/sci/ - Science & Math

why not

It can't happen fast enough for me.
>no muslims in space

Seriously. He can send me now, I don't care if I die along the way, get me off this rock.

Long as I can bring a nuclear reactor

>>5073624

well if you're a peon, you're essentially sacrificing a life of relative ease for one of danger, isolation, and unknowns.

I think I'll stay on Earth.

They can submerge my body in preservation gel so that future generations will know what a white person looked like.

>over the next 20 years
Veeery optimistic.
>Are you willing to detach from the world's population, and forgo the conveniences of everyday life on Earth inorder to ensure the survival of your species?
Fuck yes. Come back in six years when I'm a trauma surgeon.
>>5073680
You do realize that almost everyone who can afford to into space is white, right?

>>5073663
Considering even our unmanned rovers are nuclear powered, id say there is a high probability.

Although it wont be a traditional reactor due to cooling issues i think.

I think 40-50 years is a more accurate timeframe.

>>5073711
Everyone who can afford space is white? WTF are you talking about? Oooohh thats right, you're a dumb american so you think the universe revolves around you and your society.

Honestly, I expect people who are born and raised in the low gravity will end up with huge health problems. Going to Mars is just a way of ensuring your children will be fucked up.

It might be a good place to retire, though. The low gravity would be nice for arthritic joints.

>>5073724

I think the billionaire funding the project is in a better position to make an accurate prediction.

>You do realize that almost everyone who can afford to into space is white, right?

Yeah, but we should send Tibetans anyway. Take up a donation drive for it.

They've evolved in a low pressure, low temperature, high radiation environment. Plus, there's a whole bunch of them who are already exiles, with nothing to hold them back. They'll kick ass in space.

Free Tibet! On Mars!

>>5073831
>high radiation
What

>>5073663

theyre already a few leaps ahead of you

>>5073838
>high radiation
>What

Yep, they're high enough up that the atmosphere doesn't screen as much of it. It's not like living next to a nuclear reactor (actually, most of the extra radiation is UV, so not much like a reactor at all), but still. Mars doesn't have an ozone layer, after all.

Shouldn't we terraform the moon first since it's

a) much closer to earth

b) it'd serve as a practical steppingstone to other planets given its low-g nature and proximity to other planets

>>5073942
Colonize, yes. Terraform, no.

But you'd have even bigger risks of the gravity being bad for human development and long term health.

Honestly, walking on the moon is about the same as sitting in your chair. Everyone will end up obese.

>>5073824
>>5073948


> Go to Jupiter as toddler
> Weigh x2.5 more.
> get used to getting stronger
> get huge muscles
> come to earth
> compete in olympics.
> bring wives to Jupiter
> produce genetically superior offspring.


... i'm probably getting ahead of myself..

>>5074042

Never hurt to dream big, anon.

>>5074042
>jupiter
I hope you can swim in gas

>Are you willing to detach from the world's population, and forgo the conveniences of everyday life on Earth inorder to ensure the survival of your species?

> Hypothetical thinking mode activate!

That depends... If that "minduploading" and/or scanning my brain and altering a "blank slate" brain in another--tissue engineering made--body, from Transhumanist fiction proven feasible within my life time... I'd do it and pick straws with my copies. Otherwise, you'd have to force me unless I was already going to die soon and was thus in one of those "why the hell not" moments.

>>5074042
That isnt how evolution works.

Upper atmostphers of Venus! We will make floating cities and the air we breath is a lifting gas. Though if shit hits the fan and we fall, prepare for a VERY agonizing yet brief death.

>>5074087
>>5074094

> You will never be called a Jovian
> you will never be called the people of the failed star.
> you will never swim in gas.
> you will never be able to enjoy the potential evolutionary changes the Jovian environment might present to you.
> you will never be on a different planet from the horrors of MTV, religious nutbags, and politics that is closely associated with approval from said religious nutbags.
> oh spacebat, you had it lucky..

>>5074125

>You will never admire the breathtaking rings of Saturn in your orbiting Saturn house

>>5074125
>>5074138

But your brain and body emulation might.

>you will die before you can barely live long enough to donate your brain to scientists that want to try software brain emulation. Idiots will either burn your brain and body or let both rout thinking your going to some magically la la land of fairies and bird people in clouds.

Never mind...

I'll try and get my body frozen a la cryonics. Then when civilization collapses, people eat my perfectly preserved meat.

>>5074138

> ...right in the feels...

