/sci/ - Science & Math

Kinda.

If your body gets used to being fat as its default state (takes a few years of being fat), losing weight will trick your body into thinking its starving. If you have a lot of willpower you can lose weight in the short term, but your body is always gonna be trying to put weight back on. You will always feel hungry, you'll have to exercise more for less benefit than someone who's always been thin (and you'll get less endorphins from it so the exercise will feel far harder), you'll have to eat healthier than them and your body will fight you every step of the way, because it thinks it's about to drop dead of starvation.

Basically, if you've been fat for more than five years, there's a 99% probability you're gonna die fat.

>>4841397
>Basically, if you've been fat for more than five years, there's a 99% probability you're gonna die fat.

Oh fuck you. Why the hell did you have to tell me that?

>>4841405
Prove him wrong, tubby.

>>4841397
not quite.
there is some superficial truth to what you say, but its possible to overcome rapid weight gain.

the simple answer is an addict will always be an addict in some form.

people who go off a heroin addiction will be extremely likey to move onto a caffine addiction, or a sugar addiction.
a recovering gambling addict may become a devout christian, and that religious zeal would be indistinguishable in practice from simply pursuing another addiction, course, the term people use is "passion" for these kinda things.
all thats needed is an alternative.

however, there is no alternative to food. It's a necessity.
Eg if you were trying to beat a heroin addiction, but you as necessity had to have a bit of heroin every day or you'd die, i'd be pretty fucking hard to beat the addiction.

the other side to the story is that people just suck, go on a diet for a week and complain that it doesnt work.

>>4841397
Delicious broscience.

Basically what happens are someone does a diet, is they are now skinny and believe they can be skinny and eat whatever they want.
This leads to a general calorie surplus.
This leads to them gaining fat over time and becoming unhealthy again.

Sounds like the best you can hope for is to figure out your peak weight and try to keep from ever going above that. Damage control.

>>4841397
>mfw fatties actually believe this

>>4841420
>Basically what happens are someone does a diet, is they are now skinny and believe they can be skinny and eat whatever they want.

That's not actually what happens.

Seriously, you think formerly fat people don't hate the shit out of themselves every time they overeat? They're aware they are getting fat again, but they don't have a strong enough will to fight their body, which is screaming "YOU ARE STARVING TO DEATH, EAT RIGHT NOW! EAT OR YOU WILL FUCKING DIE ASSHOLE!" all day, every day.

We did not evolve to be able to cope with an over-abundance of food. Your body has no mechanism that can tell the difference between healthy and unhealthy weight loss - as far as it can tell, you are trying to kill yourself in an extremely drawn-out and painful fashion. People who lose a lot of weight will put it back on 99% of the time, because you just can't fight biology.

>>4841362

you can into stomach staple
that shit works, bypass that failed-willpower

>>4841441
>mfw fatties actually believe this

They believe it because it's medical fact. Look, here's a link from that article that breaks it down simply:

>http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/magazine/tara-parker-pope-fat-trap.html

If you care about the science, there's a couple of journal articles linked as well.

>cracked
>cites research more than 10 years old
>says its incurrable

MFW

>>4841448
That shit only happens if you go on some stupid ass shit diet and lose 5000 pounds in 2 months. If you just start gradually eating less your metabolism adapts, fatty.

Really I just got used to the feeling of being hungry and barely eat what I used to.

>>4841456
>nytimes
>article by fat american woman
Give me a break. Do some actual fucking research you idiot. If you starve yourself to lose weight, yes your body will want to regain all that it had. If you gradually reduce your intake over a long period of time your body adapts to it.

>>4841470
>If you gradually reduce your intake over a long period of time your body adapts to it.

That's the conventional wisdom, but recent research has shown that it isn't true; if you've been fat for a few years, you will be fat permanently. Losing weight just guarantees you'll put it back on later.

I lost 50lbs and kept it off.

Also, did you know many fat people don't feel hunger? they equate the feeling of not being full as being hungry.

Interesting:

>Anyone who has lost 30 pounds and kept it off for at least a year is eligible to join the study, though the average member has lost 70 pounds and remained at that weight for six years...But their eating and exercise habits appear to reflect what researchers find in the lab: to lose weight and keep it off, a person must eat fewer calories and exercise far more than a person who maintains the same weight naturally. Registry members exercise about an hour or more each day — the average weight-loser puts in the equivalent of a four-mile daily walk, seven days a week. They get on a scale every day in order to keep their weight within a narrow range. They eat breakfast regularly. Most watch less than half as much television as the overall population. They eat the same foods and in the same patterns consistently each day and don’t “cheat” on weekends or holidays. They also appear to eat less than most people, with estimates ranging from 50 to 300 fewer daily calories.

If this is right, then being fat permanently alters your brain chemistry. To stay thin after having been fat, you need to exercise more and eat less than a thin person who has never been fat.

>>4841456
after reading the article and the journal articles i'll just point out a few things.

1. some of the journals were limited to specifc people with specific genetic markers, this cant be applied universally.
in the same way you cant apply the fact that black people have higher risk heart disease than white people. but NYtimes doesnt care about that, i guess.

2. less than 5 minutes on pubmed and google scholar told me that a) the idea of your body suddenly going into panic and gaining fat is a disputed notion. b) does not appear to apply to the majority of obese people and c) contradicts the use of stomach restriction surgery and other medical interventions besides dieting which have been shown to keep weight off without interfacing with any hormonal or psychological aspect of the human body (Which is necessary for the body starvation theory).

long story short, it might be true for a few people with certain genetic markers. but for most fat people its just an excuse.

OP is correct.

Whatever the reasons, whatever the science, people very rarely stay thin if they were fat before and dieted.

>>4841476
Do you know why it's conventional wisdom? Because it's been proven time and time again, much to the dismay of fat people always looking for an excuse. No amount of pro-fat propaganda is going to change that.

Hell, I used to be fat. Just gradually started eating like a normal human being and I've been at a healthy weight ever since.

My brother was like 200 pounds overweight and he lost it all.

He has kept it off for over 5 years now.

That is bullshit.

Fatties need to fix their lifestyle.

Wasn't there a study that showed that fat people were brain damaged or something like that?

>>4841362
Even if everything you people say is true and the causation factors are actually what you're implying they are ("evolutionary biology, lol") there's still no use at all in actually saying what you're saying.

It won't result in any operational knowledge what so ever. I don't mean that those types of research are useless, I'm saying that they are useless to you personally. Stop reading cracked, stop reading the ny times. I'm pretty sure they're trying to kill us.

>>4841397
Wouldn't this work in reverse? You stay 5 years thin, the body starts to think it's its default state.

The only way this can be possible OP,

is if becoming fat in the first place CAUSES you to get this fatness disorder. It cannot be ONLY genetic.

>>4841518
>body
>think

my word

>>4841489
No shit?

a person who bulks up easily (muscle mass gain) wont need to work out as much as someone who is non-muscular naturally.

>If this is right, then being fat permanently alters your brain chemistry.

huge leap in logic there mahboi.
the predisposition to obesity was there to begin with in most cases.

think of it this way, (using a similar example as what i mentioned above)

theres two average guys, one is predisposed to gaining muscles (Mr A), the other one not (Mr B).
over time, Mr A will be bigger or stronger than B.
Mr B decides to bulk up, but finds he needs to eat more, spend more time and effort and generally invest far more into getting muscle than mr A.

it would be premature and incorrect for him to conclude "Being skinny for so long permanently altered my brain chemistry so that I would stay skinny and not gain muscle"

As liberating as it would be for you to be able to lay the blame on some uncontrollable aspect of your brain, if its not true you're only hurting yourself, aswell as anyone else who believes what you then tell them.

Just saying.

>>4841523
Nononono it's my brains fault, not all the cheetos and soft drink I consume, stop ignoring science you pleb.

>>4841518
>Wouldn't this work in reverse? You stay 5 years thin, the body starts to think it's its default state.

Just from that article:

> How long this state lasts isn’t known, but preliminary research at Columbia suggests that for as many as six years after weight loss, the body continues to defend the old, higher weight by burning off far fewer calories than would be expected. The problem could persist indefinitely. (The same phenomenon occurs when a thin person tries to drop about 10 percent of his or her body weight — the body defends the higher weight.) This doesn’t mean it’s impossible to lose weight and keep it off; it just means it’s really, really difficult.

>>4841523
>As liberating as it would be for you to be able to lay the blame on some uncontrollable aspect of your brain, if its not true you're only hurting yourself

I'm not actually fat.

Well, OK; I'm what /fit/ calls skinnyfat: within the healthy weight range for my height, but with zero muscle tone.

Hey guys, you know something crazy? If you don't eat, you don't get fat! True story, if you're fat you should try it.

>>4841538
So a large friend of mine refuses to give up soda because "water doesn't quench my thirst. I just keep drinking it and drinking it, I need something with flavor."

Then when trying to help him with his in between meal cravings I tried to get him to switch to raw fruit snacks. Eat all the apples you want I told him, most people can only eat 2 apples before they get full. "Oh no, I can eat 30 apples in a sitting, it wouldn't work and would be too expensive."


