/sci/ - Science & Math

>>4941798
>techmology
engineer detected.

USA != humanity

That's right USA it wasn't you, it wasn't Europe, it was ALL of us. The humanity.

Remember that.

I know that feel OP.

Come here, man.

>>4941807
>i dont know what edgy means

This would fit better if OP was like "LOL so they landed a piece of metal on mars big deal dumbfucks".

>crying

I hope you do realize that you have to be 18+ on 4chan.

why? its not tlike this is the first time we've been to Mars or anything.

>>4941812

See? This is what Im talking about.

>>4941817

>>4941815
The NASA operators cried during the stream, and they're all 30-40+

TOLD.

i know that feel op, i cried too, this morning as soon as I woke up...

i missed it

>>4941822
Them got told. Fucking immature people shouldn't do science.

>>4941798
>implying we haven't been in contact with aliens since the 40s

>>4941841
>talking about immature people
>is carl

"We can continue to try and clean up the gutters all over the world and spend all of our resources looking at just the dirty spots and trying to make them clean. Or we can lift our eyes up and look into the skies and move forward in an evolutionary way."
Buzz Aldrin

Any questions, 'what was the point' fags?

>>4941849
>making your projection look like le funny joke

good one, anon

>>4941862
>being Carl

>>4941888
Yeah, I know. It's not easy being extremely awesome. :P

>>4941899
I wasted perfectly good trips on you. Sigh.

>>4941904
dawwww

Shiny!
Nice to see a thread on the front page that isn't some fucking hambone bitching about mars.

USA

I'm very happy too, and I'm glad you got to cry tears of joy, OP.

>tfw Amerifats don't mind their taxpayer money going to putting a car on Mars, but they don't want to use it for healthcare

>>4941999
Fucking told.

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Seriously, fuck you BBC I expected better

>>4942015

shhh , don't let general public know about science

>>4942015
Did it happened by now?

>>4941999
There's probably a significant overlap between the idiots who think NASA takes up 20% of the federal budget and those who would rather (have other people) die because they can't afford healthcare rather than pay taxes.

I understand how you feel OP. I grin and laugh every time I think about all of the shit that had to be done so perfectly to get that thing on to Mars. It's fucking amazing.

fucking popsci losers, i hope you all posers die.
Please op, tell me more about this hugely publicized yet scientifically irrelevant event.

Space exploration is bad and you should all feel bad

>>4942061

its difficult to comprehend, really

fucking, skycrane, nigga. in martian gravity. crazy shit. science is the best

>>4941822
The guys at NASA have spent a long time working on this, and for several hours were under particular stress, which was released at a specific time of success.

That's not to say that this kind of mission isn't exciting or special; it really is.
But the excitement of the spectator is quite different from the excitement of the people who made it happen.

I have no idea why >>4941804 made a special effort to take the credit from those involved and apply them to include everyone.
This is one of those projects it would be hard to spread credit around; it wasn't that large, and wasn't particularly global.

Why does this scream Reddit

I hope you've all seen this by now.

>>4942217
>That's not to say that this kind of mission isn't exciting or special
it's not. been there, done that. Stop being brainwashed by lobbyst propaganda you mindless sheep.

>This is one of those projects it would be hard to spread credit around

>mfw individualistic americans actually believe this

no single person or group can ever be credited for these accomplishments, cause they coud never be possible without the work of millions of humans, over time and space.

>believing a single person can be credited with inventing or discovering something
>2012
ishygddt

>>4942233

fucking awesome image. i hadnt seen that yet. thanks

>>4942233
That is particularly cool.

>>4942223
because it's the typical reddit bullshit. Sensationalizing and worshipping 'God Science' without knowing anything about it.
This morning there were like 5 threads on the front page of reddit for this unexciting, irrelevant, routine event.

>>4942261
>two white dots showing one of the many landings on mars. b/w picture, low res, 2d.
>awesome

>>That's not to say that this kind of mission isn't exciting or special
>it's not. been there, done that. Stop being brainwashed by lobbyst propaganda you mindless sheep.

>>This is one of those projects it would be hard to spread credit around
>mfw individualistic americans actually believe this
Such statements are always about DIRECT credit, and very few companies were involved in this project, none from a nationalistic cause.
It was designed, planned, built and paid for by Americans -- this time.

>no single person or group can ever be credited for these accomplishments, cause they coud never be possible without the work of millions of humans, over time and space.
That's bullshit. You always can and always should give credit to the people directly involved.
There are many projects which are made possible by large or very large contributions of the world -- this CANNOT be seen as one of them.

>>believing a single person can be credited with inventing or discovering something
>>2012
>ishygddt
This is not invention OR discovery; this is exploration, and exploration credit is easy.
But even if it were invention or discovery, 'standing on the shoulders of giants' does not mean everyone in the world is involved.
It recognizes that credit for the devices, methods, and tools of discovery and invention belong to previous specific people -- NOT EVERYONE!

Shouldn't it had taken more 'highres" pictures of mars by now?

>>4942291

You are really dumb.

>>4941804
>>That's right USA it wasn't you, it wasn't Europe, it was ALL of us. The humanity.

"If you put a rover on Mars -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

>>4942281
>>because it's the typical reddit bullshit. Sensationalizing and worshipping 'God >>Science' without knowing anything about it.
Well, you seem to be the one who was using Reddit, so that might be your fault.
On here, we're just excited because it's an exciting new rover, with an exciting landing, and which still could find something new.

