/sci/ - Science & Math

What other mental disorder(s) do you have besides MPD, Teacup?

Why do you dedicate so much time shitposting on /sci/? It's not even that good of shitposting. It's just copy-paste trollshit from the /b/ raids circa 2010.

You could be in grad school for physics. Instead you've taken the NEET route and permanently damaged your brain.

>>5171915
then become a billionaire and fuck off already

Hop to it then.

Cool, care to show some video footage, datasets and explanation to your work?

SAVE THE WORLD FROM DEPENDCY ON OIL ALREADY!

I don't. You assume too much OP. Perpetual motion merely reroutes existing energy. That's all.

In this game I have been playing called quantum conundrum there are 2 dimensions, a heavy dimension and a fluffy dimension.

Everything in the heavy dimension instantly has more mass and everything in the fluffy dimension has less.

To Be continued.......

>>5171953
What drives you to shipost on /sci/?

I have been able to write some programs in java that create fluffy and heavy dimensions and precisely these angles since 1 side constantly have more mass than the other this simulation will run forever.

Not sure if I want a noble prize though, it seems kinda passe.

>>5171968
Very cool, but magnets are more powerful. Those rolling balls can only generate so much torque. Better off writing a script to show the best angles for magnet alignment.

>I have created MANY, WORKING perpetual motion machines in my lifetime.
You can make claims, but unless you back them with evidence they are meaningless

>>5171979
I've proven this 5 MINUTES before your post.

>>5171915
>>inb4 laws of thermodynamics
>These laws are falsifiable and can be disproven at anytime just like alchemy. Thermodynamics is a mere protoscience

Sir, you are technically correct.
But, using that as a means to suggest that it's potential to be invalidated will come from you is laughable.

Present the maths.

OP, if you would, start working on getting funding... so we can buy in early and then sell out early and make a profit. Extra internet points if you post here BEFORE your trip down funding lane so we have a heads up.

>>5171915

I've also made perpetual motion machines.

Loads of them.

They actually run the entire north-eastern hemisphere.

I also have words, plenty of words, I can say of the words I have in any order, I can use them to make stories, but I can't use them to demonstrate anything objectively.

In truth, we both have words. One of us may have a device that doesn't follow the laws of thermodynamics, but it will never matter on this board, in this place, if you only talk about it and don't actually show it.

So then, what are you going to do? Delve in to an infinite well of cluttered useless information or show us what you've done?

Please prove my ACTUAL POINTS wrong before you derogate me, trolls.

>>5171968
>>5171953

OP doesn't realise that the second law has already been proven in the macroscopic limit for most random variables using stat mech.

>>5172039
You have the burden of proof mate.

>>5172044
GIVE ME ONE REASON THIS WOULD NOT WORK.

>perpetual motion

The funny thing is, energy is entering the system on these.

It's either heat, gravity, the rotation of the earth, ambient radiation, magnetism, and so on.

>>5172046

>>5171968
Anyone can make a program do whatever they want it to, that doesn't prove shit unless you have an actual video of a constructed machine.

>>5172046

You've tainted your own methods by WANTING specific results too much.

Perpetual motion is an emotional ideal to you, you need it to work for your feelings to work.

>>5172046
Aside from the fact that you have no way of creating and focusing different weighted dimensions, even if you could, this sounds a lot like you are adding power to the system in order to change gravity. Similar to pouring water on a wheel.

>>5172046
Because heavy and fluffy dimensions cannot real.

>>5171915
>(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST)
Why not banned? This is an >>>/x/ troll thread, you fucking shit tier pseudoscientific faggot mod

>>5171915
/sci/ is full of edgy guys who are too cool to consider anything including the name 'perpetual'. The thing is they think your machine is supposed to magically generate energy out of nowhere. They are too retarded to realize it uses 2 natural persistent forces and arrange it so it goes into circular motion to support each other. I've seen real examples and they all work just fine.
The only problem is that the energy output is so low that you can't really make it useful. You should know how fast a dynamo has to turn to even light up a small led, these perpetual machines hardly make up that kind of spin to compansate the friction. If you can only make a huge replica of the magnet motor using huge magnets and a huge device, it would worth your time and money. Because even 5x2x1 cm neodymium magnets are like 10 dollars each. So you need like 400 of them to make it work. And nobody goes for it because the idea sounds "crackpot"
If you can finance the device, go for it. It will worth the result.

>>5172084
He's deleting threads left and right as we speak. I was waiting for replies to my funnies.

>>5172095
There is no energy output. Are you fucking 15? Do you not know what conservation of energy means?

Please go back to >>>/b/, magnets do not contribute any kinetic energy. You do not understand high school fucking electrodynamics.

