/sci/ - Science & Math

NOT WITH THAT ATTITUDE WE WON'T

>>4843266

Best post on /sci/

ever.

>This most recent discovery of the mass particle pretty much proved what I have long suspected: that matter is infinitely divisible and infinitely complex.
Uh, no it doesn't. At all.

>>4843289

Any why not?

You arrogantly assume that human perception defines the absolute limits of scale?

How childish.

>>4843302
No. He's probably pointing out you're retarded for deriving more complexity from the new results. If anything it helps validate the standard model.

>>4843302

That may be true, but this discovery dosen't show that.

>implying your suspicions are well-founded and inane at best

Even if the nature of nature is beyond comprehension, we will still take awe in that.

>implying your suspicions are well-founded and are inane at best

If the nature of nature really is beyond comprehension, we will still take awe, even in that.

>>4843352

No, you will perish in ignorance, like even the most simple protozoan organism.

>>4843360
>ignorance
Yeah nah
Like any rational person I'll do whatever it takes to not be ignorant of fact.
It's just a matter of determining what's fact.

>>4843302

Good point, I can see how this discovery will bring many extremely complex and (currently) computationally impossible questions to the table.

You can't deny the possibility that we are lucky enough to be alive to witness the discovery of the smallest scale of particle to make up an atom. It is naive to assume that for sure though.

As a NASA scientist, I am still very excited by the funding and attention this will bring to astrophysics and contribute to the fundamental understanding of of the Universe.

>>4843413
As the president of the US, I agree completely.

You know how Biologists classify everything in terms of "species", and yet there's slight variance in the genetic code of each member?

Elementary Particles are the same. They have a "genetic" code that causes them to behave and interact in certain ways, and it relates directly to their frequency.

In the most literal sense, particles have been evolving over time. They've been competing with one another in a quantum version of natural selection. And particles with mass are predatory. Either they assimilate the surrounding particles, or they imbue them with their own qualities to create atoms and molecules.

>>4843447
matter totally kicked the shit out of antimatter in the early universe

>>4843413

as a particle the size of your universe I complete

>>4843413

>As a NASA scientist

>>4843525
<happy

>>4843428

Thanks for your support, Mr. President! You've been good to science in the USA and you've got my vote again!

>>4843510

Doesn't even make sense; try harder.

>>4843413
As the skeptic of an internationally funded project that was in severe danger of being shutdown unless results were produced, I'm calling complete bullshit.

Everyone knew that we would never even come close to utilizing the proposed particles, nor would we be able to make realistic calculations from the data.

It's huge game of smoke and mirrors.

>>4843535

Not everything is a conspiracy like the skeptics and politics on the other side of the research always seem to think.

CERN's LHC is one of the best funded and most respected research projects in the world. The probability of measuring the short lifespan of a Higgs Boson was very low, and it took a long time to analyze the data from past collisions.

Where did you see anything about the LHC being shutdown? Fermilab of the USA was on the brink of the same discovery. It's scary for some people to admit to the implications of the results, but it's all very real. History in the making.


>>4843525

It's the truth, I'm in my mid 20's and work at a NASA research center on the east coast as a researcher.

We use the internet too, you know. In fact, I spend an average of 12 hours a day at a computer. Coding, shell scripting, making plots in IDL, MATALB, etc.

Sorry if this may be a stupid questian, but what knowledge have we gained through this discovery.

I only hear people saying we have found it but I dont get what we have found.

>>4843592
The answer to the question "why is there something rather than nothing"

>>4843603
what's that answer?

>>4843372
>>4843372
>>4843372
Oh so that's what you'll do, you'll just *stop* living in ignorance! What a brilliant solution!

Gag yourself with a mortar, you fucking charlatan.

>>4843413

>As a NASA scientist

OP here, let's get one thing out of the way here first before we proceed...

Why does NASA conceal the extra-terrestrial presence? And why has NASA become so militarized over the last 2 decades?

>>4843621
It validates the standard model which describes how the Higgs field gives mass to elementary particles

>>4843603
also awaiting an answer to that question.

I don't think the Higgs Boson explains why there is something rather than nothing.

>>4843640
That doesn't explain WHY there is something rather than nothing.

It explains HOW, though.

>>4843592
>>4843636

Finding the Higgs = finding why things have mass and being able to more accurately calculate mass.

Maybe if we can find out why things have mass, we can figure out how to turn it off. Or how to reduce it artificially. Or it will just be cool knowing why.

>>4843632

Hey OP, nasafag here.

Although these two questions fall well beyond my research area and pay-grade, I think I can shed some light.