>>This morning there were like 5 threads on the front page of reddit for this unexciting, irrelevant, routine event.

Nothing routine about Mars; it's had lots of failures.
It's also another planet, which should always be exciting, because we really don't know everything about other planets.

I suspect you're some disaffected teenage nincompoop who's been overwhelmed by movies and videogames so much you can't see the fascinating reality around us.
It's tougher to do than in those; that doesn't mean it's boring.

>>4942339
>"If you put a rover on Mars -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

That is an incorrect statement, in every way.

That kind of rhetoric was deliberately changing the context from direct credit to indirect credit; it's predecessor was meant to express how interconnected human activity is.

That doesn't mean no one can take direct credit.
It also cannot be taken as a rhetorical suggestion; he was not saying no one can take direct credit any more.

>>4942331

It hasn't deployed the high-res cameras yet.

This isn't the first mars prove to successfully land, I don't get how you can get so exited when you didn't even contribute.

I'm not getting exited until it actually finds something interesting.

>>4942331
>Shouldn't it had taken more 'highres" pictures of mars by now?

By what reasoning?
Do you know ANYTHING about how remote rovers work?
how instruments are deployed?
when? or what has to be checked first?
how about this one in particular?

What they 'need' to do is make it run properly and safely enough it can be a useful asset for a few years.
(Hint: not satisfy the urgency of teens who demand everything right away, in technology that supercedes everything they have ever seen.)

>>4942346
>Well, you seem to be the one who was using Reddit, so that might be your fault.
i never posted anything, i just check it daily among a couple other websites


>I suspect you're some disaffected teenage nincompoop
i'm not, i admit it's mildly exciting, i am overacting in response to these ridiculous sensationalistic posts. Incidentally I have studied quite a bit about marketing and I hate it when people can't recognize blatant pr and advertising moves and act just like the people pulling the strings want them to react.
Also, i'm guilty of having hated space missions since day 0. I always thought it's a ridiculous waste of money, and am quite happy they're cutting on it. Not saying we shouldn't invest in it in the future, but doing it now is just retarded.

>>4942369
>This isn't the first mars prove to successfully land,
Must it be first in order to be exciting? (That's a pitiable attitude!)
(What if most of the probes going to Mars have failed -- does that make success any more interesting?)

>I don't get how you can get so exited when you didn't even contribute.
My excitement is vicarious, yes, and for the data we might get from it.
Much less than the people who made it happen.

>I'm not getting exited until it actually finds something interesting.
That's reasonable, too. We all know people have different interests and perspectives.

>>4942401

PLEASE kill yourself

this has NOT happened before

Dumping some rovers off encased in balloons missing the target by miles and miles is what happened before

this was a controlled soft landing about 300 m away from the target.... of a rover that is MUCH larger and much more advanced

fucking BULLSEYE from 150 million miles away

>>4941798
I was very happy for them. You know damn well if it failed, they would have their budget cut YET again.

>>4942401
>i'm not, i admit it's mildly exciting, i am overacting in response to these ridiculous sensationalistic posts. Incidentally I have studied quite a bit about marketing and I hate it when people can't recognize blatant pr and advertising moves and act just like the people pulling the strings want them to react.
Oh, yes -- keep them grounded.
I get that; and it's tough to compete with the irrational movie events or excitement of videogames.
So many people think the only way to see the world is escalation.

>>Also, i'm guilty of having hated space missions since day 0. I always thought it's a ridiculous waste of money, and am quite happy they're cutting on it. Not saying we shouldn't invest in it in the future, but doing it now is just retarded.
I get that; people expect so much from every major project, it might be better to hold off doing them until we have the tools to do major stuff.

I cannot fucking believe the sky crane actually worked. That was some Kerbal Space Program shit.

>>4942420
wow, that's such an intelligent and profound response. There are so many layers to it, i think i will stop for a while to analyze it and ponder, i'm sure i don't yet understand all the nuances YOU FUCKING RETARDED MINDLESS SHEEP LULZ SPACE IS SO COOL AMIRITE! MISSLES AND FIRE AND SHIT! LO-LO-LOLZ. IT SURE IS THE BEST INVESTMENT EVER CAUSE NASA'S PR DEPARTMENT TOLD ME SO.

>>4942442

I know, I was so hyped when it was successful.

>>4942374
Why are you being so rude to me
what have i done to you ;_;

>>4942449
If you actually think this is a waste of money, you are hopelessly retarded.

>>4942449

Just because you used to be someone who swallowed up PR blindly and finally came to the realization of how stupid you were, and as a result have become overly cynical, doesn't mean everyone else is making the mistakes you once did.

>>4942458

Truth. especially in comparison to the ACTUAL wastes of money.


like that b2 bomber they just built for half the budget of this entire project.

and then that other b2 bomber they just built for half the budget of this entire project

and that other one

and that other one

and that one too

and so on

>>4942374

Can you explain why they can't?

>>4942470

They can. They just haven't done it yet because it's not a priority.

What part of that do you not understand?

happy thread ON.

ill be happy when we have underwater cities and a madscientist rapping hamsterellas. it will come I NOW IT.

caps are for screaming...we now that.

>>4942470
It takes 7 minutes to send a signal to Mars, and it takes another 7 minutes to get a response.

Right now, the people at NASA are probably going over the million subsystems built into the MSL to make sure everything is working, once they get that done, you'll get your high-res pictures. I heard that they'll be ready in two days.

