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post the paper

What's there to say on manipulating people? You make them do things you want. There's nothing that special about it.

But I'd like to see what you mean, so post it.

Getting people to do what you want? There are lots of ways to do that.

How To Make Friends and Influence People by Carnegie Dale is a pretty awesome one, though you have to dissolve pride/dignity.

Have you ever read anything he wrote?

Post the paper.

You're going to have to be more specific.

Are you that guy who made a thread on /r9k/ a while ago? I might remember you.

>>4855846
on /r9k/ the manipulation threads are phishing schemes. This guy sounds more hopelessly naive than what I expect a savvy, Eastern European computer criminal to be like.

>>4855846
Yeah, that's me. I've expanded the concept a bit since then.

>>4855899
I still don't understand how it could be interpreted as a scheme. I'm looking for feedback, nothing more.

Here you go!
word doc: http://rghost.net/39122223
pdf (weird font rendering): http://rghost.net/39122238

So what's your take on manipulation? What have you observed?

>>4855980
Put it up in plaintext Im not downloading files linked on 4chan.

>>4855991
Yea, pastebin or something.

Most of people don't know themselves, that's pretty normal, tbh. Manipulate them is using their own unknownledgment about themselves to make them think and act the way we want to. But that's easier talking then doing.

>>4855992
>>4855991

i downloaded it and my notebook just exploded.

>>4855991
>>4855846
ok give me a moment

Text version:
http://pastebin.com/F8Q6GVB8

Feedback is appreciated.

>>4856006
told you about lithium ion
told you

Interesting so far. for once, well done OP

>>4856020
it's all pretty basic, I knew all these techniques. Just tell people what they want to hear, phrase things in a way that they think of the conclusion themselves, but the conclusion is inevitable, fake the body language, make them like you, etc.
No protips, just a beginners guide.

Funny you mention questioning other's motives as a technique not to be manipulated, I can relate

>>4856040
Yeah, I tried to look at it from a more theoretical point of view. Because there are no examples, it will inevitably bore most.

I'll add some protips in newer versions.

First, people are different and should be treated accordingly, especially when you have a goal behind your interaction with them. Acknowledging that there is no universal method for manipulating everyone creates the question "How do I know how to manipulate an individual and unique person?" You must first learn how to read people. I suggest the book Reading People by Jo-Ellan Dimitrious and Mark Mazzarella. Dimitrious was the consultant that helped select the jury that acquitted O.J. Simpson if that adds any validity to what she has to say on the subject of reading people and using them to reach a particular goal.

Speaking of protips, does anyone have any for me?

>>4856055
This is fairly obvious and OP makes some good points about it in the text. Nowhere did he say that everyone be treated in the same way.

I think one very important rule that can always apply is that you always want to seem as open as possible.

No matter what you do with people, if you make it seem as if you're completely open about your intentions, you will require much less effort in convincing them to do or believe things.

If people see you as a withdrawn or suspicious character, and it's enough to just hide a phonecall or two, they start on a train of doubt that can expose lies and intentions they didn't notice before.

I'd like to see more of this. This is why we need >>>/psy/.

Bumo

>>4856888
agreed

>>4856020
This is really good.
In my country, some robers used trance
to control the victim. It's on the news, I don't know if they are lying or what, but this is really interesting indeed.

Bomu

>>4859555
>trance
like the music?

>>4860905
Yes, now go away, research trance music, and don't come back.

>>4861010
But why are you so mad?

>>4862658
Because you're trying to troll in a thread where people are being semi-serious about the topic.

If you want to do
>LMAO UMADUMAD U SO FUKIN MAD xD
go to /b/ or /soc/. The guy wrote a paper, put time and effort into it, and people are providing feedback/discussing the subject. You're mocking it.

Either add something to the conversation at hand or leave the thread.

Zip zop zoobity bump

>>4862685
In fact, very few people are actually giving feedback. Not what I expected from sci. Though some seem interested seeing as the thread keeps getting bumped.