/sci/ - Science & Math

>Morgan Freeman
>I'm Miss Daisy

this is a stupid question because unless you're a millionaire, you have no alternative anyway

>implying being piss poor on the social bottom of society is fun

There's a lot of stuff I want while I think life is fun and awesome.

I'm an existentialist.

>>4848689
so, money drives you?
>enjoy being typical and wondering what you done with your life when you're dying

emotion

>>4848715
which one?

>>4848718
wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony.

>>4848718

all of them

simple, and not simpler

>>4848710
don't worry, you'll grow up as well

>>4848715
Emotion doesn't drive you, emotion is an epiphenomenon. Your body reacts to stimuli. Determinism, bitch.

>What drives you?
Adenosine triphosphate

What drives me?

My car.

>>4848773

so what is the difference between emotion and 'reacting to stimuli' besides one being a subset of the other

>>4848773
nope

emotion is a machine state (one of many) that helps determine how "you" respond to stimuli

>>4848782
Emotion doesn't really exist. It's an epiphenomenon at best. That means it has no effects. Unless you're a retard of course who believes in magic like free will.

>>4848790
There is no "you" or "me". We are biological robots and our reactions to stimuli are entirely determined by the neural connections in our brains. No need for pseudoscience or magic.

>>4848795
hence my quotes retard

emotion is like a state of a turing machine

What drives you?

The hopes and dreams of orphans.

They drive fast.

What's the point to live? As after the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box. What's the human experience all about? We can sense, feel, create. I think it comes down to how we'd like to experience the world. I know determinsim kinda ruins the fun to an extent, but we have no option to ignore that. So life is about one's relation to the world through the senses. We have to choose,

>not to experience
>to experience; how to

I find no reason to "not to experience" as I enjoy doing many things in life. It's clearly a norm for humans to enjoy some experiences (as we are hardwired to), however "meaningless" they are in the big picture. The ones who decide to not experience and kill themselves usually have a narrow view of the world or some mental disorder which interferes with reasoning. Think, how many intellectuals, philosophers have decided to kill themselves?

So we are forced to choose how to experience the world. Most of us strive to the good feelings of joy, happiness etc. Every man's goal and passion comes down to feeling a certain way at a certain moment in time.

So what drives us? Great moments. Being in the moment. Doing things. Feeling. Experiencing.

Isn't that what everything comes down to?

>>4848821
God, you're a faggot. Go fuck a woman. Then you can "experience" reality you delusional headcase.

>>4848839
>typical /sci/ behaviour

one of the worst boards on 4chan for this reason alone.

explain or dont speak, fuckwit.

>>4848869
*tears for you*

>mfw people using the concept of determinism in order to feel self-pity

If you knew what you were going to do, you'd get the chance to rebel against it and do the opposite. When something is determined, you grant yourself the right to choose. If you had no clue on what was probable or not, you'd have no clue on what is possible or not.

Also, don't confuse determinism (the idea that all can be determined, which is almost a religious thing really) with what WE can determine today. That is, you think you know the future because you can read on what causes things, but even if you are sure of it, it will always be a guess, it will always be your reading on what causes things.

Determinism frees you on that sense. I'm not even getting into the discussion on whether it is something real or not, just that, if you believe in determinism you have no right to complain about it as something that stops you. Because even if you're life is determined, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS DETERMINED TO BE.

...But no, you are dicks who take your own guesses way too seriously thinking you can grasp some sort of certainty on the future.

FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS

and you wonder why you pieces of shit are poor and single

>>4848872
>hurr durr
>you sure got him good
>hurr durr

>>4848879
>he's so mad he started samefagging

>>4848879
>>4848880
>>4848880

you children seriously need to go back to /v/

who even says "hurr" and "you mad" anymore?

fucking uneducated children.

>>4848885
+1

The summerfriends should leave.

>>4848885
If you're going to post multiple times back and forth to yourself, at least make it subtle and discrete.

>>4848890
I wasn't.

But okay, summerfaggot.

>>4848896
This isn't me either.

>>4848795
I want to know more on this "no 'you' or 'me'" notion. I would like CREDIBLE sources etc..

(not that /sci/ is, ironically, good at providing evidence for bizarre claims)

>>4848839

3/10 responded

Nothing really drives me anymore. I lost the will to live long ago now I run off "I'm suicidal anyway I might as well take all the risks in the world" which has led to some interesting monetary gain.