The thing is, his over eating of healthier options excuse has never been verified. He refuses to even try, and I am tired of calling bullshit.

>ITT: /sci/ ignores science it doesn't like.

Wait, did I say ITT? that happens in EVERY FUCKING THREAD.

>>4841544
>muscle tone
Dohoho, oh you've been on /fit/ alright. Don't listen to anything you hear on /fit/. It's been a steaming pile of shit for a long time now.

>>4841547
as someone researching in the field of addiction (ish).

that is one of the dumbest ideas ever.

quitting cold turkey (ie going from high intake of food to fasting) is reserved for men and women with hearts of steel and souls of flame.
and retards. gigantic retards.

>>4841362
>Let's get this straight: The number of people who go from fat to thin, and stay there, statistically rounds down to zero.
Not zero, but pretty low.
I have read that the % of people who lose 25% of their weight (or more) and keep it off at least 10 years is in the single digits. The success rate of dieting and exercise for permanent weight loss is so low that medically it is not even considered a "solution", doctors just tell you to do it because they don't know what else to say.

>Let's get this straight: The number of people who go from fat to thin, and stay there, statistically rounds down to zero.
the Rockefeller prisoner studies were some of the first to find that you tend to have a 'natural' weight. Other studies have found that it goes up as you age, until you near death, when it falls down.

Also there's been lots of studies done of identical twins, and its been shown they usually end up with very nearly identical weights--even if they are adopted out separately and have no knowledge of each other at all.

>>4841547

>everyone must starve to death

k

anyway of course it's hard to lose being fat, in the first place, evolution says you want to be fat. Fat from the perspective of biological impulse means your body believes you are a successful hunter, without need or hunger. Being thin means you're not eating as much as you can be, and risk gaining a deficiency in energy.


The problem really isn't being fat, it's being sedentary. You can be fat, and if you're energetic and it's actually extremely healthy. Being lazy only results in heart diseases as your veins get clogged and your over intake stresses your body to its limits, without your muscles and immune systems being trained for it.

>>4841547
Truth hertz (if you had said that out loud)

>people know fuckall about diets and exercise
>people are generally aversive to exercise, which is worsened by ignorance on how to practice it
>market sells many overpriced and unnefective weight loss aids causing failure to drop weight and thus loss of motivation
>most people out there are vastly demotivated and lazy
>fat acceptance movements reduce the will to be fit because it's okay to be a failure
>fast food, fast food errywhere
>healthy food is very expensive

As it is there is far more incentive in the short term to stay fat than be fit. Being fit is something that takes work, motivation and dedication, three things that are severely lacking in today's society. Also, being fit is a long term goal that requires maintenance, and most people get tired just from reading this.

Fat is curable, is a disease and as our society stands, it will only get worse.

>>4841567
Well you can't deny it works. All those people who say "hey I'm fat but I can't do anything about it, it's because of my metabolism", please let me laugh. If you eat very little you won't get fat, there's a nice universal principle called conservation of energy.

>>4841568
>doctors just tell you to do it because they don't know what else to say.

not true.
being thin for 10 years and fat for 40 is still far better than being fat for 50 years. (assuming the magnitude of obesity is the same)

doctors cant keep you alive and healthy forever, but they try the best to get you the next best thing, health until you body goes past the point of no return

>>4841577

>I can't be bothered to read anything on the actual subject matter but I'm pretty sure I'm smarter than anyone who's actually done research!

this is what you sound like

>>4841569
This is not good science. It goes against the well understood, well documented, established understanding of the human body, and has little to no hard evidence. It's mostly just fat people being fat people.

>>4841589

>It goes against the well understood, well documented, established understanding of the human body

>well documented

Well then, you should have no problems citing your sources.

>>4841567 cold turkey is bad
how should i be quiting smoking then?
>>4841569 ignoring science
not ignoring the science, disagreeing with the conclusion.

>>4841575
>You can be fat, and if you're energetic and it's actually extremely healthy.
If you're keeping up a healthy lifestyle with lots of exercise, you're not going to stay fat.

>>4841587
except what he's saying is more true than what the article OP linked.

kinda sad actually

>>4841582

You will also suffer for it as your body screams at you to eat. Hunger and thirst are the second most powerful impulse in the human mind, second only to the need for sleep (you will pass out before you die, willpower be damned, unless you have some drug to keep you going artificially). You can't just ignore it, and most people don't have the willpower or dedication to simply keep fasting.

>>4841589
>This is not good science. It goes against the well understood, well documented, established understanding of the human body

No, it goes against conventional wisdom. The science is pretty clear, though. Once you've been fat for a few years, it's ridiculously hard to be thin; you have to eat on average 300 calories less than a naturally thin person, and you have to exercise about an hour a day more.

People don't wanna believe that though, they want to believe that fat people are lazy and greedy.

>>4841610
>fat people are lazy and greedy

THAT'S WHY THEY GOT FAT IN THE FIRST PLACE

>>4841594
Nicotine patches/gums/etc, sex, have a kid, buy a pet (terrestrial), move to a new country with low-medium urban density, drink a lot less, drink a lot more, go into a coma, die, fall in love with someone who hates smoking, your idol/inspirational person speaks out against smoking, going bankrupt, psychological therapy, yoga and meditation, martial arts, and/or coffee addiction.

all these things have been shown statistically to improve the ability (ie success rate) to quit smoking and decrease occurences of relapse.

(protip: 2 of the things on the list i added are bs, probably wont help you quit smoking from what i know)

>>4841618
I have coffee addiction man. Smoking and drinking coffee go hand in hand.

>>4841610 have to eat 300 calories less.
no. That is not what the research showed. The study subjects on average at 50-300 calories less, to maintain their weight within a narrow range. This is a ritualistic solution to addiction. Or a ritualistic part of a addiction.

Also not that this was an estimate. because none former fatties had a larger weight range, and a drastically changing diet day to day. They could not accurately determine the difference in caloric intake.

Also the human body metabolizes different foods differently. Which results in different amounts of wasted energy.

>>4841610
Two way street.

you want to believe the conventional wisdom is wrong and that science runs contrary to this wisdom.
You also want to believe that fat people are the underdogs and have an unfair disadvantage.

PROTIP: what you say about "fat memory" or whatever applies to a small minority of people. studies get exaggerated and universalised when reported on the news.

>>4841599

Yes you sure as hell can. Fatness is an input/output. No matter how high your output is, if your input is higher, you will be fat.

>>4841601
>implying paragon buddist monks dont ritualistically suicide by self-imposed fasting.

nigga, full retard, etc

>>4841635

Most people aren't dedicated buddhist monks.

>>4841601
Then don't stay people can't stop being fat. They can, they just don't have the will.

Holy shit you stupid fat fucking slobs.

Some people gain all their weight back, not all. Do you know why? All those people who gained it back defaulted back to their old diet that made them sweaty fat fucks in the first place.

This is fucking embarrassing /sci/... OP please delete this thread before /fit/ sees it.

>>4841618 2 bs
drinking more and getting a pet?

I meant to get a prescription of something. but forgot to get a dr appointment. I'll just cold turkey. I can grit my teeth for a week. The problem for relapse for me is usually 2-6 months. I need to figure out how to stop that part.

>>4841637
LIES.
WHY DO YOU SPOUT THESE HEATHEN LIES.

medical science will cure obesity within the next few years

>>4841647
The answer is more sex.

>Let's get this straight: The number of people who go from fat to thin, and stay there, statistically rounds down to zero.

That's the stupidest fucking thing i've ever heard in my life. It doesn't make any sense at all.

Say one person loses their fat and keeps it off. Like, a natural number, 1. That number, which is greater than zero, "rounds down" to zero?

Now 1=0? I don't understand.

If you have a dollar, does it mean that you don't have a dollar because it rounds down to zero?

I seriously do not understand what the fuck that sentence is supposed to mean and no i'm not just being difficult.

>>4841651 more sex

I need to try that as a pickup line. "I'm in danger of relapsing, will you come have sex with me?"

>>4841656
OP obviously implied percentage, you're not being difficult you're only being dense.

>>4841656
You can round to zero in some cases. Average population of universe is zero.

>>4841656

If I have 1 dollar, but I need 1,000,000 dollars, then I have 0.000001%. That can be rounded to 0%.

Of the amount of people who went from fat to thin and remained thin, compared against the people who went from fat to thin and went fat again, the % would be less than 0.5%, is what he meant.

>>4841656
>I seriously do not understand what the fuck that sentence is supposed to mean and no i'm not just being difficult.

Here you go:

>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole

>>4841664
>>4841656
>>4841665

for fucks sake, his name is lel i tral u.
shit, i should just write "eat me" on a stick of live dynamite and throw it towards you guys and let the problem sort itself out.

>>4841658
Hey, worked fine for me.

Till i met that cannibal who thought that her neighbours were animated clay dolls. fucking wierd.

>>4841643

See:

>>4841489

It's funny how quickly /sci/ is willing to throw aside science if it means they can't look down on fat people any more.