>>4942458
>If you actually think this is a waste of money, you are hopelessly retarded.
wow, what a compelling and justified statement. I like how you support your points with facts and logic, for a second i thought you were one of those idiots mindlessly spouting slogans.

let's see, $2.6 billion dollars for a shitty toy car "to assess whether Mars ever had an environment able to support small life forms". That surely is the best investment anyone could ever think of. Damn why didn't I think of it? If i had 2.6 billions i would surely give them to nasa cause that's the best investment ever! I cannot even imagine the ROI on that, must be huge.

>>4942507

No, honestly. If you really need reasons to tell you why this is significant and important you ARE retarded. Mentally.

>>4942507
If you don't see the inherent good in exploration and answering some of the most important scientific questions we've ever pondered, there's really nothing we can say to you to change your mind.

>>4942233
this must be how /b/tards feel when someone is dumping porn

Nasa's budget is .48% of the federal budget for 2012.

Less than half of one percent.

Why are people bitching about wasting money when it comes to NASA? They continue to get less and less funding every year.

We have shit tons of pointless government spending that's horribly more costly than NASA's budget.

In 2011 Nasa's budget was 18 billion. Dod's budget was 700B. Medicare was over 800B. Social Security was over 800B. Shit, the Nation's interest costs over 270B.

18 billion versus 1600 billion for entitlement programs . . .

>>4942518
>No, honestly. If you really need reasons to tell you why this is significant and important you ARE retarded. Mentally.
maybe i am, would you help a retard out and tell me at least one fathomable outcome for this exploration that could be worth the money? I'm waiting.
>>4942525
>the inherent good in exploration
there's no such thing like a standard 'inherent good in exploration'. The outcome of exploration is always probabilistic and within limits. We already know enough about mars that this rover can discover nothing i would consider particularly useful.

>answering some of the most important scientific questions we've ever pondered
and answering that question will impact our lives how exactly?

>>4942465
i never said this is the biggest or stupidest investment, just one of them

Skycrane blew my fucking mind.

You should have cried because we are one step closer to ruining the universe by propagating our cancerous greedy species. You are all bad and you should feel bad.

>>4942564
If I had 2 choose I would rather see money go into entitlement as oppose to this.

That being I think NASA budget is completely justified.

I think we could save more money if we combined all of our scientific endeavors into 1 agency, which would allocate it's budget more efficiently and fairly.

By this I mean bringing all of the research agencies from the military(DARPA and the individual budget of each branch) under NASA.

>>4942602

so edgy

>>4942602
too edgy

>>4942617
>using "so edgy"
so edgy

>>4942620
>>4942617
I hope those edges wedge in your throats and choke you to death.
+2 for mother earth

Amount spent on retarded wars in the last 10 years: 4 trillion

Amount spent on a great achievement in science and potential discoveries that could further the human race, not to mention the wonder of exploring new worlds: 2.5 billion

Anyone who complains about this spending is a fucking moron.

>>4942612

We spend too much on entitlement programs. It's funny seeing how defensive some people get over them, when not too long ago the majority of Americans were absolutely against such things as social security or healthcare.

It took two depressions, extreme droughts, social uprest, and a line of presidents who didn't give a fuck about the average American's suffering to finally sway people into social security. Even then it was a weak sauce version of what it is now.

How quickly people forget our history. If the average American actually paid attention to their own nation's history they would see some common repeating themes in our government and care more about who they vote into congress.

>>4942470
>Explain why they can't?

I can explain why they do not; "can't" isn't the issue at all.

In the cases of a couple previous devices, PV panels needed to charge up batteries.

Mars has lots of dust; cameras are protected, particularly during landing.
Landings are messy; significant protection is better.
Comms tests are first; a few signals back and forth to identify systems that are operating.
Diagnostics are critical; the team needs to know what is going on, and they are both slow and careful.
Better cameras need to be mounted higher, so, on a mast. Masts are, of course, kept lowered until a time when they can be safely deployed.
Deploying various mechanisms may be dependent upon how they are stowed, so the sequence may not be the most pleasing to spectators.
Camera diagnostics may need to be performed first; some probes have mounted test patterns on the body.

There may be more, but there is one more issue for this rover, particularly: it isn't using high-power motivators. In general, it's meant to move everything slowly, but last a long time.

>>4941798
Now is a pretty good time for human pride... Space explorative events, and the Olympics are two times when everyone can be happy about humanity... And both are happening right now.

Regardless of other factors that shake my faith in humanity, right now I'm proud to share a race and a planet with all of you.

Go forth, and succeed.

>>4942650


The Olympics are divisive, primitive, and savage.

Everybody post the cakes from your landing party.

Your move, Eurofags.

>>4942564
>Why are people bitching about wasting money when it comes to NASA? They continue to get less and less funding every year.

Because they don't judge it by percentage, but by what else the money could go for.
There is no question it could go for other things, many which are clearly of more immediate importance to almost everyone. (Education, health, basic industries, infrastructure).

>>4942639
>when not too long ago the majority of Americans were absolutely against
When was this 1920s?

If your argument is we are not being efficient in the way we spend our entitlement money, I be inclined to agree. If your argument is
>Hurr durr socialism
I tell you go back to /pol/.

It makes more sense to spend money something that will directly help us today as oppose to spending money on something that has no direct effects on us other than satisfying our curiosity, no pun intended.

