/sci/ - Science & Math

If you're going into mathematics for the money, you're doing it wrong.

Get a graduate degree in statistics.

If you have any business background you can be an actuary, personal financial advisor, financial analyst, etc. Math majors don't make great money, average salary for those jobs is ~$80,000 I believe.
Also, what is that Joseph Decreux pic referring to?

>>4770299
Like a Boss.

If you are a filthy money-grubbing jew you should be doing engineering.

>>4770303
Engineering doesn't make much money though. The starting salary is nice but you cap off at under 6 figures really fast. Overrated career.

>>4770305
Ah, I should have seen that.

>>4770299
Ah I should have seen this coming. It seems like the only way to really make money nowadays is through finance and business but I see no integrity in those fields and actually detest them to some degree.

I hear the actuary field is quite difficult to break into though. Isn't it like 6-10 years of exams before you become fully-fledged? Are personal financial advisors or financial analysts any easier to get into?

>>4770320
Financial analyst, but not by a whole lot. You won't be able to become a personal finance advisor right after you graduate, you'll need some experience first. Financial analysts don't necessarily make more even before a personal finance advisor can start, well, advising, but they do get to enter their field immediately.

The PhD thing isn't even remotely accurate. PhD's are terrible for lucrative purposes.

>>4770296
What does this open up? Masters or PhD?

>>4770308
That's the point. To keep your Jewry off the riches.

>>4770327
What do the salaries look like for these careers?

>>4770340
Well, you shouldn't look for a job based on salary, but whatever.
Personal Financial Advisors make $69,000 annually on average. Financial Analysts make $74,000 annually average.

>>4770344
That's definitely true but I feel like it is an important aspect of choosing a career to go into that shouldn't be ignored.

The plan is to apply to internships and see how much I enjoy the field and salary is a nice way to figure out which internships to apply to.

I might be overestimating the amount Americans make on average but those seem like some pretty pedestrian numbers. I was hoping for something in six figures range but that is starting to look bleak.

>>4770357
If you're only a sophomore, it really isn't too late to switch. Take up something more lucrative if that's what you're really interested in.

>>4770357
Your career is going to become a big part of your life. Arguably most of it. You shouldn't get into doing something that you don't really have your heart in at all just for the money or you'll burn out a handful of years into it or just overall be unfulfilled. Many of these careers pay well enough that you can live off.

>>4770375
>>4770361
Nah, math is my true academic love and I'm not into money that much. Just trying to see what my options are.

I know my parents aren't the end all of things but they don't know much about the country and earning average because they're immigrants and want me to make a lot of money because we're dirt poor as of now. They're really pushing for me to become a doctor but I really have no interest in the medicine field, so I'm trying to find another lucrative potential job to look into and appease them.

Who the fuck doesn't think 60k is an amazing salary?

>>4770383
Jews like OP.

>>4770383
When you take into account that 1/3 of it will be sapped by taxes and cost of living in areas like nyc being astronomical, it doesn't actually seem that good.

>>4770386
Purely out of genuine curiosity, above what number would you say is a "good" salary?

i think 100k job is shit. i think its decent. thats why im going to pharmacy school. even though its super boring atleast ur getting paid decent. and good luck supporting a family off 60 k lol

>>4770387
Cost of living is usually reflected in your salary. So if a job on average pays $60k, you can usually expect it to average out to more in a place like nyc. Of course that depends on the job and the market, but it's a good principle to go by.

>wanting to be an employee

" The real median earnings of men who worked full time, year-round climbed between 2006 and 2007, from $43,460 to $45,113 (about 3.6 time minimum wage in 2006 to 3.7 time minimum wage in 2007)"

So there you have it. Average man makes around 45k. Look how much the ordinary man is struggling right now. Is 60k really going to cut it in this economy?

>>4770403
this is an all-or-nothing economy.
people making $30k are living just fine.
it's the people making $0k that are having problems.

only way to make it by is having 100k job. its still a shit salary tbh but you are able to support a family of 4 relitivly decent.

>>4770405
Not true. My family is raking in a whopping 13k a year right now total and we're getting by fine due to government programs. And because my family is so poor, I'm currently on a full ride at a top 20 college from a bunch of government scholarships.

