/sci/ - Science & Math

math is a human construct, we do not understand math as the creator of the universe and the laws of physics understood it.

OP, you are far too small-minded. The unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics *is* the message.

If there is such a message, it's not for us, and we wouldn't recognize it if we saw it.

>>4811396

The scary thing is, who would it be for?

http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0510102

>>4811435

The more I think about it CMBR would be a perfect medium for a message. Thanks for the link, reading it now.

Once you we get to 10^20 digits of pi we will find long chains of binary code. Using base 11 we will find that the numbers stop varying and start producing one long string of 0's and 1's.

The strings length will be the product of 11 prime numbers. The 1's and 0's will form a rasterized circle, a signature incorperatd into the universe itself, when organized as the square of specific dimensions.

>>4811510

Wait, is this real

>>4811514

Have we gotten to 10^20 digits of pi yet?

...fucking scrubs

>>4811514

Yep. Were not entirely sure why the rasterized circle is imbedded into the universe, it may just be a statistical anomaly, but interesting none the less.

any secrete message would probably be here

>>4811514

>>4811548
Wait wtf source right now

>>4811510
Link to further readings?

I would make something NOT make sense at all.

They would just have to find out what is the thing that doesn't make sense at all (in physics/cosmology)

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>>4811571
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>>4811514
Is this the new "btw I'm a girl"?

>>4811585
Eh, benefit of the doubt.

>>4811597

How is that even comparable?

>>4811361
>If you wanted to leave some message in the laws of physics where would you put it?

I wouldn't.

I would make the laws of physics perfectly simple and intuitive to human-like intelligences of approximately 1916-era technological and scientific development. Math would just be fucking math; I wouldn't toy around with leaving messages embedded in the transcendental numbers, or any of that shit.

If I interacted with human-like intelligences during their most primitive times, I would teach them writing, and give them the continued fraction sequence for <span class="math">e[/spoiler] (IE, <span class="math">[2;~1,~2,~1,~1,~4,~1,~1,~6,~1,~1,~8,~1,~1,~10&#4
4;~1...][/spoiler]), but refuse to tell them what the significance of <span class="math">e[/spoiler] was, and demand that they figure it out themselves.

I would also give them a poetic description of creation, with much greater allegorical accuracy than the one which exists in Genesis.

>>4811361
>If you wanted to leave some message in the laws of physics where would you put it?

I wouldn't.

I would make the laws of physics perfectly simple and intuitive to human-like intelligences of approximately 1916-era technological and scientific development. Math would just be fucking math; I wouldn't toy around with leaving messages embedded in the transcendental numbers, or any of that shit.

If I interacted with human-like intelligences during their most primitive times, I would teach them writing and basic math, and give them the continued fraction sequence for <span class="math">e[/spoiler] (IE, <span class="math">[2;~1,~2,~1,~1,~4,~1,~1,~6,~1,~1,~8,~1,~1,~10&#
44;~1][/spoiler]), but refuse to tell them what the significance of <span class="math">e[/spoiler] was, and demand that they figure it out themselves.

I would also give them a poetic description of creation, with much greater allegorical accuracy than the one which exists in Genesis.

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>>4811683
Why e?

>>4811361
>If you wanted to leave some message in the laws of physics where would you put it?

I wouldn't.

I would make the laws of physics perfectly simple and intuitive to human-like intelligences of approximately 1916-era technological and scientific development. Math would just be fucking math; I wouldn't toy around with leaving messages embedded in the transcendental numbers, or any of that shit.

If I interacted with human-like intelligences during their most primitive times, I would teach them writing and basic math, and give them the continued fraction sequence for <span class="math">e[/spoiler] (IE, [2; 1, 2, 1, 1, 4, 1, 1, 6, 1, 1, 8, 1, 1, 10, 1...]), but refuse to tell them what the significance of <span class="math">e[/spoiler] was, and demand that they figure it out themselves.

I would also give them a poetic description of creation, with much greater allegorical accuracy than the one which exists in Genesis.

>>4811691
>Why e?

Because it is the most important transcendental number other than <span class="math">\pi[/spoiler]; and I don't think they would need any help discovering the significance of <span class="math">\pi[/spoiler]. By telling them about <span class="math">e[/spoiler] before they've discovered it, I prove my legitimacy as a god; but by withholding the reasons for its significance, I avoid giving "spoilers", or relieving them of the need to find things out for themselves.

