/sci/ - Science & Math

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>>>/diy/239782

lol who made a thread about this?

[citation needed]

Good luck with that...

here are some moar sources.

www.naturalnews.com/027857_mistletoe_cancer.html
www.bmj.com/content/333/7582/1282.full
www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/12/09/mistletoe-the-natural-cure-cancer.html
www.independent.co.uk/news/druids-offer-up-cancer-cure-as-mistletoe-bestows-kiss-of-life-1527183.htm
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www.drleonardcoldwell.com/2010/05/04/mistletoe-cures-cancer-of-woman-in-england/
www.plant-lore.com/news/mistletoe-can-cure-cancer/
www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/mistletoe/patient/page1/AllPages/Print
www.naturalnews.com/033757_cannabis_oil_cancer_cure.html
www.squidoo.com/hemp-oil-cancer-cure
www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q12012/does-marijuana-cure-cancer617/
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cUC8tjoB_0
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGrMPvneCGw&feature=related
www.naturalnews.com/027088_cancer_laetrile_cure.html
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread648026/pg1

>>4800964
God dammit fix the fourth line

OP, do a controlled double blinded study

see if works

publish result

>>4800973
get me patients.
i tried contacting the daily mail
FAGGOTS DIDNT RESPOND FUCK THEM

>www.bmj.com/content/333/7582/1282.full
"Many clinical studies of mistletoe exist, but their findings are inconsistent. Most of them are methodologically weak, and the less rigorous they are the greater the likelihood of a positive result."

>www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/mistletoe/patient/page1/AllPages/Print
"Mistletoe extract has been shown to kill cancer cells in the laboratory and to affect the immune system. However, there is limited evidence that mistletoe's effects on the immune system help the body fight cancer (see Question 2 2 and Question 3 3)."

I didn't even bother reading the other sources because they're non-peer-reviewed news outlets. The only two reputable sources in that list say flat-out that mistletoe is inconclusive as a cancer drug. They offer no biochemical mechanism for its action nor any convincing statistics.

Also: anyone who claims that they've developed a cancer panacea doesn't understand cancer biology. Saying you have a cure for cancer is like saying you have one antidote that will work for every poison on earth.

>>4800985
>>4800955
Mistletoe extract has been shown to kill cancer cells in the laboratory and to affect the immune system

you seriously think this is inconclusive?
that it has been SHOWN TO KILL CANCER CELLS?
in the laboratory.

thats inconclusive for you?
dont make me insult you
MAN UP SON

>>4800985
>Also: anyone who claims that they've developed a cancer panacea doesn't understand cancer biology. Saying you have a cure for cancer is like saying you have one antidote that will work for every poison on earth.

I've yet to see the OP of the /diy/ thread dispute this part.

>>4800985

thanks for quick and logical refutation. nothing more to see here, just placebos.

>>4800985

>Saying you have a cure for cancer is like saying you have one antidote that will work for every poison on earth.

most ppl don't know this, they think cancer is one specific thing lol

it's more like the common cold, a general name we give to flu-like viruses and bacterias

>>4800985
Yeah, phrases like 'Cure for cancer!' are saved for the media.

god those agents just auto-failed themselves.
it says it kills cancer cells, and they are trying to make it like it doesnt work lololololol

the ammount of owned.

op here, i dont care, if it will help SOME PEOPLE, its enough reason for me to share whoever made this poster.
if it helps SOME PEOPLE, why not share and make more people try, instead of dieing?

>>4800988

but the laboratory results say its inconclusive because the experiments were full of errors/weaknesses

can't you read your own links? you can prove anything with weak experiments

>>4800988
well, you know, fire can kill cancer cells in the laboratory, so can bleach, but it's not very helpful.

Wait until OP starts ranting about his "151 books"

http://www.troysilkroad.com/herba/

>>4800988
Know what else kills cancer cells, asshat? Gamma rays. Hammers. Pure ethanol. Know what else those things kill? normal human cells. The point of a cancer drug is to a) kill fast-dividing cells (cancer cells undergo Warburg metabolism) or b) target malignant cells. Mistletoe is not an effective anticancer drug.

thanks for posting those 151 books.
let people read about herbalism.