>>5172101
Suppose there is a weight suspended by a pulley as such.
http://img.ehowcdn.com/article-new/ehow/images/a04/vk/km/much-weight-pulley-off_-800x800.jpg

obviously gravity is a force that pulls the weight down. To keep the weight suspended, an equal force needs to be exerted.

What if a magnet was attached to the open end. Is the magnet exerting a force opposite to gravity to keep the weight suspended then?

>>5172101
Needs to be more edgy. Did you even see the machine tardy ?

>>5172107
The electromagnetic field is conservative.

>>5172109
What machine?

>>5172113
Please explain good spirit.

>>5172114
I was talking about the machines I saw myself. But heres something close to it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zqG-TL0WnjE#t=146s

>>5172116
What kind of mental disorder do you have? You realize you need to donate energy to this machine to rotate it? You also know you have to donate energy to assemble the aligned charges which create the magnetic field from infinity? Rotating an object with constant velocity uses no energy to maintain. With friction it will loose energy and eventually stop. If you add a static magnetic field to the object, it will gain some finite potential energy. That's it.

>>5172115
You get more medical electronics malfunctions under a socialized medical system.

>>5172116
Oh, not this shit again. The maintenance guy for our building came by our club one evening to ask about it. It felt bad to take his dreams of infinite energy away from him, but that's life.

>>5172115
What would you like me to explain? The magnets will indeed exert a conservative force on each other. When two magnets come together, the energy in the field around them is reduced. You need energy to assemble the weight/magnets in such a configuration.I f we separate two magnets we create field in a region of space where there was no field before. So this process requires us to do work, and two magnets kept apart configure a system with positive energy. Conversely, by joining two magnets we destroy magnetic field and hence reduce the systems's energy.

>>5172125
The magnets are applying a constant force to it. It would stop by friction if the wheel was turning on it's on without no force to rotate it. It will slow down to a point, yet will keep moving since the magnets are pushing it. This is highschool physics for fucks sake.

>>5172137
>yet will keep moving since the magnets are pushing it
No, it will not. This requires energy to maintain. You have friction from air resistance.

You are the one who needs to go take a high school physics course. Again, how fucking old are you? Go do it yourself. Please come back when you have a device that runs in open atmosphere and spontaneously donates energy to surpass resistance from air.

>>5172143
Did you watch the video ? Are you blind or do you have comprehension problems ?

>>5172084
>Not knowing perpetual motion is possible
>Never having heard of super fluids
>Not knowing the difference between perpetual motion and infinite energy

>fullarchaeologist.papyrus

>laws of thermodynamics
>can be disproven at anytime
Sure, but who's disproven it? Surely not these magnet guys.

>>5172151
The fucking thing will not rotate forever, it will only rotate an extended amount of time because it has gained potential energy from the arrangement of the magnets. Apparently you do not know what air resistance is, nor do you understand what a magnetic field is.

>>5172155
Another fucking highschooler who thinks he knows CMphys from reading a popsci article. You need energy to cool the material, you fucking idiot.

Why can't you understand entropy?

>>5172161
Think of the magnetic force as the motors fuel that runs a car tire. Now this car will run until the fuel ends, not matter what kind of friction it encounters. The friction will not stop the car because the motor is applying it a permanent force to rotate.
In this case, the motor is the magnetic device that keeps pushing it. It won't stop because of the air friction or any kind of friction that isn't strong enough to stop the device in the first place. However, it will stop when the magnets lose their magnetic arrangement and stop being magnets, which has no study or research to tell even approximately when.

>>5171983
You've proved nothing. Video game dimensions and a Java program are not actual proof. It may work in theory with rediculous "fluffy" dimensions taken into account, but there are no actual fluffy dimensions, so it could not be used practically.

Although congrats for proving how Quantum Conundrum (made by the Portal folks, amirite?) violates an essential law of physics.

>>5172025
>A and B buttons reversed
>start and select reversed
jesus fucking christ did that person never even use a gameboy?

>>5172165
>Still doesn't understand the difference between perpetual motion and infinite energy
>Doesn't understand simple english sentences

>user was banned for this post
How rich.

>>5172171
Your analogy is both infantile and nonsensical.

>Think of the magnetic force as the motors fuel that runs a car tire.
A magnetic field is a conservative field. How many times do I have to emphasize this? What is wrong with American high school teachers, nowadays? <span class="math">dF=0[/spoiler].

>Now this car will run until the fuel ends, not matter what kind of friction it encounters.
Confirmed for not knowing Newtonian physics. <span class="math">- \Delta V=\dot{p}[/spoiler]! Friction exerts a force, and this requires another force to overcome.