Also, it is the only transcendental number I've ever heard of that has an infinite known pattern in its continued fraction form.

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You are the universe experiencing itself. The question is: where did YOU leave it?

By the way, since pi have infinite digits you can find any sequence you want if you search long enough.

Someday mankind will find a strange message hidden in the universe and after many studies they finally translate it to human scale: "Best before 1 billion of years while it is still hot"

This sounds strange however the estimated amount of neurons in the human brain is strikingly close to the amount of stars in our solar system.

Also seeing as everything is at least .00000001% subjective (in my opinion), we should know that what we see isn't always whats real. I think this because the human mind has a speed limit for the info it can process, and the Universe does not. (unless you count the speed of light, this is not even comparable to the physical ability of our mind)

>>4811560
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>>4811805
>This sounds strange however the estimated amount of neurons in the human brain is strikingly close to the amount of stars in our solar system.

>there is one neuron in the human brain

>>4811819
He used himself as example

Some say that the Universe is flat... maybe that is the message! Flat is good! Flat is delicious! Flat is the best!

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>>4811837
What would a hyperbolic girl look like? Hm...

>>4811805

>adding a message in a human brain, 0.00000001% of the universe has the same brain structure

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>>4811844
That could be the waist curve!

>>4811844
Maybe like this?

>>4811861
thorus universe!

I fucking love space colonies designs like the one in the OP's pic.

>>4811907

Me too, thanks for posting that one.

>>4811910

>mfw there was a startbar in that shot and I didn't even realize it

The ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter is pi.
Is this not a profound and useful thing? What kind of message did you mean?

>>4811914
Something like "Hey, it's me, God/the universe/FSM. The point of life isn't math sciences. You gotta investigate the mind. Otherwise, keep up the good work. I mean, if you found this, your civilization has to be in a good state, right?"

>>4811939
this

>>4811907
im commander anon, and this is my favorite post in this /sci thread

op's idea is no better than religion.

>>4811956
i understand your viewpoint, but i disagree.
religion is based on faith, which has absolutely no physical data to back it up

many mathematical models and concepts rely on empirical data and much more "concrete" evidence

If there is a real path to a real ultimate intelligence then it will be (a) 100% compatible with empirical reality (allowing for our current understanding to be a self-consistent subset of any larger empirically verified reality) and (b) will be found by the application of logic and experimentation to reality, not to the addled thinking of illiterate goat herders.

>>4811961
any 'hidden message' you may find assumes the existence a mindful purpose/creator. you may infer a 'hidden message' from chaos because of how subjective the brain is(think of seeing clouds as objects) but it doesn't prove the purpose/creator. the only way believing a hidden message exists without using faith is if we can prove the existence of a mindful purpose/creator of our universe.

>>4811993

>>>/x/

The Mandelbrot is life. Universes working together to make universes.

>>4812004

Don't be so close minded, this could be a simulation as well, it doesn't have to be a "god like" being that created it.

yes, and the message is: pay your denbts :DD

0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55...

>>4811396

That gave me chills, well done.

>>4812803
Most likely we are living in a simulation. For every real universe there are many simpler simulations. Only in our primitive civilization there are millions of simulated worlds, be it for study, educational or just for fun.

>>4812960
>most likely
At this point anything is a likelihood, not just crappy simulation theory.

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>>4812965

Image too big
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2223

It's in our dna.

I don't think there could be messages in fundamental mathematical laws.

Go to a different universe pi will still be pi and e will still be e because there is only one way to draw all points on a plane equal distant from a central point or the limit of compound interest.

Hiding code in those numbers is impossible because the numbers are in no ways plastic.

So if there's code embedded in the universe it's in an aspect of nature that's malleable, like perhaps the junk data of DNA or maps of pulsars or something.

>>4812979
>Go to a different universe pi will still be pi and e will still be e because there is only one way to draw all points on a plane equal distant from a central point or the limit of compound interest.
Only if their geometry were similar to ours

>>4812979

So closed-minded bro

The universe *is* the message because God is the universe.

WE APOLOGISE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE

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>>4811837
I like where this thread is going. unfortunately google images doesn't find anything for "hyperbolic girl".

>MFW Newton wasted a shit ton of his life looking for hidden messages in the bible.

Why would ou do that to science, man, we could have been so much more with your undivided attention...

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>>4811910
dude that was desktop for months!

Fuck the universe and any messages it may have, I'm posting more space colonies.