/sci/ - Science & Math

No there are not. Even if they were, the rest of Einstein's equations would prove it to be false.

For example, time dilation: sqrt( 1 - ((velocity) / (speed of light) ^ 2)

Given a speed faster than the speed of light (for example, 1.05 * light) you'd get: sqrt( 1 - (1.05 / 1)^2) which evaluates to sqrt(1 - 1.1025) which evaluates to sqrt(-0.1025) which cannot be evaluated any further.

Einsteins relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists.

-Nikola Tesla

I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties. He has not, but only attributes and these are of our own making. Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, for one, refuse to subscribe to such a view.

-Tesla

>>5077940
>>5077957
Tesla was cool and all, but he was dead wrong on this.

Posting his quotes is just an appeal to authority.

>>5077777
Quints never lie.

>>5077972

>implying Einstein faggots are not the ones appealing to authority

>>5077986
All the observational evidence is consistent with all experimental data, and has made claims that have been shown to be true.

Can Tesla's theory say the same?

>>5077989

CERN proved faster than light particles brah. Einstein has been debunked. But of course after a couple of months the physicists realized they would lose their jobs so they reversed and said it was "faulty wiring". Bunch of lying faggots.

Not to mention Einsteins theories has provided nothing of tangible value.

>inb4 lololol touch screen lololol sollid state drive

those claims are fucking bullshit.

Tesla on the other hand pretty much invented the 21st century.

>>5077999
Except relativity gives us things like GPS and broadband. Tesla gave us A/C and electric motors that run on A/C.

>>5077999
3/10

>>5078002

Tesla predicted the internet decades before anyone else.

>>5078002

Einstein's relativity did not give us shit. All those claims are bullshit spouted by "physicists" to keep their job.

>>5078007
Those pesky physicists, what do they know, right?

>>5078011
[citation needed]

He was a cool dude, sure. A god? Not by a long shot.

>>5078014

People that drained blood to cure diseases called themselves "Doctors". That doesn't mean they knew what the fuck they were talking about.

>>5078015
"it will be possible for a business man in New York to dictate instructions, and have them instantly appear in type at his office in London or elsewhere. He will be able to call up, from his desk, and talk to any telephone subscriber on the globe, without any change whatever in the existing equipment. An inexpensive instrument, not bigger than a watch, will enable its bearer to hear anywhere, on sea or land, music or song, the speech of a political leader, the address of an eminent man of science, or the sermon of an eloquent clergyman, delivered in some other place, however distant. In the same manner any picture, character, drawing, or print can be transferred from one to another place."

-Tesla (1908)

>>5077999

2/10

i'll give you a couple points for making a relatively sophisticated troll, but really you're pushing believability too much here. better luck next time

>>5078014
What do you think happens if they try to put forward another theory?

They get ridiculed, and their funding is cut. That childish behavior is rampant in the science community. It's because they are stuck in their belief system. (Just like religious fools) They "believe" something is right, and for many reasons, they refuse to believe it. So they ridicule it. Take a look at /sci/, even.
>Something that isn't considered correct by "mainstream" science
>Thread is spammed with shitposters saying take it to /x/

>Tesla predicted Iphone lulz

"Within a few years a simple and inexpensive device, readily carried about, will enable one to receive on land or sea the principal news, to hear a speech, a lecture, a song or play of a musical instrument, conveyed from any other region of the globe."

-Tesla(1905)

Would all the Oatmeal diehards please gtfo this thread?

Not only did Tesla think faster than light was possible. He proved it in experiments.

Pic related

>>5078070

Why do anti-tesla fags always talk about oatmeal? what the fuck does oatmeal have to do with anything? jesus fuckin christ

you know, ironically the ac power distribution system tesla helped create is actually hugely inferior to a dc one in a lot of ways, namely that dc currents are a lot safer (due to the impedance properties of human skin) and don't create 60 hz noise (a significant problem when making medical devices for obvious reasons)

>>5078086

>butthurt edison fag detected

Good thing Tesla invented wireless transmission of power too. Too bad it demolished by the oligarchs. literally demolished.