The economy screws not the poor as many makes it seem but rather the middle class.

>>4770383
no shit. struggling musician/student here, making under 20k per year. 60k isn't enough?
...fuck you.

>>4770407
I'm not sure we have a middle class anymore in the US.

I can qualify for most welfare programs while making $44k with my family of four. Free medical, dental, food stamps, free school lunches, help with the electric bill, whatever.

Poverty is now set high enough that breaking out of it makes you almost wealthy.

>>4770409
lol there is your problem right their. musician. get a real job

even if you have a high salary the government takes it all away in taxes. so you then become middle class again.

Ok, a question to everyone in this thread:

What's the lowest salary that you would be 100% comfortable making?

>>4770413
Most wealthy people in the US are business owners, we get taxed at a rate 15% higher than you guys.

however we also make most of our money off of capital gains and equity, and many of our gains are offset by business expenses, so we may make millions that aren't taxed.

tl;dr: Wealthy people don't pay taxes the same way you employees do.

>>4770414
probably 120k
180k as a career max

>>4770414
I haven't paid myself a salary in ten years.
I'm fine with that.

>>4770412
I'm fully aware that "art doesn't pay". But being in a thread for mathematics you'd think one might assume the dispersion of wealth in the music trade to be much more accommodating. A musician is not-either struggling, nor swimming in money, but the average is about 50-60k a year easy. But i digress, My point is obviously lost to you.

>>4770416
pompous dick-hole.

>>4770421
the average merely reflects the 5000 homeless guitarists making nothing to every Bon Jovi making tens of millions.

>>4770422
captain obvious

>>4770423
So ignore all the musicians who become a success? Would you label an individual a mathematician simply because they enjoy FOIL, or would call them as such because they reflect a standard? And you know when a person embodies that definition if you yourself are not also ignorant. So to would i not call a lover of music, (of course the two can coexist) a musician. You're not better than anyone, and nobody is better than you. Define that, and your potential to succeed will skyrocket.

>>4770421
have fun supportign a family off 50-60k a year lol

>>4770432
I'm not saying ignore the successes, merely that music seems a bit like playing the lottery.

you've got a handful of fuckhuge winners and a shitload of completely broke people and relatively few in between.

I'm not the other anon giving you shit though. I don't care how much you make. I look down on all of /sci/ pretty much equally.

>>4770433
Already doing it under 20k with no help from the government other than funding for school. I manage my money correctly, i spend wisely, and I save money for emergencies, when tax returns roll around, I take care of necessities, and save the rest. Maybe i tap into it for fun with the family, maybe i continue to save it.
>enjoy three more years of high school lol

>>4770436
>implying im in high school lol. have fun with just getting by pay check to pay check the rest of your life

>>4770438
you seem pretty pissed that someone's doing what they enjoy.

>>4770439
im not lol. just seems like a pretty shitty life to me. id kill myself if i was making 20 k a year to support a family.

I doubt that anyone on /sci/ is supporting a family.

>>4770441
That's good. Your kids will learn that it's ok to kill themselves as well. Hopefully wipe out an entire strain of life that's too weak to survive without its favored comforts.

>>4770443
I'm 40, wife and two kids.
admittedly I rarely hang out on /sci/ though.

>>4770445
i never said i wanted a luxurious life style. i just want a decent life. 100k job will do that. not really though, its not that much if u think about it, but its the best i can do

>>4770441
It is difficult, and suffice to say inconvenient, but I'm also young, and far from homeless/hungry. If it's not for you, then no big, but there is no need to be smarmy. My original point was clearly lost, and ironically proven by your very objection. 20k vs. 60k, is clearly a notable difference, and subject only to perception. Of course, perception was merely the initiator, not the topic of discussion.

>>4770449
I make well over $100k
Most of my life I've made far less than $20k
If I killed myself every time I went broke I'd be dead hundreds of times over by now.

if you kill yourself for making less than $X, or think that you'll always make more than $Y you're not gonna last.

employment doesn't work that way. I've met heart surgeons waiting tables. I know plumbers that are millionaires.

you're young, you're stupid, and with any luck you're trolling

>>4770449

>100k job will do that.
If you're not a dumbass with your money, so will 20k.
My fiance and I get by perfectly fine on 20k, with practically no government aid (mainly because, for some reason, I maintain some twisted notion of "pride"), and we still have plenty for hobbies, vacations, etc.

