/sci/ - Science & Math

>What if all science is literally wrong, or at least as valid as religion, magic etc.
>someone on /x/ presented this

You have better things to be depressed over.

Then the universe and whatever god created it is unworthy of human respect or emotional attachment of any kind.

No need for tears, anon.

If that was the case, a particularly insane person could change the fabric of the universe simply by believing goldfish are spying on him.

Science describes not the world how it is, but how it is observed.
This is a science, not a philosophy board, and especially not a religious board. You might want to remain on /x/ with this kind of hypothesis.

in another point, your strange thougtpattern makes my head ache

>>4953384
Unfalsibiable philosophy belongs on /x/ and not /sci/. You should of stayed there instead of coming here.

>>4953394
For example the fact that he's a full retard.

>>4953399
But he won't because the majority of people believe he's insane, thus preventing his attempts to change reality.

>>4953384

> 4/5ths of the planet seriously believes in invisible sky-daddy
> Invisible sky-daddy still as impotent as always

You're theory is invalid OP.

this would actually explain how sometimes things get predicted 50 years before its observed, and i mean predicted with almost know link to reality, like the Bohr model for energy levels. and ill admit, ive entertained the idea, but:
we've made discoveries that validated theories only 1 person thought was true
we've had data from things we knew nothing about taken, and only later found a way to explain it
if this was the case, all the shit people believe like magnets curing cancer should work too.

you don't need psychic nonsense to think science is magical, science is already magical without your bullshit. black holes rip holes in reality, tachyons go backwards in time, particles in a vacuum somehow come together and form self-replicating molecules that eventually become so complex they can produce systems that are self-aware. this shit is insane and yes, magical, not in the sense that it can't be explained, but in the sense that this phenomena sounds like something only a magical spell would produce.

>>4953402
Discussing this on /x/ would just result in everyone confirming me and making me more crazy
>>4953418
Yeah, I guess I'll just go back with what I used to believe - most of current science is true, but there are plenty of things (maybe even some degree of psychic shit) that seem like magic but could be explained by science in the future.

>>4953418
you don't need psychic nonsense to think science is magical, science is already magical without your bullshit.
>[unverified claim],
>[popsci nonsense]
>[correct statement].
this shit is insane and yes, magical, not in the sense that it can't be explained, but in the sense that this phenomena sounds like something only a magical spell would produce.

1/3 is realy bad.

http://www.epsilonprogram.com/
I lol'd

>>4953420
problem? nature is pretty fucked up, even if i did speak of unsubstantiated things.

>>4953427
how the fuck do people fall for this shit? this is the biggest bullshit ive ever seen. fuck these types of sites make me rage, why is it legal for religions to scam people like this?

>>4953436
I'm pretty sure that one is intended as a troll, a la FSM

It's incredible how much strength uncertainy has to generate wild beliefs. I'd even go so far to say that issues that are presented on the basis of some uncertain fact are more persuasive to the average individual than issues that are presented based upon observed fact. Creating this sort of doubt is trivial OP, but also irrelevant to anyone who understands the descriptive power of science, and doesn't care about undefinable matters like "the ultimate truth" or whatever the fuck you guys are worried about on /x/. In fact, I had to be a slave to fashion, but gtfo, this is really just shit posting discussed as legitimate worry.

OP.... are you retarded?

How can I "create" a result through the act of observation?

"Belief" plays no role in science, experiments play roles in science.

What I "believe" to be true is not actually true unless I can do an empirical experiment to back it up.

>magicians controlling the masses

Alright, now I realize that you are retarded AND a troll.

Sage, 1/10 because I responded.

I lost you when you were trying to explain yourself. You're probably a troll, but this is probably considered a fact by /x/.

>>4953447
belief still plays a role in science tho, one must believe in the testability of a hypothesis

Do you think this is "deep"? It isn't.

OP, then why can't you ARBITRARILY create things? Why isn't EVERYTHING that you want, findable?

(God DAMN, what the fuck happened to your ability to think critically?)

>>4953384
>What if all science is literally wrong,
stopped reading

James post your wallpaper

Your bong-tempered theory fails to explain accidental discovery.

>>4953564
http://pokemonbattleroyale.tumblr.com/
Have fun

>>4953384
>Belief causes it to becme true.

Go read Orphans of Chaos, it uses this as a central paper-rock-scissor concept where different paradigm of observing nature is active depending on the willpower of the person.