Pic related

>>5078086
Except d/c has severe transmission distance problems. Go ahead, try to push a d/c supply more than a mile. I dare you.

>>5078072
There is no proof offered here whatsoever. Give the details of said "experiments" so every one else can reproduce the results. So far all I'm reading is sensationalist bullshit.

>>5078086

Edison electrocuted an elephant to scare people from A/C.

Pic related. It's the electrocuted elephant

>>5078091

nah bro, edison was a dick, i don't like him. just pointing out the facts.

also, i hope you realized this, but wireless transmissions would still produce 60 hz noise, that really only fixes half the issue

>>5078094

Ask the united states government. They have all of his papers. And they will not release them for "national security" reasons.

>>5078095

yes, exactly. edison was kind of a dick, but he was right about ac electricity. skin has a time-dependent resistance that causes decreased effects from dc current (due to charge accumulation), but the 60 hz ac used in wall sockets nicely offsets this to deliver a constant flow of electricity through your skin

>>5078101
Hurr durr teh gobernmen has dem isn't proof either. If you're SO SURE that shit is real, then why can't you give me the math on it? Please, I'd love to read and consider it. Show me the mathz, and I'll begin experimentation right now.

>>5078109

"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality."

>>5078121
I'll take that as a no. Come back when you've got math to back your shit up.

>>5078121

cool, more quotes. quotes are way more convincing than math or experimental data. idk about everyone else, but i'm sold

>>5078135

For fucks sake the government has all of the experimental data. Why are anti-tesla fags incapable of grasping this?

Let's look at some of Tesla's inventions from his experiments

A/C, Radio, Radar, Remote control ect.. I think it is safe to say tesla is not the person to make up bullshit.

Don't ask me for the data, ask the government. They are the ones that fucking have it.

>>5078141
So recreate it, you seem to be so certain about it's validity. Recreate it. Or just give me the math that indicates such a thing exists, and I'll attempt to recreated such "experiments". Until then, kindly go die in a fire.

>>5078142

I am sorry sir I do not have access to a lab in Colorado to recreate it. Nor do I have access to Tesla's papers to know where to start. It is you that should kindly blow your fucking head off.

Please die faggot, please die now.

>>5078146
SO, you... know nothing about math or science... and you expect us to take you seriously... why, again?

Also, if this shit is true the experimental equipment involves a grounded metal cage, a powerful magnet (easily available on the internet) and two CB radios. Are you really that poor?

>>5078152

>implying it's that easy

>>5078156
It is exactly that easy. The nutters claim the existence of a "tesla wave" or "tesla ratiation", which travels faster than light, and can pass through conventional Faraday caging. Pass so much as a microsend's worth of a broadcast into a Faraday cage, and I'll take you seriously. Give a plausible mathematical hypothesis that would allow for such a thing, and I'll test it myself.

>>5078141
When Tesla said that (1934), he was a crazy, bitter, penniless 78 year old man who had been out of the scientific community for decades, and pretty much just popped out and threw crazy quotes at popular science journals once a year (the one you cite was published in Modern Mechanics and Inventions). These are extremely rigorously tested theories in relativity and quantum mechanics, the understanding of which is the only reason you have electrical computers, advanced medicine, nuclear power, and so on, and so on. You don't need special government secret tests to verify that they work, you can look at basic physical phenomena that necessitate these explanations.

>>5078162

When Galileo said that the earth wasn't flat he was crazy, bitter, and about to be burned at the stake for his sins. He wrote books when he was crazy(which were banned because they were wrong. These are extremely rigorously tested theories in navigation. The understanding of which is the only reason you are able to travel city to city, grow your crops when the sun comes around and so on. You don't need secret data to verify that the earth is flat. You can look at basic physical phenomena that necessitate these explanations.

>>5078162
And really, I think in the future all this Tesla worshipping consipiracy shit should just go to >>>/x/.

>>5078190
Except with Galileo the easily observable facts were ones that supported his conclusions, and with Tesla it was the other way around.

>>5078192
Fuck yes, this shit doesn't belong here.