If you get a master's from Harvard/Princeton/Wharton/Cambridge/Oxford (those 5 and ONLY those 5), investment banks, buyout shops and hedge funds will actively recruit you for internships in your penultimate year, and for permanent jobs (assuming you did well) in your final year of your degree.

My starting salary (at 22 years old) was £140K + a bonus (which turned out to be over £600K). I've been at the same hedge fund for about 2 years now and the pay only ever goes up. Into academia after a few years so I can live a comfortable life but still feel fulfilled.

>>4770454
right now im in school so i dont make shit. thats why by going to school i wont have some shitty job the rest of my life. the starting salary for me would be 80 k i think and i still think thats a shit salary. idk why

Most people in this thread are fucktarded.
Any salary $60k annually and above with let you live a comfortable life (unless you associate comfortable with something above middle class). An $80k salary is not "shit," it's great and you can easily support a family of four on it, buy many luxury items, and go on a lot of vacations if you don't act completely autistic with it.
tl;dr $60k+ is a good salary. Even $40k could be comfortable if you spend money wisely.

>>4770468
what exactly did you do? for such a high starting salary with just a degree

>>4770478
40 k a year can support one person. if you have 2 kids. that would roughly cost you 20-25k a year just to support them alone. Then you have a bunch of other stuff like house,car , money for kids college etc. doesnt leave u with alot of money. this is implying if wife doesnt work though. Thats why i think 100 k is not alot of money. cuz after taxes and everything comes down to about 80k or so

You can learn all your life whatever skills you need to make a profit. Math is the most transferable skill because its pretty much universal but then just do Kahn Academy, buy a book etc.

Become the pontifex maximus of a new hip religion.

Just look at the mountains of dough other religions roll in. And it's all tax-free.

>>4770487
Funny how $40k apparently can only support one person, seeing as how it's the income of the average American family.

You can become a grandmaster at chess.

> you can get straight out of college

Lmao. You think you're going to get upper management straight out of college?

College teaches you numbers. Theory. In short, you don't know shit. Nobody is going to waste $100k on some pompous jerkwad that probably skipped 70% of his classes.

Learn to get up in the morning, go to work and be productive. THEN, with maybe 5 to 10 years' worth of experience under your belt, you can consider any salary over $40k.

Welcome to life.

You kids are hilarious. Always bashing business and talking about the "grandeur of science and nature". You do realize that you can appreciate those things without being poor, right? I studied Accounting and Computer Information Systems for my undergraduate studies, graduated with two degrees. I accepted an entry level job at a big 4 accounting firm starting at 57k while I pursued my CPA. Once I got it, I got a 5k raise, and three years after starting, I am sitting at 84k + bonus. After 10 years I'll be looking at partner status (take a look at the salaries and bonuses for equity partners), as I am already a manager in my sector after three years. The point of my post is that if your goal is to earn a great wage, provide a good life for you and your spouse, you don't have to shun "the man". My fiance and i actually just bought a beachfront condo on Clearwater beach in florida after we had put everything back for our 401k's and IRA's. Do something that is of real value to a business such as accounting, and you will be rewarded for it. Businesses couldn't give less of a fuck about your math proofs. Yes, accounting isn't my love, that's why I also threw in a computer degree. Now I'm pursuing an online masters in information security focusing on intrusion detection systems, and I get to continue working while I do it.

Don't forget to grow up at some point, people. Good business skills will take you further than almost anything I can think of.

Also, I recently conducted an IT Risk & Assurance overhaul for SpaceX, where I met Elon Musk and Tom Mueller. Pretty cool shit.

>>4770934
>84k after 3 years
The median earning for a maths major is 80k, that's with a lot of maths majors going into high school teaching...

>>4770934

Thanks for the advice. I know that a lot of the stupid underaged assholes in this thread won't appreciate it, but I do.

>>4770974
You're very welcome. At least someone took something away from it.
>>4770964
Median wages, or median starting wages? Because median wages includes those people who have been working for 20+ years. I certainly view 80+k is pretty damn good.