The average person's relationship with science is that of ignorance and mistrust. The majority of people have not had even the most cursory introduction to most physical phenomena. At best, they remember specific buzzwords... but lack any understanding of the underlying mechanism.

if the majority's belief's were capable of influencing the outcomes of anything... they would end up undermining most scientific discoveries as soon as they become publicized; absorbing, synthesizing and then formulating perverse understandings of the world, which would then become truth based on majority opinion...

people love the idea of living in a democratic universe... one where their opinions are capable of determining what is an isn't. Thank goodness that it doesn't work that way..

>>4953418
>Tachyons
Non-sense with baseless hypothesis, I am pretty sure that whoever was the physcist that posted it at that very moment was stoned and said something like 'Ho... How about, y' know we have particles with COMPLEX MASS'
>black holes rip holes in reality
What? Just what? You should stop reading science fiction
> particles in a vacuum somehow come together and form self-replicating molecules that eventually become so complex they can produce systems that are self-aware.
There is no proof that the virtual particles formed in vacuum can come to that.
>you don't need psychic nonsense to think science is magical
Yes, yes you do.

>>4953675
>>4953675
he didnt say virtual particles, and his response is here:>>4953428

>>4953689
Well then that particles in vacuum come together after billions of year to make a complex being, isn't surprising at all. And nature isn't fucked up, he's just retarded.

>>4953600
sounds more like failing to properly identify causal links and confusing cause and effect

>>4953409
>this would actually explain how sometimes things get predicted 50 years before its observed, and i mean predicted with almost know link to reality, like the Bohr model for energy levels.

things are predicated before they are observed precisely BECAUSE science works, you mouth-breathing mongoloid cretin cunt

If that were true there wouldn't be as many failed hypotheses and experiments (majority are). Also, we would never be able to come up with some of the shit nature has shown us. Some of it is just too weird.
Science is not a single thing, it's merely a method of using purely observation and experimentation as a basis for belief rather than superstition or faith.

The idea OP proposes puts a lot of power on humans, which is an age old characteristic of our race. That is, us making ourselves out to be gods. We are not gods, and we have much less control than we wish we did. Get over it.

>>4953740
hear, hear, say it again. What a fucking idiot. When did all these non-science assholes flood sci? Is this like a b raid on our board or something?

>>4953875
You're overreaching quite a bit with that God statement. What science tells us is what has been observed and new theories on how things will work out based on the previously collected data points before observing it.

>implying belief dictates reality

Why doesn't god exist then? Why isn't he literally everywhere helping people, curing all diseases, and making life a paradise for everyone? WTF?

You are fucking retarded.

>>4953950
Because he does exist and he doesn't help because he wants people to learn for themselves.

Seriously are you fucking 12?

It's like a 14 year old from reddit somehow found this board.

YEAH, also he's too busy masturbating to jesus.

Why would you care about science in the first place?

Pic related

>>4954005
Punching them all in the face, then get into science beacause it's clearly superior?

>>4954002
>>4954002
>god exists

>>4954002
Are you fucking 12?

Please providence EVIDENCE for your INFANTILE claims

>>4954002
>2012
>god

>>4954002
>literally believes in fantasy
>is proud of it

>>4953384
babby that has never into college physics
GTFO /sci/

>>4954002

>>4953950
>god must interact with the world
oh wow

>>4954020
>Dawkins
>not laughed out of science years ago

>>4954057
>>4954038
>>4954032
>>4954026
>>4954020
Welp I think it's safe to say /sci/ is full of angsty pseudo-intellectual teens.

>>4953384
It doesn't matter if it's wrong, (which it isn't) because it works... It is obviously working for us as we meant it to, since you cant land a robot tens of millions of kms on a moving object moving kilometers per second, to a degree of uncertainty in a landing of a few kilometers by conventional means of retarded attention whore retard magic

>>4954082
So how do you know the flying spaghetti monster isn't testing us and god is just something it made up to stand in for itself?
Pasta: 1
Christians: 0
checkmate christians

>>4954082
>oh wow
Are you in middle school? Provide evidence for God, or something to reinforce your belief.

Right now you are just spewing drivel, enforcing immature implications, and not at all participating in a logically coherent conversation. Your circumstantial ad hominem is hilarious.

>>4954026
>asking for evidence
Shit nigga ever heard of meta-physics?
>>4954032
>no argument
>LOL THIS PIC PROVES ITSELF FAGGOT

>>4954038
>fantasy
Nah, proven fact.

>>4954088
>strawman

>>4954091
i would but i'm tired.

>ad hom
Haven't made one attempt at that, maybe you should learn what it is faggot.

Religion is not allowed on /sci/. You will enjoy a nice inane trolling garbage ban.