>Invented some shit.
>Cool guy, I guess.
>????
>God.

That shit's got to go.

>>5078194

>implying it is not Tesla that is backed up by easily observable facts
>implying you are not wrong

>>5078190
Let me guess some other things you believe:
>weed is illegal because it makes people think outside the box
>government control via fluoridation, chemtrails, etc.
>they faked the first moon landing

>>5078199
What easily observable facts imply that relativity is wrong? There are a bunch of things you can measure with nothing more than a backyard telescope, a cheap camera, and a computer that require special relativity to make any sense at all. Plus electron spin, particle decay times, relativistic doppler ships for atomic absorption, and other things that correlate directly to observable real world effects that you don't even need to have a lab to check out.

>>5078208

The fact that CERN detected faster than light particles.

Decades after Tesla said he did.

Oh wait.... they came out a couple months later and said it was "faulty wiring" Thats a good one! faulty wiring!

>>5078218
Except they didn't.
Which is more likely:
1) They fucked up.
2) Thousands, maybe tens of thousands of people are all in on a vast conspiracy that they cover up perfectly. Not a single slip.

You do the math, eh, if you can do any.

>>5078219

All it takes is one person motherfucker.

Head Faggot:

"fuck fuck fuck this disproves our entire profession, we will all be out of a job"

months later

Head Faggot:

"Good news boys, Jim the electrician said it was a fault in the wiring"

>>5078221
>
I'll be discontinuing this conversation now.

>>5078198
Not the same person, but.

Weed, like all psychedelics, has an effect called ego death. This can show people their belief system that they are stuck in, as it helps to bring them out of it. The world revolves around keeping people stuck in their belief system as, like I'm sure you will do, it makes people simply ignore contradictory evidence and dismiss.
The people are reduced in capacity from fluoridation, and chemtrails. They contain hazardous chemicals that are bad for mental health. It keeps them in the pre-mentioned belief system.

You will, however, dismiss this information as you don't believe it to be true. That, and it's hard to pick out what's real with all the shit that is given to us.

>>5078219
>Thousands, maybe tens of thousands of people are all in on a vast conspiracy that they cover up perfectly
Except they don't, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.

They cover it up with false research put out, and by programming people to not even consider the evidence and automatically assume that it's false. Exactly with what you are doing.

>>5078221

> Implying physicists will lose their jobs when it turns out we don't understand the universe.

What is this I don't even

>>5078221
That's not really how it works. Making a discovery like that wouldn't put anybody out of a job, it would give them lots of really fun, profitable work for years to come and greatly expand the inquiry and horizons of physics.

>>5078223

>snopes, wikipedia
>reliable

pick one

>>5078227
Still slidin'.

>>5078223
Also, big particle physics experiments don't just have one dude in charge, and if they did, they wouldn't put him in charge of inspecting every part of the setup for faulty wiring. ALSO, if his motivation was not wanting to somehow lose his job, why would he admit false fault which forced him to step down, instead of continue pressing the truth which would make him a scientific hero and win him a Nobel prize?

>>5078231
>Is that directed at the correct post?

>>5078223
Although admittedly, that is a rather accurate portrayal of this argument.

>>5078236
I was wondering about that...

>>5078234
Nope, wrong one. >>5078221

>>5077777
Use the next field up and consider two dimensional time.

Relativity is a hell of a drug, OP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmWO4Vtk-s8

NDT status = mind=blown

>>5078299
>Implying anyone is going to take a youtube video seriously as a citation for anything.
>

>>5078305
>implying it was posted as a serious argument

did you take your meds today, Sperglord?

>>5078309
>/sci
>Not serious
That's what all of the other boards are for. This one is for science. No fun allowed.

>>5078315
Tesla died a crazy virgin. That's pretty funny.

>>5078319
That's just sad.

>>5078320
Oppenheimer was a tranny. That's pretty funny.

>>5078323
That's just weird.

>>5078162
>Rigorously tested
You mean the math follows the formula. Which is simply slightly edited whenever it is found wrong, instead of completely revised.
I'm not even a teslafag, but he is fucking right.
Todays scientists have substituted mathematics for experimentation.

