/sci/ - Science & Math

lol what a fag, I bet you haven't even read Richard Dawkins or studied the 50 dimensions of space and time. The TRUE intellectuals are people who have gotten >150 on an internet IQ test and understand all of brian greene's books.

>>4845775
i'd answer your question but i gotta run, i'm going to go take a picture of the front door at the laser lab here to make the internet think i work there

>standing outside a door saying 'employees only'

nice try, tourist

>implying I haven't worked (paid internship) in good 'ole Batavia, IL for six months each year for the past 3 years.


Cool beans buddy, drop the elitism.

>>4845786
thank goodness you're a tripfag so i know to ignore everything you post

>>4845775
>implying i'm not a tenure physics professor at stanford

And my desk/setup. Since I knew you guys wouldn't understand that no one is allowed in the front gate let alone to the buildings without a federally issued badge.

>>4845786

No problem, if you don't want real scientists to contribute here I'm sure I could find some place that would.

>>4845798
I don't like being ignored, though.
Please don't.

>>4845807
>apple

>>4845775
Implying I'm not currently at the IEEE International Symposium on Information Theory, in a building at the MIT, slacking after an intense week of conference talks, networking and eating awful lunches from our lunchbags.

what fucking scientist uses a mac

>>4845807
You almost had me until that mac. Macs are only for browsing websites and facebook stalking. 6/10 troll. Nice job

>>4845807
Nice setup brah,

I also work on a huge iMac. Pretty cool mang

>>4845887
Clearly that guys thinks that being a secretary at NASA means he's a scientist. He doesn't know that the scientists at NASA use real OSes and leave macs for the lower human beings.

>Atmospheric science

So what is that, like Geology? Weather report stuff?

Sounds kinda shitty and pretty low down the chain in terms of rocket science relevance

>>4845775
>>4845775
There are many pro scientists on sci, there's a neurologist, a practicing chemical engineer, a practicing structural engineer, a pair of theoretical physicists, an anthropologist, an organic chemist, and a nanotech dude

>>4845913
don't forget the sociologist

>>4845913
Do any of them use a trip?

>>4845913
Not to mention the physicist that works at the CMS experiment.

Also atmospheric sciences is pretty low on the hierarchy even if your comparing them to undergrads.

>>4845922
doubt it, because they aren't children

>>4845913
>there's a neurologist
Who's he? Does he use a trip?

>>4845922
yeah, but they keep changing their damn names so I can never keep track

>>4845932
>http://chanarchive.org/4chan/sci/39508/bridging-the-gap-between-statistical-physics-and-neurosci
ence

>>4845891

Lots of scientists use Macs, especially in my field and at NASA in general. They are more reliable and better for server side scripting. Plus, we don't rely on proprietary windows only software like most engineers do.

<<4845906

Atmospheric Science drives the demand for larger supercomputers. Plus, we use more Calculus, Physics and Dynamics than any other field I can think of.

I like to tell engineers that I'm an "atmospheric engineer".

Sorry to make people think I was trolling, I was just trying to introduce myself and clear up some confusion from previous threads.

>>4846209
>Calculus, Physics and Dynamics than any other field I can think of.

Really? As a condensed matter theorist who has seen what the atmospheric science people do, I find it kind of hard to believe.

>>4845955
>mfw this is what I'm researching

who is this guy and why haven't i seen him before?

Just what exactly was NASA trying to do in Thailand last month? I heard you guys were asking for permission to use an old military airport to conduct some weather experiments. But is there more to it than that?

>>4846234

It definitely depends on what you specialize in. Atmospheric Modelling like I do, we use Calc and Phys everyday. Lots of programming and database queries too.

Your field sounds pretty cool and difficult though. I don't know much about it, but yes obviously physicists use more physics than we do. AtmSci is a very collaborative field and that's one of the reasons I enjoy it so much.

Sorry for typos btw I'm on an iPhone.

>>4846272

I know one team that was supposed to goto Thailand next month was DISCOVER-AQ to do high res air quality sampling from a DC-8. Like you said, they're plans got screwed up.

They're doing lots of cool stuff though. I saw some prelim data they got in Kansas a few weeks ago above and around the CO wildfire smoke plume in T-storm conditions. Cool fucking stuff, IMO.

>>4845913
You forgot two people from CERN and the one math professor.

>pro

This is amazing.

Please stay and ignore the trolls.

>>4845807
At first I was skeptical, but TWO desktop monitors! You sir are as legit as they come.

