/sci/ - Science & Math

Sad if I lived forever, but since I probably won't. Why give a shit?

>>4893863
No trace of your culture, humanity, earth, everything gone.

How do you feel about the universe coming to an end one day OP?

For me, its natural and we are written into that 'equation'. Universe started, universe will end. What is beyond is anyone guess and race to figure out this shit is what gets me to wake up.

What is scary really is amount of inane, idiotic threads people like you spew every fucking moment.
So sage because fuck you.

OP and /sci/s - Do you guys think a group of intelligent life form civilizations and super Al's could stop the end of the Universe?

>>4893894
escape this universe to one where the laws are similar enough that you could exist in it

>idiotic threads people like you spew every fucking moment.
pretty much this, go do some work or study for fucks sake. all i see everyday the same fucking threads

I plan to have a nice lunch.

I have one question about ops pic. if light radiates away from the big bang does that mean light has escaped our universe, and if so what is it in now?

I need to take a huge shit

Seeing as how by 2130 (which is a very generous guess, you know, with increased life expectancy and what-not) we'll all probably be dead, why give a shit. Yeah, we'll disappear eventually. But we'll be dead, so we won't care.

>>4893900
Is it possible to do that?

>>4893958
If light reaches it, it is connected to the universe. If it is connected to the universe, by definition, it is part of the universe.

Indifferent - it's really quite irrelevant to my life, or the lives of any member of our species.

>implying that not even one of the trillions of intelligent civilizations wont make it to another universe/the space between universes before this one comes to an end.

I shiggy

>>4893843
Meh. Wouldn't care unless I achieved practical immortality, and even then, I could probably leave this universe/ create another one given that much time.

pretty much haunts every waking second of my life

meh

in an expanding universe, if you could live forever, you get to witness the heat death of the universe...
in about 10^100 or more years.
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years.

fuck that waiting noise.

>>4894197
/sci/ seems to not like such huge numbers.

Since I'll be dead, I wouldn't care. However, I don't necessarily buy into the whole heat death scenario. Yes, I know that our current observations and data generally point to that conclusion, but 1000 years ago our best observations and data pointed to geocentrism. We know so little about our universe and the nature of dark matter that I can't in good faith trust any particular theory concerning the fate of the universe.

>>4894202
>>4894197
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>>4894062

was really just trying to derail into an "escape the universe" thread but thanks for post anyways.

new question. what if we go far enough fast enough that we have escaped the expanding spacetime. are we really in the same universe? and if so could this open our eyes to new dimensions we are unable to see from within?

>>4894234
Isn't the edge of the universe just a full of dark matter and nothingness?

theories, theories everywhere

the human mind, at our current state, is unable to come up with the truth regarding shit bigger and more complex than us. Only an egotistical idiot would be so sure of "knowing" the "truth" with these retarded theories

humanity will go extinct waaay before the end of the universe. The end of the universe is so far away that I don't really care.

>>4896113
Why would the human race go extinct?

>>4896158
because you're mom

>>4896158
Lack of energy source, and inability to expand.

Without a star to orbit, planets freeze and all life dies.

Travelling to a new planet is extremely difficult, and finding one with suitable conditions is next to impossible.

Don't some theories on the beginning of the universe imply that a new big bang will eventually come?
Not an expert on this.
>>4896163
>What is terraforming?

>>4896163
Were closer than ever to do this shit on Mars and the Moon so gtfo.

>>4896161
fuck you fag

Hardly matters since it's ridiculously far away.

>universe coming to an end one day?
When the universe comes to an end, there will be no bodies left to give off light or to spin in that light in order to have a day/night cycle.

And I'm okay with that.

>>4896179
But nothing. Nothing!

is this thread about edgy teenagers trying to figure out science?

>>4896202
No. why bro?

By the time that matter starts declining, humanity will either be dead, existing as something non-human or so advanced that they'll be able to manipulate the universe, spawning new big bangs or traveling across the multiverse or some other superscience shit like that.
>>4896202
Yeah, it's so edgy I accidentally pricked myself and got injected with raw edgyness.