>>4801003
it is effective, read the links i provided and shut your baby mouth.
READ THE LinKS.
hurrduuurr theyr not doctor/legit

the point is, you can troll all you want agents.
im merely spamming 4chan to make more people know.
you cant do anything to stop me.
your cities will be plastered with this wallpaper
and you cant do anything to stop it.

>OP has cancer
>OP is trying to induce a strong placebo effect in himself by spamming this poster everywhere

you just have to BELIEVE

>>4801009
ahahaahha no, ive actually cured cancer.
with guess what. mistletoe

>>4801005
you're wrong OP, the cure for cancer is coffee enemas and raw food diet. mistletoe is TOXIC

>>4801010

>>4801005
Its effectiveness was limited and inconclusive in vitro. Translation for those of you who don't know shit about cancer biology: it will never work in real life. In vitro cultures and the human body are very different environments. I can kill cancer cells in vitro with tiny bullets made of depleted uranium, but is that a good anticancer treatment? no.

>>4800998
>>4801008
look, I am TOTALLY FINE with running tests on this shit. Seriously, I am. Any hope for cancer drugs is good hope. The problem is that this has been tested and has failed to provide good results. Why beat a dead horse?

>>4801010
Anecdotal evidence proves nothing. Go do a rigorous study.
>>4801014
don't do coffee enemas. those kill people.

>>4801020
coffee enemas only killed because some crazy did 100 a day and lost all her electrolytes

enemas do not kill

mistletoe kills though

>>4801017
i will stop beating a dead horse when we test it on suffering people and see how well it works.
FIND ME A PATIENT.
btw im op

show me how you know that it wont work on people even though worked for me and others.
i will repeat again
the woman used a mistletoe injection to kill her cancer in her leg.

what can you not believe?

>>4801023
http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD003297/mistletoe-treatment-in-cancer-patients

>>4801023
We can tell who OP is by your writing style, all lowercase, periods, and random caps.

>>4801023

I know a woman who injected mistletoe in her toes. She now has cancer instead of toes.

We can all make up anecdotal evidence.

>>4801028
only that the above poster provided scientific article as proof.
you mad?
people in europe are using mistletoe to cure cancer.
why are you so mad?
that people are healthy
does it grind your gears?

>>4801023
>FIND ME A PATIENT.
okay.

>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15456952
"In conclusion, mistletoe extract does not seem to be active in metastatic colorectal cancer resistant to 5FU/LCV in terms of objective tumor response."

>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12949804?dopt=Abstract&access_num=12949804&link_type=
MED
"None of the methodologically stronger trials exhibited efficacy in terms of quality of life, survival or other outcome measures. Rigorous trials of mistletoe extracts fail to demonstrate efficacy of this therapy."

>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11165126
"We conclude that the used mistletoe preparation has no indication in the adjuvant treatment of patients with head and neck cancer."


Is that good enough for you?

>>4801030
>http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD003297/mistletoe-treatment-in-cancer-patients

"The review found that there was not enough evidence to reach clear conclusions about the effects on any of these outcomes and it is therefore not clear to what extent the application of mistletoe extracts translates into improved symptom control, enhanced tumour response or prolonged survival."

Just because people in Europe do it doesn't mean it does any good. Clearly you didn't read that poster's link.

>>4801033
im sorry man, there are articles claiming it cures.
there are articles claiming it doenst.
i believe your articles are written by doctors who lie on purpose.

find me a patient willing to try, its not that hard.
and we will both record the results
i will talk with him via skype/email and instruct him and watch his condition.

i think its a good idea?

>>4801033

Aside bullshit, what do you think in general about recent therapeutic ati-cancer vaccine research? Seems like this could be useful tool in treating certain types of cancer.

>>4801030
God Dammit OP, I'm trying to help you convey your message and you keep using language like that. If you cut out the shit and typed professionally, people will be more willing to listen to you.

>>4801050
i will try. do you wish to join my cause?
cancer curing is just the start for warmup.
whats you email/skype?

im usually more inteligent, always doing experiments, but these people are driving me insane

>>4801045
Use proper capitalization, and stop hitting enter every sentence.