That being said I am not arguing against this project(just as excited as anyone else) just the idea that we can just chip away at entitlement for things like this.

>>4942658
So edgy.

>>4942636
>could further the human race,
how? noone has answered me yet

>not to mention the wonder of exploring new worlds
value = 0

just because there are bigger wastes of money (like wars) it doesn't mean we shouldn't pay attention to everything. There are lots of researchers doing research with higher impact than this who need a lot of money. I don't see why we should put billions (yes you read correctly B.I.L.L.I.O.N.S.) for a robot to check if maybe once there could have been 'life' on mars. Impact factor=0

>>4942672
if there is evidence of present or past life on mars all religions especially christianity will become invalid
that would be a pretty big impact, maybe not to you, but to many others

>>4942662

Education: The American Government Doesn't care about funding education. They were seriously considering dropping financial aid. America has continued to drop in education scores for years. Do you know who ranks #1? China. NASA's budget would not improve this in any way because it is up to the States, in general, to determine how federal funding for education is spent. Such a small amount would most likely be squandered away.

Health: The government already spends tons of money on healthcare, and it's incredibly difficult to change (Look at the drama by Obama's Healthcare reforms). NASA's budget wouldn't make a dent in improving this. It's a fractional amount of the actual cost we spend for healthcare.

Infrastructure: Again, NASA's budget wouldn't make any real dent in this, and would most likely be wasted. One example being the federal funds given to ISPs to improve their networks (Looking at you, AT&T) and instead pissed it away on their profits. In addition, we already spend quite a large amount of money on this, most of it by taxes, fines, etc.

In addition, if you want to say we could feed people better; NASA's small budget couldn't possibly improve the lives of the poor. It's what? 15-20 billion dollars? That's like an ant compared to what we spend on programs such as Food stamps, WIC, and cash aid.

Plus the US already spends an incredible amount sending food and aid to other nations as it is. NASA's budget wouldn't be able to cover the cost even if you completely redirected NASA's budget to them.

ITT: mad yuropoors

We need an underwater whorehouse here, you space whores.

RDD2 playing bass gif anyone?

>>4942684
>if there is evidence of present or past life on mars all religions especially christianity will become invalid that would be a pretty big impact, maybe not to you, but to many others
stay delusional, they would keep denying it. religion is a basic and important human instinct, it makes people feel good and keeps them sane and in working conditions, they will fight any hard evidence to keep that happiness and peace of mind (perfectly understandable). If it was otherwise, all religions would have been debunked long ago.
Also, i bet all my future earnings and those of my children that THERE IS NO LIFE ON MARS. Just like there was no life on the moon, and just like there is no life on any other planet of the solar system.
(unless your definition of 'life' includes rocks)

>>4942669
>It makes more sense to spend money something that will directly help us today as oppose to spending money
>on something that has no direct effects on us other than satisfying our curiosity, no pun intended.

There are some other effects; truly innovative projects generate research, science, new tech, and support industry.
(Yes, projects that don't innovate do little more than just pump a little money into regular industries, and contractors that get high margins or don't deliver are worse than just burning the money.)

There is also something to the idea that research and development needs stimulating at all times.

Private industry (particularly consumer industries) are horrible at long-term or large-scale development; they think extremely short-term, predictable, and even foreseeable tech only.
Government projects encourage the opposite much better.

>>4942684
>if there is evidence of present or past life on mars all religions especially christianity will become invalid
>that would be a pretty big impact, maybe not to you, but to many others

no idea why you think this:
proving life on Mars -- heck, proving INTELLIGENT life somewhere else -- doesn't impact religion much at all.
It would affect a couple of statements in scriptures, and that is it.

Religion does NOT depend on uniqueness of human life.

No idea why you think it would.

>>4942730
Religion would, unfortunately, ignore it. You'd think evolution would shake creationists... Mainstream religions are just now accepting evolution, and of course they're saying goddidit.

>it'll be centuries before we kill religion
>I'm as sad as you, trust me

>>4942168

This.

OMaiGOd guise I luv science lul I'm such a nerd xD.

Calculus? What's that?

>>4942661

Dude that is awesome.

Religion will not be affected by life on mars.

You think we haven't known there is life out there for years? We know there's bacteria on comets.

Religion won't just go
>Oh what? You guys found some fossilized bacteria in space? Oh well guess we were wrong after all, pack it all in guys. Let's turn our church into a library of evolution since we're not gonna be needing it anymore/

revenge is a dish best served cold. and it is very cold in space.

Great, it landed. It was expected to land. Let's get some of those 3D pics first before we become euphoric.

Also, if nothing of significance is discovered, all the excitement is for naught.

>>4941798

You're welcome man!

We spend far more money blowing up dirt huts in a desert that no one gives a fuck about than on science research like NASA.... so much more that NASA's budget isnt even worth bitching about.

Go fuck yourselves, angry basement dwellers. Keep thinking you achieved something by getting your latest epic purple loot.

>>4942662
>Education
you do realise that prestigious science projects and a chance for a job in a top notch high-tech industry (of any kind) is mandatory to motivate new students go into science and furthermore don't go abroad?

What are the practical applications resulting from this waste of money? We're just pissing cash at stupid shit that has no bearing on our lives, aren't we?

>>4943023

Hur dur planning a manned mission to Mars in 2020, finding possible evidence for water/life on Mars, 720p HD imagery and analysis of the surface and composition of rocks on Mars.