>>4841676
It took him more time to write his lengthy post than my 14 words reply, so I'm fine with it.

>>4841664
>>4841665
>>4841668
>>4841676

Holy shit you people are fucking stupid.

How people can be so ignorant to simple nutrition is absolutely fucking baffling. Wether you gain, maintain, or lose weight depends on wether you're in a caloric surplus, deficit, or in equilibrium.

If you are gaining weight, wether you just lost weight recently or not, it's because you are eating at a surplus and need to either exercise more or eat less.

Anyone who argues with that is motivated by something else, perhaps trying to fake science to justify their unhealthy lifestyle.

>>4841698

muh personal responsibility

>>4841698
No, we are not arguing fat.

We are arguing the mathmatical possiblity of rounding to zero,

Do not change the subject.

>>4841637
Fasting for weeks isn't really very difficult. After about three or four days the hunger goes away and you just feel lackadaisical and dreamy.

I fasted for a week earlier this year. I liked it a lot - the only reason I stopped was that my weight dropped below healthy levels. Not that I would recommend it as a method of weight loss - I regained all of the weight in the two weeks after.

>>4841703

>mathmatical possiblity of rounding to zero

"rounding" is not a formal mathematical operation.

If we round to the nearest zero, like what they obviously did in the article, then everything gets rounded to zero. What are you trying to argue exactly?

Yes I actually am a 4th year honors math student and I do have taken a respectable amount of rigorous statistics courses. (not trying to intimidate one from arguing with me, or prove anything, just saying i'm not just a troll from /sp/ (even though I am a troll from /sp))

>>4841721

>do have taken

inb4 ad hominem

>>4841721

>I do have taken a respectable amount of rigorous statistics courses. (not trying to intimidate one from arguing with me

Good thing you mentioned it, we sure were all getting intimidated here.

>>4841721
Not true, you mark results in significant figures. In the case of percentages the excepted total is 0-2 decimal points.

>>4841733

>we sure were all getting intimidated here.

my psychology teacher said that it had something to do with the number of tastebuds you had. Fat people might have as low as 3 thousand tastebuds whereas a skinny person can have as many as 12000 which means these people have two totally different tastes. The skinny person can feel full sooner and eat blander foods.

>>4841733

>It says here you attempt to win arguments on an anonymous japanese cartoon internet imageboard to justify how fat you are by employing ad hominem arguments, as well as accusing the opposing party of getting slightly off-topic. Care to elaborate?

>>4841767

10/10, perfect post.

I lost 30 pounds that never came back.

I also went from being a fatty to normal by working out.

>>4841740

>Not true, you mark results in significant figures. In the case of percentages the excepted total is 0-2 decimal points.

What in the FUCK are you trying to say? Do you have any idea how fucking stupid you are??

I'm 6'0", 223 lbs. 7 months ago I was almost 300 lbs. This article is bullshit.

There are a couple reasons why people that lose weight tend to gain it all back, the main one being lifestyle. For whatever reason, fatasses seem to think that after they spend months/years eating healthy and tempering themselves, they can go back to eating nothing but burgers and pizza and remain skinny. You can't do this.

The other reason is that people go on fad diets. Weight Watchers doesn't work anyways. You need to figure out a diet that works for your body and you need to make sure you're getting your macros. If you continue to eat right and exercise regularly (as humans are meant to do), you'll never be fat again.

Be 180 lbs
become lazy
Eat fast food for a year
explode to 290
Become not lazy
Cook own foods and eat less of it
Walk/bike erryday for 30 minutes.
Lose 60 lbs in 10 months.
Being fat is not a disease in the traditional sense, there is no mythical fat virus, its called stop eating 5000 calories a day, get out of the chair, and go walk around the block.

>>4841790
wat

>>4841362
I lost 60 lbs that haven't come back in the two years since.

50 lbs for 9 years.

>>4841788
>>4841796
>>4841798
>>4841811
>>4841814

Mmmm, I'm going to get fat off all this delicious anecdotal evidence.

Hi /fit/

>>4841796
Are you stupid, or do you actually think 7 months is a long time?

>>4841816
lol

okay dude

You go ahead and a Cracked.com opinion article over tried-and-tested science.

Not gonna do your research for you, fatass. Googling "macronutrients" will give you everything you need.

You'll probably ignore this, though. I bet you nearly broke into tears of joy when you realized you could shovel all your responsibility off onto this mythical fatass disease. I look forward to seeing you on the news in a couple years. "BREAKING: Man had every artery in his body explode in unison! Investigators say a new fat virus may be to blame."

this is obviously just fat acceptance propaganda

>>4841489
this only means that people have different metabolisms

for a second i thought that i was in a troll thread on /fit/...
... but then i read the answers
holy fuck guys, is this just one giant mastertroll or are you really that stupid?

Obesity is easily curable. All it takes is 40mg of Methamphetamine up the nose as needed daily (increase according to tolerance) and I guarantee you, you'll lose weight and keep it off.

hahaha
fat people

>>4841767
my brothers psychology teacher told me that as people get hungrier and revert back into their natural state they will go after the more nutrient filled parts of whatever they are eating. As in, a man would catch a fish, but eat its eyes rather than the meat because eyes have many vitamins not found in meat.

>>4841448
Not the one you replied to; you have a lot of opinions in your statements there, so why don't you back them with some sort of study now? Happens that I don't think that >>4841420 is that far from the actual happening since I deal with a number people suffering from adipositas (along with the diabetes) and they DO live(eat) according to his statement.

>>4841921
This is sorta correct. There are also plenty of documented cases of people craving dirt. Just walk up to a path and grab a handful.

bears lose hundred of pounds every winter

Ultimately, no amount of science, statistics, diets, exercise, pills, surgeries, nothing, will keep you healthy if you do not consent to it before.

The greatest tool you have is yourself. How we are so quick to forget the beautiful self in such a fast-paced world.

>>4841921
>>4841921

You would have to know that the eyes hold more nutritional value. It wouldn't be from instinct

You eat the inside of a potato first because its more satiating than the skin. It's not "instinct" that leads you to the skin... It's knowledge

Listen, I don't normally say this, but you need to get the Fuck out

I don't even post in /sci/ and this thread is a bunch of dyel that don't know shit about nutrition. I'm a /fit/izen lurking here for a chance to fuck some bosons

>>4841964
>pills
This right here is a large reason why people stay fat.
Their laziness makes them think some magic pill will just lose the weigby for them
this thread really belongs on /fit/

>>4841979
this is wrong. we instinctively know where there is good nutrition. It is why we crave liver in winter, and salt during the summer.

>>4842009
Then how do you explain vegetarians

>Christians: 1
>Atheists: 0

>mfw fatties want to make fat a disability so they can get some of the niggers' welfare share and don't work

>>4842009
Agreed. We have visceral drives toward certain foods (fat, sugar, etc.) These can be overruled by reasoned choices, however, and can be lessened (or reinforced) by changing our behavioral patterns. At base level, though, they have nothing to do with higher-level cognition. They are drives based on hormones and neuromodulators akin to pain, mood, and basic emotions. They are feelings, in other words... essentially hardwired, but (like most brain functions) modifiable to an extent.

>>4842012
because most vegetarians make conscious choices to eat a balanced diet including all the micronutrients. Others will take supliments. So they do not run across the need to eat dirt for some magnesium problem.

>if you are fat it is because your body is somehow programmed to be that way and you cannot do anything about it

And what about the fact that obesity figures have been rising practically monotonically since the second world war?

>>4842025
I don't care how starving I am. I will eat the fish meat before I lay a finger on his eye

That's like saying you'll eat bull testicles before the steak because of its "higher nutritional content"

Nope

This is complete rubbish, OP. You can't prove something incurable simply because statistics of individual attempts at remedies show a trend toward regaining weight. It is well known that losing weight is something profoundly affected by INDIVIDUAL effort, willpower, and physiology.

While it is true to some extent that after a significant weight loss, the body WILL be more inclined to store fat, this in no way means that losing weight in a more permanent sense is impossible. I agree, this trend is why most diets fail as long-term solutions, and that fat people often regain their lost weight as a result of this phenomenon. However, my theory is that the main reason they can't stay "cured" is that they continue to lead unhealthy lifestyles that got them fat in the first place. OBVIOUSLY, (assuming these are NOT cases of ACTUAL gland disorders) if these people lacked the will to not overeat to begin with, they will generally tend toward lacking the will to maintain a healthy weight and lifestyle.

>>4841362
OP, this study's "evidence" is hardly any less anecdotal than the inevitable barrage of replies claiming personal success in a weight loss attempt.

I do, however, admire your impossibly well-honed trolling skills. I give it a glorious 10/10.

>>4841841
THIS

I don't know if this counts, but I'm the opposite case. I've always been skinny or fit. A year ago, I went from 160lbs to 200lbs by eating nothing but fish and chips and kebab and chips, and drinking 2 sodas per meal, for like 6 months. One day, I said fuck this shit, changed my diet, and started jogging. I went all the way down to 150lbs within 2 months, and stayed there since.