>>4801045
why do you think all these doctors lie on purpose?

>>4800955
THIS THREAD GAVE ME CANCER!

=
>>4801051
if it works great! i just care that people learn and know more.
and that we test and find easy working cures for every sickness.

>>4801045
>im sorry man, there are articles claiming it cures.
I haven't seen you post a single rigorous study supporting the use of mistletoe extract in decreasing tumor size and/or stopping metastasis.
>i believe your articles are written by doctors who lie on purpose.
>believe
And I can believe the exact same thing as you. So where does belief get us here?
>find me a patient willing to try, its not that hard. and we will both record the results
There are over 50 willing patients' experiences recorded in those studies I posted. I don't think you can study 50 patients at once with the degree of care that those doctors did.

>>4801060
did you see the links i posted?
did you see the links other posted?
did you see the woman that cured her cancer with a mistletoe injection?
how can you deny that?
how can you say IT DIDNT HAPPEN?
do you want to contact the woman and ask her?
do you want ME to contact her?

even if i have to shake you by the shoulders i will awake you.

>>4801052
Let's go back to the start of the /diy/ thread and see if your demeanor or typing style changed. It did not. You started this crusade presenting yourself in such a way that people will immediately brush away your ideas. You can do this, just don't look like what the rest of us see as how an underage b& would type. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

>>4801051
I think it's a great field of research. The only problem is that it's pretty limited in its scope - not many cancers are viral.

>>4801067
she took mistletoe, and she got cured. no one denies this.

but we don't know if the mistletoe did it, or whether she'd have recovered anyway, or something else cured her. so we reproduce what happened and see if it works again.

so far it doesn't seem to.

>>4801063
all i am giving you is a poster.
there are tens of other people spreading it.
you will not accept the written information because you think my grammar sounds like a kid?
have you stopped to think that i am not from america?
that people dont write perfect grammar?
i dont care what you think of, dont derail about my grammar.
as long as you see the poster, my job is done.

>>4801067
This is /sci/ one piece of anecdotal evidence won't work here.

>>4801067
>did you see the links i posted?
yes, and I pulled quotes from them showing that even the doctors who administered the tests were doubtful about the study's efficacy.
>did you see the links other posted?
I'm the only other one who's been posting links.
>did you see the woman that cured her cancer with a mistletoe injection?
No, I haven't seen her at all, nor have I seen documentation of her cure, nor have I seen that cure reproduced in a study.
>how can you deny that?
>how can you say IT DIDNT HAPPEN?
How can you say that the studies I posted are wrong if you yourself invoke these kinds of logical fallacies?
>do you want to contact the woman and ask her?
>do you want ME to contact her?
I would love that.
>even if i have to shake you by the shoulders i will awake you.
k

>>4801071
First, it's called devil's advocate. Second, it's not your grammar, it's your angry and desperate tone.

>>4800955
yes, we do, because she didnt use chemo.
and she isnt the only one that recovered.
she said it herself.
enough people and even doctors say mistletoe works.
and thats not the only cure
there is marijuana, there is red clover and many more cures

as long as it helps SOME PEOPLE, my job is done letting them know, and saving lifes.
if i can help 1 out of 100 to survive cancer, ive done good.

whats wrong with that man? tell me whats wrong?
am i telling people to ingest dangerous ammount of cyanide or mistletoe? no.

>>4801076
>enough people and even doctors say mistletoe works.

but you said doctors are liars

>>4801076
>am i telling people to ingest dangerous ammount of cyanide or mistletoe? no.
Let me respond with something you've already read:
>>>/diy/239935

Also, what's your obsession with being American or not?

>>4801078
some of them yes? in fact most of them

ok i got tired.
just wanna let you know one last time.
my job is to make people KNOW ABOUT THIS.
even if it helps some people my job is done.

to all the people who make fun of this and insult this, you deserve no life, you are filth to the human race, feel shame.

expect your board and cities to be spammed by other posters too. this is only the begging
i hope you enjoy it

>>4801078
No, only the doctors I quote are liars. A very important and strong distinction!

(Just don't tell him that I disproved him using information from studies that he cited himself)

>>4801085
how do you know if they're lying or not?