I might start a foundation to assist intellectuals in poverty if my profit gets in the millions.

>>4848908
THIS!
THIS!THIS!THIS!THIS!THIS!
ME TOO!!!!
>>4848908
>>4848908
>>4848908
>>4848908
>>4848908

>>4848914
I wouldn't.

>>4848922
Are you atheist?
Just curious.

>>4848795
This is what obese people or drug addicts say to justify their life.

> WELP I CANT MAKE CHOICES BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS ALREADY HAPPENING AND THERE IS NO OTHER WAY IT COULD HAPPEN. I AM A ROBOT A SLAVE AND MY LIFE IS EFFECTIVELY EXCLUSIVE FROM ME BECUASE THERE IS NO YOU OR ME WE ARE ALL PROGRAMMED TO DO AS WE DO

> Proceeds to eat an entire wedding cake or smoke meth.

>>4848908
>>4848908
>>4848908
Still would like some information.

>>4848922

So edgy bro.

>>4848928
Yes

>>4848933
suicidal =/= "depressed" high school emo

People often confuse knowledge (or even information) with meaning.

Things only make sense when you put meaning on to them. One thing is to understand that reality will be reality regardless of how we see it. That is, Earth was round in ancient times as well, even if no one noticed. But the key is to realize that if you don't know the shape of Earth, Earth being round or not is irrelevant. So if you are not travelling by plane or broadcasting the weather and you are actually a farmer from 2000 B.C. who never got out of his small collection of hills... it doesn't matter.

But why am I saying this? Well, it seems to me that the people in this thread is searching for meaning on the outside world. That one day one will discover something that goes beyond what we already know and that will give meaning to our lives. But it's the other way around, you are the ones that give meaning to things, in the same way that in order to understand things we have to close them up into models and systems.

The thing that we want to be meaningful need to be treated by its own scale. If you want your notion of self and your life to be meaningful, it's not galaxies or atoms that will give its meaning, but, just as an example, the STUDY of atoms and galaxies might be meaningful to you. Because the word "study" is in a human scale, it involves you into a human activity.

cont

>>4848942 cont

Why bother when you are made of H2O for the most part? Why bother if you are just space between atoms? Why bother if you are so tiny in relation to the stars?

Well, why bother about those things when that never changed who you are? That you always were star dust and empty space, knowing about it or not. So you go back to your own scale, to your own life and you realize that since you were looking for meaningful answers on the outside world, the "small" universe of your life appears empty. That is because you are spreading meaning to gigantic proportions, trying to embrace everything.

And that would be fine if it didn't bother you so much. It bothers you because part of you wants life to be full of meaning and part of you wants to embrace it all up. Separate those things, clear your head on what is your life and what is what you know.

death

>>4848942
>>4848944
Woah,
Thank you for that, I mean really thank you. You have put a depressed Not the angsty teenager sort of depressed anon onto a new track of thought.

>>4848957
Stop samefagging the shit out of the first page.

>>4848965
Sorry, that was my first post here in the entirety of visiting /sci/

>>4848947

>nope.jpg

Its the same shit and if you really onto something elaborate or go to specialist because if you are 'suicidal' not just edgy fuckwit you are sick and you need professional help.

>>4848969
Don't say sorry to a bunch of faggots. If he can't simply ignore the thread and continue scrolling it means he's looking for attention on an anonymous image board which is asinine to begin with even if it wasn't anonymous.

>>4848957
I'm glad to hear that, I really am.

>>4848942
>>4848947

/sci/ - pop science and pseudo philosophy

Don't say sorry to a bunch of faggots. If he can't simply ignore the thread and continue scrolling it means he's looking for attention on an anonymous image board which is asinine to begin with even if it wasn't anonymous.

>>4848947
This fucking kid and...
>>4848957
This one should look...
>>4848976
Here.

Go back to cutting yourself kids.

>>4848788

are you saying that because emotion doesn't exist it has no effects(which is a no-brainer, but even more subtle is the unjustified 'emotion doesn't exist'[being secondary and inert doesn't mean it does not exist])

or

emotion has no effects so it doesn't exist(hopefully i don't have to tell you why that's wrong)

>Unless you're a retard of course who believes in magic like free will.

have you determined a resolution for either side, because that's the only way anyone should take your word for this

>Unless they're retards who believe in naivete like pragmamorphism

What drives me is eventually improving the lives of people, even if my contribution is infintesimal.