So I guess I'm the opposite case, it is difficult for me to get fat, and even if I try hard to get fat and succeed, I will go back to being skinny/fit really easily and eventually.

>>4842165
Same here, I don't even give a fuck anymore.

easier to prevent then treat since we know that why dont try to reduce ....oh wait

>nyc implements choice beverage sizes
americunts: muh freedum

went from 180 to 130. (19 y.o guy here)
its true that the weight will come back on. but I was too thin and looking sickly at 130 so at 145 my weight seems to be at a perfect balance, and it dosnt seem to be coming back on.

hurray for proper diet and exercise

>Cracked.com vs. thermodynamics

>>4842297

shit I am 180 lbs and 5'8". I am the lower denominator of personality and looks, and cannot get laid. feels depressing man

>>4842297
okay clearly you are a fucking idiot because your body continues developing until you are 20-25 and when you are 19 years old obviously your body hasnt reached its ultimate equilibrium and gaining or losing weight is very easy, fuck

How hard is it to stop eating like a pig?

I'm not even fat and yet my meals are all designed to give 100% recommended daily vitamins/minerals, and I calculate all the calorie. Use your brain.

FUCKING HELL

JUST GO JOG FOR 15MIN (YES ONLY 15MIN) PER DAY. EAT MAX 3 MEALS PER DAY, MAX 1 PLATE OF FOOD PER MEAL (NO FOOD MOUNTAIN OBVIOUSLY), MIN 1/3 VEGETABLES PER PLATE, THEN YOU'RE FIND AND WON'T BE A FAT FUCK.

HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT. STOP FINDING FUCKING EXCUSES WTF SERIOUSLY.

ITT: fatties gon fat
Keep making excuses fatties, you only make me look better in comparison.

>>4842335
That actually doesn't work for anyone over 30. You have to replace a lot of your diet with rabbit-food.

But go ahead and rant'n'rage like the faggot troll you have already shown us you are.

>>4842358

Sure helps more than sitting there complaining and scrapping the net for excuses to justify your gluttony and laziness.

>fatties gonna fat

>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084

fit here, dont give up, you fat pieces of shit.

>>4842368
No, actually, your version DOES NOT help anyone over 30 at all, it can actually make things significantly worse.

You are NOT a doctor. Shut your retarded cake-hole.

>>4842376
>only posting 1 study
do you even aspergers?
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18173383
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18025815
>http://www.ajcn.org/content/83/5/1055.long
>http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/ketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-have-no-metabo
lic-advantage-over-nonketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-research-review.html
>http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/289/14/1837.abstract
Contradicting evidence (keto may help)
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16476868
>http://www.ajcn.org/content/24/3/290.abstract
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16629877
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19602827
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17923862
>http://www.alanaragon.com/elements-challenging-the-validity-of-the-glycemic-index.html
>http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
>http://www.askscooby.com/nutrition-39/the-truth-about-saturated-fat/
>http://chriskresser.com/5-reasons-not-to-worry-about-your-cholesterol-numbers
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19366466
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15699220
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20234038
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7494680
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18448177
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19179060
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18469287
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14557793

>>4842389
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9841962
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6390614
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19927027
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15640518
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22150425
>http://www.sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21722409
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9841962
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16174292
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10722779
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16174292
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15621063
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8942407
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14666150
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6538617
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6298507
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19478342
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19106243
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21289204
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21613572
>http://www.phoenixbarbell.com/PDF_Files/060809C.pdf
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21045172
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15570142
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11984302
>http://www.sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11319656
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1905998
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15085170
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8399092
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8383639
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21123467
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985

>>4842385
LOL, this faggot actually thinks sitting there complaining and looking for excuses on the internet helps more than eating properly and doing the minimal amount of exercise per day.

I'm not the one who is going to stay fat and delusional. Try to offer some help to these fat fucks and they rage coz I point out the truth.

Well, I tried.

Did you know that most fat people are literally drowning in their own retained water?

Did you know that the reason they retain water is because of cardiovascular problems?

Shut up and fuck off. You -REALLY- don't know what you are shrilling about, you retarded fuckjob.

>>4842389
i love you Pas. don't ever leave /fit/

>implying I wasn't 280lbs
>implying I didn't lose 100lbs
>implying I don't have the knowledge/lifestyle to stay healthy
>implying this isn't broscience to give fatassfatasses an excuse for being fatassfatasses

If you restrict your calories low enough while keeping a healthy amount of proteins/fats, and exercise enough you WILL lose stored energy.

pic related, me after losing 100lbs of fat

>>4842385

Im over 30 and lost 50 pounds by simply changing my diet. That was 4 years ago. I eat terrible food all of the time, just not so much of it.

Stop being a fat fuck.

>>4842392
You're one on those faggots that think it is funny to give people bad advice that gets them killed.

You have to change your diet, which is significantly more important than 15 min of a garbage-shit exercise like jogging when you are over 30, you OBVIOUSLY retarded fuckwit.

>>4842400
>50 lbs

Pussy. My dog shits bigger than that.

>>4842395

HAHAHAHAHA, funny lies.

Link me 10 news reports of fat fucks drowned by their retained water. Or at least 3. Go ahead.

Damn, I can't believe there are actually people who are so delusional that they think eating less and healthier and exercising is actually going to make weight problems worse. Seriously. =/

>>4842402
Stay fat then, fatty.

>>4841565
>>4841565
Was scrolling through this thread and needed to respond.

Linked here from /fit/ actually about this article/thread as its made its rounds over there.

Fuck you.

Everyone on /fit/ DESPISES the term tone and has for a long, long time as it shows a complete lack of understanding of muscles and suggests you can spot-reduce areas of fat.

Don't make assumptions.

>>4842402
I said do both. Exercising and eating healthy are not mutually exclusive LOL.... seriously... are you spechul? Be honest.

>>4842415
No, he is lazy.

Hey.

I was 30kg overweight 3 1/2 years ago.

I'm /fit/ now.

Does that mean I'll gain everything back in the next 1 1/2 years?

>>4841489
>tl;dr people have different metabolism
There are people who can eat a shit ton and not get fat. There are people who eat very little and do. The former will be skinnier throughout life without exercise and eating right, the latter will be fat. This does not mean that being fat made the person unable to not be fat. It's just their genetics made it harder to keep off fat without a good amount of exercise and care for their diet.

>being fat permanently alters your brain chemistry.
It's more like being inactive can alter your brain chemistry. Having a healthy body through exercise routines can help you think clearer, more quickly, and better, due to various different things. However, to think that being fat makes you "need" more food and continue to be fat is ridiculous.

>>4842407
Eventually the retained water starts to fill your lungs.

There is a medical term for it, but I haven't heard it for a while, and I just don't fucking like a POS pathetic lying shitbag like you anyway, so there is NO-WAY I'm going to respect you -one- -fucking- -bit-.

>>4841362

Send all the amerifats to ethiopia and leave them there

Tell me they stay fat

>>4841397
I cannot believe some people believe this shit. It's like no one here even reads scientific publications anymore.

>>4842422
bullshit.

Anyone who says they eat a lot and not gain weight don't. outside someone like michael phelps who swims for 8 hours a day.

Anyone who says they eat little and gain weight do. They always forget to add in that second 2liter they drank, or didn't know that milk counted as having calories.

>>4842424
LOL 0 links.

>>4842420
Usually, yes. Maybe not all of it, but most of it will come back.

People who say otherwise are usually hoping they can keep their personal mountain of sweaty butter down to a minimum.

>>4842436
Not if he keeps up working out and eating healthy. If it does come back, it will be lean mass mixed with some fat.

>>4842424
I wasn't looking for your respect at all ROFL. I know you are always going to respect colonel sanders and the owner of your local pizza shop more than anyone else.

>>4842431
Aw, the faggot is mad.

Go suck a Jewcock, little faggot.

>>4842440
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/magazine/tara-parker-pope-fat-trap.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

It ALWAYS comes back. If not all of it, then a lot of it.

My twin brother lost like 25 kilograms over half a year and stayed like that.
So you see it is possible

>>4842443
Why are you getting mad LOL? Coz I point out the fact that you are fat because of your own fault? Truth hurts.

Don't worry, I'm not going to tell you to go suck a cock, coz I'm calm.

>>4842443
You just got told.

couldn't you just put the weight back on, but as muscle?

>>4842436
That's really funny because I'm athletic as fuck right now, don't have ANY cravings for unhealthy food or carbs (other than OATZ) anymore and don't plan on giving up this lifestyle ever again.

>>4842451
You don't need to be an expert to see that your body won't just happily accept 550 kilocalories a day after eating probably more than 3000 for years.

>>4842470
They are bitter and fat.

>>4842451
>http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/magazine/tara-parker-pope-fat-trap.html?_r=1&pagewanted=al
l


Haha this is funny as hell. Fatasses actually believe they aren't losing weight but in reality, instead of a nytimes article I provide you a scientific publication. Quit finding excuses to be fat.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084

>>4842454
I tell you I have 0 respect for you, and you counter with a made-up "truth hurts"? I have nothing to say to you, child.

