/sci/ - Science & Math

you want a bunch of useless anecdotes i bet?
NOPE: RESEARCH
scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=indicators+of+academic+success

Most people will tell you all you need is hard work.
Those people are faggots (and wrong)

To get through undergrad, hard work is enough. This is only because they've lowered academic standards in undergrad to mae it for everyone. To really make it as a scientist you need some measure of talent that's uncommon.

Unless you think "making it" is becoming a lab tech, then congratulations on your mediocrity.

who would want to be a scientist? fucking suckers, that's who.

itt:

insecure people saying it's all about hard work and regaling use with tales of success

and

intelligent people talking about how special they are.

It is both hard work and natural talent. The first is more important than the latter, but both are necessary.

Being interested in stuff like maths/science means you are intelligent enough to pursue it further.

>>4926849

I'd put good money on you being the same idiot who insisted that high school level knowledge is enough to get you through a degree in computer science.

>>4926859
I think it has to do with motivation and self-awareness.

>>4926868
>self-awareness.

>>>/x/

No, but it helps. Assuming you want to be the absolute best in your field you can't get there on hard work alone - but that's not to say that hard work isn't required.

It's all relative and applies to pretty much everything in life. If, for example, I wanted to improve my driving skill I could practice for hours each day. I'd never be as good as Michael Schumacher.

All that said, you can get a fair distance on hard work alone. If you work hard in academia, your intelligence will increase. Interest, ambition, willingness to learn and a good attitude serve you well - intelligence is fuel to the fire.

Ironically, bright (but not like, savant genius level) people are probably more likely to wash out simply because they will never need to learn good study habits, until it's possibly too late. Average people usually have to learn how to study and manage time by around the time they get through university calculus. And there are support systems/resources there.

If you don't realize you're in over your head until you're in grad school life is a lot fucking harder. It's like getting chicken pox as a child or an adult.

>>4926873
How do you get ambition?

>>4926873
>>4926866

Was going to say something along the lines of these two to encourage you OP - there is no need for elitism in science because the more you discourage people from becoming scientifically literate the shittier the world will be, so don't listen to the trolls or elitist assholes. I'm a solid A physics student doing research, and although I was born with some intelligence it has mainly been hard work and a huge passion and love for what I do to get me where I am. I work under some of the best in experimental particle physics and high energy astrophysics and definitely look up to some of the graduate students at my university, and we all tag up to catch up each other in research and let me tell you, some of the more intelligent graduate students have a lot of trouble as well but through hard work and some inner intelligence - along with a strong desire and passion will get you where you want.

And to all the trolls and elitist science students, you're all a bunch of faggots for discouraging anyone to pursue science further.

>>4926863
let's be honest, computer science is not that hard.

>>4926902

Thanks.

I doubt I'll go for a full fledged science degree, but I really don't want to consign myself to liberal arts or burger flipping.

>>4926762
If a normal person can walk, grasp moving objects, and speak a language with complex grammatical rules, then yes. It's really just a matter of building a base from which they draw intuitive understandings. The main problem is that they often resort to rote memorization of rules(which are often forgotten) because they may not have internalized the concepts during school.

With time and proper knowledge scaffolding, these people can learn math the correct way, and remember not the formula, but the purpose behind the formula.

>>4927198

>but I really don't want to consign myself to liberal arts
>implying liberal arts careers aren't challenging, influential, and financially rewarding.

Because they generally arent

>>4927252

Earnings are pretty low compared to STEM majors.
Like, very low.

>>4926762
If you cannot learn it, it isn't science in the first place. That was easy.

>>4927246
>purpose behind the formula.

Yes, the same people who can't find the meaning behind literature which should be "easier" than mathamatics... Good luck with that.

As for you OP, to understand success, you take what you're good at and amplify it - a degree does not guarantee success, it's a piece of paper. You make yourself successful.

>>4927269

It's what you do with that degree that makes you influential, not the degree itself jackass.

>>4927399

I'm an okay artist, which is a pretty worthless talent to have. It's a form of stress relief anyway.

Intelligence can be raised through proper nutritional support, supplements, nootropics, reduced stress, proper breathing habits, proper sleep, brain stimulating activities (starcraft 2, word puzzles, math equations, writing), and stopping the use of alcohol/cannabis/illegal drugs.

There are many other things that will boost intellect, mental speed, and clarity.

From what I've seen, as long as your IQ is above 95, you should be able to do well in a bachelor's and master's degree. At the Ph.D. level and beyond it becomes harder.

Also, the ability to defer gratification is proven to determine academic success more than IQ. Just look up the marshmallow experiment. The kids who deferred had higher SAT scores, with a higher correlation than their IQs.

>>4927335
Science majors also make shit, just like libshit majors. Only engineering or healthcare fields make any good money.

What do you mean by "natural intelligence"? Scientific method has only been around in a meaningful form for a few 100 years.

Innate intelligence is the kind of intelligence that allows someone like Nicki Minaj to understand what her consumer base want and produce music that they are willing to pay for, without the need for lengthy abstract education in how to do so.

>>4927425

This.

It's all about how bad you want it, if your lazy -you can be smart but you aren't going to go far.

Just because you go to college does not make you smart, it makes you a hard worker. As my former math teacher put it "college is there to prove that you can be taught and stick with something." I hated the fuck but he's right.

>I doubt I'll go for a full fledged science degree, but I really don't want to consign myself to liberal arts or burger flipping.
Do Econ, Finance or business but only at a reputable school. If you some networking, and know how to talk to people, your school has a reputable program, you can make more than any Engineer can even dream of. Significantly less math and hard work required. Think smarter, not harder.

>>4927441
What if I prefer math instead of dealing with people to create connections?

>>4927445

Then continue on the same track, do a "hard" science.

>note: not that guy you quoted

>>4926849

>Scientific knowledge = all knowledge

Sometimes this place feels like /fit/ with science.