>>4845807

oh gaaawd pliss dunt leavvvvve :(((
i...i liek yu rly much men!!

>>4846335
>>4846383

I was staying either way, it's too much fun here.

At least there are far less trolls on /sci/ then a lot of the other boards.

Consider me tuned in.

>>4846426
What's an average day at work for you like?

>>4845913

And electronic engineer, if that's even still considered /sci/ence

>>4846472

It thinks my reply is spam, wtf? In short, code, model validation, talk to other scientists, eat lunch and post on /sci/ haha

OP definetly not a faggot. Just be prepared for trolls, and ignore them.

I can see the reflection of your neckbeard

>>4846239
>who is this guy and why haven't i seen him before?
This, at least, I don't think I've seen him before. As a neurofag this makes me sad.

>>4846759

Thanks man! I'll catch ya around here. I'm just not experienced enough yet to weed out the trolls from the actual relies. I will learn. I spent a few days on /b/ just to rapidly learn the culture. Not for me.

Impact of Higgs in your field?

>>4846797

As far as I understand, none really.

From my understanding, the finding of the Higg's mostly has an impact on quantum and theoretical physics. Definitely astrophysics too.

I'm not saying there is no possibility once things calm down and the data gets analyzed and published, but on a day-to-day scale on earth alone, I don't see much of a connection.

I still think it's interesting as fuck though and I've wasted a lot of my free time this week reading up on it. Good question though, I'll keep thinking.

> There is a decent amount of good /sci/ence talk on here
You have not been lurking long enough, it seems.

Get yourself a trip if you plan on being awesome. Else you'll be regarded as a troll, always, even if you're completely correct. /sci/entists won't be able to tell for their lack of understanding in the area.

>>4846859

Not trying to troll or be a newfag but what does get a trip mean?

>>4846295
Just saw that and it did not compute.

Anyways, my field is the study of matter in the low energy limit with the general goals of creating better electronics, quantum computing and understanding just how the hell clumps of matter behave on a quantum mechanical level. My personal area of work, currently, is quantum Hall systems. I used to do some stuff with Josephson junctions, but that was a few years ago at this point.

What particular things are you working on [if it had been mentioned, I missed it and apologize]?

Also, I wish that I could afford supercomputer time; it would make my current project go much faster

>>4846894
http://www.4chan.org/faq#trip

Guys, what happened to Jozef? He was a pretty cool tripfag, knew his shit in math.

>>4846898

Thanks man!

>>4846897

Cool stuff. So that would fall in the more general field of nanotech? Astro/quantum physics are more of a hobbies of mine than areas of expertise.

I'm still pretty low on the totem pole at NASA. I'm doing radiative transfer model validation with ground stations as verification. I specialize in the interaction of aerosols with incoming direct normal irradiance (DNI). The radiative forcing from aerosols is opposite to that of greenhouse gases but has much less scientific understanding.

I don't have supercomputer access either btw :(
I just use their output lol

>>4845955
Are there any more informative chans like this one?

CMONN GUISE XDDDDDDDD

How easy it is for a dirty mexican to get accepted into something space-related in America?

Would you recommend me to go with NASA or wait and try to hop on a private company project?

>>4846947
To rephrase this, how hard is it to get a job in nasa or as an astronaut if you are a foreign citizen?

>>4846951

I'm pretty sure you need to be a US citizen to be a NASA astronaut. And yes NASA still has astronauts and hires them even though the space flight program was put on hold.

Honestly though? I'd go private sector, that's the wave of space exploration future. Or another country like Japan or Russia are pretty hot places for manned missions right now. Then we'll kick their ass in space travel AGAIN when we sail by their roman candle powered tubes in our newly designed spaceships on our way to be the first country to Mars too.

Good luck though, keep your options open and be persistant!

>>4846984
FUCK YEEAAHH!
GO MURICA!

Couldn't resist.

>>4846984
>>4846984
Yeah, I'm interested in mars and such, and private companies won't go there any time soon, at least not for the permanent colonization/terraforming attempts. NASA will jumpstart once it gets serious foreign competition though. Ammurika is still proud enough to spend billions in order to be the first on the mars.

>>4846984
Thanks. Kinda what I was expecting to hear. Time to make some space dosh.

>>4846788
>>4846239
>not ever having been in a thread with the glorious Godking of /sci/, CNS
ISHIGIDIGGUSMAXIMUS

>>4845775
Aww how cute, he thinks he's the only researcher on /sci/. New postdoc huh?