>>4842455
Oh, gosh. How will I -ever- endure.

>>4842451
>I have always felt perplexed about my inability to keep weight off. I know the medical benefits of weight loss, and I don’t drink sugary sodas or eat fast food. I exercise regularly — a few years ago, I even completed a marathon. Yet during the 23 years since graduating from college, I’ve lost 10 or 20 pounds at a time, maintained it for a little while and then gained it all back and more, to the point where I am now easily 60 pounds overweight.
Tara's problem is that she is not controlling her total calorie intake.

>>4842467

>implying your body has any choice

Holy shit. I didn't realize /sci/ completely ignored science and just posted feel-good shit to make themselves feel better about being fatties.

m00t should nuke this board out of existence. /fit/ out.

>>4842479
Your body doesn't just put on weight unless it's your fault.

>>4842481

Exactly. Fatty McFatterson up there was implying that your body has its own will and preferences and will freak out if you stop chugging Pepsi and living off of Big Macs.

>>4842470
It really is quite ridiculous how all these fat people victimise themselves and actually think losing weight is mission impossible. I mean it's fun laughing at them and they deserve it to an extent, but it is also extremely sad at the same time.

Deep down inside, they must know the truth. I honestly don't believe that someone actually thinks that exercise and eating healthy is bad for you and can be lethal. Yet, it's so difficult to help them. They are the only ones who can help themselves, unless the government forces them to exercise and eat less and healthier.

>>4842489
So your body will just make it's self fat?
This board is too smart for me.

Hey its not easy. Fat people are often addicted to food. They can't stop eating, take in too many calories and get fat. The addiction doesn't go away after they lose the weight either.

Eating is essential to life and everytime they eat they are tempting themselves to keep on eating.

>>4842497
>Fuck my body is making me fat, and there's nothing I can do about it. The only thing I can do is go online and find other fatties who think the same so I can believe my delusions easier.

>>4842489
>your body has its own will and preferences and will freak out if you stop chugging Pepsi and living off of Big Macs.
To an extent it will. You'll probably get some headaches and not feel great if you go straight to eating healthy, because your body isn't used to it.
However, that doesn't make that changing your diet as such is unhealthy or impossible to do. You just have to have the willpower and right mental attitude about it. The people who do have the right attitude are typically those who start changing privately, and don't seek a "fix all diet plan." They just go "I'm going to start exercising and eating better" and then DO.

>>4842507
One fatty above said it's lethal to go "I'm going to start exercising and eating better" and then DO.

>>4842479
No, I was pointing out that this whole research is based on a retarded premise, that rapidly going from 3k kcal to 550 kcal a day will just put your body in a starve mode. Yes, you will probably lose weight while this diet lasts, but as soon as you start overeating again, your body will just think "Here's my chance to save body fat, in case I'll have to go through another starvation period"

If you're fat, don't get demotivated by this. It IS possible and I know of many people who got skinny after being obese for years.

>>4842514
It can be lethal if you're, I don't know, retarded or something.

ITT: Fatties spouting thoroughly debunked bullshit about genetics, metabolism, and 'thin privilege'

I thought /sci/ was above this sort of shameless self-delusion.

>these bullshit excuses

holy fuck you fat asses are pathetic.

Trust 4chan.

We will give you information you can trust.

>tfw went from a 265pound 12 year old to ripped shredded and cut like diamonds by the time I turned 14

It's possible, but you need the willpower and a hate breeding inside you.

Just yesterday someone gave me cupcakes.
The thing is, I can't have cupcakes.
Not because they are unhealthy though, but because they taste like shit now.

>>4842528

The general solution I have heard, if denying an offer of food is bad for some reason and you don't want to cheat, is to take it, take one bite, and dispose of it later.

Screw these fatties man. Why are you guys trying to convince them it's possible to lose weight? Just have a good laugh at their excuses and move on.

well I imagine if you keep up being thin for about 5 years the body will get used to that. But yeah if you want to keep it off you will prolly have to become vegan or some shit.

The human body is so fucking primitive sometimes. I hope for the day we can surpass these things.

This thread depresses me.

>>4842565
how....is this level retardedness possible, surely /sci/ of all places should understand some fucking basic physiological shit, you piece of shit, i hope you never procreate.

some seriously stupid bastards on this board

I went from 110kg Fatasfatass to 70kg averagemode when I was 19, had pretty much spent most of my youth chubby/fat, then ballooned when I hit 16.

I don't look good but I'm certainly not fat. I've been 'thin' for nearly 4 years now.

Plus, seeing as getting from fat to thin is entirely and completely dependent on the willpower of the person, I don't really think you can say it's 'incurable'.

That being said, I don't know anyone like me at all. So perhaps I fall into the 'no one' category..

Surely the subject of this thread can be said for every lifetime habit.
I pick my nails and nose, I've tried for the last 14 years to stop but never succeeded.
The same goes for the 90% of people who start going to the gym but quit after three months.
The main problem is not that it's impossible, it's the willpower of people is so weak. Especially for fat people, who are fat because of bad habits and poor willpower in the first place; no one tries to get fat.
If you try hard enough to lose weight and keep it that way, and if it means that much to you, you can do it. The best way I think is to just hit the gym solidly over an extended period of time.
I've seen it done with two of my close friends, one male and one female who have lost so much weight and the girl has gone from a 5 to an 8.5.
However I've seen many many more people go the other way.

My dad was really fat. The doctor gave him these boots that used compressed air to try to squeeze water out of his legs. He would cough up water during the sessions.

Then he had a stroke and was in a coma. The hospital put him on dialysis. He lost 30lbs in 2 days just from water being removed from his blood.

We took him off of life support because he had no brain activity, but he looked healthier than he had in years.

>>4842588
>no one tries to get fat

>>4842588
>The best way I think is to just hit the gym solidly over an extended period of time

Fuck I wish I could do this but my social anxiety really fucks me over.

>>4842565
>But yeah if you want to keep it off you will prolly have to become vegan or some shit.
What...?!
Are you fucking stupid?

JUST EAT HEALTHIER AND EXERCISE TO KEEP YOUR WEIGHT OFF! IT'S NOT THAT HARD MOTHERFUCKER!
I hope you're a troll. I seriously hope so.

>>4842598

Nice excuse fatty. That must be it, it's nothing to do with the fact that I'm satisfied with a single doughnut while a dozen is what you'd consider a light snack.

>>4842613
Food is addiction, its not that easy.

>Just stop using heroin

>>4842619
You're pathetic

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084


>ITT hamplanets in denial.

To me there is a very real psychological component to it. I binge, and I feel so bad and guilty that it really gets me down, and makes me feel so shitty. I just get depressed and binge again, but then the cycle just repeats itself like a feedback loop of negative emotions.

As a former fatman (I was 6'2 305 at 14, now 6'4 202 at 20) The story has a couple of leading points but is essentially bullshit. It took me a while to adapt but I did adapt. I became overweight from eating because of stress as my parents were going through marriage problems. I ate not because I was hungry, but because I needed an escape and food did the trick. Skip to 100 pounds lighter, I'm not chiseled but I eat whatever the hell I want, but I'm not overeating (exceeding caloric intake.) At first it felt like I was starving myself but that disappeared within the first 6 months of eating healthier.

>ITT people trying to justify their laziness

Just what the fuck's wrong with you? I think this is worse than those "Beauty in every size" things.

>>4842622
Are you implying that people can't get addicting to food?

Not only is there a mental addiction, but a physical one as well. Eating food releases hormones, and neurochemicals, like dopamine, it makes you feel good.

>>4842634
you know what you could try doing?
manning up and not eating
>>4842641
I don't care. Quitting everything however addicting always boils down to just man the fuck up and either go cold turkey or slowly cut down on it. You only have yourself to blame.

>>4842645
Look man it's hard to quit something you are addicted to. Really, really fucking hard. You know what makes it even harder? When you have to keep doing what you are addicted to in order to live.

>>4842634
You make it sound like you're not to be blamed and somehow you're not in control.

You can be in control, and that kind of thinking certainly will not help.

This whole thread is horseshit, fatty propaganda.

This was covered on Penn and Teller and other programmes on TV.

People who are fat lie to themselves. They believe they're trying to lose weight, they believe they;re eating less and exercising as they need to but they never are.
I remember seeing one woman on a programme who said she just had a slow metabolism so they got a couple of experts to see her and guess what? She was the same as everyone else! They put a hidden camera on her and she was stuffing like you wouldn't even believe.
There is so science here because all of the evidence is completely unreliable by people lying to their doctors and all of the people doing research.
It's easily possible to lose weight, I regularly bulk and cut for the gym as do many people I know, and I've also seen many people shed pounds with personal trainers.

Being fat is a lifestyle choice, not a disease.

>>4842588
I'd recommend that people starting out don't even go to a gym. They're not ready for it.