>>4954094
>He thinks his god is more valid than mine
>laughingNoodlyAppendage.jpg

>>4954094
here

>>4954026
I forgot
>capitalizing EVIDENCE and INFANTILE
>intense anal frustration
>childhood memories boiling up
>parental angst incoming

>>4954097
>he thinks using a strawman with no logical argument behind it someone disproves the concept of a god all together
>laughingthomasaquinas.jpg

>What if all science is literally wrong, or at least as valid as religion, magic etc.
It's not.
>because what we think we are observing in reality we are actually creating?
We're not.
>Mainstream science then would simply by the reality forced on the masses by the powers that be by their league of "magicians" to make people easier to control and unaware that they control their reality.
No.

>>4954094
Metaphysics is untestable, unscientific, unfasifiable drivel. It does not belong here. If you would like to discuss it, you can go to >>>/b/. Enjoy your ban.

Related:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlqDu2cDT0A

>Nah, proven fact.
Evidence? So far your claims are vacant.

>Haven't made one attempt at that, maybe you should learn what it is faggot.
Let's see:
>>4954002
>Seriously are you fucking 12?
>faggot

>>4954100
>He thinks religion requires logic
>LaughingLogicians.jpg

>>4954106
>Metaphysics isn't science so it isn't allowed in a relevant discussion because /sci/
>sending me to /b/ for discussion
>thinking i don't know what a theory is
>Evidence?
Well you discounted all evidence on the charge of "being unfalsifiable, unscientific drivel", so i guess that isn't a fair question.
>lets see
>thinking i'm the same as that person
And that wasn't even ad-hom, he didn't say god existed because you are a "12 year old faggot", he said god existed and furthermore "you are a 12 year old faggot". Thanks for proving you don't know what it means.

>>4954108
>he thinks philosophical truth doesn't

>>4954100
Your paranoid schizophrenia is against the rules of this board. Your beliefs are as embarrassing as the paranoid belief that you are being attacked by the government via microwave weapons. The philosophy which conspiracy theorists coagulate out is not allowed here. You will enjoy a ban.

>>4954116
>announcing reporting
>not bannable
>being hypocritical
>removing me from discussion when i only responded, not the instigator in any event
>thinks calling me a paranoid schizophrenic proves my point wrong
>likens me to conspiracy theorists to prove himself somehow more correct

>that glutpain
>that intense seething anger
>quickly removing alternate viewpoints
10/10 /sci/ proves itself the most autistic board.

>>4954114
You can believe that god personally places and picks all of the photons that go to Earth as a disillusionment, the devil fabricated all records of evolution without any trace of evidence, angels carry the planets around, and subatomic are supported by witch's brooms, or you can consider natural laws govern the universe. Your choice. The latter is not allowed to be discussed here.

Also,
>salad girl
Fuck off Blackman.
http://archive.installgentoo.net/sci/image/mMWwgEFho0aET0a2ncFNpA

>>4954121
>subatomic
should be
>subatomic particles

>>4954120
Stating "enjoy your ban" is not against the rules. Making a post with "reported" is. Your drivel is also against the rules. You will enjoy a nice 30 day religion trolling garbage ban, Blackman.

>>4954121
>you can believe in one version of a god or none at all
>the choice is yours
Narrowminded as shit. What, forced to go to church as a child and still mad at mommy?
>you can consider natural laws govern the universe or they don't exist
>I know how i'll prove him wrong, give two choices, one of which is obviously false and the other represents my viewpoint, either way i win!

>>4954127
>thinking i have been religion trolling
>implying this hasn't been a legitimate discussion ruined by your intense butthurt over the concept of god

>>4954131
You will enjoy a ban Blackman

Bye bye now, back to http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

Okay, so your hypothesis is that the world is governed by belief, which is strong enough to change the laws of reality, and that the belief of *scientists alone* is enough to structure reality (this must be the case, since scientists can use neew theories to predict measurements ehich were taken in the past).

Now introduce the fact that scientists believe the world is governed by mathematical law independent of observation.

Presto, by your rules, the world is now governed by mathematical laws independent of human observation, and your rules are undone.

Mods, do your job and delete this shitpost.
If you don't understand this is a shitpost, you aren't worthy of being a /sci/ mod.

>arguing using 14 year old logic to prove there isn't a God

The fact that you retards still have religion vs science debates prove how fucking stupid this board is.

>>4954140
>he's using the same images as a tripfag so he must be a tripfag!
i know it looks like a duck it walks like a duck but this is to far.

>>4954141
>HE'S SHITPOSTING HE CAN'T BE SERIOUS HOW CAN ANYONE HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT

>/sci/
>classy
pick one

>>4954131
such a failtroll. clearly nobody is this stupid.
nothing to see here