NASA doesn't attempt to conceal extraterrestrial life, there are 1000's of scientists every day dedicating their lives to finding habitable planets and proof that there is another planet within our observable range that could sustain liquid water or any precursor to life as we know it.

Our next Mar's rover/mission will be much more effective at taking samples below the surface, and I think we are within 1-2 decades of finding "life" in the form of micro-organisms or fossils in our solar system.

The militarization of NASA recently is also an interesting question. It is directly related to Obama's administration and the increased funding we have received from them. It is smart IMO to combine military and scientific goals in some cases, as it is more cost effective and kills 2 birds with one stone in a sense. It is not that NASA's goals are changing, just the source of money and collaboration with other gov't data seekers.

>>4843647

They're still working on WHY it all happened, but knowing HOW is an essential first step. Big Bang>Random Events>Me sitting here typing this, and yes I can prove that's the correct sequence of events.

>>4843688
>turning off mass
WHY would you do this?

>>4843740

For science.

>before our species goes extinct

lol

>>4843726
Prove that's the correct sequence, NASAFAG.

>>4843784

By citing scientists much more tuned into the quantum physics field than I...

"Why did it bang? The big-bang theory says nothing about how and why it banged in the first place.

To put it another way, what was the match that set off the initial cosmic explosion? What put the "bang" in the Big Bang? In quantum physics, it was a Higgs-like particle that sparked the cosmic explosion. In other words, everything we see around us, including galaxies, stars, planets and us, owes its existence to the Higgs boson.

The Higgs boson also answers another profound physical question. Why is the universe so unsymmetrical and broken? When you calculate the masses of the subatomic particles like the electron, proton, neutrino or neutron, at first they seem almost random, displaying no rhyme or reason at all.

The latest thinking is that, just before the Big Bang, the universe was very tiny but also perfectly symmetrical. All the masses of the particles were the same, i.e. zero. But the presence of Higgs-like particles shattered this perfect symmetry. Once the symmetry was broken, the particles were free to assume the various masses we see today.

With the discovery of the Higgs boson, a whole new chapter in physics opens up. CERN's collider could lead to the discovery of unseen dimensions, parallel universes, and possibly the "strings" in string theory (in which the Standard Model is just the lowest vibrating octave). In other words, the discovery of the Higgs is but the first step toward a much grander Theory of Everything."

Mr. Kaku, a professor of theoretical physics at CUNY, is author of "Physics of the Future: How Science Will Shape Human Destiny and Our Daily Lives by 2100" (Doubleday, 2011).

tl;dr Big Bang Theory = Big Bang Law?

>>4843726

That's what I would expect to read on a NASA press release; you deflect away from the more pertinent questions of controlled objects caught on NASA orbital cameras and human abductions.

Of course being young, you are pretty low on the pecking order and with proprietary knowledge of such sensitivity being extremely compartmentalized, I was at least hoping for a little more insight than a dry organizational mission statement that you gave us.

>>4843844

I did my best to answer with what I know about current/future research projects and proposals. You're right, I work in earth science, so the 1 hPa pressure surface is the closest to space I ever get in my research.

I think just the fact that NASA and the military are going in on huge projects and remote sensing missions together is a pretty damn good indicator that they want us for our brains and problem solving ability and we want them for their massive budget.

>>4843859

Earth science you say? Geology here.

>>4843881

Nice bro. Atmospheric Science here, specialize in radiative transfer. Go solar!

Always been interested in geology though and somewhat tuned into the field. ArcGIS is always a good time.

This most recent discovery of this troll post pretty much proved what I have long suspected: that /sci/ is infinitely trollable and infinitely butthurt.

We will never collectively posses the knowledge of all of the trolls that govern 4chan before our board goes extinct...

We will never have the intellectual capacity to process and comprehend the increasingly complex and minute summerfags components

How depressing...

>>4843740

Because fuck relativity. Lightspeed here we go.

Hey guys found the particle that carries energy, can we turn off energy?

>>4843934
to be honest I've been waiting for someone to make a troll science image about dodging higgs bosons in order to travel at lightspeed.

I don't think my art skills are even good enough to make a troll science image though so I haven't tried.

>>4843260
:)

>>4843930

Except we aren't /b/tards here and it's easy as fuck to tell when someone is a troll i.e. no contribution to scientific discussion.

>>4843945
Challenge ACCEPTED!

>>4843289
Which particles do we know in science that cant be cut down into pieces?

>>4843968

Fermions (ex. quarks and leptons) and bosons (ex. photons, gluons, Higg's) cannot be broken down further in the standard model of particle physics.

Who knows, though...

>>4843826
Does anyone have the SOURCE to the FULL ARTICLE?