>>4847010
>implying we're not all world-renown scientists that just like to shitpost

>>4847017
lol, I'm not world renowned. I gave up research years ago. I'm now the most highly qualified cleaner on the planet. For the record /b/ actually single handedly destroyed my PhD, I spent the last 2 years of it lurking instead of doing my research. Only just started coming to /sci/ cos I'm sick of /b/.

What are your IDL problems? I've worked with SSW which does a lot of the solar data for a couple years. If it's low level stuff I can help.

>>4847056
I know that feel. I'm getting rid of my computer here in two weeks. I can't let the Internet kill my dreams.

>>4847056

Lol'ed. That sucks about your PhD though. I can def see how that would happen. This site murders productivity. Too many like minded people in one place I guess.

>>4847066

Thanks for asking. I won't be near my work comp till next thursday but the problem that I was left with today was comparing two dates (YYYYMMDD stored as type Float) in a file that is 19,000,000 lines long and only has 365 unique days. For some reason, when I tried to loop through the dates and count unique days I was getting 193 instead of 366 (2004, leap year). Prob something stupid I didn't notice. Frustrating as shit though.

Also, if anyone has any good histogram or probability distribution function scripts for IDL, I'd love to trade some code w you.

Solar mapping with SSW? Nice man, I thought I might find someone in my field here!

OP what's your opinion on asteroid mining?

Lol sci fags

>>4847141
Yeah, it's the problems you can't see that are the sole destroying ones. I don't know if regular IDL has it but SSW has functions like anytim and atime (if they aren't included in IDL the scripts will be on the web the documentation is very good) which let you convert between date formats. I always find it best to store dates as a properly formatted date (be it a string or Julian time). If I ever can't find a problem, I change tactics.
Sorry I don't know of a decent histogram script, never really needed one.

>>4847160

Awesome question!

I wish I was better qualified to answer. I know some of the engineers/aero guys working on a huge inflatable "drop pod" (sic) that would be an extremely efficient way to transport huge quantities of material from orbital heights to the ground.

Also, judging by the concentration of precious metals found in past asteroid samples, it is not only a good idea, but something our society needs to execute if we want to sustain our consumerism and rate of population for another few centuries.

>Do I have this trip thing right now?

>>4847163

Yeah fuck it, I'm going to convert it to a different date format. Good call. I think the huge amount of memory and large numbers (ex 20040101 as float) were messing up IDL's memory allocation or some shit. I was reading something about IDL acting weird with large #s. The IDL Coyote guy is an amazing resource!

>>4845775
>implying I don't work at CERN
>implying we didn't just discover the HIGGS
>implying it isn't the most important discovery in the last 50 years

SUCK IT!!!

So why NASA over somewhere else? Was it difficult to get in? Do you think it was worth doing NASA over other options?

>nasa
>pro scientist

>>4847202

Hell yeah, man!

If I'm a pro, you're a God. Props to the LHC and CERN, you guys rock!

Any info on Higg's publications with the data? They'll take some time to come now right?

>>4846926
>So that would fall in the more general field of nanotech?

Not really nanotech. Condensed matter includes a lot of the nanotech stuff I can think of off the top of my head, but it also includes things like superfluidity, superconductivity, and just trying to figure out how a generic chunk of matter looks quantum mechanically. Quantum Hall systems, for example, are generally fabricated on the micron scale and are composed of semiconductors and is considered part of just general semiconductor physics. Condensed matter physics is really a giant catchall that uses a lot of similar methodologies to study a very wide range of phenomena and systems.

>I'm still pretty low on the totem pole at NASA. I'm doing radiative transfer model validation with ground stations as verification. I specialize in the interaction of aerosols with incoming direct normal irradiance (DNI). The radiative forcing from aerosols is opposite to that of greenhouse gases but has much less scientific understanding.

Could you explain a bit? For example, what is radiative forcing and how do aerosols do it?

>>4847202
While it is an interesting discovery, I would think that calling it the greatest discovery in the last 50 years a bit of a stretch. In that time we have discovered entirely unexpected states of matter while the Higgs was expected from theory.

> There is a decent amount of good /sci/ence talk on here

Troll detected

>>4847202
Are you Physics Guy?

Please come back

;_;

>>4845786
how did you manage that? i've been trying to get internships all summer and didn't receive a single call back.