>The friction will not stop the car because the motor is applying it a permanent force to rotate.
If the motor applies a constant force, friction will slow it down. For the third time, how fucking old are you?

>In this case, the motor is the magnetic device that keeps pushing it.
A magnet is not a fucking motor. It emits a conservative field.

> It won't stop because of the air friction or any kind of friction that isn't strong enough to stop the device in the first place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_mechanics#Forces.3B_Newton.27s_second_law

>However, it will stop when the magnets lose their magnetic arrangement and stop being magnets, which has no study or research to tell even approximately when.
Friction exerts a force. This means acceleration. Air molecules which hit the device will donate momentum. The magnetic field is conservative, and this means that momentum will not come out of nowhere to counteract this.

If I was a mod, I would permanently ban you for a batshit insane level of conceptual difficulties with intuitive, primary school physics. You have some sort of serious brain damage.

>ITT
>no net work done
>google it

>>5172182
I don't think YOU understand what perpetual motion means. Here's the STANDARD definition:
Perpetual motion describes "motion that continues indefinitely without any external source of energy; impossible in practice because of friction."

A particle will move at a constant velocity wrt some observer forever, obviously. This is simple energy conservation. Just like the planet orbits the sun. Please go back to >>>/b/ with your childish reaction images and high school understanding of physics.

>>5172193
According to your logic, the device in the video was supposed to slow down in time as soon as the guy started it, and not speed up by itself. There is a reason why imbeciles like you don't get to be mods or janitors I gues.

>>5172211
> the device in the video was supposed to slow down in time as soon as the guy started it
Holy shit. Do you know ANYTHING about electrodynamics? A changing magnetic field results in acceleration. When he started the device, it accelerated. DURRRRRRR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations#Conceptual_description

How old are you? Seriously. Please answer my question. Are you even in a university? Have you even attended a primary school?

>>5172198
>Doesn't know the difference between adding energy and taking energy
>Implying fully isolated systems can exist
>Implying friction is of any relevance to superfluids
>Using wikipedia as your source

You're just embarrassing yourself

>>5172229
>implying superfluids dont have intersting properties regarding friction

Why is it that when I eat large meals right before bed, my probability of having vivid or surreal dreams increase?

>>5172228
So when do you suppose the magnet will stop because of the air friction ?

>>5172229
>>Doesn't know the difference between adding energy and taking energy
What does this have to do with anything? You have the reading comprehension of a six year old child.

>>Implying fully isolated systems can exist
This is also irrelevant, but no. Now you are just trolling. Please show me one which isn't hypothetical.

>>Implying friction is of any relevance to superfluids
Very funny. Apparently you think bosonic fluids are immune to entropy and inelastic scattering.

>>Using wikipedia as your source
So we are going to trust an anonymous troll over a decently written Wikipedia article? Where do you disagree? What is your physics education?

>>5172237
I'd need to have a datasheet on the magnets that were used, dimensions of the device, and the force he initially applied to calculate this.

Guessing, most likely 30 minutes or so.

>>5172256
The machine they showed me was running for atleast a week when I last saw it, so...

>>5172273
And you sat there the entire week while watching it, including when they initially spun it?

You also realize personal accounts are the weakest evidence imaginable in science, right?

>>5172273
no one here believe you, go away.

>>5172248
You left your trip off, Fundie.

>>5172280
Beat me to it.

It will run or a long time, but seriously

>maybe if i make a more complicated arrangement of magnets it will unlock free energy. they laughed at <insert scientist here> didn't they?!?

>>5172280
> atleast a week when I last saw it
> when I last saw it
Two students from a science fair built it, and have it running in a glass box out in the public. They may have played with it privately which I doubt, but I can confirm it ran atleast for 5 hours since I was there myself. Yeah it's hard to believe to testimonials but unfortunately I don't give a shit if you believe or not. I tried to tell you it's real, but a moron like you can stay illiterate about it, no value will be lost.

>>5172287
I'm not a fundie, and I don't have a trip here.

I'm still laughing that you think superfluids are immune to temperature fluctuations and phase transitions

>>5172301
>believe me on my word against all common sense and scientific law or be a moron

ITT: One samefag troll and one retard taking the bait.

>>5172301
Feel free to work out all of the math yourself.

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MODS=GODS

>>5172309
Scientific law ? What scientific law have you proposed to disprove a machine that you haven't even seen ? Also thats your idea not common sense.

>>5172319
You forgot that the machine follows the laws of physics.

Please go away, troll.

>>5172321
> nothing at all
thanks for letting us know

I approve of this thread