If you really want to lose weight, slowly change your diet to simply eating more healthy and start calorie counting. Don't go on some "fix all" diet, just do some research and eat healthier. Not even full-on healthy. For exercise, do some intense cardio and calisthenic workouts every day. Just something you can literally do at any time, right as you think about it. Then, as you get healthier and more disciplined you can start going to the gym.

The problem is that most people who just up and go to the gym ever day and fully change their diet up will end up quitting, due to giving up because it's too different. There are people who can completely alter their behavior in one go, but it's difficult and takes a lot of willpower.

>>4841362
You sound like a fatass hamplanet who is trying to justify their own slothful, gluttonous ways.

I don't give a flying FUCK what any so-called "study" says, you can lose weight and keep it off FOR LIFE if you're motivated to do so rather than go back to stuffing your fat face with shitty foods and lie around on your ass all the time.

>>4842651
>>4842651
>>4842651

OK.... as much as I agree with you... that message coming from Penn really isn't very convincing.

>>4842660
Penn's not fat, he's just big.

>>4842652
Bro I don't even think about eating.
I eat exactly the same, day in, day out. You can do the same too. Stop thinking about it at all. Stop linking food to any kind of pleasure of anything.

>>4842641
>>4842652
I was 280 and stopped fucking eating and I'm 180 now. Stop crying you pathetic pussy, if you lose weight, you have to eat less, and be hungry. Fucking deal with it. Comparing food to a serious addictions like heroin is retarded. Yes, some people are addicted to food, and some are dependent on it. Those people weigh AT LEAST as much as I did, likely more. Even then, it's probably not clinical, they're just stuffing their faces with shit. Man the fuck up and quit being a beta.

Quit shooting heroine and smoking cigarettes and crack after 15 years: Easy as getting over the sniffles.

Implying a second serving of veg is a change in diet: bullshit.

>>4842669
What do you eat?

>>4842669
And again I repeat, this is entirely your problem and only you are to blame for it.
If you care about something you'll find a way, if not you'll find an excuse.

>>4842678
I fucking knew it. I fucking knew some fatty would eventually bring up heroin and compare it to food.

Fucking hell man. I give up.

>>4842678
It may not be a big change, but it is a change nonetheless.

Is the diet the same as it was before? No? Then it changed.

>>4842654

Unfortunately I disagree, the sooner they get to the gym the better. It is true that how you look is 70% diet, 30% exercise when working out but surely it's better to get that extra 30% in. Plus everyone knows that determined fatties can shed very very quickly.

Fat are food addicts and as such act like addicts in the way they like like alcoholics and junkies about their addictions. The only thing is it's a cheaper habit and it's more of a taboo to confront them which is bizarre.

You can't believe in any of the statistics because they ALL lie.

>>4842619
No ones saying not to eat. Just eat less.
It takes willpower, sure, but it's not impossible. And it's much easier to eat less food and more healthy food than it is to stop using heroin.

If you have a problem eating a dozen fucking donuts, then don't buy a dozen fucking donuts. Make sure you prepare your meals ahead of time, so you don't overeat, as well as never do your planning or grocery shopping while hungry.

It isn't true for me. I was 5'11'' in 8th grade and 250-260 lbs. I am now 27 and 8% body fat at 6'1'' and 225. I do work out regularly and watch what I eat...but I'm in great condition for an "incurable fattie". The truth is...I LOVE TO FUCKING EAT! I could eat whatever, whenever. Its just one of those things I have learned I can't do.

Not true. Not true. Also, I have quit smoking, which was way harder.

>>4842690
Bullshit. It's all about doing something you can commit to in order to motivate you to the next stage. Jumping on the Diet/Workout train immediately will just throw you off the scent and you'll be sick of it.

>>4842679
~3800kcal and 200g protein/day.

>>4842693
Fuck I'm trying but its so hard. I lost weight at school, but I'm back home and my family keeps on bringing junk into the house. Chips, ice cream, cakes, donuts, every day. I am trying to resist, but its really fucking hard especially when you're hungry and your mom comes up to you and says "You look hungry dear, here's some ice cream!"

Thankfully I've maintained my current weight, but I really need to be losing weight.

OP pic related. I don't really even care about fat people anymore, I just laugh at them. There are people who honestly want advice on exercise and nutrition but most of the fatties are those "beauty in every size" kind of guys who try to convince themselves how being fat is some how good thing or not their own fault. Just fuck you. You are pathetic, disgusting, ugly, lazy and should be shamed of yourselves.

>>4842704
Stop being lazy.
I prefer sticking to a diet, it means I don't have to think about what to eat. And I fucking live for my workouts.
Once you get into it you'll love it.

>>4842651
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120219143222.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120318143904.htm

I cant hold all this bro science in here about "willpower" and manning up.
Motivation is psychological and genetic, there are legitimate problems that add to obesity, but no you're right it's just hurr durr everyones lazy.
It's almost as if people have no empathy.

>>4842715
It's not being lazy. Trying to learn all the exercises, and learn how to count calories/eat healthily is a LOT especially when you already have a busy school or work life. Its better to do what you can than try to bite off mroe than you can chew, and take on everything at once, and then fail at everything.

70% is better than 30%.

>>4842708
Read the sticky on /fit/...please. Take your weight in pounds, multiply it by ten. That's how many calories you must eat to lose weight. Vi-Shape shakes are 90 calories, full of nutrients, taste awesome, and keep you full. Same with cheap protein bars at publix. You can do it brother, it's sooo easy.

>>4842713
Can't into pictures

>>4842689
Actually, quitting drugs is how I gained the weight, dumbass. I don't even consume caffeine.

>>4842715
I was speaking for fatties, I myself workout and diet, I'm not lazy. But, when I was out of shape I tried to do everything at once and it killed me, but I worked up to it now, and I look decent and feel great.

>>4842690
I wasn't saying that they shouldn't exercise, just that they shouldn't start with gym training. Working out in a gym involves getting dressed, walking, biking, or driving to the gym, signing in, and then doing your reps on machines which may or may not be in use already. Not to mention your working out around a lot of people.

It's easier for less-disciplined people to do a calisthenic workout at home and go running. It typically doesn't take as much "effort" to get your workout started. They can get into their workout right away.

>>4842718
>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120318143904.htm

If you people think you're fat because of a genetic mutation, you're wrong...for now. Diet and workout for a couple months, and if nothing happens, I'll believe you. And don't give me bullshit either

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084

We know fatties are in denial, it's science!

>>4842624
>The failure of some obese subjects to lose weight while eating a diet they report as low in calories is due to an energy intake substantially higher than reported and an overestimation of physical activity, not to an abnormality in thermogenesis.

Fat people status: TOLD

>>4842718
>there are legitimate problems that add to obesity
If you really care you'd overcome those problems.
>>4842725
Counting calories takes no learning whatsoever. Eating healthily isn't necessary for weight loss.
Working out is easy, 3 hours a week, and when you first start those 3 hours will be spent learning the movements. Everyone has that free time.

>>4842734
OOOooo. Anecdotes.

What a powerful argument.

>>4842741
And a national football player can be a little girl if he just -REALLY- tries hard.

>>4842745
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084

read it you illiterate landfat.

>>4842745
Christ I actually thought /sci/ was a decent board.
Are you all just pathetic fatties with no willpower who desperately try to find some shitty articles to support your laziness?

>>4842690
Thing is though, the things that make a person an addict of any type, food, drugs, cat pics, or work never go away. If you've become an addict in the past then you will be at risk of relapsing for the rest of your life.
Difference being, if you quit smoking or drinking at drugs, Judd avoiding being places that have those things can help seriously reduce the risk of relapse. Food and work on the other hand, are not things that you can just avoid seeing.

>>4842740
>>4842741
Lol and this is exactly what I said the same kind of stupid /fit/ broscience of manning up, just fuck off back to /fit/ you obviously arent smart enough to into, psychology which is babby tier soft science and genetics.

MANUP BRO DO SOME SQUATS AND EAT OATS BRO BRO DOOD SQUAT HARDER ON MY DICK AND SCAT ON MY FACE BRO.

>Find out BMR
>Remove 500 kcals from amount
>Small change that nobody will notice
>1lb a week easy weight loss that's easy to maintain.
>Regularly re check the numbers
>52lbs a year.
>120lbs lost

My story. For what it's worth.

>>4842753
>>4842753
All the shit you posted doesn't apply to you, and you're using heavily exaggerated metaphors. You're so beta I feel like my virginity is growing back by just reading your posts.

I've just realised why this thread/topic is so ludicrous.

Noone has stated what is classified as fat.

Someone who puts on a bit of weight on holiday will no have trouble losing it again at some point.

The topic being discussed is only applicable for people who are very very obese to the point where they are addicted to (fatty) food, which tells you exactly where the problem lies.

Recovering alcoholics and heroin users can never touch their addiction again because it will invariably cause them to relapse due to the physical hold it had had on them before.

You are never cured of severe alcoholism or heroin addiction.

This is the same for food, but with more of a major problem, you can never eat again, you have to eat to stay alive. The only way to possibly combat it is to only eat healthy food for the rest of your life. This is practically impossible, which is why people who are very/morbidly obese invariably slip back into old habits.