I have heard a few interesting albeit dubious and un-proven ideas.

I remember reading about curing stomache cancer by developing a bacterial infection in the tumor/cancer, thus triggering an immune response against the area, killing the cancer.

Also the reasoning behind marijuana is some what interesting. All cells have some kind of life cycle in which they grow and die. Some ingredient in marijauana (perhaps THC) slows that cycle and the cancer growth slows down, as well as the growth of un-cancerous cells.

>>4801070

Yeah, cancer is really random it seems.

Lance Armstrong had cancer in three parts of his body and he took platinum injections and he recovered.

>>4801076
spontaneous remission from cancer does happen, it's not extremely rare.

whenever it happens people say it's because i did this or that. mistletoe, coffee enemas, cannabis oil, etc

there is a way to find out if they're right, it's called a controlled study.

>>4801070
>so we reproduce what happened and see if it works again

But if it doesn't work then you're lying, he said so right here.

>>4801045

You can't use reason with people like this. He doesn't want to find out if it works. He intends to find that it works because he already knows it works because he only believes articles that said it worked.

>>4801088
Exactly! Cisplatin (a platinum-based compound drug) has been used for years to treat cancer because it causes DNA crosslinkage and death in subjected cells. Its anticancer properties are very well understood and very well documented. Mistletoe's anticancer properties have not been documented and are not well understood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisplatin

>>4801097
>not been documented and are not well understood.

Like the existence of tulpas?

>>4801097

I thought the platinum stuff was a fluke.

Okay, so I heard the platinum lance armstrong tale from a visiting MD at my university giving a lecture. Hes kind of famous, his name is David Agus.

I forgot what he said exactly, but I thought he suggested that Lance might have recovered for a reason not even related to the platinum, but something incidentally related to the treatment.

Anyway, the over all point is there is little real understanding in medical science. We find something that surprisingly works and then we retroactively try and explain why it works, but usually we have no idea how or why anything happens the way it does. We just know Lance Armstrong got better when he did the platinum treatment.

Now if we find everyone who does the platinum treatment gets better, that would be amazing. Is that the case?

>>4801103
>I thought the platinum stuff was a fluke.
I'm assuming that Lance's platinum injections were actually cisplatin. Cisplatin has a solid history as a cancer drug and is used quite frequently.
http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2009/MT/b907567d

>I forgot what he said exactly, but I thought he suggested that Lance might have recovered for a reason not even related to the platinum, but something incidentally related to the treatment.
This is certainly possible. Cancer is a funny thing, and his body might have fought it off on its own. But cisplatin has been shown statistically to increase tumor death.

>Anyway, the over all point is there is little real understanding in medical science. We find something that surprisingly works and then we retroactively try and explain why it works, but usually we have no idea how or why anything happens the way it does. We just know Lance Armstrong got better when he did the platinum treatment.
We actually do know how cisplatin works. Our biochemical descriptions of its mechanism are pretty detailed.

>Now if we find everyone who does the platinum treatment gets better, that would be amazing. Is that the case?
that would be pretty crazy and/or impossible. There are too many causes of cancer for there to be one single all-powerful cancer drug. But some drugs (like cisplatin) work on a good percentage of cancers.

Hah. OP abandoned and now there's an actual discussion happening. Nice, /sci/.

op here let them talk all they want.
thats all their good for.
while im busy making experiments with herbs everyday
all they do is criticize and be FAGGOTS.

and hey not all my experiments are success.
eyebright doesnt seem to cure eyesight or that bitch at the store made a mistake again.

>>4801117

Are you actually doing research? Because that would be great if you were.

>>4801122
>>4801117

OP, feel free to do research. Just make sure you
-use a control group
-use a statistically significant number of patients
-administer your treatment in a standardized way
-characterize your findings rigorously
-get your findings peer-reviewed
-don't kill or disable anyone

>>4801122
yea i am on some herbs and other stuff.
wanna chat? skype/email?

dandruff got cured, i made all herbal shampoo
cancer seems to be cured for most people i hear
still having trouble making easy to use toothpaste
eyebright doesnt seem to work.
turmeric worked on a fat cyst i had

tell me your skype/email and i will find you, i can use your help.