>Big Bang theory
>heat death

Not science.

>>4896213
http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html

>>4896224
Yes it is fag. It's facking physics

Won't ever happen. God protects us.

>>4896238
lol. stfu. teen thread ftw.

>>4896238
yeah, god does what he/she pleases

>>4896246
Thats why he's god and you aren't

>>4896227
Now that was fascinating.

Mom

Why does this thread exist?

>>4896227
Amazing. One of the best I ever read.

>>4896102
>>4894234
The universe either has a defined volume, in which case the edges overlap, like in the videogame asteroids, or is infinite, in which case it has always been infinite and the density of space has just decreased since the point in spacetime we call the "start" of the universe.

>>4896310
Because of the bounding conditions of the universe

>>4896380
So what?

There won't be any trace of human civilization a billion years from now... nevermind trillions of years or more from now when the Universe finally ends.

>>4896863
If we go through the type I phase of the Kardashev scale humanity will easily get to the other phases and thous remain for billions if not trillion of years

>>4896880
thus. idiot.

I died by then.

Yes

If I were a girl.

>>4896448
You're question is analogous to asking what would happen if you reached the edge of Earth.
There is no edge in that sense.

>>4893843
It's ok, even if it wasn't my feelings wouldn't change the fact.

>>4897115
wait what?

>>4897156
I feel ok about the universe being finite. Even if I felt otherwise the universe would still be finite.

>human race

it's a species, not a race

why does it look like a bell? shouldn't it look like a sphere and not a dong.

Meh. I'm an existential nihilist

>>4893878
He'd be too dead to care.

>>4898573
It's an artist's impression of the universe in 4 dimensions, which you are looking at on a 2 dimensional screen.

You'll notice time advances from left to right.

Everything ends. I got over this years ago when I first began studying history.

Go stand in the ruins of the Roman Empire and truly ponder all that they achieved, hoped for, struggled for, and tried to hold on to right up to the end. And realize that all that is left of those thousand + years of struggle is broken rocks stacked atop each other.

Everything ends, brah, just accept it and move on.

Maybe our descendents will learn to reverse entropy. Maybe our predecessors already have.

>>4898976
"Cosmic AC," said Man, "How may entropy be reversed?"

The Cosmic AC said, "THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER."

Man said, "Collect additional data."

The Cosmic AC said, "I WILL DO SO. I HAVE BEEN DOING SO FOR A HUNDRED BILLION YEARS. MY PREDECESSORS AND I HAVE BEEN ASKED THIS QUESTION MANY TIMES. ALL THE DATA I HAVE REMAINS INSUFFICIENT."

"Will there come a time," said Man, "when data will be sufficient or is the problem insoluble in all conceivable circumstances?"

The Cosmic AC said, "NO PROBLEM IS INSOLUBLE IN ALL CONCEIVABLE CIRCUMSTANCES."

Man said, "When will you have enough data to answer the question?"

"THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER."

"Will you keep working on it?" asked Man.

The Cosmic AC said, "I WILL."

Man said, "We shall wait."

http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html

>>4898980
It's my favorite science fiction story. Ever. Not just my favorite short. My favorite science fiction story I've ever read.

ufw the 'universe' was made to search for something and we are its primary (or maybe one of its primary) workforce to achieve its goal

huuur 'Why give a shit'

>>4898970
I truely cried.
>>4898980
then cried again.

why do you keep bumping this shitty thread?

This thread is awesome.

The universe won't end. It will just be in a different state to what it is now. All energy perfectly distributed across its area. It will still be there, just not in a form that we'll recognise.

let me guess, you are all under 18

>>4898980
Awesome story

>>4899415
I'm 19.

Are there anymore stories like The Last Question but longer?

>>4899409
your mom is shitty

>>4899415
22 fag.

>>4899414
Physics today claim nothing will happen. Just particles moving around in a expanding universe. The chance they even touch each other is low.