>>4943037

None of that is practical, or applicable to our lives on Earth. Why bother? Why not spend the money on more important things?

>>4943048
like what? feeding aids infested people in africe?

>>4943048

Because science. Also because we will need somewhere to colonize once we destroy the Earth.

>>4943069
> Also because we will need somewhere to colonize once we destroy the Earth.

we aren't destroying earth, we're changing it in a very minor way while it follows it's natural cycle.

>>4943102
Wow, I found the troll motherlode, a climate change denier and a "hurr durr why waste the money if its not directly impacting my life at this very moment" retard!
All we need is a creationist to tell me that no life exists anywhere else and this thread will be complete.

>>4942961
you are fat. you should visit /fit/ and read the sticky

>>4943120

I'm average weight for my height. You try fitting in exercise to your life when you sit in front of a computer for 12+ hours a day. Thanks for the compliment completely irrelevant to the picture though. Also, /fit/ is shit.

>>4943102

0/10 troll.
If you truly believe that, then read this:

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/08/06/opinion/climate-change-is-here-and-worse-than-we-thought/

>>4943129
>I'm average weight for my height.
you are probably skinnyfat and dyel mode

>You try fitting in exercise to your life when you sit in front of a computer for 12+ hours a day
have a buzz-word: work life balance. furthermore there was one of the nasa guys on the stream who was pretty fit. why can't you?

>Also, /fit/ is shit.
we have scooby. it can't be shit

now go and read the sticky

>>4943146

I used to be able to bench 225 on flat bench 6 reps. Now, I'd be lucky to put up 145. Don't get me wrong, I love working out and lifting, but damn I can't find the motivation in me right now.

I have read the sticky and read Scooby threads. Not very relevant or interesting to me when I am not currently going to the gym.

>>4943118
when did i say i denied climate change? i'm sure it's happening and i know we're having an impact, but we aren't the sole cause, or even the main one.

>>4943160

That's irrelevant. Gravity is the main cause tipping a car off a cliff, but that doesn't suddenly mean that me pushing it over isn't a crucial factor. That the Earth is naturally heating is irrelevant. You can talk about the Earth's "natural cycle," but in the Earth's "natural cycle," we all fucking die. If we're speeding that up, we have to put the brakes on.

>>4942322
Lolno. Most of the equipment was designed and built around the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GgpvNB8kvd8

epic.

>>4943178
Overpopulation will kill us before climate change will.

Only filthy casuals care about pop science like this.

Come back when you're ready to discuss tensor calculus problems.

>>4943160

Yes we are.

Pic related: Human caused climate change in last 30 years.

>>4943178
Greenie alert. You're completely wrong.

>>4943216
No we are not.

>>4941804

>That's right USA it wasn't you, it wasn't Europe, it was ALL of us. The humanity.

Except Africa.

>>4943184

Overpopulation can not possibly kill "us" by itself. That's nonsensical. Some other factor (like say, climate change, or a fossil fuel crunch) would have to have a catastrophic effect on society. Overpopulation just means we eventually reach an equilibrium, and millions of people starve or die of disease.

>>4943224

That's a compelling argument.

>>4943226

On time scales important to us, yes we are. Obviously Milankovitch Cycles and Orbital Forcing is what caused Ice Ages in the past and is what decides the "background state" of temperatures. Humans are perturbations to these natural cycles though, so we really don't know how we will offset them or by how much yet.

Pic Related: Ice Core data to help you prove your point.

>>4943237
No we are not.

>>4943237

Top graph is proxy for temperature btw.

Why do people act like it's first human-made thing that landed on mars?

>>4943231
Not so surprisingly it is just as compelling as your own.

hey op are you ready to cry like a little bitch again? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcGMDXy-Y1I

>>4943243

Since you are posting on a science board, care to use some data or logical reasoning to assert your pig-headed global warming skeptic claim? If not, then gtfo.

>>4943245

My argument has premises and conclusions that are causally related. Yours is a bog-standard ad hominem without any relevant data.

I'll put it more simply: if humans have an effect on climate change, AND climate change can cause a mass extinction of the human species (as it has caused mass extinctions in the past), then we should make an effort to minimize the effect we have on it. Which one of those premises is wrong?

>>4943263

I can agree with that.

>>4943257

Some of the comments on that video make my brain hurt..

>Low res video from descent full color, high res images from 1 billion dollar rover is black & white?

>gopro has better quality than that shit

>how can they recored video on MARS when there's no AIR ON MARS???????

>NASA spends millions of dollars, hundreds of man hours using some of the most brilliant minds in the world to build a rover the size of a small car to move around and study the surface of Mars...and no one thought to put a HD, color camera on the thing.

>>4943284

No sure if troll or just stupid.

Do you know how hard it is to transmit images from Mars to Earth? That takes electricity, and the higher res image, the more electricity it takes. There has to be a balance between number of images and quality of images taken.

Also, there is an atmosphere on Mars and it contains many of the same gases as that of Earth's, just not much Oxygen and not suitable for human life.

This mission has significant implications on space travel, and is the most advanced space-born robotics mission every successfully completed. Similar techniques could be used to get humans to the surface once a manned mission is implemented.

>>4943284

The common person is just a fucking brain dead simpleton.

namaste, nigger

>>4943296

He was quoting comments from a youtube video.