>>4801131
im not a doctor, i cant possible do this.
even if i find some people and document it you still wont believe me.
i will help anyone i can.

>>4801132
No one's gonna put their skype or email publicly on 4chan.

>>4801132
curing dandruff isn't anything like curing cancer. Dandruff isn't even a disease. it's just an overabundance of scalp shedding.
>>4801135
I will believe you if you can provide me with rigorous, standardized results, whether or not you have an MD. That is the bar that every other doctor or scientist in the world must jump over - so you have no reason to complain.

OP thinks emotional appeals are a replacement for scientific experiments. Show me a triple blind study testing the hypothesis that mistletoe is more effective than chemotherapy and I'll believe, otherwise, fuck off. That being said, I think we can do alot better than chemotherapy and radiation as treatments for cancer. Marijuana has been approved for used in cancer patients.
I think that what OP fails to realize is that there is no cure for cancer, nor will there ever be. The more we study it, the more we find out that cancer takes many different forms and affects different people in different ways.

>>4801132
>>4801135

>Dandruff cured

Just taking stuff is not informative. Valjean is right in that you dont know anything unless you have done some serious controls and observations.

I guess you cant possibly do a legitimate study, but then you cant really make definitive statements either. Life is hard.

But dont get me wrong, anecdotes are cool. I can respect your beliefs in this stuff. I share your interest in these cancer cures. However we dont really know anything. Taking a bunch of herbs doesnt prove anything.

I have no problem exchanging email, however I am not sure why you are interested in communicating with me.

>>4801134

I have done it like a million times and I am happy to say I havent regretted it.

>>4801135
i am doctor
i cant possible use correct punctuation
cant capitalize neither
this why can no get publish into science journal

>>4801148
other doctors no like caveman doctor's bone tools
caveman doctor can no get people to eat his berries
caveman doctor just want to help

>>4801148
is okay you cant caps right
in not merica no any one uses caps
only for rage

Alright. I already despise all fast food and never touch sugar substitutes. What else should I do?

>>4801196
-don't smoke
-exercise a decent amount (with a focus on cardio)
-sleep 8+hrs/night
-drink >2L h20/day
-wear sunscreen
-don't live near a power plant or chemical manufacturing facility

It's basic stuff, really.

I am super paranoid of sun screen. I suspect that it causes cancer.

I remember doing some wikipedia persusing about the ingredients of sun screen. All the chemicals seemed under researched and/or cancer causing.

>>4801221
you have to SLATHEr poison oak/ivy slime
works better than the corporate sun lotion

>>4801204
The only one I do right is the last one.
lol fuck guess im gonna die from metastases invading my entire body, oh well

Mistletoe is actually sold commercially in Europe under the name Iscador. Don't know about its efficacy though.

If you're prepared to fight cancer the alternative way (because sometimes that's the only option left), I can say from personal experience that there's one thing that really seems to prolong life and improve well-being, and there's one thing that you should absolutely avoid. The first is a strong vitamin regimen, something like Linus Pauling and Abram Hoffer came up with, and the second is starving/fasting.

>>4801221
Some definitely do. The problem with sunscreens is that UV-absorbing compounds are usually dangerous to humans because they have conjugated systems (e.g. benzene). But a lot of them have been tested and are regarded as safe enough (e.g. PABA, zinc/titanium colloids). And, IMO, the benefits of wearing sunscreen outweigh the possible risks. Skin cancer is common in my family.

>>4801235
Link to the vitamin mix?

>>4801235

Yeah.

I actually got a really bad sun burn a few weeks ago. Probably should have worn sun screen.

It seems like one time exposure to sun screen is the best option. But I bet you also deny your body the signals it needs to enact defensive measures. If you arent being exposed to UV you arent producing melanin.

Or thats at least my understanding. I could be wrong.