>>4770876
This nigga...

>>4770407

Fucking THIS.

>300k starting

Are you serious?

Ughh, accounting. That's what I started in, with math being super easy for me and all. Way too boring, too easy. Switched to physics and EE. So much more rewarding. Hoping to make 80k about to start. 70 is probaby the least I'd be happy with.

>>4770934
But you're not doing any science.

hey OP, just got a bugger-all in math my self.

my impressions of the prospects is that you unless you have a good background in cs or you plan to be an actuary, you ought to go get a masters in something. that or a b-ed and be a teacher.

Oh you kids, thinking you're guaranteed a job and 60k starting. Reality: except in rare circumstances, you're looking at ~55k starting IF you get a job (you'll want multiple internships and good grades). Even then, those sorts of salaries are mostly for engineers and business types. Expect less for other occupations.

Methinks you recent grads need to do some research - something you should have learned in the college classes you were supposed to have attended. Engineering degrees are about the only undergrad degree you can expect to average making more than $55k in, and as another poster pointed out, that's nationally, so those in NYC or other major metro areas raise those averages - people in Dallas for instance generally make less because COL is lower. Actuaries can make more than $60k right out of college, but that is not without a caveat - to get to associate actuary, you will need to pass 7 exams over 4-6 years. You are suaully given time off for study, but not always paid time off, so your income will be lower in most cases. And I have PHD goobers begging for $80k right now, because most jobs don't have an inherent need for someone with that level of education for an entry level job - unless you are in academia or a think tank type company, PhD means crap until you prove yourself - there are thousands of of PHD folks who can't make their way anywhere outside of academia, and companies aren't going to pony up just to see if you may be one of them. Same with MBA's - don't get one right out of schol unless you have an exact and known career path that will show immediate benefit. I see tons of people with MBA's that also don't have practical Exp. that think they automatically should get $5-$20k more per year because of the MBA. From a contract and corporate recruiter for fortune 100 companies...

>>4771163
This guy is right. Most of these kids don't even have a concrete idea of what they want to do. Just vague terms of industries. i only expect to make 70-80K because I have put in a lot of various advanced research, been published, and am pursuing a specific graduate program which is tailored exactly to meet the needs of employers offering these positions. Plus, I've been contacting employers to find out how to be the most successful candidate for their position(s) I'm interested in.
If you want more than a median salary, you gotta step your game up as an undergrad.

>>4771104
He doesn't care, no one except a handful of people in /sci/ cares about science. Let those jews alone.

There are no six figure jobs right out of school for the most part. You could do math as an undergrad, then go get a masters in actuarial studies and that might be your best bet at finding a high paying job as soon as possible.

Math researchers/profs don't get paid much. Also, to do this you'll need to get to the PhD level or the job you'll be doing will be shared between engineering majors, comp sci majors, etc. This is pretty much true for any field in the maths and sciences. A biology major can be a lab tech but a real biologist will have a PhD.

I was a physics major and am unemployed currently. The closest I got to a job was an optical engineering position that require me to be away from home 50% of the time and work 60+ hr weeks and that only paid 55k.

I'm finishing up my undergraduate degree in Pure Mathematics. Like some of the others in here, I pursued the degree out of pure love for the subject and I wanted to pursue graduate school in mathematics right afterward.

Due to my family's economic situation, however, I'm not sure if I can attend graduate school. I tutor and teach HS kids on the side and one of my employers told me I can get a job, guaranteed, come the fall once I have my degree with a decent hourly pay(33.34/hr; 12+ hrs a wk). I want to move out on my own and still help my mother with her bills, though. For the summer, she's been supporting me whilst I've been going to school full-time. I spoke with some other undergrads and a good portion of them, unbelievably, are second degree students(going for another BS or BA).

I was wondering:
Should I go for a Masters in Engineering whilst pursuing this teaching job in the fall? My mother and I conversed about it briefly, and she informed me that all of the engineers she knew in her youth were making shitloads of cash. My father works with engineers daily, so he also encourages the career.