>Thumbs up if you'd rather your tax dollars go to a bowl of rice for a starving human being.
4842Chuck 17 minutes ago

Oh my fucking god.. My jimmies have been rustled.

>>4943311

For fuck sake why are some people so god damned stupid.

>>4943311

I wonder if he realizes just how much of his tax dollars are going towards war and that NASAs budget is fucking nothing.

Also fuck starving people.

"One interesting story that came up was a TV interview that Tyson had recently done. He was asked by the reporter "How can you justify spending 3 billion on a trip to Saturn in these times?" Tyson said he corrected him by pointing out that first that amount was spread out over 12 years so it was really only about 300 million a year and that was actually less money than Americans spent on lip balm. This left the interviewer at a loss for words and he just turned the mike back to the other reporter. Tyson related that as he was leaving the studio that he was unaware that the interview had been piped to the exit area of the Rockefeller Plaza and that when he left he was greeted by applause and people waving their lip balm and shouting "We want to go to Saturn." Way to go Neil!"

>america

>>4943311
That youtube comment would only piss me off if that commenter also supported spending trillions on wars that killed a bunch of starving human beings.

>>4943324

Its frustrating that the country leading us into space is also the one with the most stupid average population.

science gives me a hardon bigger than mount sharp..... I mean... we, humans, fired a projectile from a moving object to another moving object millions of miles away... and HIT it. we didn't just hit it, we set something down so gently a standing jenga game would have survived...


I also cried OP. Science.... fuck ya.

I can't tell. Is this mission getting a lot more publicity than previous missions? Is the public interest in space exploration really increasing? Holy fuck you guys, NASA might actually get a budget increase if the public shows enough interest!

>>4943350
Post that on a rage thread on /b/
let's try to keep things positive around here.

>>4943350
>Impressed by putting a ball through a hoop ten feet off the ground

Nigga they just put a "ball" through a "hoop" 225 million km away in OUTER FUCKING SPACE

>MFW when i realized the rover was ALREADY on Mars for 7 minutes when watching it in entering the atmosphere on the stream video

>Not for war. Not for nationalism. Not for patriotism.
>I was happy, for space. For us, as a whole. For science. For technology.
Stop trying to steal our accomplishments yuropoor. This was an American job through and through.

>>4943377

>our

You helped? Sweet.

>>4943377
Apart from the instruments. Yeah.
And the numerous migrants on the team.

>Nationalism.
I know you like to share in other peoples accomplished because they're on the same "team" but you had nothing to do with this.

Pic says it all gents

>>4943379
>>4943387
>you had nothing to do with this
>You helped? Sweet.
My tax money paid for it. That's more than any Yuropoor can claim.

>>4943357
>NASA might actually get a budget increase if the public shows enough interest!
That opportunity has come and gone. There was a petition on the white house site to double NASA's budget. It required 25,000 signatures in 30 days to get a response. It got numerous plugs and was even mentioned on TV, everyone said it would get 10 times that many signatures. But when push came to shove it barely made the mark.

>>4943405

So I guess that makes you personally responsible for 2 10 year long wars as well?

>>4943412
Yes. Science and killing mudslimes are two causes I support so I have no problem with that.

>>4943405
Actually there are instruments which were made in Europe, with government money and no, abiding by the law does not count as helping.

>I was happy, for space. For us, as a whole. For science. For technology.

Completely agreeing at first, but NASA had to ruin it by going full out USA USA USA USA USA USA.
Now I can't look at it without thinking that nationalistic right-wing nutjobs were the leading powers behind it.
Way to spoil the fun, but it's good you've shown your true brown colour early on.

"Patriotism - It's what we call out as nationalism everywhere else!"

>>4943437
Please go to Russia or something if you're not going to be proud of your country. Liberals like you are only weighing the country down.

>>4943442
Ahh, the true depth of american nationalism:
>If you don't agree with me then fuck off.

>>4943442
2 dimensional schools of political thought are also weighing us down as a country.

>as is the obesity crisis. Ba dum tish.

>>4943442

>Proud of being born within certain arbitrary imaginary lines

>>4943442

Russia built one of the instruments for Curiosity

Along with England, France, Germany, Finland, Spain...

Don't let that get in the way of your MURKA, though.

>>4943456
Then vote for Ron Paul or something be an edgy teenager.
>>4943457
I'm proud of being a member of the greatest country and culture the world has ever seen. If you're European, I can see why you couldn't understand this since no country on your continent has rivalled America for more than 60 years.
>>4943458
That's nice that they built some little pieces of it, but ultimately it was American expertise that put it together and brought it safely to its destination.

>>4943442
>Duly elected politicians do something I like, someone complains
"Bitchers need to get the fuck out of the country."
>Duly elected politicians do something I don't like, I complain.
"Those politicians are unamerican and need to get the fuck out."

INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY, MOTHERFUCKER. YOU SEEM WELL-ACQUAINTED WITH IT. AND COCKS. OH GOD THE COCKS. HOW DOES YOUR ANUS HOLD SO MANY?

>>4943454
>>4943456
>>4943457
>>4943458
Troll successful, apparently. I responded, as did 3 others. Default 7/10.

>>4943458
Who gives a shit about instruments built?

The important people are the people who designed, coded, and implemented the flight paths, entry paths, etc, etc.

Sauce on who those people were? Americans until someone states otherwise.

>>4943458
Did you catch that speech by NASA's highest official after the landing?