>>4899418
>>4899421
you're moms called and said it's time to go to bed

>>4899425
k bro

>>4899428
np kid

>>4899425
>you're moms called and said it's time to go to bed
>you're
>you are
>...
>you are moms called and said it's time to go to bed

Yeah keep trying to look cool on the internet please. It's quite funny.

>>4899431
trololol

fag got fagged

>>4899431
le butthurt

we are all moms in this thread. teen moms.

>>4893843
>mfw our current model of the universe will be completely rendered inconsequential with some new discovery and we will have wasted our lives on trivial research that was fallacious in its conception.

Just waiting it out ... until the perfect time to strike with an ' i told you so '

>>4899418
What this guys said, any more good stories?

>>4899447
>implying that if the theories change the experimental results become any less useful

>>4899455
You can't trick me with your fancy logic.

i'll be dead home boy it's irrelevant nigga

>>4899470
Pretty much. Why care about what we can't change? The big drain is inevitable.

>>4899473
Yes we can do something.
Move to another universe or some shit like that fag

SHIT

Humans are guaranteed to have ended by then, and it's just as well.

Why should a perfectly rational being (not a human) care what form the universe takes? Only a selfish meatbag of a human would want to preserve the human form.

Hi Keeton

Fences

>>4899609
Culture bro, culture.

>>4899688
Why should a disembodied rational being care about human culture? An outside observer disconnected from emotions has no sense of self preservation or attachment to an identity.

To that end, I can take solace in knowing that to simply let things be is the most rational course of action, which furthers my goal of becoming as rational a being as is possible while still being human.

I'm going to die in about 60-70 years. I'll die, there will be nothing, I will not exist, I will not feel time, nothing.

Time will pass, humans will go through so many phases, wars, disease, ET contact, more war, suffering, FTL, galactic wars, exploration, epidemics, famine, meteors, black holes, dying somewhere out in space, asexual cyborgs, all of it, and whether or not our species is victorious or not in all of this, time will still move on, billions of billions of years will pass and the universe will finally reach heat death and there will be nothing. The humans would have tried with the last few remaining years of energy they had left to discover some way to reverse the equation, but it will be too late, and all shall pass into darkness.

And all of a sudden I'd open my eyes, I'd feel a little light-headed, but I'd open them and the sunlight would hurt my eyes a little and I'd have to squint to look around me. I'm on the shore of a beach. There's sand all around me, some palm trees over there just before a hill I cannot see over, a crab's crawling out of the water and into its hole, some seagulls fly over. I look down at my hands and body. It's all there, I sit up, take a deep breath, and stretch my arms. What happened? I was old, dying on my bed. Why am I young again? What happened?

And then, /sci/, I realize it all. There was an afterlife and a god all along. The universe wasn't so dull after all. All my atheism and all my science while back in the universe were well-placed, sure, but ultimately and fortunately untrue.

I stand up and start walking towards the hill.

I'll see you on the other side of that hill, guise. I'll see you.

>>4899747
>heat death
dis nigga serious?

>>4899747
but you're an atheist
but really you hope for an afterlife?

so you're really a closet theist

>>4899765
I hope for a portal gun.
But it probably is impossible.
What is your point?

>>4899765
You're a human? But you hope you can fly someday? Then you're a closet bird.

>>4899771
I don't take solace in knowing that one day I will be freed from the manacles of terrestrial movement by being magically given the ability to soar the glorious skies, no. It would be nice, but I don't base my emotional stability off of an impossibility.

Really these are poor analogies; if you haven't fully accepted your complete erasure from existence then you aren't a true atheist.

1. Big Bang
2. Universe Expand
3. Universe Collapse
4. Repeat 1 - 3 until last everything decays
5. Repeat 4 until Universe has no radiation hotspots

>>4899822
learn to perlmutter

>>4899811
>then you aren't a true atheist

Who are you to judge my atheism? And what the heck is a true atheist? You and every other "true atheist" are exactly what Nietzsche was talking about. You are everything wrong with atheism.

>>4899747
Amen. jk bro. Can't feel you more. Same feel.

>>4899765
You're a fag.

>>4899747
Wow bro. wow.