What should I do? I'm taking an accounting class and, although the work isn't hard, I don't want to slave away another 2 yrs in a field I absolutely despise. The class is boring as fuck for the most part and I can't stand accounting, in general. I spoke with an engineering adviser at another University and he told me that my mathematics background would be perfect for engineering and that it'd only take about a yr and a half for me to complete another degree(MS in Engineering), if I was full-time beginning from the fall. Any advice at all?? I'm open to anything.

>>4771312
By the way, I'd do mechanical engineering. I don't mind engineering at all, by the way; I just wasn't into the physics so much in my younger years. Over the last year and a half, however, I've developed a very good appreciation of it and that's thanks to my partial diff. eqns course, ODEs, etc.

>>4771312

There is no reason you couldn't go to grad school still. Grad schools pay for your tuition and pay you a stipend. I get 20k a year to study, research and teach a few labs. This will go up to 24k while I work on a dissertation. My point being that it's not out of the question at all.

>>4771325
Yeah, but I'm going for the Masters at the moment. I had a good undergrad GPA, but I want to increase my chances by going for the MA, scoring a 4.0 and then moving forward into a grad school in the top 20. A grad department in math in the top 10 would be amazing, too.

Also, the deadline is too late for me to apply to any PhD grad program. Secondly, I haven't taken/studied for the math subject test GRE yet. I'm planning to start doing so this fall.

To be frank, everything's just bad right now economically. My mother literally just lost her job, my dad is not getting any contracts(he's an architect), and my other family members are pretty much abandoning us(as usual, this is not a new phenomenon). Everyone is looking upon me to make the cash now and, although it's somewhat pressurized, I need to start making some money. I want to help both my mom and dad, whilst I move out and get situated.

I come from an immigrant family, and my mother believes that the present generation(me) should always help the past whilst paving the groundwork for the future.

>>4771325
As such, making anywhere between 20 and 30k isn't really going to do much. As an engineer, I've been told(by profs, colleagues/friends, etc) I could make 50k+, depending on the right firm, contacts, etc.

>>4771342

In that case I think you should probably get a job then and wait for the PhD at a later time.

>>4771346

Yes this is true. I come from a family of engineers and they do in fact make good money. Most of them start out at 40k+ BUT you have to realize they want actual engineering majors. I know because I tried to get a job as an engineer and even though as a physics major I knew what they were doing and how to do it, there were 100 other applicants with actual engineering degrees and who were also licensed.

A masters in math though will put you a level above where I was with just a BSc though. You should certainly look into Lockheed Martin, L3, Raytheon for applied math jobs.

>>4771350
Do I have to take more applied math courses, though? I've yet to take Numerical Analysis. Next semester, do you think I should sign up for Numerical Analysis, Fluid Dynamics and some other hard applied math courses? This would be after obtaining my BSc, by the way.

To be frank, however, my skills in probability/stats are lacking a bit. I'm not bad in them, but I don't feel absolutely comfortable in it. Should I suck it up, study probability hard and just take a position which utilizes it?

>>4771350
Also, thank you so much for the advice. I really appreciate it.

business is only good if you got connections. if you dont have those then no sense going into it. Pharmacists start out at 80k with no experience. which i find a shit salary but owell

>>4771366

Either one of these options would be your best bet. Statistics is used widely in the job market but I don't know if that is the "they are going to hire a PhD statistician for the job" or "lets find an applied math major with stats experience". Either way if you've completed the courses in it and ended up getting a job that uses stats you could learn it on the job.

Numerical analysis is a must have for the applied math market. Everything thats being done is too complicated to figure out perfectly. Instead they use math models and comp simulations to simulate environments. I would also recommend taking fluid dynamics. My uncle works for L3 and does modeling of airflow around aircraft and the one requirement he said above what major you are is that you have experience in numerical analysis and fluid dynamics. In fact the whole field of CFD, computational fluid dynamics, is based on that.

>>4771403
All right, thanks. Next semester, I'll sign up for those courses. It's good to have them in your repertoire, anyway. The only reason I avoided numerical analysis is because my degree favored pure math courses.

>>4771403

This. I have an in at L3, and you would be very appreciated there. Take fluid dynamics. CFD is invaluable at those sorts of jobs.