>>4849006
Never cut myself and never bothered thinking about it. The depression seems to run in the family.

>>4849007
>i don't have to tell you why that's wrong
LOL 1/10

You can't tell me why it's wrong. And you know why? Because it isn't wrong. It is scientific fact.

>>4848994
yet it's attitude like yours that makes it impossible to come to a common consensus. Whats wrong with speculation? We all have different views on the world around us, why is that not interesting even if it does not fit in your own views?

I know it's 4chan and all, but do we really need these remarks on /sci/?

this fucking thread

I have been browsing /sci for almost a year now and this last few weeks is how low this can ever get

/sci/ - Racist pseudointellectuals & schizophrenic delusions

>>4849024

Yes we do. Do you even fucking see whats going on here? This thread is shit.I know this remark or even my post now don't really help but fuck me if this thread is not full of edgy teenagers and for that matter the worst kind. You know that one who thinks that they are not edgy fuckiwits but people 'with real depression'. Also samefaggers and pseudo-philosophers. Im out. Summer everywhere.
So mad.

That medicine may someday make me a real woman. It's the only reason I even get up in the morning.

>>4849018
>emotion has no effects so it doesn't exist

do you not see the fallacy(lack of evidence=/=evidence of lack)

i'm all for science making demonstrable conclusions on this subject-matter so could you please point me to where this 'scientific fact' has been shown comprehensively to be definitive(*)

nevermind that 'scientific facts' are just the leading opinions and have been for all time not trying to undermine the value of science but even practicing scientists espouse this you guys just want to be right

(*)as soon as you do i'll stop contesting this

>>4849018
>>4849018
>no emotion is fact
I'm gonna need a source on that one, Jim.

I want to live long enough to live forever.

>>4850592
As am I

I enjoy living far too much to ever want it to cease.

Drive drives me
pic related

Because I like to satisfy myself and that's better than not doing it subjectively to me.

Also, cool shit and feeling like I'm doing something.

Also, fashion and style makes me feel good about myself as much as math does. Well, less, but having a Rolex is dope.

You have no idea of how rare life could be, this is why i pity people who study all their lives something they dont like just to make 50 thousand more a year than others. That's not happiness, that's not fulfillment. I'm glad I recognized this young and I am able to live every day in fulfillment (apart from obligations required to live, like work and general ed)

I've recently had a bout with existential nihilism and haven't full come back. To be honest I no longer know what drives me, or why anyone should be driven...

Someone please convince me otherwise

>>4850840

1) getting a hot chill gf who will make fapping and posting on 4chan pointless
2) making money and appearing successful/fulfilled to get said pussy
3) money and benefits not a factor to me and I 100% take it for granted

My life is 50% a front for other people to see me as I would like to be viewed and 50% doing shit that genuinely makes me fulfilled and happy

My motivators at least...

>>4850840
You just have to let your visceral drives/emotions run the motor. This sometimes breaks down if you get depressed, but thinking too much is a symptom not cause. Try exercise, natural sunlight, natural sleep cycles, social interaction, cutting out pharmaceuticals first, see if your motivation comes back. If not, psychiatric meds might help. Depending on your brain chemistry, you might need SSRIs or stimulants. Stay away from antipsychotic/anti-bipolar meds (ie Risperdal, Lithium) they only slow down your mental acuity.

Honestly, though, you just need to enter your own self and remove the shit that is demotivating you, and let your body take control of your natural urges. Whichever way you like.

>>4850879
>>4850859

I have a girlfriend, exercise regularly, am in a fairly good standing in the social circles I inhabit, don't take meds (Though sometimes I think I should). Life is on my side, and yet. I can't help but fall back on that same feeling that existence doesn't actually exist. That all moments are happening on one point, and we're just stuck on this linear path, but it's an illusion. And therefor we're already dead

>>4848885
Looks like it worked didnt it?

>>4850893
Hell, then you are in Elysium already! Just realize it!

>>4850893

Yeah man I've had these thoughts too sometimes.

I don't believe in heaven/hell or anything but someone far crazier than I was convinced we were in hell as humans on earth. Made sense to me, there is a lot of suffering in this world. Some have physical suffering, while others have emotional and spiritual suffering. I've been trying to find the middle ground for a while now.

Nothing we can do in our lives actually "matters" on a universal or even geological scale. Sucks, but accept making small differences.