It went straight from "this was an effort made possible by an international team of people from all around the world" to "AMERICA STRONG".
Does that guy have ANY idea how many people were watching that, and that public masturbation is about the worst thing to do in that situation? America seems like a country of pricks.

>>4943476

> Who gives a shit about instruments

/sci/, I am disappoint.

>>4943482
Explain to me what difference instruments make if you don't have someone to interpret the data they spit out?

>>4943480

That's because sadly at the end of the day its all just about politics. The people putting money behind these projects are doing it for themselves not for the scientific and technological advancement of mankind, hence the severe budget cuts in the past few years.

>>4943485
Wait a second, your post can't possibly say what you have written.
Could you rephrase it?

>>4943485

Every country that contributed an instrument will be analyzing its instrument's data at a domestic laboratory (not in mirka).

>>4943489
>>4943489
Stop being right I hate you go away truth is depressing.

MIRKA MIRKA

>>4943496
It says exactly what it says.

Just because someone knows how to design a camera or a sensor, doesn't mean they know how to properly interpret the data. They may not even know how to properly code on a computer.

>that feel when my country owns the Earth, Mars, and the Moon

>>4943506

>your country owns it all
>not jews

Do I have some bad news for you....

>>4943504
5/10 - made me reply

>>4943506
This. There's just something awesome about knowing that even if America doesn't last as long as Rome, it will still be the Empire that burned brightest. Future historians will study us forever.

>>4943509
>>>/pol/

There is a class of elite who pull the strings, and Jews are overrepresented in it - but it's not "da joos", stormfuck.

>>4943522
Of course you'll burn the brightest.

With all that calories and fat a single American will be able to burn for hours.

>>4943498

It was the exact same with the moon landing. Sure some great technology came out of the whole project but the motivation wasn't "lets expand humanities knowledge and power" but rather "Lets show Russia that our dick is bigger". Nothing really significant has happened in the decades after the moon landing because there's been no political motivation. If we stopped all of these pointless wars, broke down the ridiculous ideas of nationalism and patriotism and formed a one world government we'd be a space faring empire.

>>4943480
>Does that guy have ANY idea how many people were watching that, and that public masturbation is about the worst thing to do in that situation?
Actually, not doing it enough would have been bad, too.
I really don't think anyone would be genuinely insulted at a guy saying he's proud of what they have done and making attribution to the country that made it happen.
(Other countries did NOT make it happen!)

This line:
>It went straight from "this was an effort made possible by an international team of people from all around the world" to "AMERICA STRONG".
You should understand he was giving credit to individuals (from many places); science loves useful cooperation. Science dislikes nationalism, but in this case, only one country ponied up.
Designed, developed, built, launched, landed and now operated by America.
I don't see why anyone would take it away from them.

>America seems like a country of pricks.
Uh... other countries fire weapons into the air heedlessly, insult their neighbors, degrade their women and boast about permanent and massive superiority for even minor accomplishments -- hell, ever for rigged elections.

You can give Americans some leeway for being proud when they do something well that no one else does.

Yea, I think this is pretty much what happened.

>Everyone getting ready for the landing
[all countries] This is so awesome, I hope it lands, world history in the making, etc..
>landing going through it's phases
[all countries] holy shit, wtf peanuts?!, holy shit, holy shit, MY BODY IS NOT READY, holy shit, etc.
>landing occurred, engineers crying and hugging
[all countries] holy fucking shit it landed, celebrations all around.
>first press conference starts a little while later
[all countries watching attentively] I hope this means we can all move forward together into the dawn of a new age.
>guy starts going on and on about the US and how it's the leader and how he's not gonna mention the other countries that helped, etc.
[Amerifags] Well that was kind of unexpected, but okay, I guess. It's pretty cool Obama has a plan to put us on mars but it's probably election year propaganda to some extent. I wonder who the other countries were.
[rest of the world] WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK AMERIFAGS, WHY AREN'T YOU GIVING CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE, WHY ARE YOU RUINING THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY WHEN PEOPLE ALL OVER THE PLANET ARE WATCHING.
[Amerifags] Holy shit, there's so much butthurt. We cannot waste this opportunity. USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA! YOU JELLY YUROPOORS! CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
[rest of the world] widespread rage induced aneurisms
[amerifags] America, FUCK YEAH! Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah!..

Seriously, if it weren't for that asshole doing the press release, I don't think any of this would've happened. Any other amerifags caught off guard by how nationalistic it was?

I can already see it. Autonomous tanks tactically positioned in space, that can safely deorbit within minutes to any place in the world.

>>4943542
Seriously this. Who would risk planning a terrorist attack on the US when a robot tank could come crashing down on your head from space. We really should take advantage of our position and make space "ours." Too bad Newt "Moon Base" Gingrich is out of the presidential race.

American contributions to mankind's presence in outerspace: Too many to number.
Europe's: Some instruments

>>4943552

How about Russia?

They did put the first man in space and launch the first satellite.

>>4943552
Bearing in mind the state of Europe up until relatively recently.

>>4943442
>continues spending trillions to send people off to die and get maimed in other countries
>USA USA USA

>>4943552
Bearing in mind the state of Europe up until recently.

>>4943538
>>guy starts going on and on about the US and how it's the leader and how he's not gonna mention the other countries that helped, etc.
Because no other countries helped in any significant way. Did that escape you?
Keep in mind there is a difference between having someone work at NASA that graduated from a foreign university, or getting a component from a non-American company, than actually having the support (financial, logistical, or otherwise) of a country.