>>4801243
Some UV exposure is necessary. But that amount is pretty small, and you can probably make do with what comes through the sunscreen. (this is my theory, don't quote me on it)
>>4801231
I can see how fasting would be effective. Cancer cells lose the ability to perform oxidative phosphorylation when they mutate and perform something called Warburg metabolism instead. Basically, they get energy solely from glycolysis. This process is super inefficient, so they need a lot of glucose - so much more than regular cells that we can actually ID cancer cells within someone's body by tracking glucose uptake. Fasting would decrease available glucose and would probably hit cancer cells harder than normal cells which can still use their mitochondria. Just a thought.

op here, you will never catch me wearing sun screen.
fuck that.
i also see no point in fasting.

i cant make you believe me, i just want more people to say "hey this seems interesting better read about it, since i dont have any other way to cure my cancer, why not try it"

>>4801268

>I see no point in fasting

Well it could cure cancer. Thats one reason.

>i just want more people to say "hey this seems interesting better read about it, since i dont have any other way to cure my cancer, why not try it"

I think we are all interested in it.

>>4801268
>i cant make you believe me, i just want more people to say "hey this seems interesting better read about it, since i dont have any other way to cure my cancer, why not try it"

If anyone wants to read about it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15456952

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12949804?dopt=Abstract&access_num=12949804&link_type=MED

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11165126

http://ar.iiarjournals.org/content/24/1/303.short

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0944711311800735

http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/8687151/reload=0;jsessionid=1mCOc4tcrhY5Par3sElO.0

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408390591034445

http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/11347286

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022534705648343

Some of these studies indicate that mistletoe could be good for cancer patients, but the vast majority (all but 2) don't. Just saying.

>>4801285
so whats better, leaving cancer patients to help themselves and to die, or giving them something that may work, since they dont have any options.

its either death for them or a chance to not ide.

what do you think?

>>4801255

Yup, that's the theory but a week of fasting (a la 6-week Breuss diet) brought my father to the brink of death. After putting him back on a vitamin regimen he was like a man reborn and lived another 5 months. Limiting glucose intake is nevertheless critical, of course. He eliminated all sugar from his diet except for some fruit.

>>4801237

You were probably answering to my post. I can't find a good link now, and don't have books near me, but you can perhaps start here: http://www.doctoryourself.com/hoffer_cancer_2.html.. In addition to Hoffer, Kedar Prasad and Ralph Moss offer similar supplement programs.

>>4801302
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

I bet there's a study that says mistletoe causes cancer somewhere.

>>4801307

Thats interesting.

I wonder what the practical different is between fasting with a diet of fruit and vegetables, and limiting calorie intake and just taking a bunch of vitamins.

I had some surgery on my jaw once that left me on a liquid diet for a month. Pretty crazy experience.

Every day I would grind up nuts and mix it with milk, and then eat (very carefully) a single grilled cheese sandwich. The effect of severe calorie restriction is pretty incredible.

>>4801302
>since they dont have any options.
why do they have no other options? there are lots of good chemotherapy drugs out there besides your mistletoe-alcohol mess.

I had a guy on a bus tell me something like this.
"there's a crystal called sodium chloride. You mix it in a 50 50 solution with water and then mix it with citric acid to make a 50 50 solution and when you drink that your body will be flooded with oxygen and you'll be cured of anything"

Nigger didn't know what sodium chloride was. He bought it "online" for a huge fucking price.

Salty orange juice. Fucking cures everything.

>>4801331

Haha..

I remember during high school my health teacher was all about this oxygenated water crap.

There are a million reasons why oxygenated water does nothing at all.

>>4801324
good chemo? please dude, chemo has been around for 20 years and more.
they collect cancer treatment charity money every year but dont invest in any new cures, because they cant.
oh and guess what try www.rexresearch.com
there are cancer cures there too, with lots of scientific proof.

>>4801341
I hate that term "cancer cure" because it's generally used by people who don't understand what cancer is.

>>4801344

Yeah.

I have used the term in this thread and I felt uncomfortable doing so.

I guess "treating cancer" is a better term.

>>4801341
>they collect cancer treatment charity money every year but dont invest in any new cures, because they cant.
allofmywut.tiff
Go talk to my cancer biology prof, broski. She's got people invested in her new treatment at the moment, as do thousands of other cancer researchers. And just because chemo is old doesn't mean it isn't effective - it's still used to successfully kill tumors on a regular basis. In fact, it's MORE effective than it used to be.

>>4801344
this.