To tar all fat people with that brush is stupid. I know numerous people who were fat who've lost weight, got buff and never looked back.

tl;dr

The science in the OP is only valid for people with eating problems/food addiction.

>>4842752
You need better than anecdotes to have an argument on /sci/, faggot.

Fuck off to /b/. Your arguments will be more credible there.

We have standards.

>>4842753
Why do fatties always use such retarded analogies?
The heroin one earlier, this, and hundreds of others...
If you care you will find a way. If not you will find an excuse.
Keep searching for excuses.
I for one know if I had some genetic problem preventing me doing something I want I would search for every possible way around it and still try as hard as I can do surpass it, as opposed to finding shitty studies to make myself feel justified in giving up.

>>4842759
I'm in pre-med right now and was valedictorian. Stop assuming shit to make you feel better and read the damn article

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084

>>4842765
I'm not even using anecdotes, you're the one posting them.

>>4842765
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084http://www.ncbi..
nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubm
ed/1454084http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084http:/
/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084http://www.ncbi.nlm.ni
h.gov/pubmed/1454084http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084

>Wah! Scientific studies are anecdotes! It's proven I can't lose weight

>>4842725
>Trying to learn all the exercises, and learn how to count calories/eat healthily is a LOT especially when you already have a busy school or work life.

This is called making a mountain out of a molehill. Do you know how hard it is to learn three exercises? Do you believe that anybody on /fit/ autistically counts their calories rather than being vaguely, but honestly, aware of what they eat and what those foods contain?

>>4842770
Fat: two digit bodyfat percent
there you go

>>4842775
>do you believe that anybody on /fit/ autistically counts their calories

Gymvirgin/workoutvirgin/excersize/dietvirgin detected.

>>4842745
>anecdotes
>scientific publication

>>4842762
All the shit -I- posted?!

>If you really care you'd overcome those problems.

A national football player can be a little girl by those standards of evidence, you twat.

>>4842780
Ok
He can have a sex change and extensive surgery to do that. If he really wants to.
There you go.
Now stop using shitty analogies.

>>4842776
>Fat: two digit body percent
You're even more retarded here than when you're on /fit/, Pas.

>>4842776
Know a good site where I can estimate my calorie intake per meal?

>>4842768
I read the article and it doesn't change a fucking thing about the studies I posted you illiterate plant fucker.
So what if fat bastards lie about how much exercise or calories they intake what does that have to do with what I posted?
Oh no you didn't read it cause you've already got your conclusion and no intention of becoming informed on a multifaceted problem.

You dont help anyone by being a condescending, douchebag who doesn't understand things take more than saying MAN UP BRO especially.

Kid with downsyndrome JUST MAN UP BRO GET THE DERP OFF YOUR FACE.
You are the biggest fucking Luddite in the world.

>>4842780
Yes. Overcoming hunger is something that is possible and easy to do. Overcoming being a faggot who has to justify being an out of shape cunt might not be, from what I've seen you post. Whatever helps you sleep man, I'm done with you, you're so far down the rabbit hole there's no helping

>>4842721

At school I was able to control my environment, so I did not purchase any junk food.
It's much harder at home, there's always chips cold sodas, etc.
I am weak, and I can't resist this stuff at all.

It's not like I can just order my family on what to buy.

>>4842794
fatty detected
dw bro I'm a fatty at the moment too

>>4842784
Excuse-maker detected

Enjoy your heart complications

>>4842796
dailyplate
fitday
chronometer
swole.me

>>4842804
wat

>>4842805
Bro it's not about what you eat. It's about how much.
Eating shit won't make you fat, it'll just make you unhealthy. You can lose weight on McDolans.

>>4842798
You posted a study about genetic mutations that effect a small percentage of society, and I read the whole thing. YOU are using that as an excuse to be fat when clearly you've never tried to lose weight seriously, and have no proof of you having a genetic disorder. You just like to justify your own shortcomings. Stop being so mad.

>>4842791
And now you have a 400lb, 6'8" football player with a vagina, which bears an uncanny resemblance to how things actually are, but you still do not have a little girl.

No, fuck -YOUR- mom.

>>4842805
You can do it, just gotta find a way to remove yourself from that shit. Sometimes that's the only way. Ask your family for help, no shame in that. DO whatever it takes to get your compass pointed at your goals and achieve them. You can do it!

>>4842815
>how does exercise reduce my chance of heart disease?

>>4842816
>Gets told he can overcome hunger
>He compares it to becoming a little girl

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I just got finished reading this conversation. Really /sci/, REALLY?

>>4842825
Wrong. Follow the thread back, stupid faggot.

This article just makes people like this think they're right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AHQSeBxbSU&feature=plcp

Fuck such articles.

You can easily lose muscle and fat, so that's not a problem.
Now the height is the only problem, maybe some kind of bone shortening surgery? He'd probably need crutches for the rest of his life after that though. Then hormones and you have a fucked up looking little girl.
And this is a completely shit analogy anyway and in no way relevant to this thread.

>>4842813
No again you're being an assuming cunt not once did I say that I have a genetic disorder nor did I even imply it.
Nor did I say everyone did, or that people are 100% honest about trying to lose weight.
What I did say was you stupid condescending pieces of shit call every fat person lazy and ignore the possibility of it being something out of their control, you just say man up or willpower or some other stupid magic fairy tale shit.

You don't empathize you dont even attempt to understand the problem you just cry like 5 year olds and it's insulting to call what you're saying science.
How do you know how common or rare this genetic defect is? It's only a single mutation, most people havent had their genomes sequenced and have no idea whether or not they have it again assuming something.

Get over yourself, you're a dumb cunt.

>>4842828
I was referring to your reply. How does counting calories make someone less heart-healthy? Honestly.

>>4842839
In the past far fewer people were obese than today. Only the very wealthy were fat.
Think about it for a bit.

>>4842819
I tried to ask them to stop, but they just ignored me and kept bringing it in. They eeven got kind of mad at me, for suggesting it. Even though I am still overweight, I'm the least overweight of my whole family, so they took it as an insult to themselves, when I said that I was fat
.

>>4842834
>wrong
You very clearly compared both such things, furthermore, every argument produced you compared to some ludicrous example. You need help.

>>4842839
call every fat person lazy and ignore the possibility of it being something out of their control, you just say man up or willpower or some other stupid magic fairy tale shit.

I never said that, I said the people here are. Relax your buttcheeks. Stop generalizing.

calm down people, "fatness" is just a social construction

>>4842843
Well, you're not going to lose if you don't have the willpower(that's fine) to stop eating it, and can't remove yourself from the situation. You must overcome one of those if you wish to see results.

>>4842843
That's when you sit them down and say you're concerned about your own health as well as theirs.
If they're fat, tell them they're fat and that being unhealthy sucks, and even has negative effects on how well your brain works, as well as how happy you are.

Tell them that by working out and eating right, you all will be happier and smarter, and will live longer.

>>4842825
>If you really care you'd overcome those problems.
That is a fallacy, dipshit.

>If you really care about getting over cancer you'd overcome those problems.

Gee, that doesn't work.

>If you really care about education, you'd overcome those problems by overthrowing your government.

Wow.

>>4842866

>If you really care you'd overcome those problems.
That is a fallacy, dipshit.

>If you really care about getting over cancer you'd overcome those problems.

Gee, that doesn't work.

>If you really care about education, you'd overcome those problems by overthrowing your government.

Wow.
I'm not samefag you dickhead. Not everyone calling you out is samefag.

>>4842841
What? Because somebody who makes excuses for their inability to do anybody good for themselves, even something that requires just an iota of effort, is giving up on their own life?

>>4842866
You'd overcome the problems presented by cancer. See all the people who have cancer but still do impressive things.
If you really care about education you could try to overthrow the government, or you could preach your views, or just vote depending on how much you care (voting being the point of finding an excuse and pretending you care)

>>4842853
I was talking to pas, you just happened to jump to his defence.

>>4842776

What percentage of the UK population are <10% body fat? I'd say less than 0.5%.

I'd say 20% is getting towards it.
25% is overweight.
30% is fat
35+% is obese.

You're a fucking idiot, coming from an 11.5% /fit/izen.

>>4842871
I didn't make excuses, I said that it was dumb to think that people on /fit/ don't count calories. Your replies have nothing to do with that.

>>4842863
I tried to do it already, but it didn't end that well.

>>4842860
Yeah summer will be over soon, and I'll be heading back to school by August. Maybe I should just wait until then to make progress on losing the rest of my weight.

>>4842876
I was defending something he said, not him himself. Sorry about the misconception.

>>4842866
>implying cancer is the same as being fat
You shouldn't dwell on the things you have no control over. However, you DO have control over being fat.

>implying the government is the problem with your education
Just shut the fuck up. Stop blaming others for the failures that you can control.

>>4842877
what about BMI? Can't you just use that to determine obesity?

>>4842847
and thats unsubstantiated bull shit.
one peoples bellies swell from malnutrition which makes them look fat,
two gladiators were fat because they only ever ate barley and foods like that and gladiators were not rich.
You literally are just trolling or have no idea what you're talking about either way this becomes boring.