>>4847239
Hard work, networking, and good grade.
Just have to be persistent man.

>>4847215
Thanks.

Publication should happen around the end of July.

FYI:
The Press Conference held after the 4 July Higgs update seminar at CERN - Photos available here: http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1459505- Recording of event available here: http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1459604

CERN Higgs update seminar 4 July 2012. Photos available here: http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1459503 - Recording of event available here: http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1459565

>>4847239
A shit-ton of hard work, extensive networking, and good grades.

Just need to stay persistent man.

>>4847234
>Are you Physics Guy?

Yep.
I am pretty busy. I will probably post more once summer is over

>>4847252
too late for that now, come fall i'm starting my senior year.

>>4847214

Thanks for the explanation.

Aerosols (particles in the atmosphere) on average reflect shortwave radiation back to space before it reaches the ground (thus cooling the atmosphere, i.e. negative radiative forcing). GHGs exert a positive radiative forcing on the atmosphere as we all know (global warming) on the order of +2 W/m^2 at fairly high confidence. The number for aerosol radiative forcing is crucial to better understanding climate change, and the 90% C.I. best guesses currently range from -.5 to -1.5 (IPCC, 2007).

>>4847206

If NASA offers you a job in my field, you say yes and do what they ask you to do. I couldn't be happier with where I'm at in my career. I know not everyone has such easy decisions in regards to job selection, but this has been my dream for many years man!

>>4847246

Wow this board fucking rocks! Thanks for the info/links.

*+3 W/m^2 for GHG forcing, I was getting ahead of myself and slipped out the total radiative forcing for (GHG + aerosols) i.e. 2 W/m^2

I wanted to do atmospheric science since high school. Floated by in engineering for undergrad with a 2.8 gpa for several shitty reasons. Applied to grad school and obviously didnt get in anywhere. Miraculously landed a job with a decent engineering firm but I my true interests are still in the atmosphere. I heard employment sucks for atmospheric scientists right now. What do you think, stick with engineering or try to go back to grad school once I get a few years of experience and good recommendations under my belt?

I never liked IDL.

>>4847308
This guy again. I actually took two semester of graduate atmospheric dynamics and loved it even though my teacher said I was crazy for wanting to take the second semester if I didnt have to.

>>4847308

Tough call man. You have a lot of the b/g needed to thrive in Atm. Sci. Math is what kills most people. Physics will kill the rest. You should float right by those requirements or already have the credit.

The job market is bad for meteorologists, there are just too many brodudeguys who got a met degree from Fag University and want to be on TV. If you are confident you are better than them (I don't know you and I think it's a pretty good chance) then you will blow them out of the water in the job market and you are left with the actual scientists for which there are plenty (and increasing) job opportunities. The renewable energy market is HUGE for us atmosfags and the next few decades. Get it now!

>>4847312

inb4 MATLAB > IDL
I know...

>>4847332
Tell me more about job opportunities with somebody who has an atmospheric science degree. Also where did you go to school?

>>4847319

You liked atmospheric dynamics? Lol. You are crazy. (Engineers, this = fluid dynamics) yes, the atmosphere is a fluid!

I had to TA for senior level Dynamics 1 in grad school. It was my first year out of undergrad and I had 3 grad classes on top of that and I nearly worked myself to death trying to help all the underfags with their hw and studying.

Dear NASA guy,

Are there any jobs for anthropology majors there (any type really pref. bio anth)? I know it's a long shot butworking for NASA would be cool.


Do you have a bioastronomy department? That's what I'm planning my masters/doctorate in?

Thanks for your time

>>4847336

I majored in met in underfag then went atm sci through grad school. I found them to be pretty much synonymous in academia. Atm sci has more options and diversity though for sure.

I haven't checked jobs much to be honest though, I did see some "top 10 best starting salaries" list someone posted on failbook a few days ago that had atmospheric scientists at 8/10 with avg. starting salaries at $60-70K range.

The field is only going to blow up more with all the renewable energy companies that will need accurate forecasts/analyses for resource assessment and bankability reports (see Europe).

I can't imagine any qualified atm sci is struggling to find work right now...

>>4847348

No, not at the NASA Langley Aerospace Research Center at least.

I'm sure that field will gain respect and significance once Mars stuff starts happening though.

Checkout: NASA Ames Research Center and email some people.

Like this guy:

David DesMarais at the NASA Ames Research Center is a participating scientist with the Mars Exploration Rover, Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and Mars Science Laboratory missions and a NASA Astrobiology Institute research team leader.