>>4771202
>Plus, I've been contacting employers to find out how to be the most successful candidate for their position(s) I'm interested in.

how exactly do you do this without seeming like a crawling suck up

>>4771418

Absolutely true. The main reason I didn't get a job with my uncle in Waco or another related job is because I didn't have those 2 courses.

To the engineers in the thread, what exactly do you do?

In my head I picture wind turbines, dams, water treatment plants and bridge building... but is it more like designing machine presses for those little plastic pots that snacks come in?

>>4771398
Business doesn't require connections, at least no more than any other job.

It requires basic social skills, which /sci/ generally lacks.

Well, communicating in such a way as to express your genuine interest in their work, as well as in becoming an employee would be a good start. There's a difference between sucking up, and trying to succeed.

>>4771434

I can tell you what two jobs I interview for did engineering wise.

One of them looked at airflow around aircraft. For instance, military planes with a radar dish on top used to keep track of everyone in air. Before this could be built and flown, engineers needed to take the existing airframe and test that the additional structure would not comprise safety and if it did help find a solution.

The other job was dealing with the missle defense agency. It was an optical engineering job in which the engineers build and mount camera system in aircraft. Then, the engineers flew out the pacific and tracked military missile launches. They used a network of infrared and optical cameras to get a bunch of trajectory information and sent it to the government to be analyzed.

I'm 19 and still haven't gone to Uni. Deciding a major is really stressful because you want to major in something you like and something that pays well otherwise you might as well not go to school because degrees in art, psychology etc don't have jobs.

I was planning on taking Open Studies at a community college (I live in Canada so education isn't too expensive) so I can see what there is out there.

Is it wrong to believe that a lot of majors aren't worth majoring into though?

I plan on taking calculus to see what math engineers use and some computer science courses to see what comp sci is like because I have an interest in computers.

>>4770303
And my engineering he means bank account engineering.

im 20 years old and just starting school. wont graduate till 28 or so. i think its too late for me to go to school so not sure if i should go.

>>4771434

I'm a mechanical engineering intern at a company that makes medical devices, mostly medical film. My work entails automating the hell out of everything. This involves fluid mechanics (coating film), dynamics (determining the speeds etc of actuators/motors), solid mechanics (designing parts not to break), drawing generation, solid modeling, and control systems. Engineers are literally everywhere. We do a very wide range of stuff. The stuff you said is mostly civil engineering.

>>4771476

You'll make more money in the long run.

>>4770876
Ahaha this is so wrong it's almost hilarious.

This thread is hilarious and shows the banality of middle-class, college educated people.

I'd be happy to make just under six figures instead of working my pleb job in Retail.

The only jobs that pay six figures plus are managerial positions in companies or jobs that require 10 years+ experience. Anything less and you should never expect six figures with any major, be it STEM or the humanities.

/welcometoreallife

>>4771447
>>4771481
Thanks. I think it's civil engineering I'm interested- water, sanitation & energy. I read on here that environmental engineering degrees are a gimmick just to attract undergrads. Is it noticeably different to civil engineering? Don't businesses more and more to need to have green credentials?

>>4771481
Jobsatisfaction/10?

>>4771503
a masters or phd in any sort of quantitative field is enough to get you a quant job on wall street which generally runs about 100k starting with an additional 30-50k yearly bonus

have fun being poor though

Where are you on the global pay scale? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17543356

>>4770414
britpleb here. I'd be happy with £30k a year after paying off student debts

>>4771505

Dad's a civil engineer. He does project management now that he's in his 50's and has worked his way up. Masters from UT. He goes out to the construction sites maybe once a week to check up on things. He basically answers emails all day but if something doesn't get done he has to take the shit. Makes a shade under 100k/yr.

He's retired military though so he makes 40k a year just because he worked in the navy for 20yrs.

>>4771514
Does he like his job or does he come home and beat you with ladle?

>>4771507

10. Engineering is awesome.

Ok now I feel like shit after reading this thread. I was under the impressions that 50k isn't hard to come across but I guess I have to lower my expectations.

What's a reasonable salary for someone out of undergrad with a math degree?