[rest of the world] WHY AREN'T YOU GIVING CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE,
OK, very loud, but do you know of ANY such contributions?
Americans took a back seat last month when CERN made their announcement, and for a very proper reason.
The CERN teams applauded ONLY their contributors, and no others.

[Amerifags] Holy shit, there's so much butthurt. We cannot waste this opportunity. USA USA USA....
Uh, no, only people like you think in terms of boisterous nonsense like that.
That's not many people, just the loud whiners.

>>4942705
>In addition, if you want to say we could feed people better; NASA's small budget couldn't possibly improve the lives of the poor. It's what? 15-20 billion dollars? That's like an ant compared to what we spend on programs such as Food stamps, WIC, and cash aid.
I'm curious now
any good sources for stats on these?

i love how it has a laser to destroy obstacles!

>>4943596

From the top of my head, NASA's budget is $20B and Food Stamps are $60B

I might come back with sources

To amerifags: Were eurofag bitching about how they proved the Higgs Boson all by themselves and that they are the best for doing it? No

>>4943628
Higgs Boson was nothing compared to curiosity. You "confirmed" an invisible that still might not even exist, America used motherfucking skycranes to land shit on Mars.

>>4943618

>In the 2011 fiscal year, $76.7 billion in food stamps were distributed.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplemental_Nutrition_Assistance_Program

>2012 (est.) [8] 17,770 0.48% 16,014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA

So, $18B on NASA and $77B on food stamps

Also, from the link, NASA consumes 0.48% of the federal budget. It consumed 0.63% in 2005, 0.88% in 1995, 0.98% in 1975, and 4.41% in 1966 (due to Apollo).

>>4943633
>>4943628
This also shows that private industry very well possibly mine asteroids.

Why is it that so many people like to attack NASA (which actually offers benefits in terms of scientific research) when it comes to the budget, yet they hardly complain about other things like the billions wasted in parts of the farm subsidy program?

Not to mention the 2012 US military budget : $1.030–$1.415 trillion (That's right, 1000+ billions)

Tell me more about how we should stop putting money into science and continue killing each other on Earth.

>>4943628
>To amerifags: Were eurofag bitching about how they proved the Higgs Boson all by themselves and that they are the best for doing it? No

OF COURSE THEY WERE!
They made special notice of the contributing countries, many people noted the absence of American participation, and America had to sit back and take it.
We talked about it right here for days -- and the consensus was, as it should be now: they earned it.
Anybody doing a project gets to be proud of its results, and of their team.
And definitely the guys who provide the money, facility, and back up the universities gets to be named.

The only inappropriate thing is if someone decides to keep their data to themselves.
(That would be inappropriate nationalism in the science field.)

>>4943649
We won't be able to do science if Muslim fundamentalist cut the heads off of anyone who thinks differently.

>>4943649
B-b-but all the billions we waste on NASA could've been spent feeding poor people!
>continues spending trillions to kill poor people

>>4943644
it's about conspicuous visibility and the inspecific results provided to business and technical industries.

Also, of course, criticizing something like farm subsidies requires a LOT of analysis and accounting -- something the general press and certainly the whining public just won't do.

>>4943662
More food for the survivors.

Checkmate Atheists!

Farm subsidies for domestic agricultural production ensure national food security.

You can bet your ass that if the USA stopped subsidizing farmers, the governments of other nations would still do it.

>>4943664
I found this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/interactives/farmaid/ but realised that most people would never take the time to actually read it.

>>4943655
>implying

Does anyone else want to settle Mars with every fiber of their being, but also know they will desperately miss this blue marble?

>>4943649
If the USA gets rid of its huge military then it will no longer be able to project its power and other world powers will fill the power vacuum and begin to divide the world up amongst themselves, causing tension between the super powers and possibly leading to global war.

Long story short, the USA's preposterously large military prevents global war.

Many parts of this robot were made in Europe. What's with all the American nationalism?
Even Spain created the wheater station.

♡ to OP
I know that feel
And so does the guy on the bottom right in this pic

>>4943692
>Long story short, the USA's preposterously large military prevents global war.

Exactly right. There is still a problem, though, with where they use it. Probably not a big risk as long as the US participates in UN and other major first-world conferences and summits.

Someone ALWAYS has to be the big dog; you just have to make sure the dog behaves.

>>4943696
>What's with all the American nationalism?
USA politicians have to be patriotic every other sentence. By NASA making this something to take national pride in they are making it easier for politicians to get behind it.

Another achievement only America could present the world.

>>4943692
Right, I don't say that military power is useless, but then don't cry and tell me that we can't help poor people because all to the money was sent to Mars. If we really wanted to get rid of famine, we could more easily spare some billions on military budget (and on many others) than on NASA.

>>4943710
World Federal Government FTW?

>>4943685
I know that feel well

>>4943685
I'd miss it but if you think that'd keep me from going, you're dead wrong.

I'd sacrifice everything to go, I don't think humanity should walk to the future, we should run and leap and take chances

>>4943649

>Not to mention the 2012 US military budget : $1.030–$1.415 trillion (That's right, 1000+ billions)

lol who needs space xD kids in africa are starving!!111!

>>4943685
If mars had an atmosphere like earth's, you could strap on wings and fly, because of the lower gravity.

That alone would make me go "well fuck earth, hi mars"

>>4941999