Email
David.J.DesMarais@nasa.gov

>Yea you all wish you had a nasa email address too

goddamn op i am jelly, do you have an anon email? also, what were your grades like, where did you study, how were interviews etc.?

>>4847367
Thanks

What about Physical or cognitive anthropology?
I know that seems unlikely though

>dat paintbrush

or

>dat irrelevant random non scientist worker at nasa (garbage collector much)

or, even,

>dat technician on nasa which actually doesn't have any profound knowledge on anything.

>>4847350
what's the difference between meterology and atmospheric science programs

>>4847384
nasa employ a lot of people and OP is demonstrating knowledge itt that isn't copypasted.

>>4847369
Undergrad: 3.65
Grad (doesn't matter really) but 3.8

Two state schools in the Northeast USA. Nothing too special as schools, great atmos programs though.

Sure man, anon email: corrupt.institution@gmail.com

>>4847380

Doubt it. Unless you are top in the field and they needed you for consulting work or something.

>>4847393

Meteorology is generally more focused on weather forecasting and broadcasting. I realized I hated that shit and that our scientific knowledge is AHEAD of our super computers capabilities so it is a waste of time to spend your life in Wx forecasting IMHO.

Atm Sci has a more general range of topics and is definitely the way to go these days!

>>4847396

Thanks

if you were held at gun point and told you have to study either astrophysics or astronomy, and when you graduate you have to work for NASA, which would you pick and why?

>>4847396
that's alternative number 3.

You're no particularly special OP. We used to have a guy from CERN here. He left after realizing what a shithole this board had become.

>>4847456
and that assuming he is actually answering something .. I don't have patience to read this kind of thing, I'd rather discuss bizarre situations in a undergraduate level with anons than chat with a (possible) scientist who very likely wont be able to answer any really interesting question(thats a rule, I believe anyone here had the displeasure of discovering that the vast majority of professors usually have little knowledge oustide some very specific area they work on ).

>>4847461
That guy was fake. Maybe its the same guy here. Also, maybe its you.

nice to have you here.
Just, please don't start tripfagging.

>>4847461

You mean this guy (Physics Guy) ???

>>4847246
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>>4847469

69 got. That's fine that we all have different reasons for coming to /sci/ and it is what makes this such a unique yet sometimes frustrating place to kill time and talk to others in the science discipline.

Everything I've said is fact. I gave info that no one else could possibly know higher up about the Thailand DISCOVER-AQ project and could give more details about the data I saw from 2 weeks ago during the CO wildfires. Ask away dude, yet I agree with your professors having strangely specific areas of intellect.

>Those who can't do...teach.

>>4847482

What's the problem with it?

Someone told me I should do it for password security, what's the real reason for it?

>I'm a scientist I suck at reading directions (FAQ)

>>4847509
Not the anon that said that, but generally on this board, you'll find a lot of the tripfags are shitposters and don't have a good reputation (some to watch out for: EK, blackman, IQ fundie, etc.)

On an unrelated note, do you think getting a job at NASA would be feasible with knowledge and a degree in materials science and engineering? Is NASA focusing on new materials currently? Thanks in advance.

>>4847461
I am still around every now and then. I have just been pretty busy. Sciencing takes alot of time, then I have to balance that with gf, family and friends, and I have very little time for 4chan.

Also, this place kinda has turned to shit....

>>4847626

I deleted the question because I google searched it and found a wiki about all the famous tripfags of 4chan and how their shame is now immortalized.

Thanks for some info specific to /sci/ though.

NASA is always in need of materials scientists, and now is a great time to start looking into applying or building up your resume at least. Sounds like you have some experience (degree?) already though. With the current focus on the complete redesign of the space shuttle concept, I would say materials research is high priority at several NASA centers. Clearly I don't know many details though. I know there are microgravity labs for space materials research, which is sweet.


Almost time for this nasafag to take his "medicine" and goto bed...on vacation at our beach house in DE, just got here a couple hrs ago. FUCKYEAH.

>>4847668
Thanks for answering our questions. Goodnight and welcome to /sci/.

>>4845892
>>4845891
To be fair, now that Mac is basic -nix, I don't know how to feel about them. Well, offhand they're stupidly overpriced, but at least they're not as evil as they once were.

>>4847677

Anytime man.

Peace and goodnight to /sci/ too, thanks for the warm welcome.

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