>>5078346
>lolwut?
>Does this look like pure mathematics?

>>5078346
We haven't substituted it, we just do more of it now, with good reason. As >>5078351 points out we're not exactly idle on the experimental front.

>>5078351
>Speed of light is broken
>HURR FAULTY WIRING
Nah nigga, nah.
Easier to believe scientists would lie to keep their hard worked for credibility than accept that they caused the entire scientific community to follow the wrong path.

>>5077748
>>light is the maximum speed limit in the universe

What? No. You should really think about implications in precise terms.

>>5078358
Why would that make them lose anything? They'd get shit tonnes more money for research, and win nobels, so you can cram your conspiracy bullshit in whatever subspace you find appropriate.

>>5078361
Provide evidence to the contrary or fuck off.

>>5078360
No. The people who found it out work get those things.
The "heads" of the scientific community would be left in the dust until they found something even better than "The whole of science has been completely wrong for the past few decades" And that is hard to top.

>>5078363
>hurr I can't observe it so it must be the maximum speed
Moron.
I bet you think if I do something behind your back it's impossible too.

Unobservable =/= impossible.
Light allows us to observe our world. Something moving faster than that doesn't move back in time ( there is no such thing ), it just means shit happens before you can physically observe -why- it is happening.

I know to same dark age monkeys that is a scary concept.

>>5078365
>waterslide.jpg

>>5078371
>waterslide.jpg

>>5078369
>/sci/ still pays attention to xcd
Really? Post that tripe on any other board and you get laughed out of the thread. Looks like he knows his target audience very well.

>>5078373
>waterslide.jpg

This mercury is delicious

-Nikola Tesla

>>5078377
You realize I'm not doing this to be correct or prove you wrong, I'm doing this to spread ideas and find new ones.

Because no one seems to understand the concept of "Shit can happen faster than the eyes can see; in the past people made shit up to account for it, right now shit theoretically can happen faster than they eyes can see, and now they say it's time traveling as opposed to just not being observable"

>>5078384
>Waterslide.jpg

>>5078385
Now you're just being an asshole for no reason.

>>5078389

>waterslide.jpg

>>5078393
anon pls im cring

>>5078399
>waterslide.jpg

>>5078402
>waterslide.jpg

>>5078409
>Waterslide.jpg

>>5078412
>Waturslod.jgk

>>5078417
>waterslide.jpg

>>5078371

>implying we need light to make observations

You seem to be arguing from a point of ignorance.
I don't know anything about the theory, however, the idea that physicists would "cover up" one of the most ground-breaking discoveries in the history of mankind seems a tad far-fetched.

>>5078369
>waterslide.jpg
>.jpg
nigga what the fuck are you doing

einstein was a massive faggot who's theories were propagated by the elite to keep us plebs in the dark and hide advanced technology

"No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong." - Albert Einstein

"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." - Albert Einstein

"If a single one of the conclusions drawn from it [relativity theory] proves to be wrong, it must be given up; to modify it without destroying the whole structure seems to be impossible." - Albert Einstein

"
I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based on the field concept, i.e., on continuous structures. In that case nothing remains of my entire castle in the air, gravitational theory included, [and of] the rest of modern physics.

" - Albert Einstein

>>5080359

and that my friends is why the CERN faggots had to blame the result on "faulty wiring"

>>5080366
>bawwww I want FTL to be possible
Stay butthurt, conspiracyfag.

>>5080377

stay slave, sheep fag

>>5080385
>>5080366
>>>/x/
don't come back

>>5080398

the butthurt of the einstein fags is delicious. i have destroyed their false god. Where do they go now? They realize that all the hours of work they out in his for a false god. The best they can do is lololololol go to/x/. These are the type of people that would have wanted gallileo to be burned at the stake.