Never dies. Universe won't die.

I am the universe

>>4898980
>>4898980

that. was. inspiring.

i get so happy when something of legitimate value somehow winds up on these boards.

>>4899932
you dont know the first thing about me or my atheism

Yup. Can happen.

Won't happen

Hopefully won't happen

My finger hurts.

love of my life

existence is indefinite. wont happen. maybe intelligent life will cease but the universe won't

>>4901896
yes it will, faggot. The increase of entropy is inevitable in the universe and proven to be a fact. Eventually the universe will become so random and disorganized there won't even be a sense of time any longer. So the universe as you know it will certainly be at an end at that point.

Even though i may die the energy and particles that make up my mind and body will live. Long after this earth has perished my energy shall storm through the cosmos, reaching places i would never reach in my human form. Even though we may not live to see it, we are all eternal.

I wrote an essay on this. I personally don't agree with the current theories since many of them exclude fare too many variables from the equation and base alot on assumptions. I don't think we have the proper science to calculate long time yet.

>>4901906
Stop taking weed bro.

>>4901932

He's got a point though

>>4901974
No he doesn't

>>4902251
>>4902251
Yes he does. We might all be naught but our particles and energy and those particles and energy shall spread all across the universe. But your particles will stay here because they're faggots.

>>4902261
You're a faggot fag.

i have an incredibly deep sense of satisfaction it all WILL go away

>>4902344
Fuck you

>>4902392

...yes...that's the very spirit!
glad you understand.

>>4902398
yw anon

life won't exsist by then

>>4902261
we're not our particles, we lose particles and gain particles all the time, all our particles have already been replaced at least once in our lifetime
we are our organization, and organization like ours is impossible at maximun entropy

>>4903106
True shit.

I'm super scared about this

>>4903147
I know right

>>4893863
Fuck you.

>>4893843
Trillions of years is a lot of time. Terran life might spread and evolve to the point of extending the habitability within galaxies far beyond natural periods by regulating star formation.

>>4893878
>implying humanity is worth being remembered

At first it saddened me but now I think of it as an end to all suffering. Hopefully, the next universe after this one is non-intelligent.

inb4 faggot etc morality philosophy

>>4903106
I've heard that every atom within the human body is replaced every 11 years.

>>4904658
>implying someone other than humans assigns worth

>>4894197
Is it really 10^100 or just a random number you threw out?

>>4904662
sounds like one of those bullshit urban legends

I have the same scars from when I was 5

>>4904660
Go to bed Owl Man.

>>4904675
>I have the same scars from when I was 5
And I have the same facial structure I did 12 years ago. That has nothing to do with it.

>>4904684
scars don't change your dna

>>4904703
That doesn't help your argument.

what everybody would feel is, by all accounts, nothing. what's there to fear?
if where all gone, why would it make a difference if you feared it.

i wish it was in my lifetime

>>4899747
Why do people think God and science are enemies?

>>4904827
Because one was created by superstitious people with no understanding of the universe just fear and doubt and has since been stuck into the fabric of civilization and given special unscrutinised treatment from fear and dogma, and the other is the polar opposite about questioning everything sincerely trying to understand the universe.

But if you're one of these people who believe that just because people have been believing something for a long time means we should take it seriously then what can I say?

>>4904827
exactly

given the idea that our consciousness truly disappears upon death, and given the infinite nature of the universe
maybe it's possible that your consciousness will eventually manifest once again
after all, infinity is a very long time

>>4898970
But the Roman Empire never ended in the true sense of the world. It just transformed into another thing.

>thinking that far into the future

enjoy your shitty lives

i know i fail at philosophy and this isnt a place for this (disclaimer from a useless nobody) but here i go. also, please point out the flaws (which there will be).

all that matters is the nothing.