>>4842877
I;m at 11% m8
just accept it we're both fat
as are most people in the world, to varying degrees.
>>4842853
I've already said, if something was 'beyond my control' I'd still try as fucking hard as I could to surpass it or find a way around it, not argue why me not trying is perfectly ok on the internet.
And one's bodyfat is within the control of 99.9999% of the population.

>>4842882
Don't wait, start trying right now. Waiting would be an excuse. Just turn down unhealthy food, I KNOW it's hard where you're at because I've been there, but you need to be better than your family who are bringing shit into the house and ruining their family's health.

>>4842895
For most people yes, but if you lift and you;re not overweight according to BMI you're basically an auschwitz survivor.
>>4842898
whatever
You obesity is your problem not mine.

>>4842882
How much weight have you lost so far? How much more do you need to lose? What do you weight right now?

>>4842893
MMMmmm, your butthurt tears are so salty and yummy.

Solution: force your organism to burn more calories by staying active and building muscle mass.

>>4842780

You're actually the moron.

Being fat and losing weight is closer to having a moustache and shaving it off than to a man becoming a girl.

Losing weight requires time, effort determination and patience, that's all.

>>4842828

Fucking lol, I saw that mermaid story on the BBC website yesterday.

>America

>>4842910
And,..

>If you really care you'd overcome those problems.

so you can become a little girl, by your standards.

>>4842935
Christ you fucking aspies are impossible to talk to

>>4842935
Wow dude, you're so fucking stupid. Comparing one situation's logic to everything else. But that's ok, YOU have to live with being a fatass in denial, I don't.

>5'11", 215 lbs., decent amount of muscle from gym three times a week

I'm okay with this.

>>4842843
You utterly lack empathy, don't you?

You directly and immediately assume that since it was easy for you it must be easy for everyone. Listen buddy... That's just not how it works, and I'll try to explain why.

You see different people react to the world differently and have different abilities. For instance, were you to take let's say a basic physics course, something everyone here at sci would be able to pass with ease, and inevitably fail, us saying "just study harder" would be extremely cruel, as your brain was made for "manning up" and "not being lazy" instead of thinking.
You see, it would take way more effort for you to do it compared to us, just like it takes many of us way more effort to lose weight than it would for someone like you.

>>4842935

I never said that.

You can't compare losing weight to anything else. You can't make yourself taller or your feet longer, but EVERYONE can lose weight it's being proven my people every day.

>>4842946
He was saying that he was having trouble losing weight....not whatever you said.

>>4842937
...says the person who shouldn't say the things they don't mean.

The aspie is you. You should mean what you say.

>>4842946
m8 I'd just like to say if you don't go to a top 10 world university then please stop trying to use the meathead stereotype.

>>4842955
I've already addressed your shitty point, and you're displaying legitimate aspie behaviour atm too btw

>>4842955
Now you're ignoring the central point of the argument. You can lose weight, but you're in denial about it. Tell me, WHY can't you lose weight?

Say what you mean, and mean what you say,

And your words will carry weight every second, every day.

>>4842906
I lost 15 lbs, and need to lose another 20lbs.
I'm current weighing 165 lbs.

>>4842900
Yeah I know. It's just real hard.

>>4842946
Totally misunderstood what that guy was saying in his post.

>>4842880
>I said that it was dumb to think that people on /fit/ don't count calories
No you made vague mocking statements. I didn't say people on /fit/ didn't count calories, I just said they weren't autistic.

>>4842997
Look counting calories is a lot of work and memorization. I mean if you don't just eat food with the info printed on it. Like I eat a banana, and like how many calories are in a banana! I look online and it says it depends on the size of the banana. Fuck I didn't measure it. Now I have to carry a ruler around everywhere.

>>4843005
>counting calories is a lot of work and memorization
no it's not
You don't have to count that precisely anyway, there are other uncertainties you can't remove which make trying to count calories to 1kcal precision pointless.

>>4842997
>>4843005
Look, we do it all the time.

>>>/fit/13433050

It's easy. Livestrong.com/Wolframalpha and google are your friends. Counting calories is so easy.

>>4843016
>>4843019

That's a lot of work. I have to write down every single thing I eat during a day?

>>4843023
It's really not hard at all.

>>4843023
No. Have goals, and remember what you eat. The post a referenced to is someone who is deadset on looking EXACTLY how he/she wants to look. He/she is an extreme, you just need to look at calories/protein/carb/fat/sugar/ vitamins and mineral.

That sounds like a lot but it's not at all.

>>4843032
All that really matters for weight loss is calories. Add protein in for mass gain. And get at least some fats or you'll feel and look shit.
Other stuff is just optional for good health, and if you eat normal, proper foods you'll get the right amounts of the other stuff anyway.

>>4843027
YEs it is. I can't remember all day every little exercise or food I ate.

>you just need to look at calories/protein/carb/fat/sugar/ vitamins and mineral.

.... just? That's so much though

>>4843016
>>4843023
>>4843019

these calorie sites are jokes. i did a calorie test like last week. i then clicked the recommend diet button, and here is what it recommended.

1. breakfast - bananas - 9
2. lunch - tomato - 2 cups
3. dinner - tuna and lettuce - 1 cup

who the fuck is going to follow that...

i'm not even fat, i just did that test for fun.

>>4843040
You don't need to. You're making it out to be harder than it is. Here, I'll help. You want to loose weight right? How much do you weigh?

>>4843040
Nah it;s not that hard. Soon you;ll get an idea of what's in most foods, and with some basic maths you won't even need paper.
Or just eat the same every day, that's way easier.

>>4843049
That's if you want to look like a Greek God. You don't need to do that, but those recs are no joke.

>>4843052
170lbs, I need to get down to 140 I think

>>4843049
you used swole.me?
Yeah it makes some pretty funny diet up
>>4843059
No it's not. To look like a greek god you don't need anything special. Just lift heavy and get your protein and calories.
>>4843060
Read the sticky on /fit/ if you actually care. Seriously.
And try lifting. It sounds boring at first but it's a great hobby once you get into it.

>>4843060
Ok. 170 x 10 is 1700. You need that many calories a day to loose weight. Tomorrow, count calories, and portion it out to where you don't reach 1700 just eating breakfast. You don't need to count all the shit I mentioned, only calories. I'd suggest trying to eat 170g of protein, you won't be hungry. YOu won't eat 170 because that's a lot of protein, but try to get some in you. Try that tomorrow. You'll see how easy it is. By the way, you'll be slightly hungry. Deal with it.

>>4843067
yes, swole.me, that's the one...

>>4843067
Greek God's with no imperfections don't just lift heavy.

>>4843082
Yeah they also take extra hormones and avoid working their core or legs because they have a fucked idea of what looks good.
>>4843081
Yeah swole.me just randomly throws foods around when you tell it to make a diet afaik, so it never really generates a sane diet on it's own.

>>4843075
I usually skip breakfast, so that won't be a problem.

How long until I see results?

>>4843098
You can lose 1-2lbs a week.
1lb fat = 3500kcal
So if you eat 500kcal under AMR then you'll lose 1lb/week.

>>4843098
Depends on your age. 1 pound a week is natural, but if you're young it could be as much as 2 pounds a day. Me, I lost 25 pounds in a month. You shouldn't expect that if you're not exercising.

>>4843105
What's AMR mean?

>>4843098
ALso, read the entire sticky on /fit/. It's laid out in plain English, and you'll lose weight if you commit. No need to go out and buy a pound of salad or anything like that, just count your calories and you'll be good to go.

>>4843109
bro you're going to be a tent if you keep that rate up for a while
>>4843111
active metabolic rate
ie calories you use each day including activity

>>4843115
Don't worry, I only need 2 more pounds to reach the target weight for my height, I have a routine, I know what I'm doing.

A chick I know is literally eating 1k calories a day (all in raw vegetable salads, nuts and dried fruit) and runs 10 miles each evening. Previously she practiced self-starvation, lost her period, then gained 10 kg. No matter what she does now, she can't drop them. Explain this shit.

>>4843131
She is eating too many calories. ITs simple Calories Out needs to be > Calories in to lose weight.

Tell her to exercise more or eat less. Probably both

>>4843131
She didn't read the sticky

>>4843131
hahahahaha eats 1k calorie and runs 10 miles per day and gained 10kg. u're funny man.

>>4843146
bro maybe she's just a superior evolved being with a far more efficient method of running and metabolising than us

>>4843152
Or maybe her body is currently in starvation mode thanks to her extreme diets.

Sweet Jesus! Two of the most autistic boards combined in this thread! This shit should be archived.

>>4843131

She can't count calories and vastly overestimates her exercise. See here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084

Granted, she may not be "obese," but most people who claim that they're diet resistant don't count calories or exercise well.

>>4843164
1000kcal simply isn't enough to fuel a 10mile run and enable her brain to function, let alone keep her immune system and homeostasis and other stuff running.

>>4843164
starvaton mode is bro science