>>4771503
Oh boy, looks like another angsty poorfag guys! If you studied harder in school you would realize that most engineering jobs make 60k+, alot near 80k, which in all honesty is nearly 6 figures. With a graduate degree you could make 6 figures.

>>4771535
http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

>>4771487
so its worth it? plus id be like 60-89k in debt after school is done i think which will suck. but starting would be 80k a year. but i dont think i could pay that off in 5 years

>>4771519

Well im 25, married and live 3 yrs away. He's seems happy though when I visit. He goes skiiing every winter and rents out a cabin. He has a huge nice house with a pool, nice car, motorcycle. Goes out on dates with 3 different women per week almost. Sure seems like an awesome life for a 50yr old to me.

>>4771555

You pay it off in 10yrs. And yes everyone does it so it'll be fine. It pays off so much down the line its absolutely worth it. Just don't think of it as you are getting actually training in a job at college. A degree is just basically a check mark on an application saying you are eligible to apply.

>>4771618
yea thats what im worried about. i cant focus on school when i no ill be in debt . but i guess i shouldnt think about it

My dad's a PA (physician assistant) and has been for 10 yrs. (maybe 11, not sure.) He makes $196,000 a year, but works at a private clinic as a contracted worker. This means that he does not get matched retirement, and some other benefits. However, my ma is a nurse at a hospital, so she gets health insurance, thus mitigating that problem. Together, the make upwards of $200,000. Our house in not grandiose, but is nice enough (suburbs, cookie cutter style), we do not live in a city with high living cost (I pay 500 a month for a small house downtown,) and they do not spend their money on stupid shit. They are frugal and smart with their money. However, they have four kids, of which I am the oldest.

TL;DR Dad's a PA (196,000$), Mom's a nurse(?~75,000$), they break the 250,000$ barrier. EFC(for school) $18,000. Actual FC (jack shit.) And before you start pissing on me about crying over that, remember that I am not eligible for shit as far as fin aid is concerned.

>>4771753
your parents are fucking selfish douchebags, if they refuse to help their kids out at all when they could very easily give each of you the 20k without any real effect on their lives you should get a job, get legally emancipated and fuck them, just hope you dont need health insurance

>>4771536
Not accurate if you mean right out of college. Average over all Engineering majors is about $57k, and as above, that is skewed by the high COL areas, so take that into account. Petroleum Engineers were averaginf highest paid new grads at about $80k. Next closest was Chem E at about $65k, then ME EE and a few others all in the $50-$60k range. A few, like civil, were in the mid to upper $40s.

So just how much money does the average M.D. working in a hospital make?

>>4771797

Have you considered that maybe his parents aren't selfish and are merely encouraging him to be independent and not relying on handouts from mommy and daddy? People like you are the types responsible for bullshit like welfare.

>>4771815

200k+. You also have to factor in paying off enormous student debt at first and also paying huge malpractice insurance premiums. I believe though that working at a hospital you get lower salary than a private practice doc because the hospital pays your premiums

>>4771607
is he Scooby?

>>4771893

Well he is bald (and passed on dem shitty genes on to me) and works out a lot. But no I don't believe that he is that crazy about it lol

the idea that a degree of any type always and only procures a salary of another type is pretty retarded.

an average salary is just that- average

half of workers make more, some make far more
the other half make less, some make far less

a lot of factors go into how much you get paid, but with very few exceptions anyone making much more than average is a business manager or owner.

>>4771188
>>4771188

You probably won't respond here but any chance you have a throw away email or something I could reach you at? Really interested in getting to know what recruiters are looking for in different positions these days.

>>4770934
>>4770934
Funny how you mention information security. I have a couple questions about it. Are information security degrees all masters degrees? And if so, would EE be a viable undergraduate degree in preparation for it? Also what would the salary of someone with a masters in Information security be? Much appreciated.

How many years of experience are needed in order to get a job in management, this is with an undergraduate in engineering. Is there a way to get past the 100k mark with an engineering degree? Is penetration testing a viable field?

>>4771548
So if this is the case, why are some people making it seem like a 50k salary out of undergrad is impossible to get and an amazing salary?

>>4771797
luckily I'm covered under my moms insurance. until 23 at least.

>>4770275
>Implying a PhD in anything nets you even 100k starting.