My obsession with nonexistence is not a thought experiment or some abstract triviality; in fact, we encounter nonexistence every day. For some thing to be, many, perhaps infinitely many, things must not be. For instance, you are presented a choice, A or B. If you choose A, you won't have B, and vice versa. More concretely, you apply to a number of colleges, and to make things more depressing, let's say you were admitted by only one school, and it was your least favorite one. Admittance to the schools you wanted to go to were out of the question due to the college admission process. When you are something, at somewhere, with someone, you are not many other somethings, not at many somewheres, and not with many someones. With the past, this is more clearly observable, but I claim that the future is also rigidly fixed to be one and only one sequence of events out of many, perhaps infinite. Just because we do not know the future at this time does not mean a future of endless possibilities; in fact, I claim the future is fixed, just as the past is.

This does not mean this sequence of the events is the only one in existence. Although we are trapped in this linear time, I believe in the Many Worlds Theory and my own extension of it. All possible linear timelines within the familiar laws of physics exist, parallel to each other. In addition, all possible worlds with different sets of physical laws exist. It is my personal view that we are stuck in this hyperspace of existence, and as human beings, we may perceive only one timeline at a time.
But interestingly, we now must acknowledge that we need to redefine nonexistence. If nonexistence is merely the unknowable worlds that do not exist because of selective consciousness, but in fact do outside our own timeline, then nonexistence in this case is the things not selected. My notion of selection is not willed, not by human nor God, but more the idea of one things at a time. Selection is the process in our timeline that determines which of all the probable events that may occur in a given world manifests itself in that one particular timeline.

Nonexistence is incomplete in this mode of thought. A stronger nonexistence would require that it is unknowable and does not exist in the unknowable. It is not merely the things not chosen; it is truly nothing. Our notion of no apples depends on spacetime and circumstances. If there were no apples at Earth ever, then we could never know about apples. But apples might exist in the many other unknown timelines that we could have no information on. So apples would exist in the unknown. But let's say apples do not exist anywhere in existence at all, no matter any crazy laws we could think of and not think of. Then apples do not exist.
It is my strong belief that everything we think of does exist. Many things we never or can never think of also exist. But what about nothingness in and of itself, a nonexistence that is independent of existence. Can there be such awesome nothingness?

Regarding first person experience, I believe I will experience this timeline as all living things with even the slightest sense of consciousness. So, after I die, I'll experience the first person experience as you, and all other human beings that have lived and will live and do live right now. I'll also experience this timeline as the cockroach that I just killed right now. This might sound like reincarnation, but I assert that the selection of the agent of first person experience is not affected at all by the actions undertaken by the agent during his time alive. This also means that if there are aliens in this universe and timeline, I will also experience the first person perspective through their entities. Furthermore, it cannot be known that the first person experience, or my first person experience, does not randomly cross to other timelines, rather than exhausting all entities of this timeline, in order, at all. So, if I already exist once, then I am forever stuck in the realm of existence.

Which brings us back to the nonexistence in and of itself. Such a state cannot even be written about, for it is an unknown unknown, in fact unknown to the unknown power. It must be realized that zero on the real line is an arbitrary, chosen, or selected locus of origin by human minds. The place of zero can actually be any point on the real line, as long as we apply the axioms after we have made our assumption on the location of zero. So, let's say I have a conversation with one other person. After death and possibly infinite amounts of deaths in infinitely many other timelines, I will have the same conversation, only I'll be the other person, with the other person's first person perspective. Also, it is also not necessary that the former me is "occupied" by the same consciousness that I have encountered in that one conversation.

So how can I explain 6 billion first person perspectives, much less perspectives of all things that can have consciousness, in countless different world with countless different sets of laws? I claim that all first person experiences are actually one perspective. There is no time paradox because the first person experience is not bound by spacetime, only existence. So, you and I are arbitrary distinctions due to never ending selection. All is one, and all is one.
Again, then, what is nonexistence? It does not exist. In the end, tautologies are the only truths that deserve to be called truth. And even they are susceptible to falsification.
Or I could claim nothingness on all.
What the hell is going on????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


ok, that was the last of it. complete waste of time, out of my own egoism, just spreading a meme, etc. if u read it, i hope u enjoyed it.

wtf 4chan needs a /phil/ board

The though that I will not witness the technological advancements makes me sadder