> you will never visit your Saturninan bro along with Martian bro to plan a roadtrip/spacetrip to Gliese 581c

> You will never go on space expeditions to other star systems.

> You will never be part of a glorious type 2 civilization.

/sci/ feels thread?

>that feel when buying your first robotic slave
>3.0 version is nearly indistinguishable from a human
>those dirty thoughts permeating your feelfactory lobe

>that zero-g feel when you take your first flying vehicle into the heavens.
>that feel of wonder as you eventually break through the atmosphere and see space unfiltered for the first time.
>that insignificant feel as you watch a little blue dot you once called home, shrink into nothingness on your journey to mars.

>>5074333
Can't see stars in space. Need atmosphere. Moon landing photoes have no stars for this reason. Sorry bro.

>>5074333
>feel
>>>/x/

Yes.

>>5074411
I need more trans human pictures.

>>5074431
>>5074411
>transhumanism
>/sci/
leave

>>5074433
shh, it's okay.

no need to cry.

>>5074433
lel

I remember when /sci/ was ~33% transhumanism.

it was a much nicer board back then.

how about you leave, cocksucker?

>>5074437
>it's okay.
>transhumanism on /sci/
pick one

>>5074441
>how about you leave, cocksucker?
Because I'm not the one who wants to discuss offtopic fairy tales that belong on /x/ and /lit/.

>>5074450
>no fun allowed autism

>>5074439
>>5074433
You seem upset.....

>>5074462
and you seem to like continuing your inane trolling

>>5074465
infantile transhumanism rubbish isn't allowed here

>>5074450

>mfw

>>5074450
>>5074469
But you fail to realize we are already trans-humans; in fact, science and trans-humanism are inextricably linked. The more we improve ourselves and technology, the more math and science we can do.

>>5074480
>mfw yfw

>>5074491
>infantile nonsense
>>>/x/
>>>/a/

>>5074469
>>5074450

learn to embrace change instead of fearing it

>>5074498
>the future of our species
>infantile nonsense

>>5074509
>i am a retarded high schooler who posts infantile cartoons
>>>/a/
>>>/co/
>>>/x/
>>>/lit/

>>5074512
I have been giving actual arguments. You have been name calling.

>>5074512
huehuehuehue

>>5074523
>infantile cartoon
you will soon enjoy your ban

>>5074527
>cartoon

>>5074535
>doesn't know what an infantile cartoon is
time for you to go now, friend

>>5074527
Ehh, /sci/ is just a waste of time anyways. If it's not a bunch of infantile highschoolers posting infantile cartoons, its a bunch of autist fucks that get mad if you even say anything remotely unscientific. If you're lucky there are a few /sci/ bros that actually have fun.

>>5074539
>infantile
Why does everyone keep using this word.
It makes you sound like a retard.

I was one of the youngest members of the Founder's Circle of MarsDrive. Just a bunch of old men and has beens having a dick waving contest between delta vee calculations and crying over rocket defunding. I was working on agriculture and regolith based manufacture, but nobody gave a fuck, so I got the fuck out.

I'd take the first shot over there, though.

There would eventually be enough power generation to allow a very slow data download a few hours a day. Could still communicate with earth fairly easily, which isn't much different than my life today.


>>5073831
Fucking lol'd.

>>5074333
>having your entire sense of consciousness transferred to a machine
>experiencing the cold vacuum of space directly though your skin
>feeling the solar wind in your heart

>>5074574
>core systems fail
>shut down
>pulled into the sun

>>5074555
I remember when Frank founded MarsDrive. I used to argue all the time on RedColony before it got invaded by spambots and everyone migrated to MarsDrive. I was MirariNefas, back in the day

>>5074555
Come to think of it, for a short time a few years ago I tried to start an academic article review tradition. I wanted to post a new article about life support systems or agriculture every week or two. Response was meager so I let it die after like two or three articles.

Part of that was my fault, I wasn't sure if I could get away with posting an article on a public site, considering you technically are supposed to pay for them. So I'd post summaries and hint that I'd send the articles directly in email. I should have been more proactive though, I don't think everyone figured out that I'd just send anyone the damn article as long as it wasn't part of a public record that could get a cease and desist order from elsevier sent at us

>>5074579
Finally one with the universe

>>5074581
Still have Frank and Hal in a few of my chat contact lists. They message me every once in a while. Been thinking about giving the program another shot now that I have a bit of cash to throw at research.