>>5080405

>inb4 lol gramar error

There have been multiple checks confirming that OPERA got it wrong the first time. If you're interested in the details, look at:

http://kds.kek.jp/sessionDisplay.py?sessionId=18&confId=9151

>>5080405
>ramblings of a mad man

>>>/x/

>>5080421

a second test in italy confirmed faster than light for a second time

http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110922/full/news.2011.554.html

>>5080465
>2011
lel 10/10 troll man xD

>>5080467

Also Tesla proved faster than light in 1900. I dont see what the year has to do with it. Truth is truth brah.

>>5080480
>proved FTL....
[CITATION FUCKING NEEDED]
Also, why hasn't such been replicated by... I dunno... EVERY PHYSICIST WHO WANTS A NOBEL PRIZE?!

>>5080490

First of all the nobel prize is a fucking joke. Second, 99.9% of "physicists" are autistic mathematicians and not scientists at all so they would be incapable of replicating it. Thirdly both CERN and the lab in italy detected faster than light. Later CERN bent to political pressure and recanted.


>>5078072

citation

>>5080512
>Nobel prize
>Remembered forever for helping mankind understand the universe
>?????
>fuck that
Also,
That's not a citation, that's some sensational journalism bullshit.

>>5078040
ASTONISHING! He predicted what every science fiction book for the last 90 years could have predicted with only slight imagination and childlike wonder.

No objects can go through space faster than time, but there's a loop hole: space can go through space infinitely fast. Get a bubble of space.

>>5078371
there is a such thing as "back" in time, it's called kata.

>>5080359

einstein did not even take his own shit seriously. cant say i am suprised

>>5080699
Nigger, have you never heard of the "scientific method"?

>>5080719

einstein said it is impossible for experiments to prove his theory correct. thus it is not possible to apply the scientific method to his theory. You are the one that needs to learn to science faggot.

Well, he states that nothing can accelerate past the speed of light.
This means that things can be faster if that's their base speed, i.e. neutrinos

>>5080736
No theory is ever proven correct.
>this is you, lrn2science.

>>5080750
the idea is for a theory to become law. dumb bitch nigga

>>5080736

>>5080759
>law
Please, continue showing us all how little you understand science.

>>5080759
lel 0/10
back to >>>/b/ retard

>>5080766
>>5080765
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_law

>>5080750
Scientific theory=/=typical theories.
Scientific theories have reasonable evidence and justification, but they're called theories because they are not fully understood. That doesn't mean what we know isn't true, it just means that there's more out there to learn.

>>5078225
/x/ is ---> that way.
Go there with your fucking chemtrail bullshit

>>5080778
No, they're called theories because A models B; A =/= B .

>>5080759
nice try playing the dumb card acting like a tesla guy. reverse trolling. cant fool me fagot

>>5080736

>>5078047
But did he predict that it would be a rounded rectangle? It's a defining feature of the phone.

einstein was not a scientist. He did not use the scientific method

>>5080804

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG UR RIGHT. EINSTEIN FAGGOTS ARE THE ONES THAT SHOULD GO TO /X/

>>5080804
Others have used it and his theory is not unproven as of yet. Unless you think that loose cables are hard science

>>5080804
He had a flashlight and a stopwatch.

>>5080809
>Disproven
>Not 'unproven'
>Post 'disregarded'

>>5080856
>Arguing semantics makes me feel better about myself

>>5077748
the discovery that neutrinos might just break the speed of light
but this is still being tested

>>5080886
you are like months too late on that one man, sorry

it was shown that they had a 60 ns error in their circuits or something like that

no superluminal neutrinos :(

It doesnt matter if you cant travel faster than light if all points in space and time are connected

>>5080919
"
If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts."
- Albert Einstein

It has nothing to do with light whatsoever. Photos travel at 1 Planck lenght/Planck time in a vacuum. A more correct term is 'maximum velocity'. The only way for something to travel x Planck lengths in x-n Planck times, where n is a positive integer, is to teleport or travel through a wormhole. By definition, 'traveling' 'faster' than c (maximum velocity aka 'speed of light') would be teleportation.

>>5077940
>>5077957
Sort of. Space is made up of Planck volumes, but I wouldn't call it 'curved'. And yep, relativity is flawed.

>>5080976
>Photos
I meant to say photons.

einstein was wrong