The power of knowledge outweighs anything. It seems that for most engineers, the amount of money that's involved in engineering is vast, and that's all they really aim for, rather than actually being satisfied of your work.
But I'm pretty sure, you're gonna bitch and be in denial, and say, "hurr durr, I can take on math/physics"

>>5183012
i understand the power of knowledge. what i'm saying is, it's simple a different type of knowledge.

for instance, you (for simplicity sake) know much more about the facets of science than i do, however, i know much more about the process of software architecting and engineering than you.

we're not "better" than the other, just different.

Why do people on this board assume engineers memorize equations and don't do shit? Most of the ChemE's in my class do research on campus, and we learn the science behind things in order to apply it. An engineer who doesn't know what's going on is a shitty engineer

>>5183012
Not OP, but us engineers have our own masters and PhDs. We perform our own research, write our own papers and further our own fields.

Saying that we "will practically never understand the true complexity of math and science" is meaningless, because it can be readily countered by the statement that scientists and mathematicians will never understand the beauty and complexity of a truly efficient and completely practical structure or system in any sense beyond numbers on a page.

Science and engineering are different sides of the same coin. We have the same basis, but different goals.

Do software engineers actually find their job interesting or are they in it just for the money?

I'm currently reading Software Engineering A Practitioner's Approach by Roger S. Pressman. I mean, how much of the shit in that horrid text book is actually used? I swear it can be condensed into a few statements:

>Understand what the client wants
>Identify and mitigate risks
>Plan the software before implementing it
>Test and evaluate your software

Models for this and that, barrages of acronyms, and diagrams for every little thing makes me think software engineers are trying to make their job seem harder than it really is.

>>5183041
i started young (6th grade?) out of interest, then i wanted to pursue it more for the money, but i can honestly say i enjoy my fucking job so much.

>Models for this and that, barrages of acronyms, and diagrams for every little thing makes me think software engineers are trying to make their job seem harder than it really is.
a lot of engineers like to make things harder than they really are just to seem smarter. this is called "over engineering"...i've had my fair share of experience with these asshole at my workplace

>>5183038
The sad part is that you KNOW there are ton of your classmates that are in the "C's get Degrees" crowd. They don't apply themselves, won't do research, and will end up sitting at some control panel in a plant for the next 35 years instead of developing their science and expanding their horizons.

>>5183051
Don't mind me. I have a software engineering mid term tomorrow and trying to study from Pressman's book seems futile. His definitions and explanations are vague and verbose.

>>5183070
once you get a real corporate engineering job, 90% of the theory bullshit they teach you at uni (even for my MS) is totally irrelevant.

in reality, it's about as simple as: "just build the fucking software"

>>5183022
Well they are in fact different, but both are immensely needed.
I myself, am tired of this rivalry. I'm a physics major, and most of my friends are engineers. Yes, physics is a lot fucking harder.
In the end, engineers are needed to advance earth in many aspects, while physicists are needed for the searching of answers in the universe; for example, the origin of man. You may think that's nothing big, IMO, it depends of the person. I'm majoring in physics because before I age and die, I want to understand the world and beyond the starts, and discover the answers of the most complex questions. Knowledge to me, is a fucking gift. Knowledge is power.

I agree with OP 100%

Engineering is practical application of Science.

Zuckerberg looks like he's fucking 30 now.

>>5183105
>dat high pressure job
obama has aged incredibly fast too. shit's crazy.

You guys make it sound like it's impossible to be a physicist and an engineer at the same time.

>>5183115

It's actually the smartest thing to do.
On the other hand, I'm probably gonna take on math as well as a second major.

>>5183110

Not sure if I would want that if I had a chance to have it.

I wonder what it is that makes you age faster. Is it just stress in general? lack of sleep?

Something I should look up...

>>5183127
Wouldn't lack of sleep lead to a more stressful life in general?

>>5183194
viscous cycle!

>>5183115

That feel when I think I want to take EE, Math and Comp sci and go to school year round.

>software "engineering"

>software "engineering"
>with engineering, science is useless.

mfw you said with. all of my shiggiddydiggiddy.

>>5183316
>implying i didn't correct myself in the very next post

what's /sci/'s issue with differential equations?

i'm a third order differential equation with no general solution, make no sense to ~99.5% of the population, and live life in quiet complexity.

science and differential equations go hand in hand...differential equations is essentially the theoretical backbone of science. what gives? you /sci/fags really can't solve me? have fun being a fucking lab rat at a university with your useless degree, whilst my diff-EQ status gives me the incapability to be solved by your bitch asses.

with science, differential equations don't exist. without differential equations, science is useless. deal with it.

>tfw I'm an engineer-researcher
If you can't do both, you're just lazy.

Btw, it's not really true that engineering wouldn't exist without science. Engineering started as the art of building war machines, it was only linked to science from the XVIIIth century.

Hey Faggots,
My name is Felix, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are nerdy, asexual no-lifes who spend every second of their day fiddling with stupid ass test tubes. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever worked in industry? I mean, I guess it’s fun making up convoluted theories because of your own obsession with the physical universe, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to academic journals by PhDs.
Don’t be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I’m pretty much perfect. I was head engineer of NSU, and a Nazi engineer designing parts for fucking fighter planes. What trade do you practice, other than “run experiments in a controlled environment in perfect compliance with the scientific method”? I also get contracts from Mercedes and Mazda, and have a banging hot engine (She just blew a tip seal; Shit was SO cash). You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.
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>>5183336
>Engineering started as the art of building war machines, it was only linked to science from the XVIIIth century.


Wow, nice. I should get into engineering's history.

>>5183360
Think about the origins of the word "engine." Nowadays it refers to a motor, but in the past, it referred to the powered element of a train, and before that to labor-simplifying machines such as the cotton gin... but well before all of that, it referred to catapults, battering rams and other siege engines.

>>5182932
I'm a sandwich engineer, I don't know why they're so mean either OP.

>>5183012
Personally, I don't really want to know how much there is yet to learn.
The point of being an engineer is learning enough about physics and maths to apply them to everyday (and sometimes, extraordinary) problems, then finding a way to solve them.

I don't need to know quantum physics to develop / build / maintain big-ass factory machines.

I'm grateful to you guys for figuring out all the stuff you figure out though.
And you have to admit, without engineering you'd be just as screwed as we would be without scientists. We'd have no basis for what we do, and you'd lack the equipment to conduct experiments.

Scientists produce papers, engineers translate them into something usable.

I think most of us had a point in life where we choose either engineering or math+physics, I am not ashamed to admit that I choose engineering over physics because of $$$.

They fields are similar (kinda, not really), but one actually pays. Not everyone can deal with being a poorfag forever and not everyone wants to get a phd and do research or be a highschool teacher.

>>5183519
If that's really the issue, the choice could have been made latter.
I mean it's not like you don't see PhDs going into banking or strategic consulting or whatever.

>>5183519
Wait you had PhD teachers in high school?
What sort of high school was that?

Engineering is the white mans game, the Europeans game.
Today, pure science is done by the jews.

What do you want to be a part of:
The breathtaking, practical innovations of the Aryan engineers; or the filthy science of the cowardly kike?

>>5183536

typically, you choose at the end of highschool when applying for universities.
Engineering is great if your a poorfag that isn't so well off. My single mother will probably be dependnt on me in the future and I choose the field with the guaranteed return.

The career prospects for physics/math seem to be questionable and I cannot afford to gamble.

>>5183550
>Jew spotted

Good game jew, good game.