Thinking about getting into waste resource management.
>re: piss engineering

>>5074591
Vaguely remember that. I searched a few articles that you posted, and figured you were a well programmed ad-bot or something. I actually read through entire newsletter summaries after work (got off between 10pm and 1am back then), and it could go until one or two am before I was done.

Fuck. Life was awesome back them.

Seen the marsdrive facebook group? I had some lulz in it, ripped apart some old dude that was pushing robotic exploration all day every day, then ragequit after everyone agreed with me.

I don't think it's realistic to plan on people living in space or other planets without being able to grow a food supply. I think we would need to somehow simulate gravity fields to accomplish this, perhaps sometime in the near future this will be possible.

tl;dr Simulating gravity? Possible or not?

>>5074707
I hear they're looking for those gravitrons

>>5074707
Food crops grow in microgravity. They've been experimenting with them for decades.

Also, other planets have plenty of gravity for your imaginary gravity based crops.

>>5074707
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/livingthings/gardengrow.html

>>5074707
>Simulating gravity.
>Do you even science?

>>5074750
Forgot the god damned picture.

>>5074741
thats interesting i didn't know about those shuttle "gardens" although i guess i should have assumed they were doing stuff like that. pretty amazing to think about a working garden on the moon or mars but the amount of variables that would have to be controlled for is kind of staggering to think about. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but there are a hell of a lot of people on earth who would be pissed about the millions getting spent on that type on endeavor when people on earth are starving and dying.

People aren't going to live in space anytime soon for 2 reasons:
1. NASA could never gain the support of the public to throw billions at this type of endeavor (well i guess they could but when people find out what were spending to ship dirt to the moon they might get mad)
2. Private enterprises do not have the technology or resources to complete that type of mission
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY

>>5073617
I hate to be the first children born in Mars. Bein only known as the first Martians would be annoying.

perhaps it's best if humanity remains on earth until they learn to live as an indivisible unit and take care of the planet in which they live

www.eclipsephase.com

We will eventually fuck up and ruin our planet, have to leave it, and resort to the parts of transhumanist dreams that may more may not be made reality by then anyway in order to barely survive. Just saying...

>>5074952

I envision that as a future were we become a type one Spacefaring Civilization, use utility fog to control and/or get power from the weather, use nanotech and things like this: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/135207-harvard-creates-cyborg-flesh-thats-half-man-half-machine to render it nigh impossible to tell the deference from biology and technology--no more of this "unnatural" bullshit--(and use organic components as a from of generating power), master geothermal energy gathering, and form a group mind--while still maintaining our individuality--with implanted BMI/BCI based telecommunication technology.

>>5074579
>That takes billions of years
>You have long since drifted out of the system (look up Voyager one and two)
>You have by now either (a: horribly died, (b:gone utterly batshit insane, (c: made more and more machines with sentient/sapient minds in them, and/or (d: become a posthuman with a completely alien mindset.

>>5075207
>Implying posthumans with completely alien mindsets aren't already running around.

>>5073831
>>5073884
But even still...this actually makes sense. Does this mean my relatives great great grand children will see a gold colored Buddha stature atop Olympus Monsvia an amateur telescope? If the "Relaxation effect" is credible, they can also handle really cooled environments via meditation. This won't save them from the actually temperature, but it should help save money on life support...

>>5075208
citation please.

>>5073831

Chinese would never go for it though. Tibetans are to China as Middle Easterners are to the US. Most of the populace doesn't even recognize any Chinese wrongdoing and thinks they're just out of control terrorists.

I've never completely freed myself of the suspicion that there are some extremely odd things about this mission. I'm sure you'll agree there's some truth in what I say.

>>5074541
>newfag detected
fuck off back to your shithole

I would love to go to Mars or the Moon, but not until we get a better way of getting into space in the first place. This shit's never going to happen as long as we keep using oversized fireworks to get ourselves into orbit. We need a space plane, a launch loop, a space fountain, anything better than what we use currently.

>>5074182
> you will never visit your Saturninan bro along with Martian bro to plan a roadtrip/spacetrip to Gliese 581c

oh man owowow right in the feels

>>5074574
> 2045 Initiative

>>5076273
>selves into orbit. We need a space plane, a launch loop, a space fountain, anything better than what we use curre

>>5076356
This. While I will see none of this, my copy or his great great future copy might. I also want my copy to be loaded up in a female body like Motoko Kusanagi's (or my brain in said body first) and then he (or me if my brain gets to live in it first) gets to be a lesbian. I'm from /u/ btw, hot unaging female prosthetic bodies for EVERYONE!